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Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 8, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the CECO Environmental Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Eckl. Please go ahead.

Matt Eckl

Analyst

Thank you for the joining us on the CECO Environmental Second Quarter 2018 Conference Call. On the call today is Dennis Sadlowski, Chief Executive Officer; and myself Matt Eckl, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to note that we have provided a slide presentation to help guide our discussion. The call will be webcast along with our earnings presentation on our website at cecoenviro.com. The presentation materials can be accessed through the Investor Relations section of the website. I'd also like to caution investors regarding forward-looking statements. Any statements made in today's presentation that are not based on historical facts are forward-looking statements. Such statements are based on certain estimates and expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual future results may vary materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements. We encourage you to read the risks described in our SEC filings on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2017. Except to the extent required by applicable securities laws, we undertake no obligation to update or publicly revise any of the forward-looking statements that we make here today, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Today's presentation will also include references to certain non-GAAP financial measures. We have reconciled the comparable GAAP and non-GAAP numbers in today's press release as well as the supplemental tables in the back of the slide deck. And now I'll turn the call over to Dennis.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Now from time to time I'm told that I don't want my passion and enthusiasm on my sleep. And I need to let it out better. Well I intend to do so today, because I’m legitimately thrilled about our growing momentum and pleased with the results that we believe was a strong second quarter across CECO Environmental. The customer wins in the quarter and share gain led by our Energy Solutions team, in conjunction with a return to sequential revenue increases confirms that we're on a good track. We’ve divided the call into several parts this morning. I'll first cover our second quarter highlight and how we see our strategy gaining traction in the market. Matt will next discuss the financial details and outline the targets we set for ourselves looking out three years. And then, I will review our end market outlook before we open the call up to your questions. So let's get started with Slide 3. Our 4-3-3 operating strategy is designed to deliver significant benefits for our customers that translate to market wins and growing market share. It's our formula for strong financial results and long-term value creation for our share holders. New orders in the second quarter topped $100 million, demonstrating that our team is actively winning in the market, rigorously executing our 4-3-3 operating strategy and accelerating our turnaround momentum. We achieved solid results across the company. Most notable is that our triple-digit new orders were led by our Energy Solutions segment in spite of the distressed power generation marketplace. The combination of our brand strength, demonstration of our technical prowess and highly engaged sales team not only delivered on behalf of customers, but also to work from our competitors. Orders at just about $100 million…

Matt Eckl

Analyst

Thanks Dennis. Kicking off with Slide 9, I want to start by congratulating the CECO team on a successful quarter. I share in Dennis comments that the confidence building within the team can be felt. It’s certainly nice to see positive momentum. As a quick point of reference, like-to-like comparisons have been provided to exclude the impact of divestitures in prior periods, comparable on a reported basis are available on our 10-Q. With that, our orders grew $110 million which was up 24% year-over-year, excluding divestitures as our refinery business continue to return the historical averages and our energy team delivered an outstanding quarter. On a sequential basis, bookings grew 10.5% versus Q1. Revenue at $81.1 million was down 8.5% year-over-year, primarily due to declines in our Industrial Solutions segment in China region. Compared to this year’s first quarter our top line increased 17% on a like-to-like basis Cash flow from operations in the quarter was $6.6 million, which included $1.8 million of earn outs paid. Excluding the accounting convention, our CFOA was the standout $8.4 million in Q2. Gross margins at 33.5% were still strong in the quarter and in line with last year’s average. Q2 non-GAAP operating margin at 6.4% is still well below our potential, but points to the inflection I noted in last quarter's earnings call. What I would call your attention to is the operating leverage evident in CECO’s operating model. Sequentially, operating margins are up 220 basis points and operating income is up 78%. On a year-to-date basis, our tax rate is 53% due to the gain on divestitures and one time deferred tax charges associated with the U.S. Tax and Jobs Act, however, on a normalized basis, our effective tax rate was 24.7%. Concluding the headline of financials our non–GAAP diluted earnings per…

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Thanks Matt. The implementation and execution of our 4-3-3 operating strategy is fully underway, gaining more and more traction and producing positive results and momentum. Again, we're very pleased with the quarter’s results, but certainly not content. We can and will do even better. Before moving to your questions I wanted to share some quick thoughts on the outlook of our end markets. Slide 17 shows it with the exception of power generation, all our served markets are trending up, representing modest and positive tailwind. As I mentioned earlier, we've had key wins in all of our end-market segments. Let me offer some color beginning with our Energy Solutions end-market. Starting at the top, in the refinery segment, we were ready for the market recovery that started in the latter part of 2017. So when the customers in this area began to move on new investments, our team responded with strongly wins in all regions of the world. We’ve been pleased at the pace of the bounce back in early 2018. And given the slightly higher price of crude oil, we expect this market segment to stabilize at historical demand levels. The midstream oil and gas market segment also continues to be positive with good activity in the Middle East and the U.S., although project activity remains inherently lumpy. Power generation is still distressed and likely to remain so throughout 2018. So no change here from what we've seen over the past year or so. And I will add that in recent year the third quarter has historically been the weakest in terms of project awards, so we expect that to continue this year as well. However, we are still aggressively pursuing significant opportunities to gain share in the Brownfield and aftermarket areas. Our restructured sales force is taking advantage…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now being the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Sean Hannan with Needham and Company. Please go ahead.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Yes good morning. Can you hear me?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yes, good morning Sean.

Matt Eckl

Analyst

Hey Sean.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Good morning folks, congratulations. Really, I think obvious some takes, but not a whole really a lot of impressive commentary here this morning in terms of wins, backlog and some other execution. So want to congratulate on that. First question here to focus on is as you folks think about some of these targets you have through 2021, and specifically the 4% to 7% organic growth, that can be really impressive for you folks, especially when we think about it we've historically really had a struggle with being able to execute on organic growth and consistently, as well. So just try to understand if you can specifically call out what you're using as the page for comparison, is that that the run rate from June or is it 2017? And then also can you talk about a little bit more specifically the assumptions for end-markets here, and what would be assumed to say from a power generation recovery over a three-year horizon versus finding? And any viewpoints of one versus another over that three-year period would be with the helpful?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

And thanks Sean and I appreciate the question. So your first question was about our growth target. Our that we communicated earlier that we stick by is we want to outgrow the market at least 2x, and that means we need to be out active in the market demonstrating our value and gaining share that’s the only way to deliver above market growth rate. When we look at the aggregate mix of our market we probably tracked a global GDP over the long-term. And that’s where we see 2% to 3.5% or so global GDP. Now currently we’re weighted towards the North American markets and weighted towards the energy market, and to some degree those are having, offsetting end-market effects. So as we look ahead and made ourselves and report quarterly, we’ll report against both the mid-term expectation, like I've tried to do today, as well as offer what color we do see around market and mixed conditions. At the end of the day, we think if we are able to drive that range of growth in that mid-single-digit to a guided operating leverage and generate kind of top tier returns that people expect. I think you had an added question and specifics around power gen and what was the other?

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Yes, it’s really more a matter of where are we assuming in these forecasts. As you think about recovery in power gen on the three-year horizon, there could artificially just through mass, coming off to really core level of demand today, being able to provide some pretty good growth for say in one to two years you went just kind of a very moderate temperature change within that market just small numbers. So trying to understand how does power generation factor into? Are you factoring anything on a three-year horizon for them? What are you thinking about on the refining front? Just trying to get some perspective around how you’re thinking about your markets in a differentiated manner one versus the other as you consider that three-year growth horizon?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yes, so I think I’d start by saying we like the markets we are in. We think that they have reasons to be growing over the mid-term there, the three-year to five-year term. And then over the more near-term, we went through a period in the refinery segment where customers settled on their money, they continue to operate their refineries at full scale and we saw very little you heard all about that last year. In power gen, what we're seeing is a market that remains in a very challenged environment for the remainder of the year at least, the outlook from the biggest customers in the OE side of that are pretty well-known Siemens, GE. They're talk is that will continue into early next year. Our goal is, however, to gain share in that market, being active, being visible, having the application expertise and building on our reputation and staying power. So like in this quarter we think there's going to be opportunities for us to continue to generate good wins. Albeit we’re not going to have any benefits I don't think in terms of tailwind from power gen over the next foreseeable future, I guess. So I don't know that we’ll need a big tailwind to generate the kind of targets and bookings that we're looking at there in terms of growth rate.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Okay. And then the next question here and it's also top line focused. Is change that based on the progress momentum that you're having thus far this year, not on the execution on a revenue line, but in these bookings and new wins, it would seem that you folks would be kind of getting back to following the typical revenue progression that you would have in calendar years of quarter-on-quarter sequential progress. Should we assume that we’ll have incrementally higher Q3 over Q2, as well as Q4 over Q3? Are we trending in that direction or is there anything that I'm ignoring that would otherwise detract from that?

Matthew Eckl

Analyst

No that's right Sean. If you heard some of my prepared remarks, you’d hear that we do believe that the second half has obviously been better than the first half and I always talk about thing sequential and that’s why on Page 9 of the slide deck that was prepared you'll see a comparison to Q1. And the thing I'd really point out is the fact that we grew backlog close to $60 million. So that’s a good indicator of what we see the second half doing.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

And it also I would assume lines up very well for at least a strong start to 2019. I don't think – I mean how much do you think is going to be realized out of that order backlog the back-end of the year versus what will rise into 2019?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yes, I think as you know we don't get the backlog following during one month, 30 days later and most of our orders are over let’s say nine to fifteen months or so depending on the size, complexity and customer timetables. So that increase in backlog in the last three running quarters of close to $20 million per quarter over the last three quarters is an important harbinger as I mentioned for our revenue growth, but it will be gradual. And then it will be up to us as what can we generate from new wins out of the market conditions that we see. And that's where we continue to keep our focus, keep our energy and look to executing better than the competition.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Okay. So as you start – and this is all conceptual, but if you were to think about as you start off 2019 is there a potential that instead of your typical quarter-on-quarter decline as you start off in the calendar year that you could be even something closer to flattish on a sequential basis given this strong consistent uptick you’ve been seeing within your backlog? Or is that you mean you’re getting ahead of myself?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

No, I'm going to let Matt offer a little bit. But I don't think that we have necessarily on revenues any kind of typical, call it, seasonality in the quarters. It has a lot to do with win or some of the project orders book and what is the customer timetable for execution therein. So in the fact that we've grown over the last few quarters means we expect in bookings and backlog does indicate that we're expecting revenue to start to catch up. And as I said, then we have to continue to execute against the market conditions we see and do well to continue to generate wins, generate share gain. I don’t know if Matt wanted offer anything more precise that that.

Matthew Eckl

Analyst

I think you got on all the key points. The only thing I'd highlight is if you look back of the trend we put that out on the page, we are pretty much revenue follows orders by a quarter lag. And so that's a good indicator. You saw that when we went down through the cycle and as we go up, as we take market share. And so I think that’s probably the best way to model it on a average basis Sean.

Sean Hannan

Analyst

Hey, that’s great. Great indication here. Thanks so much for the color folks.

Matthew Eckl

Analyst

Thank you, Sean.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will be from Gerry Sweeney with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Hey, good morning Dennis and Matt. And congratulations on a nice clean quarter.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Thanks Gerry.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

I wanted to take a step back and just follow-up a little bit on what Sean was asking and on your longer-term target of 4% to 7%. As you look at your products and portfolio, do you have everything in place to hit that 4% to 7% or do you need to add to it, or is it just a function of continuing this 4-3-3 strategy getting more engrained in the design process, aftermarket sales, et cetera?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yes, I think, it's more on the 4-3-3 strategy. Obviously, we do have industrial markets growing. I think, Sean, hit on the point that counterbalance in our energy markets is power gen in the foreseeable future that there could be some challenges there, but it’s about our 4-3-3 operating strategy.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Okay, sorry…

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

That I hear you asked a question is our outlook for that all organic and if so I will say – I will say yes. We’re all about just trying to build that growth engine, demonstrate in front of customer, the value of our applications and our people and do that in a way that gain share picks up, builds installed base and then really leverages the installed base for aftermarket and brownfield wins. So it’s armed with that against this aggregate, GDP backdrop over the longer-term that we think our targets are the ones that we’re after and those that we will report against going forward as well.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

And then, I think, you said in the commentary the industrial side of the business still a little bit slow, orders being pushed out. What gets this going? Is this more outside your control just tariffs adding a little bit of uncertainty, curious just to how this develops?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yeah, so I will say that it’s been a little disappointing because we do see a lot of good activity in the market and at the same time we’ve been hovering in that $18 million to $22 million in revenue for the past two quarters, which is less than what I would consider acceptable. And the pipeline does suggest we should be doing better, but there is lots of movement from time to time and what customer timing in putting through their investments. Those – a lot of our investments are growth related in the ways that there are variety of other factors in terms of new capacity, demand and things like that and they're planned in a reasonable timetable, but then they tend to move out from quarter to quarter depending on what's happening in other parts of the facility – construction or facility relocations and things like that. So a part of this is up to us to continue to have better access to the market, why we're adding some salespeople, why we're making sure that our salespeople in this area can represents the total company’s offerings and we need to recommit ourselves to being visible out there in the market because they do believe that we have a great – great offering, great solutions. We've demonstrated over and over again. And so I think we can do a better.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Got it. Anything around pricing and you sort of maybe set margin levels or is that not applicable?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Well, pricing, I'm not sure exactly what the question is. But we – if your question is, are we seeing significant differences in pricing or the like? I know that we see pricing pressure largely in our energy segment coming through the later half of last year. And that hasn't gone away. At the same time, our team works hard to demonstrate value. So that customers can see what our offering is and generate benefits there. And I think in the quarter, we did a good job of that. And that's why from a margin point of view, we believe that the blended margins will continue to hold up commensurate with the quarter we just completed. As far as you know if you’re specifically referring to industrial…

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Yes, I was. Just curious that was…

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

One of the things that I noted and we have seen is there is pressure coming from within on certain material inflation and the like that is absolutely driving some movements in the pricing. We're able to capture most of that in the spot market in terms of not being in the middle of a margin squeeze, but some of that upward pressure is causing customers to have to rethink what they do, and take at least one more round of review before they release capital on projects that are usually around expansions, upgrades and the like. There is a little bit of an impact right now on that that if nothing else it's creating some delays.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Got it. And then just more out of curiosity what cash the $36 million, I guess you mentioned 40% of it I guess domestic and 60% is overseas. Is that the rationale just that there's less here in U.S. that it's a little bit higher than maybe $36 million on the balance sheet with $80 plus million in debt, but I want to take down a little bit more or is that ratio the cause for that higher level cash?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Sure, so I would say we – with the new tax reform, the ability to bring cash a lot easier. We've already started to do that that will be in our Q. We will talk about, but we’ll continue to take those actions here because of our tangled web of legal entities out there and makes a little tough sometimes to move cash back. So it's more of an internal obstacle as opposed to external or economic reality on bringing that outside of China. I would say that pretty much to bring cash back at a very low barrier, Gary. So, we will continue to do that. We like paying down debt and we’ll continue to do so as long as it remains economic.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst

Got it, that's helpful. I appreciate it. I’ll jump back in line. Thank you.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Thanks, Gerry.

Matt Eckl

Analyst

Thanks, Gerry.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question will be from Bill Baldwin with Baldwin Anthony Securities. Please go ahead.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Yeah, good morning, Dennis and Matt. And…

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Hey, Bill. Good morning.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Good job with your group there.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Thank you.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

You’re really bringing some traction to bear. I just wanted to get your feel on the progress that you feel like you're making as you move more towards account managers. Can you kind of indicate where you are in that process there Dennis and Matt I guess based on your three growth platforms? Are you where you want to be? Or do you have more to do in terms of getting effective account managers into the equation – into your team there, into your sales effort?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yeah, Bill, thank you. And I think that's a good question because we believe that an account management approach we had certain of our larger end market customers makes absolute sense. And so we've begun moving in that direction with account managers in clear account plans that also connect up relationships at different levels between us and our customer base. I would tell you that we have begun – we have a robust beginning in terms of the account management. One of the wins I mentioned, I would say it's directly related to a much better account planning process, a much better understanding of what the customer needs are and our ability to translate that into project wins. It's gaining some momentum. And I say we're at the beginning because we wanted to start with a focused group of customers to make sure that the process is good that that the momentum is generated that we can then redeploy that in other areas. So we've started to move in that direction as well in the industrial and so it's largely around our industrial segment and energy segment were deploying an account management approach. In addition to a field group that covers the aftermarket and the end user installed base in addition to more that specialty technology people that back them up and handling customers on a transactional basis. So we're starting to get some good wins. It's showing up in the numbers. It's a part of the momentum that you're seeing. And I think why we think we had a decent quarter, but we still can do better.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Dennis, do you feel like that most of the folks that you think – I mean most positions for account managers can be filled entirely or is this a situation where you might have to go outside to find some effective account managers?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

I think that we are going to be able to evolve people into roles like that into key account management from internal where they have – where we align their specific expertise around product and technology with the largest part of the demand from key customers. So we've already begun a bit of that as I mentioned. And I see that as the larger path going forward. As we continue to look at add, we’re trying to add people who have that blend of application knowledge in front of customers and have that hunger that close business and really the passion to win in the market. We don't want to be here just playing the game so to speak. It's all about wins and generating benefits for customers that translate the value for shareholders.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Are you seeing as a pretty qualified candidates as you interview for these jobs?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Absolutely. I think our momentum is demonstrating that it's a good place to be and I think that’s even picked up in terms of what kind of candidates we can see from the market at this point.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Very good. With that I know you don't want to give a lot of competitive information, but can you indicate at least among your growth platforms? Who are you think the most pressing issues are on product innovation where your major focus is going to be there initially with your product innovation initiatives?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yeah, well, I probably don't want to say too much here and it’s probably too early, Bill. But in the industrial air quality area is where we see some opportunities to both refresh and put forth some ideas that that may be don't exist quite yet in the market. It’s an area that we've been far to underinvested in. And so, we’ve reinitiated some development areas that will takes some time to gain traction before they really generate meaningful and material successes for the company, but we have absolutely begun to commit the resources and do the work required to make sure that not only next quarter's numbers can continue to improve, but they were looking out into the future to make sure that we can support that long-term growth rate that we're after.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Dennis, are your engineers currently on board that you’ll be utilizing for this product innovation or do you have some personnel’s decision there also or personnel additions?

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yeah well some of that growth investments that we have outlined will be in the engineering and development area in support of some of the priorities that I just mentioned. So that will be some add. I mentioned already that we have created the position of Chief Technical Officer that will also be an important leadership driver in this area over the long-term.

Bill Baldwin

Analyst

Okay, well, it's great to see the momentum building and the confidence building. So congratulations.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Yeah, thank you. I do like the momentum that we've been able to generate over the last few quarters. It's good to see the results starting to take shape as well. So we’re pleased, but I think we’re far from anything that we would say satisfied or going to relax about. There's a lot still to do in front of us and that's what we're all about.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over Dennis Sadlowski for any closing remarks.

Dennis Sadlowski

Analyst

Okay, well thank you all and thanks for spending some time with us this morning. And I’ll just close out by saying we feel good about the progress across the company. The quarter’s results that reflect that the 4-3-3 strategy is gaining traction and we're building momentum going forward as I mentioned. I'm really excited and energized by the advancements of the team. And with further focus and effort, we know we can generate top-tier returns for our shareholders. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.