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Coeur Mining, Inc. (CDE)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 8, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Coeur Mining Fourth Quarter 2017 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtney Lynn, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

Courtney Lynn

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to Coeur Mining's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Our results were released after yesterday's market close, and a copy of the press release and slides for today's call are available on our website. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that our press release and some of our comments on the call include forward-looking statements from which actual results may differ. Please review the cautionary statements included in our press release and presentations as well as the risk factors described in our 10-K. I'd also like to mention that we are in the process of selling our Bolivian subsidiary. Therefore, we have presented our San Bartolomé mine as a discontinuing operation, and excluded it from any consolidated operating metric or financial results discussed, unless otherwise noted. I'll now turn it over to Mitch Krebs, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Thanks, Courtney, and good morning. Thank you for joining our call. We had a strong finish to the year, resulting in record fourth quarter and full year silver equivalent production, improved cost performance and solid financial results from continuing operations. If you have the slides in front of you that we just uploaded, the first five slides provide a summary of these results. For the full year, we generated net income of $11 million, EBITDA of over $200 million and free cash flow of $60 million. In the fourth quarter, net income totaled $14 million, EBITDA was $77 million and free cash flow in the quarter was $45 million. As Courtney mentioned, San Bartolomé is excluded from our fourth quarter and full year results we reported today since it's considered an asset held for sale according to U.S. GAAP rules. To help with any comparisons between estimates and actuals, we've added 2 slides in the earnings call materials that we uploaded just a few minutes ago that show the financial results of this discontinued operation for the fourth quarter and full year. I think they're Slides 26 and 27. In summary, if we had included San Bartolomé in our fourth quarter and full year results, costs would have been higher and EBITDA would actually have been slightly lower. The key takeaway from these comparisons between discontinued ops and continuing ops is the strong rationale for the sale of San Bartolomé, which was our highest cost mine, had the shortest mine life and is in the least attractive jurisdiction of all of our operations. We expect that transaction to close by the end of the month. The primary focus of our strategy has been on investing in our existing assets to sustainably reduce our cost structure, generate solid returns and increase…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question or two will be Joe Reagor with Roth Capital Partners.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

I guess, first question on Rochester. The cost guidance there was a little higher than I anticipated. Is there any -- anything particular driving higher costs there? And then on the PEA you're working on, is there an order of magnitude we could think about as far as potential cost reductions?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes, I'll turn that one over to Frank, Joe.

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Hi, Joe. In the guidance, what you'll see in more detail as the year unfolds, the mining rates are going to be a bit of an off from what we achieved in 2017. So the denominator is going to shrink just a bit. However, grades will remain relatively constant, supporting a good production stream. And we have allowed for higher fuel costs during the course of the year. Diesel is a pretty big driver in the Rochester budget for 2018.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. And then as for magnitude on the PEA cost reductions?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

We'll be able to obviously give you more detail on that once the results come out, but what we'd like to think that we're going to see there is a step-down below the $10 level on the back of some of the efficiencies that, that crusher project can bring to us.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. Moving over to Kensington with the dewatering issues at Jualin. Can you give us kind of a rough estimate of the additional costs you're incurring specific to the dewatering?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

I'll start, and then, Frank, fill in. It's in the CapEx guidance. I think it's just shy of $2 million of costs associated with that, mostly drilling a raised borehole and some pumps to pump that out and take it over to the water treatment facility over on the Comet side there. Frank, anything I missed on that?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

No, it's a fairly straightforward project. It's not super capital-intensive, and we've completed some hydrogeologic studies and identified where the pumps need to be located and water-bearing structures. So it's a simple matter of getting a raise bore machine in there and drilling -- pulling this borehole through and then get some pumps in there and start pumping.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

And then we can move a lot faster. We've been grouting that whole way down as we've done that development, and water has just been a constant struggle and has slowed us down. Doing this will really set us up nicely then to move forward much more efficiently.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. And then one final one, if I could, on Silvertip. Is your guys' thought process that you'll provide similar free cash flow reconciliation information as things move forward over the next, call it, 3 years, like you've done with Wharf? Because that's been very helpful for painting the right picture.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes. I'm sure what we'll end up doing is we'll do with Silvertip what we've done at our other mines in terms of disclosures and our transparency. This is obviously, as a startup year, the year with the most potential variability. So we've been mindful with that as we've established guidance ranges for Silvertip. But as we get to the end of the year and hopefully, see things moving along as planned, we'll -- and we get that technical report out, which will have an updated life of mine plan, the next few years will become a lot clearer.

Operator

Operator

And our next question for today will be Mark Magarian with UBS.

Mark Magarian

Analyst

Just I'd like some color on guidance for costs for 2018. I mean, given the sort of the recent run rate, it looks -- they look a little kind of high. Are they conservative? Can you -- have you got any more color on that?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes, I'll start. Anybody else can chime in on what I missed. Palmarejo and Rochester are kind of similar to last year. That diesel headwind is something that both of those sites will struggle with this year. Kensington is -- the guidance is basically a carbon copy of last year. Wharf is the big exception. It's up by about 30%, and there's a couple of things going on there. It's a slightly lower-grade year according to the plan. There's about 4 million tons of waste that needs to be moved to get at some additional higher-grade material in subsequent years. So that obviously doesn't get done for free, and that'll be one of the cost pressures there at Wharf. All that said, Wharf will still generate good free cash flow again in 2018, but the cost on a unit basis will be a little higher. And they've got -- especially moving those 4 million extra tons with the higher diesel assumptions, that doesn't help either. And then Silvertip is maiden year there, so we don't have any prior period comp on that front. CapEx is about the same. G&A is about the same. And exploration, although it shows expensed exploration's down a little bit, our capitalized exploration is quite a bit higher than last year. So on a total of basis, the total spend on exploration between expensed and capitalized will be similar to 2017's levels. Does that help?

Mark Magarian

Analyst

Yes, that's fine.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And the next question today will be from John Tumazos with John Tumazos Independent Research, LLC.

John Tumazos

Analyst

Excuse me for not asking a Coeur-specific company question on your operations. But what is your view as to why the silver price language is around $16? It's underperformed gold. Has gold rebounded a little bit? And World Bureau of Metals Statistics data shows silver mine output down 9% last year. It would seem like silver is doing a lot worse than it could do. Platinum has to sell off due to battery markets from investor stockpiles there, but silver benefits from solar and other macro entrants. I'm just interested in your view.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes, yes. Hi, John. You're right, supply is heading down like it is for gold, which is a positive, both in terms of production and scrap. The industrial side of silver is looking good again. Solar panel, demand has really skyrocketed, and even with some of the recent noise around tariffs, there's still a lot of photovoltaic installations taking place really around the world, most notably in China. I think the place you're seeing some real weakness that has to be a factor in silver's underperformance is coin. Coin and bar demand, it's off big time, and it's off again even as we start 2018 compared to last year's start to 2017, which was down a lot from 2016. ETF demand is -- although it's always -- it seems to be stickier than the gold ETF demand, it has been a little bit weaker as well. And I think maybe the commonality between those two comments is just the fact that we've seen such strong broader equity market performance, that a lot of that retail money may be chasing those returns in the broader equity markets and foregoing the safe haven demand from silver. But it has definitely the silver gold ratio or gold silver ratio has definitely stretched out. Usually, as you know, it tends to snap back when it hits a certain level, but that hasn't quite happened yet. But those are a couple of thoughts from my perspective, John.

John Tumazos

Analyst

So you think the swing is in investment demand?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

I think so. I'm not seeing anything really on the industrial demand side, whether it's electronics, ethylene oxide. Even on the jewelry side in the U.S. and India, we've seen good strength for silver. I think it's that investor side and retail investor side that I can see as a notable point of weakness.

Operator

Operator

And the next question for today will be from Mark Mihaljevic with RBC Capital Markets.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

So obviously, you guys have been pretty active, as you highlighted, on the portfolio optimization side of things. And I was just wondering if you still saw work to do there in terms of really anything to go there. So are you pretty happy with the portfolio you've accumulated now and -- or just focused on optimizing it the best you can?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

That's kind of a loaded question, Mark. We can never be happy with the portfolio that we have. We've always got to be getting better and higher-quality assets to the extent that we can. Right now, we've got to keep our eye on the ball of Silvertip and delivering on a smooth of a startup there as we can. That doesn't mean that we can't keep our eye on some other opportunities that don't distract our focus from Silvertip. And we'll continue to evaluate things that can check the boxes in terms of where they're located and the quality of the ore body, grade, margin, ability to extend it and expand it through ongoing drilling, low technical risk, the things that everybody look for in new opportunities. But we have a few things that are unique to our company. We still have a very large pool of tax loss carryforwards here in the United States. I think it totals $370 million at year end. Even though the federal tax rate here has gone down, it's still a valuable asset that we have and something that we could bring to U.S. growth opportunities. So there are things like that, that factor into our thinking as we look at how we might go about continuing to upgrade and enhance the asset mix.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Okay. And I guess, since you opened that can of worms, I was just wondering if there was, well, a, how your cash tax -- or when you could become cash tax payable in the U.S. based on the NOLs you have now. And any other things we should note from the tax overall?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

Sure. From a cash taxability standpoint in the U.S., obviously, it's a function of our sales production going forward. But overall, we're many years away based on spot prices from being in a taxable position in the U.S. As you probably are aware, we do pay mining taxes in South Dakota and Nevada. So we are paying a fairly modest amount of cash taxes in the U.S. away from income taxes, about $5 million a year. But in terms of impact from tax reform, we had a very modest favorable adjustment associated with the new legislation related to the repeal of the alternative minimum tax, about $1.5 million. There was an adjustment on our balance sheet. We do carry a deferred tax asset related to the tax value of those NOLs, which is offset by a full valuation allowance. So we reduced both the deferred tax asset and the valuation allowance by about $85 million. So no P&L impact. It's just the carrying value of that asset and the offsetting valuation allowance. Interest deductibility, the 30% cap on U.S. interest expense against U.S. -- sorry, total interest expense against U.S. EBITDA, that's having -- does not present an issue for the company. But for us, like every other company with leverage on their balance sheet, will be a consideration, especially if and when we become taxable as to how we capitalize our balance sheet. So that's something that we'll watch. And then, probably, the punchline is the lower corporate tax rate itself, 21%. Similarly, should we become taxable, I think it creates a strong incentive -- benefits, certainly, going forward of having operating assets in the U.S. in that corporate tax rate, which now aligns very competitively on a global basis.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

And I guess, just digging into the expected Rochester PEA. I was wondering kind of broad strokes you can guide us on how we should think about that relative to the life of mine plan that we've seen early last year. Obviously, you had, had the crusher and conveyor upgrade in there as well. So just do you see difference in terms of timing or the potential scale? Or how should we be looking at that?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes. Frank and I are smiling at each other because I want to tell you all about it, and Frank wants to wait until the PEA comes out, which, I think, is probably the better approach. But it is different than -- the PEA or the technical report we filed a year ago for Rochester was sort of a dud. A lot of people looked at that and were not all that impressed with what that technical report reflected for the future of Rochester. And a lot of that's centered around a significant amount of capital that was served as kind of a placeholder in, I think, 2021 to cover the expected need to construct a new crushing facility -- move the existing one, build a new one as well as build a new and hopefully, the last leach pad out there that we call Stage 6, which is now in permitting and is called POA 11 for those purposes. What we've been working on then over the past year is how can we get a better handle on those capital placeholders that we had in there for 2021. So we've done a lot of engineering work around getting some better numbers there, trying to both reduce and spread out that capital expenditure and get a better handle on what the potential impacts -- positive impacts could be of new -- of a new crusher. And those are sort of the high-level themes of what we've been working on over the past year and what will be reflected in that PEA. Does that help?

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Yes. And I guess, the one question or follow-up question to that would be, obviously, you guys have had a lot of success on the exploration side of things. They're pushing the reserves up quite a bit. Does that justify potentially going or looking at a bigger operation or a larger-scale operation than what you'd previously kind of talked about?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Mark, this is Frank. I wouldn't necessarily make that connection today. We've got a long life out there. We've had, from historic drilling, lots of resource potential sitting in our area of operations at Rochester. The uplift we gave to our resource price deck this year in terms of modeling, as you can see, brought in quite a bit of new M&I. So the tonnage is increasing, probably see some incremental grade reductions. But a part of the way we see the future is, yes, we want to incrementally expand the scale of mining to a degree to offset any grade reductions that we might see in this next plan that we're working on. But it won't be like step change kind of a difference, still be a real long life. I'm excited about the fact that if we look at the future kind of comparing ourselves to the past where we built a lot of individual leach pads, investing capital each step of the way and then last year, expanded an existing leach pad with some capital investment. The pad that we're going to build out in a basin near our current operational area is, hopefully, it's a pad that's big enough to hold all the reserves that we can envision that we'll ever actually mine and process. So there'll be some benefits on how our capital profile looks going forward after we make the investments in a new crushing facility and build a new leach pad and new process facility. And we know that we're going to be looking at some improved operating costs, so.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Mark, it's Mitch. Just to underscore that. I think as a PEA, we'll incorporate all the resource material into that work. And along with some of the efficiencies that we hope to bring into that PEA, I think what that will end up doing then at year end this year is allowing us then to bring a lot of that inferred and M&I material into -- or at least a good chunk of it into reserves. So that will lie ahead for year-end '18, but that's a good additional sort of by-product of this work that we'll summarize in that PEA.

Operator

Operator

And it looks to be no further questions, so this will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mitch Krebs for any closing remarks.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Okay. Well, hey, we appreciate everyone's time this morning and the questions. If you think of anything else, don't hesitate to reach out to us. Otherwise, we look forward to speaking with you again in April to discuss our first quarter results. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

And the conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.