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Coeur Mining, Inc. (CDE)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 26, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day. And welcome to the Coeur Mining Third Quarter 2017 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] And please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtney Lynn, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

Courtney Lynn

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Coeur Mining’s thirds quarter earnings conference call. Our results were released after yesterday's market close and a copy of the press release and slides for today's call are available on our website. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that our press release and some of our comments on the call may includes forward-looking statements from which actual results may differ. Please review the cautionary statements included in our press release and presentation, as well as the risk factors described in our 10-Q and latest 10-K. I'll now turn it over to Mitch Krebs, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Thanks, Courtney and good morning, everybody. Thank you taking the time to participate in our call. Production and cash flow we're both up, cost were down and we reach some very important milestones at three key long-term projects that should deliver high quality organic growth in the fourth quarter and in the coming years. The third quarter financial results were negatively impacted by a few items worth mentioning up front. Number one is our exploration spending was up nearly three fold, which I think is a real positive given the success this drilling is having, I'll talk more about this in a few minutes and give you our rationale for why we're allocating more capital to our near mine drilling efforts. The second item is the average gold grade at Kensington was lower than we had anticipated. And I'll talk in a few minutes about why this was the case and what we see at Kensington in the fourth quarter and how we plan to achieve the low end of our guidance range for 2017. The third thing is we experienced operating difficulties down at our San Bartolomé mine in Bolivia that we've discussed with you on prior calls. It's mostly driven by a shortage of water to a lack of rainfall over the past two years. I'll give you some additional details on what we're doing about these challenges we're facing there in Bolivia. And then the last thing is we've booked a $14 million quarterly income tax expense on our income statement, which was a substantial increase from prior periods and it was mostly driven by non-cash changes in the company's deferred tax estimates down in Mexico. If you're looking at the slides and you have them in front of you. Please go ahead and flip to Slide…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Joseph Reagor of Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Morning, guys. And thanks for taking the questions.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Hi, Joe.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Couple questions on Silvertip first, I guess first you just mentioned the 180 employees there. Can you give us kind of an idea of what we should expect for like cash outflows there in the fourth quarter? You know whether it's exploration, capitalized expenditures or you know anything you guys are going to drop through G&A et cetera for the employee overhead costs?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes, sure. Fourth quarter we expect to spend about $40 million of capital expenditures of that $2 million is capitalized drilling and then expense should be about $7 million in the fourth quarter and of that $2 million is expensed exploration.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. And then can you give us an update on how the permitting amendments are going there?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yeah. We have submitted an application to provide an additional bridge during which time we'll be submitting an amendment application that would allow us to sustain a thousand ton of day mining and processing rate. We expect to receive that in the third quarter of next year between now and then we'll continue to operate under kind of a short term bridging permit that the has had and we expect to continue.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. And then shifting gears a bit on guidance, obviously there's a lot of questions this morning about you know confidence level that we're getting on the guidance, more specifically cost guidance at San Bartolome and Rochester you know, tend to be leaning towards the higher end of guidance. And then specifically Kensington you know the production guide what it implies, is about a minimum of about 40,000 ounces for Q4. Can you give us additional color as to you know what you guys are doing to make the cost and the production guidance is and what your degree of confidence is that you guys will be you know with inside that revised guidance range?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

I'll start Frank, fill in the blanks that I missed. Just to go down the list. San Bartolome is a little bit of a wildcard because of the weather impact. Certainly we hope for more rain as they enter the rainy season. But the main driver to cost there in the second half - well the fourth quarter now is really some third party ore that we anticipate hauling from an operation that's actually quite a ways away from San Bartolome, but contains some very high grade ore. And we anticipate that stream of high grade third party ore purchases to help boost production and help bring those unit costs into a level there that will allow us to achieve the full year cost and exit at San Bartolome. Rochester. Yeah, probably on the high end of the guidance range, but we're confident that with these new ounces coming off of the new stage 4 pad, plus some cost reduction opportunities we're not hauling out any waste anymore like we were in the second quarter to get access to some higher grade gold in the pit. So we feel like our costs at Rochester should be you know, admittedly towards the higher end of the guidance range but within that range. And then yeah, Kensington and I mentioned in my comments, it's going to be a big a big push in the fourth quarter. There's a good plan in place to accomplish that. It leans heavily on ore coming out of that Raven zone which is narrower, higher grade, we've mined in there periodically over several years. We've got to - we think a pretty good handle on the great performance out of that. They'll be dropping stopes to allow us to process some very high grade ore out of Raven that will supplement what we mine from Kensington Main to give us that great kick that we'll need to achieve that kind of a production quarter. But the plan we have faith in, the team we have faith in and that shows us achieving that kind of a quarter and allowing us to clip the low end of that of that guidance range of 120 to 125,000 ounces.

Joseph Reagor

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. I'll turn it over.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Mihaljevic of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Thanks and good morning everyone.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Hi, Mike.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

I guess I'll kick it off on the exploration side of things. Obviously, a lot of interesting things going on down at Palmarejo. So just kind of you know early stages, can just give us a sense of how you know the width and the grades of Nación in some of these other veins have compared to Independencia and Guadalupe?

Hans Rasmussen

Analyst

Hi. This Hans Rasmussen, Exploration, VP. The Nación vein is looking very similar to Independencia in both thicknesses and grades. We're seeing a couple of what we call Latos [ph] so far in the drilling because the thicker portions of the deposit and fortunately one of those in the northern part, closest to our infrastructure. La Bavisa is still very early in the drilling, but we are seeing some pretty good thicknesses, similar to Independencia, not quite as good in the gold range, but still early days on that one. The other ones are very early also around Guadalupe and the best out of [indiscernible] Guadalupe is Zapata and Zapata somewhere early holds actually thicknesses that were comparable to what we're seeing in Independencia, not the thicker is Guadalupe, but so respectable. And I guess that would be the first one to show a resource in the coming year so.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Just Mark, its Mitch just to add onto that a couple of things. When we bought Paramount I guess now a couple of years ago who had the property package next door that allowed us to consolidate ownership of several of these structures that were kind of split down the middle previously by the property boundary. Nación is a good example on their side it was called Dana [ph] so its Nación and Dana have linked up to become one continuous structure. Similarly La Bavisa that that's actually on the east side of that former property boundary. So a lot of these new things set very near our infrastructure at Guadalupe and between you know between Guadalupe and Independencia. But some of them are also a product of that acquisition that we made a couple of years ago.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Thanks for the color on that. I guess moving over to Silvertip. You know, as you guys have kind of you know sort of take the reigns there and start putting some money in and getting your people on the ground. Are you still pretty happy with everything you're expecting? And you know there have been any surprises that you've been seeing kind of as you really take over the keys?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Mark this is Frank. We since earlier is this quarter we've been engaged in activities there as you might imagine. And we're working through a very disciplined process, we're running sort of like a project in regards to permitting and people and resource modeling and so on and everything's been going pretty well according to plan so far nothing much to report on there in a negative way. We're in the process of this week starting to commission the mill on some materials that are available sitting at the surface and expect that to go fairly well and it's gone according to plan so far.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

I’d say that team has done a really good job leading up to the closing last week of coordinating closely with JDS Silver which has helped us get kind of a running start since the closing which was only hard to believe a week ago. But I think there's a real positive energy up there. Folks are excited. We've all been spending a lot of time in British Columbia and we're excited about being a part of that mining business community. Out there great first nations relationships, and a lot of support from the provincial government. So we're excited and can't wait for the first quarter or next year.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

And I guess kind of on that note what type of ramp up are you expecting there because obviously you know the mine was in operation for a bit under JDSs control. So you know what type of timeline do you think it will take for you to get up to nameplate and you know how much work will go into that?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Mark, this is Frank again, as we've stated we plan to begin operations there in the first quarter, it will be around you know it will be lower tonnage as in early days, something in the range of 3, 400 tons per day. I'm expecting that by the end of the year we would have ramped up to thousand ton per day rate and that's subject to getting that permit approval that we need to go higher, but we don't see any issues with that at the moment either.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Thanks. That was helpful. And just one final one for me. I guess you know obviously was a bit of a weird quarter tax wise. So just wondering if you could provide some guidance for what we should be expecting for Q4?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

And Mark, its Peter. And I would say in terms of the fourth quarter you're right, third quarter was a little wonky which is often the case when we see a pretax number that's effectively breakeven. And so we ended up seeing what was on a relative basis to that pretax income a pretty significant primarily deferred tax entry. But in terms of Q4 given that we are projecting a relatively strong fourth quarter across the whole portfolio of mines I think are sort of average you know using this sort of an average rate approach you know in terms of that tax rate would be the logical way of approaching it which would be in the you know 30% plus or minus range.

Mark Mihaljevic

Analyst

Thanks. That's it for me.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Justin Steven of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Hi, Justin.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Most my question have been answered already, but I've got a few left here. So the Palmarejo [ph] CapEx was a bit lighter than what we were expecting. Is this sort of what we can expect going forward there?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Yeah. You know, you've seen what our guidance is for the year, we’ll probably come in on the low end of that range. The majority of the savings on capital has come through development capitalized development underground. We've not had to do as much as we thought we would have to produce against guides for the year.

Justin Steven

Analyst

When you say low end of the Frank, you mean CapEx not production?

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

CapEx.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Yeah. Speaking of that there was a negative development CapEx of $1 million there because of that reclassification of some previous development CapEx to the sustaining line or what?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

We're all looking at each other here in the room…

Justin Steven

Analyst

Just assume, we’re going to see a negative $1 million spend for CapEx?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yeah. Let us circle back.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Okay. That would make sense. Switching over to Rochester. What can we expect sort of ballpark replacement rates there in the fourth quarter?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

Well, pretty close to what we've achieved this year so far, which is averaged about 48, 49,000 tons per day.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Okay. And is there going to be any expected lingering impacts the rough weather that you guys had earlier in the area carrying forward for 4Q or is that going to be sort of all wrapped up?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

No. As Mitch mentioned earlier we struggled with some pretty severe weather in the first quarter and fell behind on mining rates in that quarter. On the second and third quarters we've come a long ways to catch up as much of that as we can. On top of that mining is a million and a half tons of ways to expose a couple of inches in the open pit and carry some pretty decent gold values. That was time to be the first materials going out onto the stage for expansion. Leach pad just completed that project and had materials under leach now and that's all working out quite well. That will be a deficit to the year on the total tons mine. But you see what our guidance for production is, we're confident now.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Okay. And over at Kensington, just we haven't really gotten too much out of the – for color on Raven and given initial expectation for tons of grid there in the fourth quarter?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

Sure. We spent a lot of a good portion of this year developing over there requires that because of the mining method that will be deployed it's close to shreik stopie [ph] its a little bit of a hybrid between that and longitudinal mining. So lots of vertical development we've developed 4 of 7 levels through the course of the year. We're at the stage right now where that material just needs to be drilled out in panels shot and it'll all be taken out in a pretty large bulk tonnage. It should be in excess of 40,000 tons that will come out there in the fourth quarter. On the grade side, we see ranges on Raven that it goes between 0.35, 0.40 ounce per ton.

Justin Steven

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Thanks, Justin.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Thompson of BMO. Please go ahead.

Ryan Thompson

Analyst

Hey, good morning Mitch and team. Thanks for taking my question. Just a couple of quick ones on Palmarejo their, recovery seem to be quite a bit lower in the third quarter compared to where the mine has been running. I'm guessing that the consequence of pushing more ton. How should we think about recovery sort of going forward? And my second question is just on the drilling you're doing on the new veins are they subject to the Franco‐ stream or they side the stream? That's all for me. Thanks.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Frank will take the first one and then Hans will take the second one.

Frank Hanagarne

Analyst

Yeah Ryan. To understand what's gone on there in the third quarter with recovery, I'll refer you back to the second quarter where you see our tons mine, our grades are a bit lower than we achieve, quite a bit lower than what we achieved in the third quarter. So we had a very large slug of silver and gold ounces come out the – that process facilities and we had an inventory buildup. So it just didn't make its way out of the plant in that calendar quarter to maintain the recovery. So there's an inventory effect. We're working in the fourth quarter to get that inventories right down to normal levels and now well on her way to getting that done. So you'll see recoveries return to what you've been seeing over the last say four or five quarters behind this one.

Hans Rasmussen

Analyst

Hey, Ryan to answer your question about the stream, this is Hans Rasmussen, the map on page 11 sort of gives you a feeling for where the definition of the stream is. There is a vertical orange line. That's the original Paramount core line. So anything on the east side would be out of the streaming arrangement with Franco and anything on that on the West or left side would be within most of the Nación drilling. I would say 80% now or more is within the Franco streaming, all the Guadalupe drilling is and most of the La Bavisa is outside of the stream.

Ryan Thompson

Analyst

Okay.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Hey, Ryan. Its Mitch. I just – I had the numbers in front of me, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to share, to your question about kind of what's on the east side of the property to the west side and how it relates back to that Franco stream. In the third quarter gold production 50% of it was out of Guadalupe, 12% of it came from Independencia West, which is - which is kind of our side of that AOY time back to the Franco stream and then 39% of the gold ounces came from that east side which is outside of the Franco AOY.

Ryan Thompson

Analyst

Okay. that's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Yes, sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Dudas of Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen and Cotney [ph].

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Hi, Mike.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

Just couple of things. First La Preciosa, I looks such a great effort made there. Characterizes it just missed by a little bit or just things that's just in the current environment and given the other Africans [ph] you have just to overcome with an investment in near term?

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Oh I'd say, especially as things like Silvertip came along that gave us such a great opportunity to see a higher rate of return, more immediate with a lot less risk, no construction risk, no development timeline. I mean, you know in terms of prioritizing where we allocate capital something like a Silvertip was a no brainier compared to La Preciosa. The return on La Preciosa is just so sensitive to the silver price, and of course that upfront capital. I'd say the drilling was very successful, I'd say we still have work to do on that upfront capital to the extent that there is any opportunity. That is what a - higher silver price and a little bit less capital would push that thing into a category where you know the rate of return starts to approach the levels where it's actually you know value additive versus value of destructive.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

And no question you asked me the right call on Silvertip. And then as you characterize after the financing close here in this quarter, how are you looking at the balance sheet optimization, where it stands, cash flow allocation worked and you know given your tenure and loans what are you guys thinking here?

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

Mike, its Peter. I would say that you know we elected to sort of go down a path of a fairly shareholder friendly approach to acquiring Silvertip by putting in place the $200 million revolving credit facility, trying half of that. that takes our total leverage pro forma for that to about 2.4 times. And that's kind of the upper zone of the area that where we're comfortable. So you know, we like having the additional liquidity available pro-forma for the transaction, will have to have about $180 million of cash on the balance sheet. So with $100 million of dry powder in that $180 million we think we're in pretty good shape. But our plan would be to use free cash flow generated next year once we start ramping up Silvertip and other operations are hitting on all cylinders too. You know again delever the balance sheet and you know, we – sort of hard [ph] five yards to sort of improve the quality of the balance sheet, lower our leverage level and that's not something that we're going to certainly concede any time soon.

Michael Dudas

Analyst

I appreciate the answers. Its very helpful. Thanks, gentlemen.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Thanks a lot Mike.

Peter Mitchell

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mitch Krebs for any closing remarks.

Mitchell Krebs

Analyst

Okay. Well, thanks everybody for your time and all the questions and we look forward to speaking with you again in February of 2018, hard to believe to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results. So have a good day and thanks again.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.