Conduent Incorporated (CNDT) Q2 2020 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good morning. Welcome to the Conduent Q2 2020 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask a question. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Alan Katz, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Conduent's second quarter 2020 earnings call. Joining me on today's call is Cliff Skelton, Conduent's CEO and Brian Walsh, Conduent's CFO. Following our prepared remarks, we will take your questions. This call is also being webcast. A copy of the slides used during this call was filed with the SEC this afternoon. Those slides as well as a detailed financial metrics sheet are available for download on the Investor Relations section of the Conduent website. We will also post a transcript later this week. During this call, Conduent executives may make comments that contain certain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that, by their nature, address matters that are in the future and are uncertain. These statements reflect management's current beliefs, assumptions and expectations as of today, August 6, 2020 and are subject to a number of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. Information concerning these factors is included in Conduent's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. We do not intend to update these forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments, except as required by law. The information presented today includes non-GAAP financial measures. Because these measures are not calculated in accordance with U.S. GAAP, they should be viewed in addition to and not as a substitute for the company's reported financial results prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. For more information regarding definitions of our non-GAAP measures and how we use them as well as limitations as to their usefulness for comparative purposes, please see our press release, which was issued this afternoon and was furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K. With that, I will now turn the call over to Cliff for his prepared remarks. Cliff?

Thanks Alan. Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the second quarter earnings call here at Conduent. I appreciate everybody joining today. This is my fifth earnings call since becoming CEO about a year ago. A lot sure has changed, certainly here at Conduent, but the course on the world stage. I hope everyone remains safe. I hope your families are doing well. Things are tough. I understand and I appreciative everybody showing up today. So thank you. So I would like start off first by acknowledging all the Conduent associates that have helped us make a lot of progress. COVID's been tough, as I said. And with the significance of it, our team has really done a great job and I appreciate all of. As you see on slide four, we had some great feedback from a lot of our associates and our clients and those are just some examples of some of those on our performance. The bottomline is, the fundamentals of the company are improving. It's really due to the hard work of our team. And as you are going to see today, the early returns say that that hard work is starting to pay off. And that's by both some of our new and our tenured associates, so really proud of those folks. Let me quickly go over the agenda and I will dive into the details later. We are going to discuss the high level financials from the quarter, as always. We will talk about our improved sales results. We will certainly touch on both the negative and offsetting impacts of COVID and we will go deep on transportation and our government businesses. After that, I will turn it over to Brian to run through a lot of the more detailed financials and our outlook for the third quarter. We are not going to give guidance for the year, but we are going to talk to you about what we expect in Q3. So we will go through that and then we will take questions at the end, as always. Now let's turn to slide five. Certainly with everything going on in the world, Q2 was a good quarter. I would say, Q2 was actually a really good quarter, especially as you compare it to what we thought of internally and what our external expectations were. Revenue and adjusted EBITDA, both came in higher. Revenue was just over $1 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $110 million. Now as I said, Brian is going to go through the details but I will give a brief overview of what happened in the quarter and where we did well, where we outperformed and certainly talk about the headwinds and the tailwinds associated with COVID. So let me talk about revenue first. In our transportation segment where we were a little worried, especially in the tolling business, we are showing ourselves to be a little more resilient than we had previously anticipated. While the stay at home orders did lead to lower volumes, we are actually seeing traffic increasing. As you can imagine that those increases vary state-by-state. And in fact, some states were at 90% of pre-COVID volumes and some much lower than that. Our government business performed really well in Q2, especially our government payment business. Clearly, that's due to unemployment and other subsidy volumes. So we have seen some real good volume there and we are looking forward to that continuing. As it relates to EBITDA, our cost and our efficiency efforts are working and it helped to show up our margins in Q2. Now back in Q1, we talked to you about a program where we were incrementally reducing $100 million of 2020 expenses. And the good news is, we expect to significantly surpass that for the year. The other good news is, 60% of those savings are permanent. So we see that effort, which is exceeding $100 million and Brian is going to talk about that, to help contribute to the jump off point for 2021, which is a really good thing. Regarding sales, it was a really strong quarter. I will go through the details on the next slide. But I will note that it was not only strong but the strongest quarter of new business signings since we spun to become a separate public company. Now we are always going to be focused intently on operations. We continue to be focused on both operations and quality. And we will talk about that here in a minute. Our technology performance continued to improve compared with last year. FEWER incidents in aggregate and improved operational stability are really helping with client retention which is helping with our reputation. Lastly, while have a lot of associates working from home, 75% of them, we have started a very slow and measured approach to bring some of those folks back to offices where it makes sense. Now we have got to be prudent, we will continue to be prudent and based on specific COVID conditions in certain geographies, we will pace it. The good news is, we can deliver as we are in a work in home environment in most cases and generally speaking we are maintaining those expected service levels with that large portion of our workforce still working from home. So given the current global situation, all-in-all, I am quite pleased with the quarter. But to be clear, we need consistency. We need to do this every quarter. And we need over time to show you that we can grow both top and bottom growth. And this company has not grown since it's spin. Our mission is to change that and we are changing it. And it's way too early to make declarations but we think Q2 is a good indication that with the right team and the right approach that mission of growth is achievable. Now let's turn to slide six. I want to talk about sales in a higher level of detail which obviously is critical to that long term growth expectation. As you know, with respect to sales in this business, revenue ramp on new business signings can last a while. It can last a year or two. And so we have got to see these strong sales continue because it's pivotal to both 2021 and 2022 growth. And add on business, the good news is that add-on business and retention contribute directly to near term revenue achievement. So as I a mentioned, we have the strongest new business TCV signings since the spin with $623 million of signings. That's 90% improvement year-over-year and 92% improvement over last quarter. Now, longer term deals drove some of that uptick and we experienced some of that some longer term deals another year in terms of the deal. But the good news is, we also experienced significant annual revenue increases due to these new signings. So we believe that if we keep the momentum going and continue to focus on retention due to that improved quality program we talked about previously and some improved account management, it really does bode well for us in the future. In the first half of 2020, we signed $947 million of new business. That's pretty strong. And that compares with $995 million all of 2019. So you might ask, well, why is that? And my view is, it's better process, it's a better sales and stronger sales team and stronger sales leadership. We have isolated the sales team and created a dedicated team. And we have also created a more selective approach to win the bid and when not to bid. That helps us with better win rates. So we are feeling pretty sanguine on what we think we can do for the year. Just to give you a little bit of color, we have included a couple of examples of wins on the slide including a new commercial client where we signed a deal with a leading healthcare company providing managed-care services. The good news out of that is, the deal leverages the HSP acquisition you might remember from 2019, thus validating that product in the marketplace. We also signed a big government deal with Michigan's Department of Health and Human Services where we are going to provide $1.3 billion in state child support benefits annually. So two big deals. And the finally, in the transportation business, we signed a new tolling contract where we are gong to be running Ohio's automated tolling system and really looking forward to getting started on that project. It's a big one and we are proud of getting over the goal line on that one. But as you know, it's not just about new business signings. We need to continue to see client retention and add-on metrics improve and we are seeing that. Our pipeline now is at $22 billion. So there is some improvement there. That provides some real runway. As always, that client confidence is going to be critical to our success. And quality goes hand in glove with that. And so we are continuing to focus on that to make sure we have better client confidence, better client reference ability. And we think with that, we have got, again, as I said, a good runway ahead of us. Now Q3. We don't know whether Q3 is going to replicate Q2. However, I can tell you that we will grow year-over-year in terms of sales growth in Q3. And importantly, we are committed to achieving that 160% 2019 sales performance this year that I talked to you about in earlier earnings calls. And we are halfway there for Q3 already against quota. So that's good news. And as mentioned, we are 60% of our way to our full year goal for the year. So again, we are very sanguine on sales, but we have got to keep the pedal down and that's what we are doing. With that, let's turn to slide seven for an update on COVID. As you might recall, in the Q1 call we discussed some impacts of COVID-19 on Q2. First, we said that there would be significant contraction in our transportation volumes as a real result of stay at home orders. We also said that there would be some impact to our commercial business, including the interest rate impact to BenefitWallet. And we also said finally that there would be an expansion of volumes in our government services work, particularly the payments work. And we are experiencing all of what we said we would experience, but to varying degrees. In that transportation segment, despite the stay at home orders, revenues varied by product. It varied by volume change. It varied by the nature of how we generate revenue. And so the reduction rates that we anticipated were somewhat muted and less significant than we anticipated. The commercial business on the other hand was under slightly more pressure than we thought in our initial expectations in the Q1 earnings call. That's due to lower transaction processing and healthcare volumes. And then in that transaction processing space, it's in the dental space, automotive, travel and even banking where the transaction volume is down generally speaking. In healthcare and workers comp, we are seeing lower bill review, mailroom and nurse triage activity due to employees working from home. All that's offset though, the good news for us and it reflects the diversity of our portfolio in that government services segment that we talked about earlier where volume was much stronger than anticipated where there's far more government assistance volume than we modeled initially and talked to you about before. Unemployment insurance, for example, was significantly impacted by the $600 per month of federal payments by the CARES Act. And as you might know, we generate revenue by usage rates and transaction volume which leads to increases in Q2 revenue as we saw in the results. Regardless of the additional payments from the CARES Act, that government services business is also expected to perform well in Q3. So that's a good thing. So a lot going on in Washington as we know, but irrespective of that, we are quite optimistic on that government services business. So that's a good thing. Additionally, in that area we might see higher usage of the SNAP cards in the fall as some of these schools are putting school lunch programs on cards through a program you might have heard of called Pandemic SNAP or P-SNAP where kids who normally get subsidized or free lunch at school and get food subsidies while schools are closed. Obviously that's a good thing and we will see our business benefit from that. But as I mentioned, it shows how the diversity of our offerings in turbulent markets can really help. And some of these offerings are actually countercyclical in terms of lower economic activity. So that's again all about diversity. So you might ask, well, what about the rest of the year? I don't have a crystal ball here. But let me give you some expectations based on what we are seeing. We think the commercial volume pressure likely stays. Although we see it start to modulate back up in the second half of the year, we are working to take on additional client volume from competitors where they might not have been able to step it up. And as some of these clients look to outsource more work, which we are starting to see, we are there to catch that ball as they do it, as they are trying to work on their own cost pressures. In the transportation segment, it's really too early to tell. We are watching state-by-state based on COVID conditions. Your guess is good as mine as to when things open up. And the way things are going, it's going to be more of a state-by-state equation as I mentioned earlier. Back to that government services volume, we expect it to stay elevated. Just of note, in the unemployment benefits space we sent out 1.4 million additional cards compared with the quarter prior for unemployment benefits. That shows the dramatic increase in claims that we have all been seeing. If you watch the news, you are certainly seeing that. And we are experiencing it in our business. And back to that SNAP and P-SNAP program. We saw 25% increase in volume there. So we expect that to consider and even modulate up in the P-SNAP space. On the last call, we said, we thought increased volumes in that government business would lead to an incremental $20 million to $40 million in revenue. We definitely under called it. No one knew the gravity or timelines for COVID. And so we now obviously expect that number to be higher. And of course, it needs to be higher to offset some of the impacts to transportation and commercial. And because of some of that reduction in transportation and commercial that I previously talked about, we continue to work really hard on efficiency and cost endeavors. And so I want to talk a little bit about those cost savings updates on slide eight. In view of COVID, our transformation efforts did focus on cost efforts. And certainly that efficiency pillar that you heard me talk about previously is a big focal point for us and an increased focal point that allows us to maximize cash preservation, which we are doing. As I mentioned, we expect to overachieve that $100 million target and that target focuses on both temporary COVID-related expense reductions as well as more long term expense reduction efforts, which will continue into next year. And Brian is going to talk about that some in his remarks. So with respect to temporary actions related to COVID, we are focused on things like travel, we have got furloughs, we have got reduced spend for facilities. All those things tend to parallel the timing of the impacts from COVID. And so we are seeing offsets to the COVID impacts because of those expense maneuvers, if you will. With respect to the permanent and the longer term ones, we are looking at things we haven't looked at before like organizational spans and layers, vendor spend. We are looking at increasing our usage of shared services. We hired a new head of operations in transportation. His job will be to drive these efficiency efforts and migrate to a new phase of shared service. He is going to focus on process improvement. He will focus on lean type efforts. And finally, we intend to implement a different allocation methodology for corporate overhead beginning in Q3. Brian will touch on that as well and we certainly be ready to talk about that in Q&A. So were finding efficiencies all over the place. We are looking at the real estate footprint and we are modulating to or migrating to a more balanced work from home versus work from Conduent offices equation, certainly in the short term. And we will have an equation for the long term as well very soon. So as you can see from the graph there, savings across each one of these categories and we are going after all these line items to ensure we are running as efficiently as we can. We have got a lot more work to do. While we are well on our way in terms of the efforts across growth, efficiency and quality, we have a lot more work to do. But the good news is, we are seeing the fundamental signs of a turnaround. And in some cases across those three pillars, we are already seeing improvement in all three. So now let's turn to slide nine, if you will, to further discuss more of our transformation efforts. I will start by noting that while, as always and as we talked about in the past, while other opportunistic considerations will find their way to our radar, this growth, efficiency and quality strategy we have been discussing is finally starting to take hold. It is taking hold. And the plan is critical, regardless of the complexion or nature of our portfolio of products on a go forward basis. In addition, we continue to tap great talent., build out the size and strength of our sales team and we will certainly be ready to talk about that in Q&A and drive to a more seamless and coordinated operating model. In that regard, our commands center is fully operational. And it continues to support those reduced incidents that I discussed and also improve resolution times. And interestingly, based on our history, we completed yet another large data center migration without impact to our clients. So we are very proud of our technology teams for that. So we think this transformation program that we put in place will lead to in addition client performance improvement and client retention. We think it leads to continued sales success and we think it leads to a stronger operating environment. So now, before I turn it over to Brian, I want to first acknowledge, it is great to see progress and I hope you see the same progress that we are seeing. But we are committed to showing more. We aren't satisfied in any way until we can demonstrate consistency and continued improvement that will obviously lead to top and bottom line growth. It will lead to margin improvement. And critically, it leads to reputational enhancement. The good news is, those Q2 sales numbers are the green shoots that we have been talking about and hoping for. Two quarters don't make a trend. It's a good indication of how the changes we are making are working. But it's an early indication. That said, this is a journey. And in my view, rebuilds are no faster than downturns. In fact, maybe quite the opposite. But the foundation for this turnaround is built. It is now time to show you some continuity and some consistency. So that's what we intend to do. Finally, I am very proud to have the opportunity to continue to draw talent to Conduent. I am proud to lead the great talent within Conduent and I am very proud to care for the clients who entrust us with their business. And we want to keep this machine going. So I want to thank our clients as well. Thank you very much for your time and I would like to turn it over to Brian to talk about the detailed financials.

Thanks Cliff. I will start off on a same note. I am extremely proud of the hard work from our team. It's great to see progress in delivery operations and sales. Before I begin on the financials, I will quickly note that we are going to reporting both GAAP and non-GAAP numbers. The reconciliations are in our filing and in the appendix of the presentation. I will start on slide 11 to review the P&L and the consolidated impact of COVID-19 on revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Revenue for the quarter was approximately $1 billion, down 8.6% compared with our second quarter results last year or 8.3% in constant currency. These results are better than expected, primarily driven by the strong volumes at our government segment related to COVID-19 and less of a COVID-19 impact in our transportation segment. From a year-over-year perspective, prior year lost business and COVID-19 related pressure from the transportation and commercial segments offset the growth in government driven by COVID. As Cliff discussed, we are making progress and trending better than expectations. This is a result of less of an impact from COVID-19, strong execution on our cost takeout program and better topline performance excluding COVID. I want highlight this positive topline trend that we are seeing in the business. It's most visible when you separate the impact of COVID-19 from how we believe the business would have performed in a business as usual environment. The total net impact to revenue from COVID-19 was approximately $35 million for Q2. As Cliff mentioned, without the impact of COVID-19, we estimate that the year-over-year revenue decline for the quarter would have been 5.5%, better than the midpoint of the 6% to 8% decline that we had anticipated at the start of the year. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter decreased 3% year-over-year to $110 million while adjusted EBITDA margin improved by 50 basis points to 10.8%. The margin improvement was a result of progress in the cost savings program. COVID-19 had a net negative impact on our adjusted EBITDA approximately $8 million, including the benefit of temporary cost actions. Excluding the impact of COVID-19 and these cost actions, our adjusted EBITDA margin would have been approximately 11.3% for the quarter. In addition to the temporary actions, we are also taking permanent actions which should position us well as we enter into 2021. Restructuring spend for the quarter was elevated at $29 million driven by our cost and expense reduction program. We anticipate restructuring for the year to be approximately $60 million, consistent with our outlook as of our last call. We are pleased that the business performed better than our expectations for Q2. Let's turn to slide 12 to go over the segment results. In the second quarter, our commercial business revenue declined 12.2%, driven primarily by prior year lost business, COVID-19 related volume declines and the interest rate impact of the BenefitWallet business. Adjusted EBITDA was down 27.3% while adjusted EBITDA margin of 18.5% was down 380 basis points year-over-year. The declines were primarily driven by revenue pressure, cost related to a contract exit and were partially offset by reduced IT labor and real estate expense. Our government business grew 1.5% for the quarter. This was primarily driven by increasing COVID related volumes, partially offset by the loss of the California Medicaid contract. Originally, we anticipated the California Medicaid contract would have a three percentage point contribution to total company year-over-year declines. That is now expected to be closer to a two percentage point impact in 2020 as we continue to benefit from the transition work this year. Government adjusted EBITDA increased by 17.6% while adjusted EBITDA margins of 36.3% increased by 500 basis points. The margin improvement was due to higher volumes from COVID-19 related work and focused cost reductions. Our transportation segment revenue declined by 14.9% compared to the second quarter last year. This was primarily driven by COVID-19 related volume pressure, partially offset by new international transit work. Adjusted EBITDA was down 4.9% compared with Q2 2020, driven by lower revenue, partially offset by reduced IT and labor spend as a result of an intense cost focus. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 23.6%, up 250 basis points year-over-year, driven by cost reductions. In the second quarter, our unallocated shared IT and corporate costs were $145 million, 9.9% lower than in Q2 2019. This was driven by the cost and expense program. In Q3 2020, we expect to update our segment disclosure to allocate a portion of our unallocated cost to the segments. This should provide greater visibility into the profitability of each of the three segments and will align with how we expect to review and manage the business moving forward. We plan to provide more detail on our Q3 earnings call. Let's now turn to slide 13 to discuss the strength of our balance sheet and cash flow. Our balance sheet continues to be healthy with $437 million of cash at the end of the second quarter. Our net leverage ratio was 2.6 turns at the end of the quarter and our long term target for net leverage remains two to 2.5 turns. We continue to have a solid liquidity position. In addition to our cash on hand, our revolver had approximately $592 million of capacity available as of the end of the quarter. Our first major debt maturity isn't until the end of 2022 and we will be looking at refinancing options over the course of the next year along the events of maturity. Operating cash flow for the quarter was an inflow $74 million and adjusted free cash flow was $40 million, representing a 36.4% conversion for the quarter and $156 million increase over the same quarter last year. This was driven primarily by working capital timing and we also had an $18 million benefit in the current quarter from the payroll tax deferral related to the CARES Act. CapEx was $36 million for the quarter or 3.5% of revenue. We are still expecting to spend approximately $140 million in CapEx in 2020. Let's move on to slide 14 to touch on our expectations for Q3. Given the recent trends we are seeing in COVID-19 cases throughout the country, we are going to refrain from reinstating formal full year 2020 guidance. However, we thought it would be helpful to discuss our current expectations for quarter three. We anticipate revenue will be between $960 million to $1.01 billion for the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA margin of between 10% and 11.5%. These expectations are based on the current situation that we see today, but if COVID-19 impacts change significantly, it could push us towards the outer bounds of this range. Despite all of the challenges that COVID-19 has brought, our business is showing resiliency. We are continuing to deliver for our clients and our transformation is showing progress. I want to thank our associates, shareholders and clients for their continued support. We will now up the lines for some questions. Operator?

[Operator Instructions]. First question is made today will come from Puneet Jain with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Great result and good to see solid traction in bookings, specifically in new business signings that were up so much. So a question there is, so some of the recent deals you won, how long were the sales cycle there? Did pandemic accelerated conversion of some of those deals in the pipeline? Or in other words, what's driving renewed activity in signings for Conduent?

It's a great question, Puneet. So there is a couple ingredients to what you just said. Very little of what we see in the new business signings has anything to do with COVID. So if you think about the $623 million in new business signings, there is a little bit of P-SNAP in there, but $600 million or so of that is really irrespective of COVID. It's business as usual. So that's point number one. Point number two is that the sales process for us is completely different. It's a lot more about process improvement, dedicated teams, upgrading talent, the governance, bid management and certainly leadership. And so it's a changed sales environment. We are bidding on things we think we have good shot at and we are not messing around with others. With respect to tenure of the deals in that $623 million, it is up, driving the TCV up. So we are looking at roughly 5.2 year average deal length versus in previous quarters in the neighborhood of high threes, into the fours. But the good news our of that, while it's all good, because it creates longer revenue streams and on top of that if you look at it from a year-over-year basis or quarter-over-quarter basis, we are up on quarter-over-quarter, we are 25% or on ARR and in some cases up, upwards of 83% above what we were last year. So not only is the TCV up, but the annual recurring revenue is up and the deal length is up. So we are seeing progress in all three buckets.

Got it. And as you report upside in cost cutting, while that's obviously positive for the near term, but too deep or steep cuts were one of the reasons for revenue headwinds in the past. So how are you balancing benefits from high cost starts with managing execution?

Yes. The way to think about this $100 million which will over exceed in the neighborhood of 20% to 40% this year and those are 2020 numbers. The way to think about it is, it's a little bit different. Roughly 40% of those are temporary cuts that are directly associated with COVID volume. So as the volume goes down, we want to make sure our expenses go down as close to appropriately or correlated as possible. 60% or so of it is permanent and you are exactly right. We need to pay intent focus on or attention to making sure we don't cut into bone. And so what we have done this time is, instead of just what I might call somewhat arbitrary or just say wide swaths of rifts, we looked at it from a completely different angle. We looked at it from operating model changes, spans and controls, areas where we just don't think we have an opportunity to grow and areas where we can combine talent and create more shared services to drive, what I would call, efficiency plays that will then along with automation that will drive some of those reductions. And it's obviously not just people. But it will involve people as well. But we are going to do this way more smartly and that's what we are seeing in 2020.

Got it. Thank you.

You bet.

And the next question will come from Shannon Cross with Cross Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you very much. I was wondering, can you talk a bit about how we should think of the contribution from unemployment and some of the pandemic related Federal money that may or may not continue? And how you are thinking about balancing that against the benefits from the new signings? Is this something that, in theory, could be fairly seamless where as the Fed money, in theory, falls off and new signings to come through? How should we think about that trajectory?

I do not think -- Go ahead Brian. You take it.

Hi Shannon. This is Brian. So first I would just want to say for the Q3 guidance range. At the midpoint, low end of the range, we are not assuming any extension of the Federal government unemployment supplement. The high end, those contemplated being extended for August and September. But the midpoint does not. And then, go ahead, Cliff.

No, all I was going to say is, Shannon, if you look at, Brian's excluded a lot of what we saw with that extra $600 a month, he has excluded in what we are thinking about for Q3. And what we are seeing in the current upswing, which is well in excess of what we thought it would be, that $20 million to $40 million, we thought it would be -- it's mostly unemployment which we see probably continuing, despite we not knowing about that $600 and what it might go to. And the P-SNAP, which we also see on a continuing basis. But both of those are unrelated to what we see on a businesses as usual basis, which when you net out COVID, we see improvement to last year definitely or what we expected in our budget anyway.

Okay. Great. And then, when you are signing all these new contracts, how should we think about the margin profile of the contracts you are signing? How are you determining which RFPs you go for versus ones you don't? Just trying to think about, when we get through the pandemic and get into the next set, is this a situation where margin improvement should continue or at least hold in there? Thank you.

Yes. So when we are looking at new business deals, we target margins that are better than the current margins of the company. Sometimes, for specific deals, we may take a lower margin. But most of the time, the margins we are signing are higher than current company margins.

And how long does it take to get to sustainable margins in a contract because there is obviously an upfront investment that's required?

Yes. It usually ramps over time and it ramps as you go. Through the first couple years, it will have a lower margin, sometimes negative in the first year and then it ramps from there. But it does depend on the offering and we have certain offerings that ramp faster, that make money faster. So it just depends, but there is ramp typically on the margin side.

Yes. It's heavily dependent, as Brian said, Shannon, on the product. Obviously, in the public sector, where there is more upfront investment, it ramps a little slower. Where it's strictly services, it ramps very fast.

Okay. Thank you.

And the next question will come from Bryan Bergin with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Hi guys. Good evening. Thank you. I wanted to ask on the cost plans. You mentioned expected outperformance. Did you quantify how much that means? And then just to-date, where are you relative to the target?

So Bryan, thank you. We have got all of it identified. About half of it executed. When I say executed, it's all planned so we know which ones we are executing when across every month. We expect to outperform between 20% and 40%. So if you think on the outside, $140 million.

Okay. And you are 50% of the way through that run rate?

We are more than 50%. We are 100% of the way to the identification. And we are roughly 70% to 80% of the way to the execution. I mean there are people that come out later in the year. So we are 100% identified, call it 70% executed.

Okay. I heard the comments on the sales process refinement that you are attributing the success here. Is the current sales force appropriately sized now for the pipeline opportunity that you conveyed? Or should we expect investment there?

We are roughly, Bryan, about 25% over the low point from last year in terms of our headcount on sales. Obviously, what's most important out of that mix is the quality and the performance and execution out of the team. We expect another, what I would call, 10% or 20% uptick over the course of the next nine months. So we are not done, but we are 80% of the way there on the body count.

Okay. And just one last one for you. How are you thinking about potential strategic alternative path? Is that off the table in this environment? Or is the performance in any of these businesses now supportive of actions to be taken?

Yes. It's a great question. Look, it's opportunistic never of the table, right. We think we have the right strategy, irrespective of the portfolio. We are starting to see with green shoots and all the rest that strategy take hold and it's working irrespective of the portfolio. But it would be foolish of me to say that it's off the table. It's certainly never off the table and we are completely opportunistic. But we want the price to be right. We don't want COVID to be taken advantage of in the mix. And so I would say, no, it's not off the table.

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question will come from Mayank Tandon with Needham. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good evening. It's actually Kyle Peterson, on for Mayank. Great to see the improving TCV trends the last few quarters. I just wanted to see if you guys have any thoughts on how quick of the time to implementation and revenue you guys are seeing with some of these project extensions, just so we can get a sense of how quickly some this might translate to revenue and so we can start to continue turning the ship in the right direction?

Yes. So it's Brian. It's similar to the margin answer. It depends on the offering. Some offerings such as customer experience and transaction processing ramp fast. Others, there is an implementation period that can take, in some cases, a year or more. So it does really depend on the offering. The good news is, through the first half we have seen a good mix of different offerings contributing to the sales numbers. So we will have some revenue in the current year from these signings and in others we will contribute as we get into next great.

Okay. Great. That is helpful. And then just to follow-up on margins and your longer term thoughts on the margin profile of the business with some of these new contracts coming in at or above current margins plus the over-delivering on these cost takeout targets. Have you guys given any thoughts or could you give me color on where you think the margin in this business could head in a little more normalized operating environment?

So over time, we have said, before this business, if you look at the peers operate, based on the mix, at about a 15% EBITDA margin. Over time, we don't see any barriers to getting there. In the near term, though, we want to prioritize improving margin somewhat but also investing to turn the revenue around and that balance will keep it lower than that in the near term. And we have talked about being in range bound between 10.5% and 11.5% over the next year or two. And obviously, we had good performance in Q2 and we will keep driving margin improvement as we can. But we want to make sure we get the balance right between turning the topline around and improving the margin.

Great. That's helpful color. Thanks guys. Nice quarter.

Thank you.

Thanks.

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Well, let me say first, thank you to everybody for joining today. We feel like we are on track in making progress. We hope to have another good Q3 to talk to you about here in three months or so. It's encouraging to see the green shoots but momentum and consistency is what we are looking for. I would like to say thank you, obviously, to our employees for their hard work, for our clients for their business and to our shareholders for your confidence. And I hope everybody stays safe and keeps their family safe during this crisis. So thank you all very much for joining.

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