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Century Aluminum Company (CENX)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 25, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder today’s call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host Mr. Enrique De Anda. Please go ahead.

Enrique De Anda

Management

Thank you, Rita. Hello everyone and welcome to the conference call. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that today’s discussion will contain forward-looking statements related to future events and expectations including our expected future financial performance, results of operations and financial conditions. These forward-looking statements involve important known and unknown risks and uncertainties which could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed in our forward-looking statements. Please review the forward-looking statements disclosure in today’s slides and press release for a full discussion of these risks and uncertainties. In addition we have included some non-GAAP financial measures in our discussion. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the appendix to today’s presentation and on our website at centuryaluminum.com. I’d now like to introduce Mike Bless, Century’s President and Chief Executive Officer.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, Enrique. Thanks everybody for joining us this afternoon. If we could turn to slide four please, give you a quick review of what we’ve been working on over the last couple of months. First just to set some context on the - at the macro-environment it’s been reasonably difficult to read recently for us and I think similarly for many of you. End-market demand in our key vertical markets in the U.S. remains decent. We’ve had a couple of segments off a little bit from a growth perspective over the last couple of months but most remain pretty good. No real change in any other developed markets, conditions in the Eurozone as you know remain reasonably poor. Data from China indicate some slowing that was difficult at this point to find any real trends there in our opinion. We’ve obviously seen a significant sell off in the prices of all commodities. The price action has appeared seemingly indiscriminate with no evidence of most of the normal relationships and correlations to which we are all accustomed. It’s difficult in our opinion at this point to call where things are heading here over the next couple of quarters and thus as we execute our strategic plans that which I’ll talk to you in a moment. We’re being careful to build in some good flexibility. Okay, let’s move on we’ve had a very good quarter in the operations most importantly our safety performance remains flat to a very good fourth quarter of last year. We remain very focused on programs to identify areas – with the potential for serious injury and obviously to prevent those kind of accidents before they occur. The operations have remained stable, production volume, efficiency metrics all remain very good. Costs are also stable and Shelly will give…

Shelly Harrison

Management

Thanks Mike. You can turn to slide eight please I’ll take you through the company’s financial performance for the quarter. Average daily shipments were flat q-over-q but because Q1 had two less days total shipments were down 2% in the quarter. Shipments at Mt. Holly were up along with production but Helguvik experienced a reduction in shipments due to higher pot failures in the quarter as well as timing of shipment. In Iceland, we had direct shipments of approximately 58,000 tons in Q1, which is higher than we have seen in recent quarters. We expect the total and direct shipments will balance out over the course of the year to be in line with the forecast that we provided in Q4. The average cash LME price was essentially flat Q1 over Q4 but on a one month lag basis, the LME price was up about 3.5%. When you look at our realized unit prices in the U.S. they were up just under 3% quarter-over-quarter so pretty much in line with the change in LME. In Iceland, our realized unit prices were up 5%, which reflects the impact of higher direct shipments during the quarter. Moving on to the income statement data; net sales were up 1% q-over-q, Q1-over-Q4. The increase in the aluminum price drove net sales up by $9 million or 3%. The lower shipments offset a portion of this impact during the quarter. Turning to costs in our last earnings report, we put out an estimate of our U.S. and Iceland net cash costs for 2013. As you may recall the format we use takes cash cost on a per ton basis and the Dutch premium so that they are truly comparable to the LME price. On the same basis, our U.S. net cash costs were up about…

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, Shelly. If we could just turn to slide 10 as Shelly said we just want to give you a quick sense of some of the things on which we will be working here over the next couple of months. As you would expect, reaching an agreement with the power supplier in Kentucky is our most urgent near-term priority. Any preliminary agreement that we would reach would be subject till the completion of detailed documents. It would also require the approval of a Kentucky Public Service Commission and numerous other entities. Time is getting reasonably short so we are very, very focused on finding a solution here. Upon reaching even a tentative agreement, even one that would take, would require all the approvals in other word that I just mentioned upon reaching up tentative agreement, we would of course make the public announcement as soon as we got there. At Ravenswood, we would like to be in a position by the end of the quarter to know exactly what we have. On the one hand, we had the arrangement as approved by the Public Service Commission last fall. And on the other hand, we have the alternative on which we have been working. Once that is completed, we’d have all the information that’s required to make a decision as to whether a restart of this plant is feasible in the current environment. Discussions with the existing power suppliers in Helguvik have continued over the last couple of months but at a reasonably slow pace. As a reminder, the problem continues to be the weak financial condition of those two companies. The national elections in Iceland of this coming Saturday the day after tomorrow with the polls indicating a strong preference for the two political parties who are in government for most of the last decade. That said as you may remember that’s when we more than tripled the size of Grundartangi and signed all the agreements with the government and other entities for Helguvik. As a reminder this project is ready to recommence, the only requirement so the completion of those power contracts and an assurance that the transmission will be in place when this smelter is ready to produce. We’re hopeful that the environment post elections will be conducive to getting this great project going again. And lastly Shelly mentioned the corporate office relocation obviously we’ll be working on that, that we believe it will come in on time and under budget so that when we talk to you in July to report the second quarter we’ll be talking to you from our new offices in Chicago. And with that Enrique why don’t we turn it over for Q&A.

Enrique De Anda

Operator

Rita, we are ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Dave Gagliano from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. My first question I just wanted to verify it looks like obviously the cash cost for the first quarter in the U.S. were above the full year targeted range. Are you sticking with the full year targeted range at 1970, 2020 for U.S. operations or is that still a reasonable range for the year?

Shelly Harrison

Management

We are and one thing I would point out Dave is that, that’s actually through August for the U.S. that does not include any change in the power contracts for Hawesville, we’ll update that later in the year once we have a better understanding of what that contract will look like.

Mike Bless

Management

David, it’s Mike. I'll just add to that, the real – Shelly mentioned some of the reasons of – that we’re a little bit above that forecast and she mentioned labor cost and the one of the reasons where as you say sticking with that forecast I’d say still comfortable with the forecast is that the labor cost the reason it was up was a temporary situation. As Shelly noted production volumes at Hawesville during the quarter were a little bit under what we expected, we had a few more pot failures maybe six to seven pot failures than we had planned for and expected. We are through that now and we’re back to a full pot complement and so for that reason we remain comfortable with – that we’ll get back to where we need to be.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

No, just to clarify the average for January through August for the U.S. you are still expecting to come in at 1970 to 2020 per ton?

Mike Bless

Management

And that’s LME range, got it.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Right.

Mike Bless

Management

Yep.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Okay, alright. Thanks very much.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, David.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Olkovetsky from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Hey guys. So first of all I’ll get perhaps usual question out of the way. Can you give us a little sense for what’s going on in the put market for aluminum right now?

Mike Bless

Management

Nothing, nothing on our, nothing in our book right now.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay.

Mike Bless

Management

We’re unhedged.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Great. And then I apologize I hopped into the call just a few minutes late so I’m not sure if you mentioned it, but can you just give me a better understanding of the $15.7 million adjustment, what exactly is that and is that still, is there still liability on the balance sheet for the – on the contingent liability?

Shelly Harrison

Management

So, the net impact on the balance sheet is zero at this point in time. I won’t get into the detailed accounting but to put simply the net impact is zero and that is because at the current forward screen there would be no payments required under that obligation.

Mike Bless

Management

So it’s a non-cash charge so everybody knows and it was as Shelly said a contingent obligation that was on the balance sheet, it’s pretty simply you just take the forward curve and you discount what the payments would be under that forward curve back to the present like you’d value any asset or liability I suppose based on where the forward curve is today there is no liability when you calculate that. So we wrote off a liability which results in income.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Can you, can that liability then reappear?

Mike Bless

Management

Absolutely, great question, we hope it does.

Shelly Harrison

Management

Yep.

Mike Bless

Management

Because that would mean that the metal price is going back up and there it’s not unlike accounting for although you don’t have the same, you don’t fair value it exactly the same way but it’s not unlike accounting for a put option right. And for the same reason we hope that liability goes back on the books it will mean that, that curve is shifted upwards.

Shelly Harrison

Management

And just as a reminder if it does go back on the books then it would only pay out in periods when the LME does exceed the specified threshold and it’s payable over a period of six years. So the cash impact is spread out over a quite a long period of time.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Alright. Thanks, Mike, thanks Shelly.

Mike Bless

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Timna Tanners from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yeah, hey good afternoon.

Mike Bless

Management

Hi, Timna.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

So it sounds to me like a lot of this conference calls sounds like last quarter’s conference call except that Hawesville is getting closer to a decision. And it seems to us like either way it could be good, right if you have to set it down although its regrettable I mean it’s been loss-making and if you an get a power plant a power price that’s viable and then that's positive. But I guess I want to see if that’s a fair assessment and then also how far can the aluminum price for that assessment of viable with market power prices still be reasonable?

Mike Bless

Management

Yeah.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

That makes sense, so how far.

Mike Bless

Management

That will make sense.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yeah.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, no it made perfect sense. I would so kind of two parts to your question if I got it right.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Yeah.

Mike Bless

Management

The first I would agree with other than I’m sure you would expect I would sort of characterize differently either I wouldn’t say either would be good, it would be devastating to us if we had to close that plant for a whole host of reasons. That having been said your assessment is correct we if we couldn’t get a power deal representative of the market of a market power price we would indeed close the plant and that as you say Timna would indeed – it would indeed close of an asset right now that’s making cash losses. So your points are exactly right. On the second part of your question aluminum prices would have to go below where they are today just to give you to remind you we cited this figure before. The difference right now between the price we are paying the power provider under the contract that expires on August 20th and the market power price is sort of fully delivered market power price if you just went out to the marketplace and look at your screen and then added the transmission tariffs and the other sort of ancillary fees equals something shy of $250 between $200 and $250 right between $200 a quarter and $250 per ton of aluminum you multiply that by 250,000 tons of production capacity at Hawesville and you get a sense of how sensitive that cash flow is to that power price. So it’s hard to answer your question because you’d be assuming obviously that power prices would remain constant if aluminum prices would be to fall, but certainly in the current environment and even below the current environment the plant makes cash flow at a market kind of power price.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Okay. And sorry to sound callous but a fair observation it’s been a long day.

Mike Bless

Management

Okay, it’s okay, it’s okay.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

No it is what it is. And so now that’s helpful and thanks for the reminder. I guess again just making the comment that some of these things are moving fairly slowly. So on the July call we should expect to hear from you from Chicago we should expect to have a decision on Helguvik we may or may not be proceeding with Helguvik, Hawesville and we may or may not have a decision on Helguvik or Ravenswood is that what we should be planning for.

Mike Bless

Management

I think you nailed it, so yes Chicago obviously Hawesville yes if by July when we report I guess Shelly and Enrique we report towards the end of July. So that we would at that point in time have a decision one way or another and your characterization of the others are correct.

Timna Tanners - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead

Okay, super. Thanks for the summary.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sal Tharani from Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs and Company

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Good afternoon guys.

Mike Bless

Management

Hi Sal.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs and Company

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Hi, at Hawesville your largest customer I believe is Southwire, is that correct?

Mike Bless

Management

That’s correct.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs and Company

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Are you having discussions with them in case you have to shut it down?

Mike Bless

Management

Yes. As I said in my comments and we actually let’s see this would have been a week before last, we did need to use them, as we’ve said before our contract with them gives us the right to terminate at our option, at our sole option but with a four month notice, therefore August 20th you back up four months. So we did issue to them that formal termination notice I think it was either last week or the week before last perhaps. As you would expect, we talk to them everyday and so we - they knew it was coming. We keep - we continue to talk to them and we would continue to like to supply them hot metal assuming the plant and is going to - assuming the plant runs post August and based on what they said to us. We believe they continue to like to take hot metal as there are no next to our plant assuming Hawesville continues to make hot metal after August 20th.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Well, they also knew that they had made some contingency plans and has invested some money as this thing was known for almost a year. They brought some equipment to have alternative source is that correct?

Mike Bless

Management

I would never as you would expect, I would never make any comments to any third-party especially a very good customer so you have this now.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Right. I was just wondering if that’s the case and even if you get the (luxury) contract would you lose any of your business or you think your business will be same as before in terms of volume you ship over there?

Mike Bless

Management

Fair question. We were very confident Sal that irrespective of whether we sold to, we were to sell to or the full volume or any volume but let’s say the full volume to Southwire or not. We’ll sell every ton we produce at Hawesville. And as I said before we’re reasonably confident based on discussions we’ve had with them that, they would like to continue to buy from us. So, this is all - will all be discussed as we move forward and hopefully as we can report some time soon that if we get to the finish line that we have an agreement here.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Switching to the Ravenswood, are you looking for a similar pricing arrangement as - at Hawesville you are asking about sort of based on the future scope of the spot market or the forward market?

Mike Bless

Management

Yes that’s an excellent question and intuitive one. So, yes there is a potential there though the solution as you may remember you can go look at it. It’s filed on the West Virginia PSC, Public Services Commissions website. But the solution that they approved last September and then finally confirmed in December doesn’t contemplate Ravenswood purchasing from the competitive wholesale markets. That having been said I mean, I talked about this during the February calls, there is a potential when I - we talk about bridging that gap i.e., getting what we have on the table today and kind of getting it to where we - what we would need to have in order to reopen that plant. There is the potential to access in whole or in part the wholesale market, competitive markets to do that so that’s longwinded yes to your question.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Is power contract the only thing left for making a decision is labor settled – labor?

Mike Bless

Management

No it’s not. No, no, no that’s a very good question. Labor is not settled not because there is any conflict just because we haven’t sat down with the union to sort of finalize that. We have had a lot of preliminary discussions but both sides have said to the other kind of look until there is a power contract unfortunately you can’t really parallel this one. It’s really a – it’s really a serial process. So, unless and until there is a power deal that works for us to sit down and finalize that labor contract just doesn’t make any sense but we’re reasonably confident that could be done in a reasonably quick period of time once we got to a power arrangement that we thought would work.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

So, is it sort of implies that electricity contract is a bigger hurdle than the labor contract at Ravenswood.

Mike Bless

Management

Much.

Sal Tharani - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs and Company. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks, Sal.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Garchitorena from Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

Thanks. Good afternoon.

Mike Bless

Management

Hi, Rich.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

My first question, I just wanted to touch on the cash costs, can you remind us your exposure to [net cash] I believe the power contract in Mt. Holly has some tide to that and then what’s the exposure there?

Mike Bless

Management

Yeah. We - it is tied to that mostly now there are periods in which it’s less tied than others but mostly it is through at least December 2015 while the current amendment is in place, it is tied. Just to give you a sense the power cost quarter-to-quarter at Mt. Holly were about flat Q4 to Q1. And Rich, we haven’t published perhaps and we’ll next quarter if it’s something that people are interested in sort of sensitivity like we’ve done in the past. For example you may remember although it may have been before your time when you are covering the company back when we owned half of the Gramercy refinery and with us a big buyer of natural gas. We used to publish a sensitivity IE so many millions of dollars of cost or cash cost or cash flow per dollar of MMBtu we haven’t done that yet but it’s something that we could certainly do if and we’ll take that on board and do that.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

Well, yeah, I do recall that.

Mike Bless

Management

Yeah.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

And I guess the question, is if it’s it going to be a material impact for the second half cash cost given where current spot prices are.

Mike Bless

Management

Yeah, I mean power cost could be up given where the spot is right now, we’re not hedged there by design - we didn’t want to hedge that and obviously the prices down here over the last six, eight weeks so we’ll see where it comes but that could give rise to some increase power customer in all no doubt about it.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

Okay, great. And then my second question is, you mentioned you had some commentary about the coming elections in Iceland. Can you just talk about what you’re currently working on there, what you think may occur and how that’s going to impact the project?

Mike Bless

Management

Sure. We’re not working on anything we’re just sitting patiently waiting but as you may remember just some quick history. So the government the political parties that formed the government in Iceland during most of the last decade and frankly through almost all of Iceland’s post World War II history was a combination of parties that are reasonably Pro-business they are called the independence party and the progressive party. And those parties left the government – voted out of the government as a result of the financial crisis in the crash through which Iceland went in 2008 and 2009 and then this new government came in at 2009 that was comprised of – we have a parliamentary system there I'm sure you’re familiar with how that works comprises two parties the Social Democrats and the Left Green parties as you can guess their platforms and philosophy are less friendly towards heavy industry for a whole variety of reasons than the others. And so and all the polling have said continue to say that, that those two parties that have generally been in government that progresses in the independence will be the two winning parties on Saturday and thus we just believe that perhaps the environment there has been conducive. The existing government has done some positive things no doubt but we believe that perhaps in this post election environment we may get the momentum we need to sort of push a few things over the goal line. I mean the project really is ready to go and it really is in our view we’re biased of course but when you read independent people’s view like the IMF and others, the project really is an important one for Iceland. So we’ve got some optimism year going forward.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

Okay. And then in terms of the financing that you have secured is there any deadline or any expiry for that where we had to negotiate or?

Shelly Harrison

Management

Richard, as we had mentioned before it’s not a committed financing it’s something we worked on for a significant period of time, we have a 50 plus page term sheet we’ve negotiated all the details but it’s sitting on our shelf for the period of time it’s not committed there are no deadlines.

Richard Garchitorena - Credit Suisse

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Pleas go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dave Gagliano from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Hi, sorry to drag on a little bit, just a quick follow up. On the Hawesville, I was wondering, if there was a way for you to frame the EBITDA contribution in a dollar 9 realized price environment like we had in Q1 from that?

Mike Bless

Management

Sorry, Dave. The realized price the delta especially where you’re heading Dave in the current power price we’re paying versus a market price is insensitive but there is no sensitivity to the how we price because it’s just, it’s a fixed reasonably fixed tariff we’re paying today of course it changes based on the power providers cost of operations but it’s reasonably fixed. And then market power prices in the U.S. energy prices are it certainly not fixed, they trade up and down every day but they have no formal of course correlation in relation to the how we price. And so there is no sensitivity there but the math is pretty simple it’s just that $15 delta that which I talked, times of utilization rate is high so it gets you up to maybe let’s call it $225ish per ton of aluminum and then you multiply that by 250,000 ton. So it’s – as we said its $50 million plus in EBITDA on an annualized basis pardon me.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Okay, right. But I – actually what I was trying to get out was really what is the cash cost at Hawesville right now I am just trying to frame, what might change if it's shutdown and in terms of the financial impact (inaudible).

Mike Bless

Management

We haven’t we were, we've given you obviously U.S. and Iceland distinct costs both actual and forecast we haven’t broken out David Mt. Holly and Hawesville in the U.S. that's getting on some reasonably competitive pressure there and we just haven’t done it and we’d prefer not to.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Okay, Okay just a follow-up then just on the cash cost between Iceland and the U.S. can you give us the volume split between Iceland and the U.S in the first quarter?

Mike Bless

Management

Sure.

Shelly Harrison

Management

Yeah so shipments for the U.S in the first quarter were 88,000 tons for Iceland 71,000 tons.

Dave Gagliano - Barclays

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have a question from David Olkovetsky from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Just a couple of quick follow ups to you housekeeping income statement stuff. So on the - in the first paragraph you have a $2.2 million litigation reserve the $15.7 million contingent obligation and the $2.2 million severance I just wanted to know what line items in the income statement those three were in?

Mike Bless

Management

Sure.

Shelly Harrison

Management

Okay, all right. Let me go one by one so the severance and relocation costs are going to be in SG&A. The litigation reserve adjustment is going to be in other operating and the - what was the third one you mentioned?

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

The – beyond contingent…

Shelly Harrison

Management

Beyond it’s going to be – you’ll see it is clear on the income statement is …

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

That’s the 15.7.

Mike Bless

Management

It’s a discrete caption on the income statement

Shelly Harrison

Management

Yeah, it will pop out.

David Olkovetsky - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Yeah, okay, that's what I thought I just want to make sure that's the right one. Okay that's it, thanks.

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Next we have John (inaudible), a private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

John (inaudible) Independent Research. Congratulations on the (inaudible).

Mike Bless

Management

Thanks John, how are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good, good I may not understand the accounting right but I just want to run through this exercise to show how many degrees of freedom we have. My understanding is that auditors look for enough liquidity to get through the next year, when the exercise would be nine or ten months from now in closing the 2013 books. And you probably have enough liquidity to get through the next three or four years but could you run through first your liquidity and debt maturities which I think the principle test for accounting - certain accounting test and then second would the Grundartangi smelter operating alone get enough to carry your company?

Mike Bless

Management

Sure. So, let me -- Shelly take the liquidity that's pretty straight forward answer.

Shelly Harrison

Management

Yeah so as I mentioned we ended the quarter with $195 million of cash on the balance sheet, in addition to that we have our revolving credit facility we don’t have any borrowings against that facility at this time but we do have letters of credit so our net availability on that is about $50 million. So that would be our general liquidity position.

Mike Bless

Management

On the second question John, I’m not quite sure how to when you say carry certainly from a…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I’m talking about the cash flow running just that smelter.

Mike Bless

Management

Oh, sure absolutely, that's an easy one.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And what’s the other ones ideal.

Mike Bless

Management

Sure, absolutely.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So they would pay for the front office.

Mike Bless

Management

It doesn’t take much but yes sir it would indeed.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And would pay for your interest expense too.

Mike Bless

Management

Yes, sir.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So if the aluminum price fell a couple of pennies in new ideals and smelters you’re able to get over that bump in the road.

Mike Bless

Management

Absolutely from a liquidity standpoint. Yes John.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. I just wanted to – everybody is probably thinking this and not asking and I just thought I’d ask the question. Thank you.

Mike Bless

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have a question from Paretosh Misra from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Hi, guys just…

Mike Bless

Management

Hi.

Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

One quick question on your power costs in Iceland at Helguvik. I know it's linked to LME aluminum price but does that link to the current month LME or is that maybe a three month lag aluminum price?

Shelly Harrison

Management

Yeah, at Grundartangi it's current month LME.

Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

And your pricing is also based on current month LME not one month lag, right?

Shelly Harrison

Management

The total is one month. The total one month lag power contract current month.

Paretosh Misra - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Got it, great. Thanks, guys.

Mike Bless

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

And we have a question from Paul Massoud from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Paul Massoud - Stifel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Thanks just a quick question. I mean you touched on South, the contract with Southwire but I was curious about the contact with Glencore from Hawesville, I mean if Hawesville were to shut down other obligations that we have to -- you’d have to fill from Mt. Holly or would that also be canceled with the shutdown at Hawesville as well?

Mike Bless

Management

That's just a sweep contract so they take whatever free metal is there so but definitionally if there were no metal there is no obligation.

Paul Massoud - Stifel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Okay.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions in queue.

Mike Bless

Management

I appreciate everybody’s time this afternoon and look forward to talking with you in a couple of months. Thank you, Rita.