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Cohen & Steers, Inc. (CNS)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 16, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Cohen & Steers’ Third Quarter 2014 Financial Results Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Thursday, October 16, 2014. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Adam Johnson, Senior Vice President and Associate General Counsel. Please go ahead, sir.

Adam Johnson

Management

Thank you and welcome to the Cohen & Steers’ third quarter 2014 earnings conference call. Joining me are Chief Executive Officer, Bob Steers; Executive Chairman, Marty Cohen; our President, Joe Harvey; and our Chief Financial Officer, Matt Stadler. Before I turn the call over to Matt, I want to point out that during the course of this conference call we may make a number of forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in these statements. We believe that some of these factors are described in the Risk Factors section of our 2013 Form 10-K, which is available on our website at cohenandsteers.com. I want to remind you that the company assumes no duty to update any forward-looking statements. Also, the presentation we make today contains pro forma or non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are meaningful in evaluating the company’s performance. For disclosures on these pro forma metrics and their GAAP reconciliations, you should refer to the financial data contained within the press release we issued yesterday as well as in our previous earnings releases, each available on our website. Finally, this presentation may contain information with respect to the investment performance of certain of our funds and strategies. I want to remind you that past performance is not a guarantee of future performance. This presentation may also contain information about funds that have filed registration statements with the SEC that have not yet become effective. This communication does not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of any offer to buy these securities. For more complete information about these funds, including charges, expenses and risks, please call 1800-330-7348 for our prospectus. With that, I will turn the call over to Matt.

Matt Stadler

Management

Thank you, Adam. Good morning, everyone and thanks for joining us today. Yesterday, we reported net income of $0.40 per share compared with $0.41 in the prior year and $0.49 sequentially. Operating income per share was $0.45 for the quarter compared with $0.38 in the prior year and $0.43 sequentially. Revenue for the quarter was a record $80.8 million compared with $74 million in the prior year, and $78.4 million sequentially. The increase in revenue from the prior year’s quarter was attributable to higher average assets under management resulting from market appreciation and net inflows into open-end mutual funds partially offset by net outflows from institutional accounts with sub-advisory accounts contributing the majority of the outflows. Average assets under management for the quarter were a record $51.6 billion compared with $47 billion in the prior year and $50.7 billion sequentially. Our effective fee rate for the quarter was 57.8 basis points, in line with last quarter. Operating income was $32.3 million compared with $27.7 million in the prior year, and $29.7 million sequentially. Our operating margin increased to 40% from 37.8% last quarter. The increase was primarily due to lower G&A and distribution costs. Pre-tax income net of non-controlling interest was $28.9 million for the quarter compared with $29.5 million in the prior year, and $33.9 million sequentially. As a reminder, non-controlling interest represents third-party interests in the funds we have consolidated. Assets under management totaled $49.7 billion at September 30, a decrease of $2.6 billion or 5% from June 30. The decrease in assets under management was attributable to market depreciation of $1.6 billion and net outflows of $966 million. At September 30, our U.S. real estate strategy comprised 53% of the total assets we managed followed by global and international real estate at 20%, preferred securities at 12%,…

Bob Steers

Management

Thanks Matt and good morning everyone. Last quarter was characterized by rapidly shifting expectations for U.S. and global growth rates and Fed’s policy all of which impacted markets and fund flows. The quarter began with rising estimates for U.S. GDP growth and corporate profits. It seemed the only question was whether the Fed would tighten in March or June of next year, which of course pushed rates higher. However, multiple factors including fears of Europe slide into recession, slowing growth in Asia, a strengthening dollar, and declining energy prices have all brought into question the strength of the U.S. economy and whether the Fed will tighten at all next year. Given this backdrop, the performance of our core investment strategies was mixed on an absolute basis, but strong relative to their respective benchmarks. While U.S. and global real estate, global infrastructure and commodities all delivered negative returns, our large cap value preferred securities and MLP strategies generated positive results. On a relative basis, 8 out of 9 strategies were roughly in line with or ahead of their benchmarks in the quarter and all 9 are beating their benchmarks for year-to-date and the latest 12-month period. Wealth management net flows were $103 million compared to $515 million and $104 million in the second and first quarters respectively. Several factors account for the slowdown in wealth management inflows. In addition to the macro headwinds during the quarter, we elected not to hold any real asset institutes during the summer season. Furthermore, there was a $128 million platform partial rebalance out of our U.S. REIT strategy. All of that said we were pleased that 7 of the 9 actively marketed funds had inflows led by our multi-strategy real assets fund. The growing diversity of our wealth management flows is important and a direct…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from the line of Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead with your question.

Adam Beatty - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Firstly, just an update on, I guess, over the classic or legacy sub-advised real estate strategies distributed in Japan through Daiwa and others, I guess for a while that was pretty big focus, and it sounds like net of the large cap value redemption, flows there have kind of reached a plateau or stabilized somewhat, but just we would like some color on the activity you are seeing there?

Bob Steers

Management

Sure. Yes. There are a number of initiatives underway both with Daiwa and with other partners there. In addition to the new product launch, the REIT preferred fund with Daiwa, they also have launched several sales and marketing initiatives to support their existing REIT funds. So, we are seeing an improvement in flows with regard to the existing funds, and we are seeing meaningful flows into the new vehicles that they are launching. And then of course we have the two new funds with Nomura and Kokusai Mitsubishi UFJ, both of which are off to a strong start.

Adam Beatty - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Thank you. And another question maybe on product in terms of the global listed infrastructure, which is obviously doing well and getting good flows. Are there funder strategies there that are reaching sort of critical scale in terms of being considered for institutional mandates or platforms, or are there some that are also reaching certain milestones in terms of a three year or five year track record that would perhaps generate some more activity?

Bob Steers

Management

Well, those are great questions. Just with respect to market acceptance we are seeing global listed infrastructure being widely embraced particularly in the institutional markets throughout the world. There is just very strong institutional demand for global listed infrastructure. I think the second part of your question I am going to ask Joe Harvey to address it because in large part I think there were some newer funds that are close to 3-year records and there are also existing funds whose 3-year records are poised to breakout and Joe wanted to add some color.

Joe Harvey

Analyst

Yes. Just little more color on the global infrastructure strategy, we have got a very long track record, a very strong track record in listed infrastructure. And it is as Bob said is being accepted institutionally and we are seeing that around the world. And we are starting to see more acceptance in the wealth management channel as well because infrastructure is being recognized as a core real asset allocation, and some of the largest wealth management firms have added it to their asset allocation lineups. So, we have an open-end fund for the global listed infrastructure strategy as well and we are also seeing some interest in other delivery vehicles such as unified managed accounts. Another subset of infrastructure is of course mass-limited partnerships. And as Bob mentioned, we launched at the end of last year an open-end mutual fund for MLPs. We have a 3-plus year track record in MLPs. That record is also very strong, and we are looking to commit more resources to our investment team so that we can be more competitive not just in the wealth management and open-end fund area, but also institutionally.

Adam Beatty - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Great, thank you for the color. That’s helpful. Just one final one, thanks for taking all my questions, in terms of I mean obviously the institutional backlog that you mentioned perhaps is not at the open-end mutual fund fee rate, but your fee rate has been sort of remarkably stable in terms of the sold backlog or the outlook for products being sold. How would you characterize the fee rate mix? Do you see that going up or down meaningfully or staying pretty stable?

Bob Steers

Management

Yes, it’s pretty stable to slightly higher, but it’s consistent with what we have been seeing in the sub-advised and the advised.

Adam Beatty - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Got it. Thanks very much. That’s all I have this morning.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Mac Sykes - Gabelli

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Okay. Congratulations on the initiatives in Japan, gentlemen. When we think about the potential for these three new funds, how should we think about the potential size for it, could it eclipse maybe the effort that you had a couple of years ago with the Daiwa REIT effort, where we saw ballooned assets come in pretty quickly. I was just trying to get some color on what we should be thinking about?

Bob Steers

Management

Well, we don’t even try to predict flows obviously. There are so many factors out of our control that would influence the outcomes, but all three funds are playing into an insatiable demand for yield in a marketplace that has none. The only suggestion I can give you is Nomura has had great success in marketing previously launched global listed infrastructure funds. The numbers there have been quite substantial. Past performance doesn’t predict future returns, but the market is sizable over there. And between REITs, preferreds, listed infrastructure, virtually everything we do plays into this shortage of yield that is perhaps most acute in Japan, but certainly exists here as well. And that’s the driver behind I think all of our fund flows.

Mac Sykes - Gabelli

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Okay. I mean, we have heard a lot about unconstrained products in the marketplace and there is certainly some overlap with some of your lineups in terms of the MLPs etcetera. Would you ever consider developing the fixed income component maybe expanding that way?

Joe Harvey

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

I am not sure I understand the question, this is Joe Harvey. Could you elaborate on that a bit?

Mac Sykes - Gabelli

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Yes. So, there certainly seemed to be an appetite for unconstrained products in the marketplace. We are seeing it with the recent Bill Gross moving to Janus and devaluing out that fund, and I guess some of the strategies that go into some of those products include MLPs and some other real asset strategies. I guess my question is in terms of addressing that potential appetite, would you ever consider bringing on fixed income sort of staff or building it out that way?

Bob Steers

Management

Well and as you know we have a very large preferred securities investment team and we have that because we feel it’s an area that is very research intensive and inefficient and one that we can add a lot of value to. In the broader fixed income areas we are – it’s a very competitive world and we are just not that interested in creating more core style box type strategies where we are going to compete with a lot of asset managers and compete with index strategies. So if there is an extension to our preferred effort in the fixed income area that’s where we believe we can meet the criteria of delivering value in an inefficient market and doing so in a – where we have some competitive advantages that would be of interest but we don’t have any current plans right now to extend fixed income capabilities. As it relates to kind of go anywhere type strategies, that clearly is a trend with our real assets multi-strategy fund it’s got an asset allocation overlay that we think is important and that the market wants. We have set that up to have some guardrails on the allocations so that the end clients know generally what we are going to deliver and but if – as our capabilities in asset allocation continue to improve and if the market is really in demand for something like that – that’s something that we would look at.

Mac Sykes - Gabelli

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Understood. And then on the capital front you had some history special dividends in the fourth quarter and third quarter, should we think of this year is being any different given some of the growth initiatives that you are working on?

Bob Steers

Management

Well, our approach is the same, every year we evaluate our earnings, our use of cash and capital and we make our regular dividend and essentially extra dividend decisions on that basis. So I would say the only thing that’s changed is that the amount of capital that is needed to seed funds, it’s higher. We have more funds to seed and the seed amounts have to be $25 million or higher, so we are being more aggressive in achieving our funds.

Mac Sykes - Gabelli

Analyst · Gabelli. Please go ahead with your question.

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Dunn with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead with your question. John Dunn - Sidoti & Company: Hi, how are you doing? My first question was on the sub-advisory just to follow-on, do you guys see anything any sizable sub-advisory relationships that kind of are in our watch list like the one that turned last quarter?

Bob Steers

Management

We don’t currently have any outsized relationships that we view at risk and certainly after the last quarter we are hopeful that the number of accounts at risk has substantially declined. And I think as a generalization we feel better going forward through the combination of three years of strong performance and virtually all of our strategies so some of the losses we had were hangovers from the period of poor performance which ended several years ago. And so I would say that the inventory of those performance related accounts that were at risk is substantially reduced. So the answer would be no, we don’t see any large sub-advisory accounts at risk. John Dunn - Sidoti & Company: Got it. And then on the advisory side, could you sort of generalize about what size mandates each mandate would be, what the sweet spot what you are going after?

Matt Stadler

Management

John, we generally don’t go mandate by mandate but I think Bob gave some broad categorizations to the strategies and we generally just give the pipeline in total. John Dunn - Sidoti & Company: Okay it’s fine.

Matt Stadler

Management

It’s pretty much mixed a little heavier on the sub-advised and the advised, but we never really give the color on the mandate by mandate basis. John Dunn - Sidoti & Company: Okay. And then lastly just on extensions taking a – looking ahead to 2015, is it sort of a run-rate we are going to be adding – continually investing via the real assets institute?

Bob Steers

Management

Well, I think we are going to continue to make investments in the institute. And as we said in our remarks, we have been seeing the results of that, but it’s kind of early to give 2015 guidance. We generally do that in the fourth quarter call. John Dunn - Sidoti & Company: Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Mr. Steers, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to you.

Bob Steers - Chief Executive Officer

Analyst

Great. Well, thanks again for joining us this morning and we look forward to speaking to you at the end of the third quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.