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CarGurus, Inc. (CARG)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the CarGurus' second quarter 2018 earnings results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Rodney Nelson, Investor Relations for CarGurus. Thank you. You may begin.

Rodney Nelson

Analyst

Thank you operator. Good afternoon and welcome to CarGurus' second quarter 2018 earnings call. We will be discussing the results announced in our press release issued today after the market close and posted on our Investor Relations website. With me on the call this afternoon is Langley Steinert, CarGurus' Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Jason Trevisan, Chief Financial Officer and Sam Zales, Chief Operating Officer. During the call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward-looking, including statements concerning our financial guidance for the third quarter and full year 2018, our business and growth strategy and our plans to execute on our growth strategy, our brand awareness efforts, our investments in and ability to drive adoption of new and existing products, the growth levers we expect to drive our business, our ability to maintain existing and acquire new customers, our expansion into international markets, the expected contributions of new additions to our Board of Directors, the impact on our cash flows from tax withholding payments related to net share settlements in future periods and other statements regarding our plans, prospects and expectations. Forward-looking statements may include words and phrases such as we expect, we believe, we intend, we anticipate, we plan, may, upcoming and similar terms. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be considered our views as of any subsequent date. We undertake not obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Forward-looking statements are not promises or guarantees of future performance and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from our expectations. For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to those contained under the heading Risk Factors in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed after today's market close as may be updated by our other SEC filings. Further, during the course of today's call, we will refer to certain on non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures included in our press release issued after market close today. The press release and our SEC filings can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.cargurus.com and the SEC's website at sec.gov. With that, I will turn it over to Langley.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Thanks Rodney and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Before I begin, I want to welcome Rodney Nelson to the CarGurus team. Rodney will be running our Investor Relations effort and we are excited to have him onboard. We enjoyed a strong second quarter as we continued to execute against our strategic initiatives for 2018. Our success continues to be driven by our commitment to providing consumers with the best possible car shopping experience. Our transparent technology driven platform and our investments in our brand continued to fuel growth in our market leading audience. The high-quality engagement we generate from our audience ultimately yields robust ROI for dealers and we are seeking to further bolster dealer ROI with innovation in both existing and new dealer products. As a result, we delivered 45% revenue growth in the second quarter while exceeding our Q2 operating income guidance. Based on the strength of these results and our continued execution and we are increasing our guidance for the full year, which Jason will detail in a few moments. CarGurus is a data-driven company. We work tirelessly to continually improve our platform and bring order to the millions of unstructured data points across the automotive market. Our technology driven approach is clearly resonating with our large and highly engaged user base. The powerful combination of robust vehicle information, proprietary deal ratings and insightful dealer reviews is attracting more car shoppers to CarGurus than any other of our competitors in the U.S. Average monthly unique visitors to our U.S. marketplace increased 56% year-over-year in the second quarter. This was an acceleration from 33% growth in the first quarter of 2018. In Q2 our average monthly U.S. user sessions also accelerated to 52% growth year-over-year, up from 37% session growth in Q1. As we proudly shared…

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Thank you Langley. I will begin with a detailed overview of our strong second quarter performance and then provide our guidance for the third quarter and updated view for the full year 2018. Starting with the income statement. Total revenue was $110.3 million in the second quarter, up 45% year-over-year and roughly $6 million above the high-end of our prior guidance range. Marketplace subscriptions once again served as the primary source of the revenue outperformance growing 44% year-over-year to $97.7 million. Advertising and other revenue represented the remaining $12.6 million of total revenue, an increase of 49% year-over-year. We view the performance in advertising as a reflection of our increased investments in building brand awareness to augment our large engaged consumer audience driving greater ROI for our advertising partners. That said, on a quarter-to-quarter basis, we expect advertising and other revenue to exhibit less linear growth than marketplace subscriptions revenue since campaign timing and promotional activity from our OEM and other auto related advertising partners can vary quarter-to-quarter. Looking at our performance by geographic segments. U.S. revenue was $106.4 million, up 44% year-over-year and international revenue totaled $3.9 million, up 87% versus the year ago quarter. As Langley referenced, we launched our site in Spain in Q2 and we continue to make strides in Canada, the U.K., Germany and Italy. Turning to our paying dealer count. We ended the second quarter with 29,969 total paying dealers around the world, up 20% year-over-year and representing an increase of 943 paying dealers from the end of the first quarter. Our launch in Spain brings our total global addressable dealer count to roughly 90,000 giving us a sizable opportunity to increase our paying dealer penetration moving forward. In the U.S., we ended the second quarter with 26,871 total paying dealers, up 15% year-over-year…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes for Heath Terry with Goldman Sachs. Please state your question.

Heath Terry

Analyst

Great. Thank you. I wonder if you could give us a sense, just maybe a little bit more detail on what you are seeing in international markets, particularly as you have launched or have got further into your launch in the U.K. and Germany, specifically on conversion on free to the paid on your user or dealership base? And then just on traffic in the quarter, can you obviously continue to see strong growth in traffic in the quarter? If you can help us just sort of understand a little bit more on the breakdown between organic and paid there, that would be really helpful, particularly in the U.S. given the dealer net add number there.

Sam Zales

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Heath, hi. It's Sam Zales. I will take the first question related to international. We are seeing continued scaling on the value proposition for dealers in the international markets. I think I mentioned the same pain points exist for consumers and dealers in the markets we have entered. I think I would add, that's the same with Spain that just launched. For the dealer community, it's looking for a return on investment to their customer acquisition expenditures and channels they are using and we provide that great opportunity for them. The conversion from basic to paying is continuing to go well. I think you see the 83% growth in our paying dealer base in international markets. That's a sign that, one, when they try the free program as they do, our freemium models here in the U.S., it really leads to a significant opportunity to grow customer acquisition moving from the free to paid programs. We have been able to demonstrate that the connection volume growth from the basic program to one of our premium products and the change in conversion rate of selling those vehicles is substantial and the international markets are behaving the same way the U.S. is, that we are converting a significant number of those dealers to the paid programs. As you know, our opportunity in the international markets is to first gain inventory on the free program. So getting as much inventory as possible to make our consumer experiences as best it can be and then converting those dealers, once we built the consumer audience to see that benefit in connection volume and close rates. And so we are doing that significantly and at a great pace in those international markets. I will turn it to Jason on the consumer side.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Hi Heath. So yes, our U.S. traffic in the quarter, we were very pleased with it. It was an acceleration, as you heard. We have talked in the past that we don't break out our channels specifically. At a high level, we look at paid and unpaid and paid includes social, retargeting, search and display and unpaid includes direct, branded search, it comes through search engines but use our brand and then organic search. I think one of the bigger drivers that we are seeing now is the influence of our brand campaigns in the U.S., specifically our TV campaign and that typically takes time to build momentum and we are seeing that now. We are seeing the confluence of having been in the market since midyear last year and continuing at a steady state there as well as the high season for car shopping kicking in, in Q2. And so we are seeing disproportionate growth in direct traffic and in branded search. But that said, we are seeing growth across the board in all of the traffic channels that we are in. We have spoken a lot about our growing spend in brand, but we should also mention that our algorithmic traffic acquisition team is a highly sophisticated team that we think is market leading, but they are always making efficiency improvements that are allowing them to scale on the same or less spend as well. And so we are seeing growth across the board, but brand is the biggest new factor within the last year, for sure.

Heath Terry

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Really helpful.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ralph Schackart with William Blair. Please state your question.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Good evening. Two questions, if I could. First on domestic AARSD growth of around 19%, which I think is about the strongest growth since the first quarter of 2016, at least with the data that we have in our model. Jason, I know you talked about connection volume growth having a strong impact on the quarter. But just curious, if you take a step back and assess how are you able to drive that metric at the fastest rate nearly two years, given the scale that you are at today? That's my first question and then I have a follow-up.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Sure. So AARSD, as I think you guys have learned in your models, is a complex metric in terms of what builds it up. It's driven by really three levers which we have outlined, audience, pricing and new products. In this past quarter and the past couple of quarters, we have had strong audience growth. And strong audience and connection growth tends to lead to stronger renewals. And that has historically been our largest, strongest lever of growing AARSD and so that continues to be our strongest lever, followed by new products and unit pricing. We have always said that unit pricing is going to be a very slow, methodical march for us and so I would remind everyone that that's not going to be a lever that we pull hard anytime soon or maybe ever. So the order of those three levers has remained. I think one thing that is an overriding factor to all of that though, as it relates to AARSD, is just the math of how AARSD works and we are, for the calculation, replacing an old quarter, five quarters ago with a new quarter. And this most recent quarter has the benefit of renewals for the three quarters in between and we have done a good job with renewals lately. And so as our revenue grows faster than our dealer count grows, we are going to see AARSD growth. So some of it's the math, but really the headline is our connection growth and our audience growth has continued to be really, really strong and that's helping with renewals.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Yes. Ralph, this is Langley. One thing I would tell you, to Jason's comment, is that that thing we are excited about probably going forward is the fact that we are now building a suite of products in addition to listings. Obviously, we have had our Dealer Display product that we launched over a year ago, that our search engine marketing product has gotten quite favorable reviews from the dealer community. It's still early days in that but we like we are layering on multiple products and building a suite so that it's not just about our listings product but we kind of have a We whole suite for dealers. And as Jason said, that adds to the velocity of ARRSD in the future.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

It's actually a good segue to my second question on SEM Plus product. It sounds like you are getting good initial feedback. Maybe if you could help us understand or frame the revenue opportunity for that product as you see it today? Give us a sense of how you see that product rolling out and progressing? And any compares if it's relevant to how Dealer Display rolled out versus the signals you are seeing with SEM Plus would be helpful. Thank you.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Yes. I will let Jason talk probably to the market sizing, but I think the important point that we have noticed in the marketplace is that the technology that we bring to bear is significantly different than what most dealers have been dealing with today. They tend to fall into three camps. One, they are either trying to do it themselves, which is something we can pretty easily overcome in terms of success. The second one is, they might be working with a local agency and typically those sort of agencies tend to be subscale in terms of the volume and keywords they can provide to a dealer. And then thirdly, there might be a larger digital marketing agency they might be working with. I think that the key that we found so far is that the sheer scale of the keywords that we can bring to bear for a given dealer allows them to accomplish really two things. One is volume. Typically the architecture we have built over the last years has tested as many as a billion keywords and when we typically talk to a new dealer, we will ask them, how many keywords have you been working with, with your previous solution? And we often get responses of 250 or 300. And typically when we light up a new account, we are talking about 20,000 keywords and that really has, as I said, two significant levers for that dealer. Number one is scale. We can drive a lot more traffic. And secondly, cost. Because the architecture we have built is really about mining the long tail as going for the many, many keywords that most people have overlooked, instead of going for the obvious ones which are ironically more expensive. So it gives it more scale. It also gives them a lower cost per VDP and cost per cost reduction activity. So we are really excited about what we are seeing in the marketplace so far. And Jason can maybe talk a little about the market sizing.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Sure. So I will do a quick top-down, Ralph. We believe that auto dealers spend several billion in searches in the $4 billion to $6 billion range in gross spend. And so if you think about the fees associated with that, if it were to all be outsourced, which is not because a lot of dealers will do it internally, then you are looking at $1 billion in round numbers. So that $1 billion of potential fees but again some of it's in-sourced, is really fragmented. There's a couple few businesses that are maybe approaching $100 million net revenue range and then there is a lot of businesses we refer to them as sort of local agencies to the dealers that are in the sub-$50 million, sub-$30 million net range. So it tends to skew toward franchise dealers. It tends to skew toward larger dealers. And so we are being smart about who we target for this. This is a rip and replace, as you have heard us say. So it's a longer sales cycle. On account level basis, it would take longer to ramp than Display. The flipside is, it's a higher ticket item than our Display product. And so we see an opportunity to build business here in our installed base that can really help accelerate our growth or contribute to our growth in the next several years when we reach meaningful penetration of our paying listing dealers.

Ralph Schackart

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

Great. Thank you Langley. Thanks Jason.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ron Josey with JMP Securities. Please state your question.

Ron Josey

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Great. Thanks. One question and just a quick follow-up. Great quarter. So just on the new product, Langley, you mentioned about regional and shipping future. And so you said it was nationwide shipping for select dealers and you mentioned select dealers specifically. So just wondering what does a dealer have to do to qualify for this feature? And then what is CarGurus, what are you all responsible for with this product? Are you planning the logistics and the shipping? Or are you actually taking the shipping on yourself? I am wondering only because this might broaden your market significantly. And also given users are buying these cars site unseen, wondering if there is a return policy? And then Jason, you mentioned on the AARSD question just now replacing an old quarter with new quarter and you have done better job of renewals. Just remind us on the better job you have done of renewals? What you have done to improve that? Thank you.

Sam Zales

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Hi Ron. It's Sam Zales. I will take the question related to what we call nationwide shipping. First I will echo a couple of comments that were made in the opening statements Langley made. We developed this offering at the understanding of consumer experience. So we found in certain geographies around the country, remote locations where a consumer was searching for vehicles and found a limited set in that particular region and you hope to provide the biggest search opportunity with the best dealer experience for those consumers. And we said, at a certain search level, a search criterion provided, not a significant number of searches, we could go to dealers in a surrounding area that can ship to that consumer directly and is already doing so in their general practice of their business and can do so very effectively, we could provide those searches of those vehicles outside of the area that could be shipped directly at no cost to those consumers. And so we built the product at a consumer experience space and went to dealers that already had the capability. We do not manage the logistics. I want to be clear about that. It is dealers who are already able to ship that vehicle to the consumer directly at a really positive consumer experience. So we built this with a 250 mile radius today and said to that consumer if the dealer is shipping the vehicle to that consumer, we will allow that dealer's vehicles to appear in those search results and we will be very clear to that consumer to say that the vehicle will be shipped to you. The price is included. Shipping fee is included or there is no shipping fee. And we let them know that it will be delivered to their doorstep. As with many companies in this industry, you know of the Vrooms and Carvanas, they have a return policy. Our partners that we work with today will honor a similar one. So the consumer, if they dissatisfied with the experience is able to return the vehicle. And we have seen a tremendous consumer positive experience in that regard of high ratings for that dealer experience and the dealers themselves getting the opportunity to put their vehicles in front of a broader consumer audience. That's great for their business, helps them close more business and helps CarGurus create a bigger subscription revenue stream from those dealers.

Ron Josey

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Sam, if I could follow-up real quick. Sorry to interrupt, Jason. Do you have a sense of your current traffic, how many folks actually look in 250-plus mile areas to begin with and are willing to travel to pick up the car themselves? Does that make sense?

Sam Zales

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

It does, Ron. I don't have the number in front of me. There are consumer that have the flexibility, obviously, with our platform to change the radius of their search and are willing to go and shop and we have seen this in international markets as well to drive to the dealership at out farther location. But we thought this particular consumer experience would provide both dealer and consumer with an optimized process of saying, I don't need to leave and drive 250 miles. The dealer is going to ship it to me directly. And that's been a big boon to both sides of the marketplace.

Ron Josey

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Sure. Thanks.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

So I will start to address your renewals question and then Sam may add to it. This is one of Sam's groups. So I will give him a second to breathe. So yes, I would say there are a few factors driving why I characterized us as getting better at it. The first is that we are becoming increasingly ROI driven and that's part of our messaging with the dealer. It's how we are trying to help educate the dealers. You have heard us talk about our ROI calculator and that sounds like a very simple thing but that's really in an education process that we have been taking them through for several quarters now and I think that's starting to resonate with them and that allows us to focus on the gross profit that we are driving to their dealership and on a relative basis, low-cost that they are paying us to achieve that gross profit. And that helps change the tenor of the discussion from, how could you increase me by X percent to, well, I wan to make sure every dollars I am spending I am getting X back. The second thing is I think our account teams are being more consultative. They are really partnering with the dealers to help them merchandise their cars better and understand the market drivers better and frankly just be more successful on our marketplace. I think the third factor is our scale is more obvious to dealers. There is more evidence from a variety of factors and from a variety of sources, rather, that just displays the facts that we are the leader and in the last few quarters have become the dominant leader. I think that helps the conversation. And then the last, we are sort of going back to our roots and using data to really predict dealer's success, but also dealer risk and identifying those dealers that are not seeing the success that we would like or are behaving in ways that we don't think could lead to success for them and we are being more proactive in addressing them in real time, rather than waiting for any sort of historical renewal cycle.

Ron Josey

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please state your question

Thank you Jason. Thank you Sam.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom White with D.A. Davidson. Please state your question.

Tom White

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please state your question

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the guidance. So you are raising the full year revenue guide well in excess of the 2Q beat. Just kind of curious what are the specific drivers of the improved implied outlook for the second half? Is it some of the AARSD strength from maybe new products? Is it maybe an increased piece of dealer addition from some of the investment field sales? And then just on audience. Obviously audience growth is spectacular. You talk about connections growth. Any sense you can quantify what the down funnel connections growth is that compares to the unique user growth? Thanks.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please state your question

Sure. Hi Tom, it's Jason. So on the guidance, we have had a really strong first half of the year. We believe will have ongoing strength in subscriptions. And so we have flowed through our first half strength through the second half of the year. We do acknowledge, as you have heard us say, that advertising revenue is based on campaign activity and promotion timing from OEMs and others and so that's less predictable. So our guidance raise has been, I would say, principally on the backs of the first half strength and I believe that our audience growth that we have been seeing now is impacting renewals that we are doing now, which will support strengthen the second half. As far uniques and audience and how they relate to connections, it's a good observation. I mean, there is not 100% correlation by any means between connection volume and audience growth. And, in fact, as I have said, one of the biggest new influences in our business is brand spend in Q2 this year versus Q2 last year and as I am sure you see in other businesses, television-based or mass-market media-based brand advertising tends to attract a higher funnel shopper than search does. And so those are likely going to be, not likely, but they are often unique to our less ready to convert right away. You have seen that our sessions per unique has stayed fairly stable. And so that hasn't had a huge influence on it yet but it is changing the shape a little bit of our audience. And as a result, we are not going to have lockstep audience growth and connection growth. The other thing too is that not all connections are created equal and dealer's value certain types of connections more than others and user behavior changes over time. It changes with mobile platforms and it changes with site, changes that we may make. It changes with how dealers might be encouraging users to connect with them and how they respond to different types of connections. So there's several factors that go into it. Our goal is to not necessarily just maximize connections, but it's to maximize the right kind of connections. So we think about it as quantity and quality, not just quantity. But suffice to say, with such strong audience growth we are seeing really strong connection growth and that's supporting dealer ROI and renewals.

Tom White

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please state your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Aaron Kessler with Raymond James. Please state your question.

Aaron Kessler

Analyst · Raymond James. Please state your question

Yes. Hi guys. Just a couple of questions. First, you may mentioned before, but if you can provide some update and latest thoughts on your price testing and how that may evolve here? And second just maybe your general philosophy in reinvesting upside on revenue? It looks like you had obviously good upside in Q2. I thought that some of that was reinvested kind of across operating expenses. And then how we should think about maybe our leverage over near to intermediate term as well? Thank you.

Sam Zales

Analyst · Raymond James. Please state your question

Hi Aaron, it's Sam Zales. I will take price testing and turn it to Jason on revenue. I think I had mentioned maybe a quarter or two go. We were in the first inning of price testing, so may be we were in the bottom of the first or the top of the second. We have had great success thus far in test mode of looking at different pricing and packaging arrangements. I think Jason hit it well in the last question that we are starting with an ROI-based analysis of all of our renewals pricing, of all of our new product pricing and understanding the ROI we are driving to dealers. And that as foundation is very different than our history of looking at things like a lead-based pricing model. And so we are getting much more sophisticated about our understanding of the impact of the connections we are driving and the value we are driving to dealers. We are testing things, as I had mentioned, as auction-based models, pay-for-performance models and we are still in the early innings. You are seeing the success of some of that reflected in the AARSD growth, but it's too early to say that we have a perfected model of one or several of those that will be used permanently as we move forward. I think this is going to be an iterative process where we continue to find that incremental growth to our pricing and packaging strategies and will hopefully reflect that in ongoing AARSD growth for the business. If we keep driving the connection growth, we know we are driving ROI and we can keep testing models that reflect a better balance of the value we are driving to dealers versus the price they pay for the subscription.

Aaron Kessler

Analyst · Raymond James. Please state your question

Got it.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · Raymond James. Please state your question

Aaron, it's Langley. I will take the one on reinvestment. So I think Jason alluded to in his earlier remarks that our focus on reinvestment when we over-deliver on revenue is to really to focus on probably two things. Number one is, obviously, technology. We believe that our core competitive advantage against all our competitors is in fact technology. So we are building up our tech team as fast as we can to push new products into the marketplace. But up and above that and probably at least in the near term, more significantly is really brand. Our consumer marketing team has done a great job of digging in and exploring offline, TV, more TV than radio, although there is going to be some radio testing as well, but principally TV branding. And the earlier returns have been really encouraging in terms of both aided and unaided awareness. We feel like we have a real point of differentiation from a product standpoint against our competitors. And so we feel this is the best time to stake our claim in the marketplace and reinvest whatever dollars we have where we over performance into building that brand.

Aaron Kessler

Analyst · Raymond James. Please state your question

Got it. Great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Kurnos with The Benchmark Company. Please state your question.

Dan Kurnos

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Great. Thanks. Jason, I don't want to mischaracterize, as you said earlier, but just going back to on the dealer add side, as you kind of go through the renewal process, pace of adds domestically, I think people are kind of wondering sort of where the saturation point eventually occurs and while that's still probably a fairways off, it sounds like maybe not as aggressive with some intentional decisions on your part either not to renew or not to push the bad actors, as you put it. Is that a fair characterization? And then on the international side, as you guys really start to get a lot more penetrated into the marketplace, more brand awareness, just love to get your sense on either how competitors are reacting to you guys thus far? When you launch in a new market like this, now that you are more of a known quantity, how quick people are to react to the marketplace ? Thanks.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Sure. The first part of your question, I am happy to take. What was the reference to bad actors, though? I missed that.

Dan Kurnos

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Yes. So I think the concert was renewals that you guys go through the process, I think you referenced earlier and maybe I am mistaken in sort of your comments, but just in terms of the dealers you don't think are necessarily good actors are or doing well with the data or however you characterized it earlier. I am just trying to get a sense that if there is some sort of intentional, I don't want to call it churn, but I guess it's kind of really what it is if you guys are growing the U.S. dealer count, if that's kind of limiting may be pace of adds over near-term as you go through the renewal process?

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Got it. Okay. So yes, I think if I used the term bad actors, I don't remember using that. But we certainly don't necessarily think about it as that. We think about it more as that we are getting to a place where we are delivering the scale and the quality that is leading the market and that we should be compensated in a way that is still a resoundingly positive ROI for the dealer, but that is in line with what the market is supporting for that sort of pricing. And so we do, I guess, walk away from dealers who are not willing to pay what we believe are fair market prices and still frankly more what attractive unit pricing than a lot of other options out there. It's not so much that they are a bad actor, per se, in terms of having nefarious activity. In terms of the new dealer adds, the first thing I would say, is we think about our dealer, our available dealer pool right now is about 90,000 dealers across all the markets that we are in. And so we are just bumping up against 30,000 of 90,000-plus, sort of 90,000 to 100,000 in all of our markets. So with that measuring stick, we are at a third or less than a third of penetration and we feel that we have a long way to go. On a market-by-market basis, we look at it by segments where we still see a lot of opportunity, but in an aggregate level in the U.S., we do expect and have signaled that we are going to see a percentage growth slowdown as we achieve more market penetration. If you look at some of our larger competitors, they are in the, call it, 20,000 to 22,000 paying dealer range and we are up at much higher than that. And so we always refer to it as uncharted territory and we think, because of our business model differences, we appeal to a larger set of dealers. How far we get into that 45,000 or so in the U.S. remains to be seen. We are targeting to still exceed 30,000 and we think we will get there but we are not going to steam there at the same pace and then just stop. It's going to moderate as we go. But I think the key theme for us is, how do we build products at a platform level that can work for the 90,000 to 100,000 dealers and soon more as we ultimately launch more countries. And in the meanwhile, we are going to expect to be paid a market rate. And so we have a freemium product and dealers are welcome to stay on that freemium product. But if they are going to enjoy the benefits of paying, then they will need to pay reasonable fares for that.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Yes. Dan, it's Langley. So to take your second question about, I think you asked more about international reaction to our product in those markets. We have seen in the Canada and the U.K., the incumbents react to our transparency. And to take a page out of my past history when was at TripAdvisor, we saw some of our competitors and actually even customers start putting hotel reviews on their websites when TripAdvisor became so popular. And I will cut to the punch line, our competitors actually started putting user reviews up. They would put positive reviews. They wouldn't put any negative reviews because they were worried merchants being upset. And so some of our competitors are doing that. They are putting, when a car is great deal, they will highlight that on the VDP, but they won't talk about when the car is a bad deal. My reaction to that, is consumers aren't stupid. They will see-through when you are doing semi-transparency, is kind of what I would call it. Some of our other competitors are taking even more seriously and they are showing both good and bad deal analysis on the VDPs. But more importantly and I think this is where it cuts to perhaps their business model, they are unwilling to change their search order to rank the cars where the best deals show up at the top of search results. And the analogy I will give on that one is, when Yahoo was out in the marketplace with Inktomi and they were making all that money on paid inclusion and then Google came along with Google PageRank and said, well, no, I am not going to sort the links based on who pays me the most money. I am going to sort them based on this…

Dan Kurnos

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Please state your question

Thanks Langley. Thanks Jason.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Mahaney with RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question

Hi. Thanks for including me. I just want to ask a blue sky question. If we think about 90,000 dealers or 100,000 dealers worldwide and long-term what that, if you put the North American or the U.S. AARSD on that, that's a pretty big market. So just talk about the structural differences between the AARSD you are seeing in the U.S. and in international markets? And I know the international AARSD you have now is a lot lower than the U.S. AARSD, but it's also blending in a lot of countries. Are the curves that you are seeing there in AARSD growth in Canada and the U.K., the oldest international markets, do they look like what you have seen in the U.S.? Are there any instructional reasons why long-term international AARSD shouldn't rise up much closer to U.S. levels than it is today? Thank you.

Jason Trevisan

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question

I can start this one. Hi Mark. So then, first of all, the 90,000 is the markets that we are in right now. So obviously that becomes bigger if and when we enter other countries. In terms of why it's different? For us right now, I would say the biggest driver to that is just our size in those markets. And so if you think about it on a connection per dealer basis, we are just driving far fewer connections per dealer in those markets than we are in the U.S. right now. And so if you look back at our U.S. business, connections per dealer has grown considerably. There is a period when you are adding both dealers and adding connections, growing connections such that a connection per dealer metric becomes harder to grow. But once you have onboarded a good portion of dealers, free or paid and then you just start continuing to grow connections, then you see that metric go up. There are two structural things that I would say. The first is that different markets just have different unit pricing in the market and some are higher than the U.S., some are lower than the U.S. And I think that's a function of the dealer P&L models, including the dealer and OEM relationship infrastructure. So that's something that I think will drive the ultimate potential of revenue per connection in our eyes. The second thing is consumer behavior. So in some markets, consumers are more inclined or willing to use a listing site to connect with a dealer and other times they are less inclined. And in those markets where they are less inclined, marketplace providers need to think of more of an advertising, like an advertising heavy model. So there is a couple of structural things, but I would say, first and foremost, it's our maturity and size in the market.

Mark Mahaney

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your question

Okay. Thanks Jason.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are further questions at this time. I will now turn this call back to management for closing remarks. Thank you.

Langley Steinert

Analyst · William Blair. Please state your question

We didn't have anything to add but we certainly appreciate all of the input, all of the interests, the great questions and thanks everyone for your time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a great day.