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Cohen & Steers, Inc. (CNS)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 23, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cohen & Steers' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Thursday, January 23rd, 2020. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Heller, Senior Vice President and Corporate Counsel of Cohen and Steers. Please go ahead.

Brian Heller

Analyst

Thank you and welcome to the Cohen & Steers' fourth quarter and full year 2020 conference call. Joining me are our Chief Executive Officer, Bob Steers; our President, Joe Harvey; and our Chief Financial Officer, Matt Stadler. I want to remind you that some of our comments and answers to your questions may include forward-looking statements. We believe these statements are reasonable based on information currently available to us, but actual outcomes could differ materially due to a number of factors including those described in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. We assume no duty to update any forward-looking statements. Furthermore, none of our statements constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy to securities of any fund. Our presentation also contains non-GAP financial measures that we believe are meaningful in evaluating our performance. These non-GAAP financial measures should be read in conjunction with our GAAP results. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release and presentation to the extent reasonably available. The earnings release and presentation as well as links to our SEC filings are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cohenandsteers.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt.

Matt Stadler

Analyst

Thanks, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining today. My remarks this morning will focus on our as-adjusted results. A reconciliation of GAAP to as-adjusted results can be found on Pages 19 and 20 of the earnings release or on Slide 16 and 17 of the earnings presentation. Yesterday, we reported earnings of $0.74 per share compared with $0.56 in the prior year's quarter and $0.65 sequentially. The fourth quarter of 2019 included cumulative adjustments to lower compensation and benefits and to increase income taxes. Revenue was a record $109.8 million for the quarter compared with $93.6 million in the prior year's quarter and $104.9 million sequentially. The increase in revenue from the third quarter was primarily attributable to higher average assets under management. Average assets under management were a record $71 billion compared with $60.8 billion in the prior year's quarter and $68.6 billion sequentially. Our effective fee rate was 56.5 basis points for the fourth quarter compared with 55.9 basis points last quarter. The increase was primarily due to the recognition of performance fees which was crystallized during the fourth quarter. Operating income was a record $47.4 million in the quarter compared with $34.5 million in the prior year's quarter and $40.7 million sequentially. Our operating margin increased to 43.1% from 38.8% last quarter, primarily due to lower compensation and benefits, when compared to revenue. Expenses decreased 2.6% on a sequential basis, primarily due to lower compensation and benefits, partially offset by higher G&A. The compensation to revenue ratio for the fourth quarter was 31.54% lower than guidance we provided on our last call. The decrease in the ratio was primarily due to the deferral of certain open positions into 2020 higher fourth quarter revenue growth than we had projected and an adjustment to reflect actual incentive…

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Thank you, Matt and good morning. This morning I will address our investment performance and talk about our vision for sustaining investment excellence. For most of 2019 several of our asset classes led markets due to just rights goldilocks conditions of slow but positive economic growth, low interest rates and favorable credit spreads. The macroeconomic environment began to shift in the fourth quarter as monetary easing by central banks globally along with the increasing likelihood of a China trade deal bolstered expectations for improving global growth. While our asset classes performed solidly in the fourth quarter, they lagged higher beta segments of the market such as tech as well as the S&P 500 which returned 9% on the powerful macro upturn. Among our asset classes resource equities and commodities performed best in the quarter anticipating the upturn in growth and global and international strategies outperformed U.S. strategies. Looking at the combination of both absolute returns and our relative performance 2019 was one of our best performance years I can remember. This reflects the favorable environment that I just described plus strong execution by our investment teams. In the fourth quarter, seven of our nine core strategies outperformed their benchmarks. For the past year, eight of nine core strategies outperformed. We produce some terrific alpha for the full year well in excess of our targets. U.S. real estate exceeded its benchmark by 610 basis points, global and international real estate exceeded each by over 400 basis points, resource equities exceeded by 570 basis points and low duration preferreds exceeded by 650 basis points. The one strategy that underperformed for the full year was midstream energy which fell short of its benchmark by 160 basis points. Measured by AUM, 96% of our portfolios are outperforming on a one year basis, 97% are…

Bob Steers

Analyst

Thanks Joe, and good morning. Last year was characterized by the powerful one-two punch of macro tailwinds for real assets and alternative income strategies, and income and industry leading investment performance. Asset flows and investment returns were strong from the start of the year and only got better as the year progressed. Steady economic growth accompanied by low inflation and interest rates presented the optimal environment for both the investing and gathering of assets in our strategies. The numbers tell the story. For the year, net inflows were $3.7 billion for a 6.5% organic growth rate, driven by record gross flows of $16.5 billion. The wealth channel led the way setting records in both the quarter and for the full year and ended with peak momentum. Last year also benefited from the emergence of three recent growth initiatives, EMEA advisory, DCIO and Japan Institutional. All three key channels delivered significant asset growth last year. With the realignment of the subadvisory channel complete after the termination of multiple non-strategic relationships, we are now poised for future growth. Another trend last year was the steady rebound in the Japanese subadvisory flows, which ended the year net positive including distributions in the fourth quarter. Lastly, although, the advisory channel did post positive net flows last year, the results in the U.S. were well below our expectations and we're taking action to regain our momentum in this important marketplace. As I said the wealth channel set multiple records in the quarter and for the year. Net inflows of $4.7 billion for the year exceeded the previous record of $3.2 billion by almost 50%. Gross inflows increased 39% to $12.5 billion despite the soft close of our largest U.S. REIT fund and redemptions declined to $7.7 billion down from $9.4 billion in the prior year.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Mike Carrier with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Mike Carrier

Analyst

Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. Maybe, first one, just on -- Joe, I think you were talking about just allocation trends. And then, I think, you guys gave some color around flows. You were also talking about rebalancing. I guess, just curious, given the strength of the performance, the strength of the asset classes, how do you think about like those two when you think about going forward? Flows and like client trends, meaning increasing allocations to some of the asset classes. I mean, you guys are winning the business versus rebalancing, just given the great performance that you guys have had, as well as some of the asset classes.

Joe Harvey

Analyst

This is Joe. Yes, that's a tough question to answer, because it's all market dependent. But based on the strength, particularly, in real estate securities, last year we saw some clients take the allocations down a little bit. I wouldn't say it was significant. If our asset classes continue to perform well, we'll see a little bit of that. But, I guess, what I was trying to say in my comments is that, when you look at the macro backdrop and you really think about the low interest rate environment that we have and that we're well into a cycle, there aren't too many asset classes that are dislocated. There's going to be a lot of pressure to generate the portfolio results that I talked about, whether it's returns or income or diversification. So, I think, that provides a real strong tailwind for the things that we do. And one dynamic, as it relates to the real estate that we talked about on these calls, is that the low return environment also exists in the private markets. So, when you look at what we do relative to allocations size-wise in the private markets, we can be a big beneficiary of structural changes that are taking place there. And I've talked in the past about how investors don't want to lock themselves up at low returns late in the cycle, or they don't want to allocate more to retail real estate. All of those trends are pushing some very major asset owners increasingly into the public markets. Then on infrastructure, we've got the dynamic where it's tough to find private assets, so that money has been spilling over into the listed markets. So, I think, we have a lot of tailwinds. Clearly, market is regime dependent. But as both Bob and I have laid out, we're pretty positive about the demand for what we do.

Mike Carrier

Analyst

Got it. That makes sense. And then, maybe, just as a follow-up. Just on some of the product comments that you had in terms of innovation. Just trying to get a sense -- yes, I think you mentioned the real asset debt, your strategy around that, some thematic areas. When you think about, like, making those decisions on these new products, I'm assuming you're seeing the demand by the clients. And you mentioned, they're somewhat similar to what Cohen & Steers has from a product and just like a skill set. When you think about the sizing maybe of those markets the opportunity relative to how well you guys have done in real estate or the preferred strategy. I don't know if there's a way -- I know these things can take many years to play out, but just trying to get a sense of why those strategies and what's that kind of market opportunity that you guys think is possible?

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Well real assets are our large asset classes. But again, it's tough to quantify as you say. When you think back about -- to our preferred strategy, when we started it 14 years ago, it wasn't considered to be an asset class. And frankly in some circles, it's not considered to be an asset class today, but we've done a substantial business in an area where we saw an opportunity to create alpha in an inefficient market. And slow and steady has created a very big business. So when we think about a broader real asset suite, particularly with the needs for income, we think there are some pretty exciting ways to -- if we had capabilities like real asset debt to mix and match that with our equity real asset strategies and create a range of product strategies that could be multi-strategy or across capital structure. And we have those types of mandates already. They're not significant parts of our business, but we see the demand for strategies like that. And if we can create these capabilities, it's just going to broaden our appeal to not all investors, but a wider range of investors.

Mike Carrier

Analyst

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of John Dunn with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.

John Dunn

Analyst

Good morning, guys. I wanted to ask about the retail funds. Now that CSI is closed and we're four months away from CSR lowering the expense ratio and new share classes. Maybe just talk a little bit about what the early innings of that kind of pivot you guys are seeing?

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Thanks for the question John. We're seeing very good take up. We were pleased that the transition in September from a soft closed. And obviously we have been working on repositioning both CSR and our institutional fund in anticipation of the soft close. And fortunately, they're all four or five star funds. We got the share classes and expense ratios realigned appropriately. And also our national accounts team did an extraordinary job making sure that CSR was recommended on the right models and platforms, just as the CSI the soft-closed fund was. So I would say that the transition was seamless, the take-up is accelerating and we couldn't be more pleased with how this process has been transitioning.

John Dunn

Analyst

Got you. And then just a question on the infrastructure segment. We had like six -- six of the last eight quarters have been out-flowing and you have the push and pull of the low rate environment versus growing secular allocations. What's the outlook for infrastructure and what could get it cooking better?

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Well, it's a tough question to answer, because there isn't just one infrastructure strategy for example. So, as you're probably aware midstream energy has had a real tough go of it for a while now. And so certain segments of that marketplace have lagged. Look I think for infrastructure to pick up both absolute and relative performance needs to improve. I think, as Joe mentioned, the stars are in alignment for real asset allocations including infrastructure to go up meaningfully over the coming year and years, because they are great diversifiers. They are unique sources of income. And so we do anticipate allocations to going up. And we have to compete. We have two or three excellent competitors just as we do in real estate. And we have to maintain or improve performance. And again, I think the market demand is not as robust for anybody as REITs and preferreds, but there is demand and we do anticipate that it's going to accelerate.

John Dunn

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Robert Lee

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Thanks for taking my question. Just maybe I'd like to dig in a little bit more in Japan sub-advisory. I mean, certainly you've seen a dramatic improvement in momentum there. But could you maybe flush out a little bit of what do you feel like has changed about the marketplace that maybe this cycle could hopefully make it more sustainable and maybe drill into some of the more specifics of the products that are being marketed there?

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Sure. Well, again, as I think everyone knows the Japanese retail market is notoriously unpredictable. So, talking about sustained trends is a tough -- is a tall order. But following industry-wide dividend cuts a year or two years ago that effect has begun to wane for a number of U.S. REIT funds in particular, in the marketplace. We have fared better than most, because our performance is just a whole standard deviation above our competitors. The demand for income continues. Some of the previously hot new fund launches in that marketplace which were focused on technology, AI, robotics things like that, kind of fizzled. And without a lot of pizzazz in the market I think investors just come back to REITS which have great absolute returns, great income and our product is -- stands out in the marketplace. Going forward, -- I might add one other thing. Our best-selling fund is distributed primarily not by wirehouses but by regional banks. And so those flows have been and continue to be more sustainable, than those managers whose funds are distributed by securities firms. Going forward, there is interest some new partners, on new products. Joe had spoken about earlier more broadly next-generation real estate which is portfolios focused on e-commerce and related sort of new -- next-generation real estate. There's strong interest in that and other concepts. And we are hopeful that we'll be able to talk specifically in the very near future about new product offerings such as that, with new and substantial distribution partners that are incremental to our existing relationship lineup.

Robert Lee

Analyst

Great and just really quick -- and I apologize if I missed it. Did you quantify what the current, unfunded backlog is?

Joe Harvey

Analyst

It's about $700 million.

Robert Lee

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking my questions.

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Bob Steers to continue with the presentation or closing remarks.

Bob Steers

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you all for joining us this morning, and for your questions and we look forward to reconnecting next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you all for your participation. And we ask that you disconnect your lines. Thank you. And have a great day.