Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Columbia Sportswear Second Quarter 2012 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ron Parham, Senior Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications for Columbia Sportswear. Thank you, Mr. Parham. You may begin.

Thanks, Bob, and thanks, everyone for joining us on today's call. Earlier this afternoon, we issued second quarter financial results and reaffirmed our full year 2012 outlook. In addition to the press release, we posted a detailed CFO commentary to our Investor Relations website, which we hope you've had a chance to review. With me today on the call are President and CEO, Tim Boyle; Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Tom Cusick; Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Bryan Timm; and Senior Vice President and General Counsel, Peter Bragdon. I'm going to ask our Chairman, Gert Boyle, to cover the Safe Harbor language.

Good afternoon. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements regarding Columbia's business opportunities and anticipated results of operation. Please bear in mind that forward-looking information is subject to many risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from what is projected. Many of these risks and uncertainties are described in Columbia's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2011 and subsequent filing with the SEC. Forward-looking statement in this conference call are based on our current expectations and beliefs, and we do not undertake any duty to update any of the forward-looking statements after the date of this conference call to conform with the forward-looking statements to actual results or change in our expectation.

Thanks, Gert. Now I'll turn the call over to Tim for a brief strategic overview, and then we'll devote a majority of the call to your questions.

Thanks, Ron. Welcome, everyone, and thanks for joining us this afternoon. As our press release and CFO commentary explained in greater detail, second quarter sales grew 8%, benefiting from earlier shipments of international distributors fall 2012 advanced orders, strong U.S. direct-to-consumer results and 10% growth in Japan, helping to offset lower wholesale revenues in the U.S., Europe and Canada. Our disciplined focus on managing expenses produced 430 basis points of SG&A leverage, more than offsetting a 135 basis point contraction in gross margin caused by the higher than prior year mix of sales to distributors, liquidation of excess inventory and higher input costs. Our second quarter net loss improved more than 40% from last year's comparable quarter and was ahead of our April outlook. However, continued macroeconomic uncertainty in many of our major markets leads us to maintain our previous expectations for full year 2012 sales to increase up to 1% and for operating margin to be comparable to 2011, including a $4 million restructuring charge recorded in the first quarter of 2012. As you're all aware, Columbia's business is very second half weighted and our profitability relies heavily on our ability to execute and deliver against customers' advanced orders during the third and fourth quarters. In that regard, we're entering the second half in a better position than in recent years, thanks to improved operational execution and supply-chain capabilities at our manufacturing partners that enabled us to receive a higher percentage of our fall 2012 production prior to June 30. In addition, we expect to liquidate the majority of our remaining excess fall 2011 inventory during the second half of the year, primarily through our own outlet stores. As a result, as we mentioned in our April conference call, we expect year-end inventory to be comparable to December 31,…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from line of Bob Drbul with Barclays.

It's Joan Payson for Bob today. In terms of, I guess, just starting out, maybe if you could talk about how the open device are looking in the back half, both in the U.S. and in Europe? And how your order book looks compared to those?

Certainly. Our retailers were cauterized by the warm winter in both of those markets, and I would include North America, really, in the discussion around the U.S.A. So I believe that our retailers, while they may have carried over some inventory, for the most part, they liquidated their inventories during last year's first quarter. So there's probably some opportunity for open-to-buy in the back half if weather cooperates, but we're certainly not having that expectation. We're going to be managing the business with the assumption that we'll have a winter, which may be frankly slightly closer to what last year was than a good winter weather.

Okay. And then in terms of your carryover inventory, maybe you could give an update on the composition there in terms of how current it is? And Footwear versus Apparel, and how that compares to what it looked like last quarter?

Sure. This is Tom. With regard to the composition of inventory, roughly 94% of our inventory is fall '11 or more recent through fall '12. And we expect to liquidate between 2/3 and 3/4 of that through our own outlet channel, consistent with a quarter ago. So really, inventory's played out, as we thought it would over the course of the last 90 days. And categorically, it's about 4:1, Apparel versus Footwear.

Our next question comes from line of Eric Tracy with Janney Capital Markets.

Maybe focusing on sort of Europe in particular. Looked like the EMEA region held up pretty nicely. But it sounds like there's a little bit of shift from 3Q into 2Q. Maybe talk a little bit about that. And then Tim, just in terms of the macro perspective, what you're seeing sort of relative to last call, in terms of any macro deterioration, if that's having any sort of impact beyond the weather issue in terms of orders.

Certainly. Well, I spent most of the last week -- the week before last in Europe and in Russia. And so I'm fairly current. I would say that the macro conditions are certainly impactful. I would say it's difficult to find an ambulant European retailer in the Western -- in Western Europe, that's for sure. Most are confident that the business will be there. But as we've talked about in the past, the bulk of the impact of our business is weather, rather than macro conditions. So when we have both the combination of poor winter weather, as we had in the 2011, '12, plus the macro conditions, it makes it more difficult. So I think our retailers will be more cautious in their future buying, and the expectation is that they're going to wait for either some catalyst from the weather or an improvement in the economic conditions, which I think we're going to see some weather before we see the macro conditions improve. As it relates to our other markets in Europe, most notably, Russia, I can tell you that our distributor there is very strong, continues to be a very strong performer, both financially and in terms of how they operate their business. And we're very pleased with the results there. So hopefully, that gets the most of your questions.

Absolutely. And then maybe, Tom, just for you, in terms of the guidance, or Tim for that matter, obviously a little bit of a shift from -- or more of a back-end loaded to 4Q expectation, both top-line and margin. Again, maybe walk us through that dynamic, particularly on the margin. It would appear to get to that year-end guidance reaffirmed. I think it probably is coming from G&A. Relative to some of the incremental investments that are coming through, where the expectation on leverage to get that, how that comes through?

Yes. Speaking specifically to the margin Q3 versus Q4, really the down margin in Q3 versus the up margin in Q4 is really a function of closeouts and promotional activity, being a bit of a drag in Q3 and being a -- basically, a tailwind in Q4, plus, we've got the channel mix benefit from retail in the fourth quarter. So that's really the margin story. And then with regard to SG&A, essentially flat in absolute dollar terms in the third quarter, down in the fourth. We've got a little bit of an easy comp in Q4, relative to -- obviously, we're getting some help in currency. We had an impairment charge in the fourth quarter of last year that is not there this year, so that helps.

And then maybe just in terms of the buckets of that SG&A, because I think, by my math, it probably is looking to me to improve close to 350, 400 basis points in 4Q. How much -- remind us how much about was that year-over-year? And then, because I think if you have the higher retail, should also be kind of higher SG&A in that quarter as well. So I'm just trying to get the puts and takes on that?

Yes, so on the Q4, really just stepping back and looking at SG&A for the year and then specifically to the fourth quarter. Basically, we've got our cost-reduction initiatives, plus currency basically helping on the SG&A, i.e. reducing SG&A. And then we've got the IT spend and the incremental retail stores coming online that are increasing SG&A. So those all basically nullify each other for the year. And then we've got the easy comp in Q4. That's probably the easiest way to look at it.

Our next question comes from the line of Liz Dunn with Macquarie.

I guess, my first question is, can you just discuss where you see yourself from a market share standpoint versus the competition for both Columbia and Sorel, and how you think that's changing and evolving? And -- because it looks like, in this tough year, you may have lost some share. So could you just address that? That's my first question.

Certainly. As it relates to Columbia, I mean, we're in a number of businesses and a number of geographies. So if we look at North America in the sportswear business, we're actually quite strong with the products in our PFG fishing gear line, really leading the market and especially in the southern part of the United States, where we have terrific positioning. We may have lost some share in rainwear this year, primarily to private label, with a few customers. And that's always a concern. We want to make sure that we've got significant market share with our major customers. But oftentimes private label concerns and focus take -- are difficult challenges for us. In Europe, we actually have a different competitor in every market. And I would say that there's puts and takes in both of those areas. But in general, based on the economic conditions in Europe, we're probably been more challenged there from a share perspective. In Russia, we have an extremely dominant market share and continuing to grow there and expand based on the strength of our distribution agreement with Sportmaster stores. As it relates to Asia, we've been growing nicely in Korea. We believe that, that market, even though it's slowing a bit will continue to be an area where we maybe not gain share, but certainly maintain our position. In Japan, we have a very strong position. We've been operating in that market since the early '70s and continue to be strong there, and in fact, had a great quarter there, where we have a very strong management team. In China, where the company's got a great distribution agreement with Swire group, we've had just terrific business there and continue to take market share and grow even a bit faster than the market. Sorel, I guess, probably are -- we have really 2 competitors in a -- at the macro level in the men's footwear business, where we have a very functional product, we have many competitors, mostly private label. But I think the brand is so premium in the men's area that the entire business has been smaller, as it relates to winter footwear based on the weather. And I think we probably got market share equality. I don't think we've gain anything, I don't think we've lost anything. In terms of women's though, we've historically, over the last several years, been focusing on that part of the business for Sorel. And there, absent last year, we've gained nicely against the competition.

Do you think that the fashion trends in place that are sort of supporting your growth in women's remain for 2012? And to what extent, if weather is a little bit colder than you anticipate, can you exceed expectations in the fourth quarter?

Well, we've given you the -- our best anticipation for Q4. But certainly, the women's Sorel product, and for that matter, the men's is very responsive to weather. So our anticipation -- our plans are not for an extremely cold winter weather.

But do you have the ability to chase if it comes to -- like if it happens, if it is cold?

Well, we will probably sell more merchandise, but the big delta would be in the gross margin, not in the top line. And if we run out of merchandise, we will have a lot of champagne flowing around here.

Our next question comes from line of Andrew Burns with D.A. Davidson.

First question, just on the Footwear, down 1% by category, but Sorel was down 22%. Could you talk about the growth outside of Sorel that led to that? And you said just the timing of shipments, so much as the overall business, or is there a product story to be told about the Columbia Footwear?

Certainly. Well, we always have to remind our investors that Q2 is one of the smallest quarters of the company, and so any particular change gets magnified. But I would say that our Columbia Footwear business, in spring, has certainly been led by the Drain series, the Drainmaker and other parts of the business there, which have been recently launched, and Sorel being just strictly, basically a winter weather business. We are attempting to become important in spring there, but we haven't been successful there yet, but -- so I would guess that the down 22% is just a result of our spring business -- excuse me, our winter business, sort of hangover from the lack of weather. And maybe Tom has some additional comments.

Yes, Andrew. Our Sorel business in Q2 was roughly $3 million and less than $4 million a year ago in Q2. So the 22% is really just on a very, very small base of business, roughly 1% of the quarter's sales.

Right. Okay. And I have a question in terms of exiting the year in your SG&A, the cost rationalization that you did. Should trends reaccelerate in 2013, as we all hope for, is there going to be a required reinvestment in terms of some of the headcount reduction? Just wondering if that reinvestment period might be required to get where you need to be to facilitate growth?

Well, I think -- hopefully, we've improved our efficiency levels at the same time that we've made reductions in headcount and other costs, so that we will be able to operate the business more efficiently. So I would not expect a significant reinvestment based on top line growth.

Our next question comes from the line of Reed Anderson with Northland Securities.

Couple of questions. I want to focus first on the direct business. When you think about -- I think it was about 24% growth year-over-year, how does that -- what are the kind of contributors there? Is it more just unit growth? Is it productivity of your stores? Is it online? Can you just give us a sense of kind of the buckets that contributed to get you to that kind of number?

Yes, Reed. This is Tom. Comp store growth rates drive the majority of that growth rate coupled with the additional stores that have come online year-over-year. And then thirdly, increase in price. So all 3 of those are the major drivers for that growth.

And where are we from a store growth -- unit growth perspective in -- whether it's 2Q-over-2Q last year? I mean, what would that look like at the end of the year?

In terms of store count or in terms of unit volume?

I'm -- I was -- my question was on store count, but we can do it either way.

Yes. So as it relates to store count, we are -- we'll increase our outlet stores in the U.S. by 12 this year, of which, 8 of those are in the back half, 4 in Q3 and 4 in Q4. And then if we look at Japan and Korea, we'll add 17 and 15 storefronts, and those are a combination of outlets and shop-and-shop, both company owned and franchised.

All right. And so what is the outlet store count, end of the year? What's the total number you'd be at then?

At 55 in the U.S. Seven in Europe and one in Canada.

Okay. And so -- all right. And so if we get through this year then, is that -- that's really been kind of a core part of what's been helping to offset some softness in other areas. I mean, I'm assuming we're not. There's no sense to slow the progress there. I mean, is there any reason to think you wouldn't continue to add outlets next year? Or is that something that needs to be evaluated after this -- the next couple of quarters?

Yes. I think, Reed, we're constantly evaluating how the stores are performing. And we want to make sure that they do not impact our wholesale business. So we want to have the right amount for how we predict the business. They do seem to be running quite well, so it's -- that's encouraging. But we'll probably be making more decisions as it relates to outlet stores and certainly where they are over the next year or so.

And is the majority of what's going through there -- is it pure closeout, or is a lot of it sort of -- is there more of a bigger portion than I would think for -- thats sort of cut for the channel?

Well, we've been using them for the last several years, really, to focus on liquidating excess inventories, but when there is a component, that's built for the stores.

Okay, very good. And then -- and Tom, I think you've given us the past. Where are we just in terms of the total mix of revenue that is now really concentrated in your direct business or your own retail, however, you want to look at it?

Yes. We're planning that number to be roughly 29% of the total business for 2012.

And what was it last year? Can you remind me?

Yes. That compares to about 25% in 2011.

That's very helpful. And then Tim, I was very curious. I mean, I liked your comments on the Omni-Freeze line for spring and kind of the good feedback you gained there. I'm just curious, kind of the scope of that launch, sometimes in the past, you maybe have come with your newer technology in your stores or online and then kind of worked it out to your key distribution. Just some thoughts on kind of the breadth or scope of what that might look like versus what you've done in the past?

Yes, Reed, we're in the process of really analyzing it now to see how big it should be. We want to have it be appropriate for the size of the launch. However, this technology is so different and so differentiating from our competitors that we think we may have an opportunity here to really make a significant impact in our spring business. But we just -- we're in the process of analyzing. And just the bulk of that, the results will be '13. We really haven't talked about '13. And we'll have more information I would think on our next call about specific launch strategies around the marketing of the product. But it looks very appealing for us, in terms of a significant investment here. We just have to wait until it plays out.

Our next question comes from line of Christian Buss with Credit Suisse.

This is actually Darla Shay, in for Christian. I was wondering if you would be able to quantify the impact of the earlier shipments from 3Q into 2Q?

Yes. It's roughly the same number that it was in spring '12 that we shipped in December in the double-digit millions of dollars.

Okay, great. And then if you'd be able to comment sort on the core underlying demand for wholesale for the quarter, if you exclude the time in shipments?

You're talking about North America or Europe or ...

If you could maybe speak to the different geographies.

Okay. Well, again, the bulk of Q2 sales are just finishing up our spring business in North America and Europe and beginning our shipments of fall. So the bulk of the fall shipments really start in the third quarter. So it's whatever demand happens to be prepared and ready for Q2 shipments. But I would say that they're basically on par with last year, in terms of our winter fulfillment -- sorry, fulfillment of fall product in Q2 for the wholesale channel. Our expectations are when we've concluded our wholesale shipping for the year -- looking back on the early part of Q3, the demand is going to be reflective of the poor winter weather we had last year and the reduced demand.

Okay, great. And then, also, if you'd be able to provide a status update on some of the IT systems that you're implementing. When should you see a benefit? And then also if you'd be able to quantify?

Yes, this is Bryan. In terms of what I mentioned on the -- last time we talked was that we went live with our pilot on the SAP implementation back in the second quarter in one of our smaller geographies from a direct business perspective in Canada. So that implementation went well for us. We continue to optimize a lot of our business processes in that region and carry those into our blueprint for our U.S. rollout, which is currently underway. So I think it's a little bit early. We expect to implement in the U.S. sometime in 2013. But I think it's a little bit early, in terms of timing and everything to talk about and quantify some of the returns of the business.

Our next question comes from line of Kate McShane with Citi Research.

It's encouraging to hear that your outlook on the top line is staying the same, especially in light of what seems to be a more difficult U.S. economic environment, as we start to embark on the back half of the year. And I just wondered if you had seen any change in the composition of orders. As a result, have some retailers canceled orders and have other retailers ordered more? Have you heard an overall more cautious tone in the conversation with retailers on the back half?

No. It's -- so we've been taking orders for fall merchandise. I mean, we really concluded that for all intents and purposes in March and April, where it finally winds down. But there's been no change of any significance either way, frankly. Retailers are just beginning to accept shipments for fall to start loading their shelves. But we all have -- hope spring's eternal, in terms of the weather, so -- but we haven't seen any major change at all.

Okay, great. I mean, can you remind us if there's any change in the mix of orders for your order book for winter, in terms of is it skewing more towards sportswear fleece? Or is still a comparable amount of outerwear and sportswear that you're shipping to your core customers? And how much is the Omni-Heat product going to be as a percentage of the SKUs this upcoming winter?

Okay. Well, the biggest category of merchandise that was impacted by the cooler weather last year was really, obviously, outerwear, but importantly more footwear. Both the Sorel brand and the Columbia brand were fairly significantly involved in terms of reducing the demand there. I think our -- the rest of our business would probably be on par with sportswear and apparel. Fleece businesses were fine. And in terms of the Omni-Heat percentage penetration, I know there was an impact on our accessory business based on the weather, but I think the rest of the merchandise was really unimpacted. But I don't know that I have read my fingertips with the percentage of Omni-Heat in the mix for fall '12 .

Okay, great. And if I can ask one final question on inventories and the selling of inventory through your outlets. Can you just remind us on -- with this elevated amount of inventory in your own outlets, how that impacts margin in the second half?

Yes. So I would say when you look at the full price, closeout margin mix, it's not a whole lot of impact to the second half taken as a whole. But it is a drag in the third quarter, and it's actually helpful to margin in Q4.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from line of Robbie Ohmes with Banc of America.

One of the questions I had, I just wanted you to clarify on Sorel. Do you expect Sorel to be down year-over-year in the third and fourth quarter, and then we should see a return to growth in 2013? Did I get that right?

Yes, I think that's accurate.

And so Tim, the -- Sorel was having a big ramp up, and you got the warm winter. But is the -- when you say return to growth in 2013, is it -- do you think where -- is there work underway to get the momentum going in that business again, so that 2013 could be a big growth year? Or can you sort of just walk us through how to think about Sorel over the next 3 years here?

Certainly. Well, we haven't really stopped the progress on the lines development as a women's winter-protective brand. So we've continued to enhance those items that worked well last year. And so when buyers will begin looking at the Sorel line for fall '13, which would start, call it, in November sometime. They're going to be seeing -- in addition to this tried and true performers from a historical perspective, they're going to see a number of new initiatives, many of which in sneak previews that we've done with -- our buyers have been very pleased. So even though we had this hiccup, as it relates to the weather, both in the U.S. and more importantly in Europe, we really continued to focus on the investment there from a design perspective. So the expectation is that we're going to see continued growth with that brand, especially in the women's area.

And the other question I have, so Omni-Freeze ZERO, I know it's early, and you haven't -- you don't have the whole plan set up yet. But what channels of distribution do you foresee being the most excited in doing the most with this launch? Is it specialty running product? Is it going to shelter in the department stores? Is it more of a Dick's Sporting Goods sort of presentation? Any thoughts on that would be great.

Well, the focus for us in this launch will be on those customers that we -- have great acceptance in our summer product -- spring and summer product, which is sporting goods, specialty outdoor channel, and then, frankly, heavy investment in our southern tier fishing accounts. So those are the areas where we will -- we'd be most successful initially. The product is so dramatically different and so frankly interesting to more active customers that we've shown. And that would include running specialty, athletic specialty and even some golf people. But there's certainly an opportunity for us there. But initially, the successes will be in those, in our first channel -- that would be the sporting goods and specialty outdoor and fishing. We're not going to be focusing on department stores with this product. We're going to -- much as we focused our business in Omni-Heat at those higher level, more brand-enhancing points of distribution, that's where we're going to be concentrating our time and effort.

Our next question comes from line of Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital Markets.

If we take a -- let's say, a 15,000-foot level view of the business, you have made improvements to your product line in a number of different areas, both Apparel, Footwear and across the brands over the last few years. And with that in mind, where would you say that you were weakest today and that you need to extend further efforts and dollars to improve your offering?

Well, I think, frankly, our -- thank you for the compliments on improving our business as it related to product and -- because that's been an area where we've had an enormous focus. And we talk a lot about this pipeline of innovation that we have going out through 2015, with lots of interesting stuff happening. I think, certainly, in Europe, our business there could be improved through a combination of perhaps tweaking of the product to be more Europe sensitive, but also -- and this would apply across the board. I think the company could benefit from additional marketing dollars. And we talk a lot about it internally. Where are those dollars are going to come from, we have to be able to grow the company's gross profit margin to give us more money for marketing and more money for operating margin. So when I look at the business from that level, from the high level, I think we just need to tell people about the company's products in a louder voice.

And given, I guess, the greedy shareholder perspective that I would come from, how do you balance the dollars spent versus the rewards, so it ends up being a net positive to the bottom line?

Well, in terms of marketing efforts, when we work marketing through the electronic media, there's a there's a lot greater science involved, in terms of efficient use of marketing dollars in those environments. It becomes more difficult when we're talking about traditional print media or traditional television media to the kind of measurement that makes all shareholders comfortable with the spend. And we have been focusing more of our investment in that electronic market where we can actually measure the results.

And then circling back to product if we could for a moment. What areas within your product do you feel like you still have more work to do to get to the level that you would like to be with whatever area it is that you're going to direct your answer?

Okay. Well, Footwear is probably the area where the company has an enormous opportunity and one that we continue to focus on, in terms of our designs and merchandising efforts. And we've seen great results, especially in the Sorel brand, as it relates to growth. But we're seeing great results in Columbia's Drain products, as an example as well. But that's an area where we could improve. And the folks that are managing that part of the business are doing a great job and continue to improve. So that's an area where we're focusing. And our women's apparel product can also improve as well. So those are 2 areas where I think -- continue to invest in people would be highly rewarded.

Our next question comes from line of Camilo Lyon with Canaccord Genuity.

I was hoping you could discuss how the progress is with respect to reducing some of your distribution that you've talked earlier about, focusing more on the specialty channel and on sporting goods channels. And I want to -- and clearly, your product is becoming more technical. So I was just curious to see what you have to say as to the updates around constricting some of that distribution, particularly in the department store channel?

Well, the department store channel is a terrific vehicle for the company that have its products exposed to a lot of consumers, and we have terrific partners in department stores. But some of the more technical areas as we talked about the Omni-Freeze ZERO that's going to require some salesmanship and some explanation, I guess, to be better to the consumer, so that they have an understanding of how the product works and why they should buy it. And that really demands that, that product be sold in a specialty store, where there's a higher percentage of sales help that can be impactful. So again, as we mentioned earlier on the call, we're going to be concentrating our efforts on the launch of Omni-Freeze ZERO, with those specialty customers. And unfortunately, that's where the product will have to be placed for spring to be successful, so it won't be in department stores.

Got it. Is there an effort at all to reduce some of the SKU representation in the department store channel? Or are you -- content with where it is right now?

No. I think we have the right mix today in department store sales. And so I think we're comfortable with it there. We'd like to increase the volume. We do, obviously, in specialty and in sporting goods operations. And, frankly, it'll be -- in order to do that, we'll have to have the kinds of impactful products like Omni-Freeze ZERO, which will really get us noticed and get us additional business there.

Great. And then just on Sorel. Obviously, it was a tough winter for everybody, but the brand before that definitely had strong momentum. I'm wondering what are the conversations like that you're having now with domestic wholesalers, with your domestic retail accounts rather -- and how are they responding to the brand and how are they thinking about kind of the evolution of what that brand can be for them, particularly as probably one of the chief competitors to one of the mainstays in that kind of a fashion winter weather boot category?

Well, as I said, in the process of developing our spring -- sorry, fall '13 line, we've had sneak previews with our best winter footwear customers, and those that really lead the charge, in terms of how fashion is developed. And in addition to the improvements and enhancements we've made to our more signature products, the newer products in Sorel that they've seen make us very encouraged, in terms of the folks that we have running that part of the business and the products that we've got planned for fall '13. So with any weather at all, we're going to be lucky to help us -- get us back on track and -- but at the end of the day , it's going to be the uptake on these new products and the enhancements to the older products that'll really -- will prove our success.

And do those customers -- those retail customers include independents? Or is it predominantly the department store channel?

No, no, they include a mix of independent fashion stores and department stores and others. So we're pretty excited about what we've got coming up for fall for Sorel.

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for closing comments.

Well, thank you, all, for listening in. We're looking forward to talking to you at the end of third quarter to discuss the performance of the company at that time. Thank you.

This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.