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Camden National Corporation (CAC)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 25, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to Camden National Corporation’s Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Emily and I’ll be your operator for today’s call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements which involve significant risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to vary materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements are described in the company’s earnings press release and supplemental earnings material, the company’s 2022 Annual report on Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the forward-looking statements made. Any references in today’s presentation to non-GAAP financial measures are intended to provide meaningful insights and are reconciled with GAAP in your press release. Today’s presenters are Greg Dufour, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Archer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please note that this event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Greg Dufour. Please go ahead, sir.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Thank you, Emily, and welcome, everyone, to Camden National Corporation’s Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. I’ll provide a few opening comments and then turn the discussion over to Mike Archer. Earlier today, we reported net income of $12.4 million for the second quarter of 2023, down 3% from $12.7 million we reported for the first quarter of $23. On an EPS basis, we reported $0.85 per diluted share, down $0.02 from the first quarter of ‘23. We continue to see the impact of rising interest rates and the inverted yield curve on our operating results. As I shared at last quarter’s earnings call, our focus has been on deposits and our liquidity, our margin and asset quality. From an update perspective, our loan-to-deposit ratio remained flat at 88% when comparing the second and first quarters of 2023. Our net interest margin was 2.4% for the quarter, within our estimates, but down from 2.54% reported during the first quarter of the year. Asset quality continues to remain strong with nonperforming assets to total assets at 9 basis points. Loan growth for the quarter was 1%, a significant decrease from growth rates seen in recent quarters. As we discussed in our last call, this was done purposefully to reduce the reliance on higher-cost borrower funds and to benefit our net interest margin as well as to maintain our loan-to-deposit ratio. Our sales teams remain focused on deposit generation and they continue to review loan opportunities that are appropriately priced and high quality. At the same time, we are confident our sales and support teams are very well positioned to increase our lending activities when interest rates and market conditions align. From a general perspective, like many areas in the country, we are seeing solid consumer-driven activities, including tourism, which should support our seasonal deposit activity. Business activity is also strong, but we continue to see labor challenges affecting many of our business customers. The residential mortgage market has slowed, driven by both the impact of interest rates as well as low inventory levels. Although pricing competition for deposits remains fierce, we are satisfied with our ability to retain deposits and win other relationships in this environment. It’s been a while since I’ve used the term, keeping our powder dry on one of our earnings calls. But I believe this is the best course of action as we see what Fed action will take over the next few months. As I noted earlier, deposits and liquidity, the margin and asset quality continue to be our priorities. And coupled with our strong capital levels, we believe our focus on these priorities positions us well when the interest rate environment stabilizes, the yield curve improves, and we have a clearer line of sight to overall economic activity. In short, we are managing our organization for the long term for both our shareholders and customers. I’d now like to introduce Mike Archer.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Thank you, Greg, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we reported quarterly earnings of $12.4 million and diluted EPS of $0.85, which were down 3% and 2%, respectively, on a linked-quarter basis. Earnings were lower primarily due to the net interest margin compression of 14 basis points between quarters to 2.4% for the second quarter. Our return on average assets and our return on average tangible equity followed to and were also down quarter-over-quarter. For the second quarter of 2023, our return on average assets was 0.87% and a return on average tangible equity was 13.55%. The decrease in our earnings and profitability reflects the current interest rate environment and inverted yield curve. However, we remain on strong financial footing backed by a strong balance sheet with sufficient levels of capital and reserves. We also continue to have a healthy liquidity position that included access to $1.4 billion of funding, which was 2x the amount of uninsured and uncollateralized deposits as of June 30. Net interest income for the second quarter of 2023 totaled $32.7 million a decrease of 5% compared to the first quarter of 2023. As noted earlier, our net interest margin decreased 14 basis points between quarters as funding costs continue to rise due to increased interest rates including a 50 basis point increase in the Fed funds rate in the first quarter and another 25 basis points increase in the second quarter. Although higher interest rates benefited our asset yield, which increased 20 basis points between quarters to 4.12% for the second quarter, the increase of funding costs due to higher interest rates more than offset the benefit. Funding costs increased 36 basis points between quarters and reached 1.81% for the second quarter of 2023, which represented a beta of 73.6% for the quarter. Our cumulative…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Steve Moss with Raymond James. Steve, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Steve Moss

Analyst

Good afternoon.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Hi, Steve.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Hi, Steve.

Steve Moss

Analyst

Maybe just starting with the margin here. How is it going? On the margin here, I do appreciate the derivatives have definitely helped here moderating margin pressure, and you added another one this quarter. Just kind of curious how are you feeling about the outlook for the margin in the current deposit environment.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Yes. So I think from a margin perspective, Steve, as you think about next quarter, we’re kind of in the sort of a 240 right now. We’re thinking flat plus or minus 5 to 10 basis points. I would say it’s probably a bit broader range than we’ve historically given. But I think part of it depends on what the Fed does here in a few days. You also were in the seasonal deposit flows. And so we’re seeing that come in, something we’re continuing to watch and monitor. I think the other item is just the deposit mix shift that we continue to see or have seen and how much does that continue? So I think right now, we feel pretty good around the 240 range, but we could see that be slightly higher or lower.

Steve Moss

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate that. And in terms of loan pricing here, just kind of curious what – where loan yields are coming on for new originations these days?

Mike Archer

Analyst

Sure. So for the Second quarter, our new originations came on, I think, on a weighted basis, around 7%, a little over 7%, I think with 7.10% out at me. From a pipeline perspective, we’re largely at 7% or over – well over 7% now. I think our commercial CRE portfolio is somewhere in the neighborhood of 7.5% plus. And I want to say the residential pipeline is 7.25% or slightly over. So as we’ve talked about, we are – we have been very prudent on the growth side and anything that we’re putting on our books, we’re really trying to make sure that we get the right rate and price for it. As you know, a function of that, of course, is just the lag effect where think 45 to 60 days, call it for these loans to come on.

Steve Moss

Analyst

Right. Okay. That’s helpful. And then just one more for me. Just on the loan growth, it did moderate this quarter, but still not a bad pace given a more challenging environment. Just kind of curious, do you think it would be further moderation from current levels? Or low to mid-single digits annualized rate, maybe a decent run rate for the second half of the year?

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Yes. It’s Greg. Stephen. I’d say it probably lower loan growth, single-digit. We felt pretty good, honestly, about 1%. Again, we know we are pushing ourselves away from the table primarily on pricing to really focus on the margin. So we’re not necessarily focused on the loan growth yet.

Mike Archer

Analyst

Steve, the only thing I might add there to…

Steve Moss

Analyst

Alright. Thanks very much for all the color.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Damon DelMonte with KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Hey. Good afternoon guys. I hope you both are doing well today. So, I just wanted to kind of circle back on the margin – good to hear. Just wanted to circle back on the margin commentary. So, assuming that the Fed raises rates at least one more time, like tomorrow, I think its tomorrow is the meeting. Does that – how does that play into your commentary, Mike, about like is that going to benefit the margin, or do you think that’s going to put you more on the lower end of the range?

Mike Archer

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

I mean I think the Fed increase, it will certainly put a little more pressure on the funding side, certainly from a – both from the deposits, of course the borrowing side as well. We – some of the swaps that we have done and just the pricing will help neutralize some of that impact. But I think that’s a bit of – that coupled with the seasonal deposit flows, we do anticipate a level of that, which should help out on the lower cost deposits for this quarter, Damon. So, I think that’s when we think about margin for next quarter or the third quarter. I think those are the various variables that we are considering where we are saying, hey, we think 2.40% is probably a pretty good midpoint of where we may land plus or minus some basis points there. But I think it’s all those factors that we are baking in and knowing that another Fed rate I could certainly isn’t going to help from an immediate funding perspective.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay. And do you happen to have the spot margin as of – for the month of June?

Mike Archer

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

For June, our monthly margin was 2.38%, I believe.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. Thank you. And then as we think about the slower pace of loan growth and we think about the strong credit quality trends you guys exhibit, should we think about minimal provisioning in the back half of this year, kind of maybe just targeting keeping that loan loss reserve flat at 90 basis points, is that reasonable?

Mike Archer

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Yes. I think I mean certainly, if the macro environment stays like it is, I think that 90 basis points reserve, again, it could move up or down slightly, but I think that’s a pretty good spot for us right now.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then on the fee income side, it sounded like you feel pretty comfortable with this quarter’s level, so that’s probably a reasonable run rate and it doesn’t seem to be a lot of noise this quarter.

Mike Archer

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

No. I think the $10 million is a pretty good run rate for it’s kind of something like we saw this quarter.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. That’s all that I had. Thank you very much.

Greg Dufour

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

You’re welcome.

Mike Archer

Analyst · KBW. Damon, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Matthew Breese with Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Hey. Good afternoon. I was just curious, as you kind of monitor deposit flows throughout the quarter, was there anything that you could kind of provide more color on in regards to how demand deposit flows, kind of worked their way month-by-month? Was there any sort of intensification of run off towards the end of the quarter versus the beginning or start to subside?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

I don’t – I mean nothing sticks out at me, Matt. I would say one of the things that we just continue to watch is, particularly on the consumer side, just average balances, we saw that really peak or the pandemic. And one of the areas that we are seeing pressure on is just those average balances pull down in this environment. So, I think that’s one of the big variables that are out there. We are seeing the seasonal deposit flows on the business side, which we would expect, but one thing that we continue to monitor is the consumer side and what happens there. And I think to that end, the other reality is we are also monitoring our accounts, and we continue to see the number of accounts grow on that basis. So, we are not seeing, call it, customer outflow in that regard.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay. And then maybe on the – just going back to the NIM and trying to get a little bit of a longer term outlook. The 2.40% NIM plus or minus, do you feel like that’s a good place to model through the end of the year, maybe into early 2024? And at what point as you look at your internal models, do you start to see expansion in loan yields start to overtake incrementally higher deposit costs?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Yes. It’s a good question. I think probably 2.40% is probably a pretty decent spot from a modeling perspective for the remainder of the year. As we get into the winter months for us, the seasonal flows start to go a little bit the other way. So, there is a little bit of generally lumpiness in just margin between Q4 and Q1 as we get back into Q2. But I think the reality is when we start seeing rates start to go down and that inversion start to not be as steep as when we start to see that real benefit on the margin.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then is there any sort of additional thought around additional balance sheet restructures, either securities or in the loan portfolio to help believe you at some of these NIM-related pressures and how do you think about that?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

I guess what I would say, Matt, is I think we are constantly looking at everything, just part of the normal process that we go through. So, I don’t want to say anything is off the table at this point. We will continue to look at that. This is a normal do process. Understanding right now, certainly the investment portfolio is – continues to weigh down our margin. So, the short answer is yes, we will continue to look at that.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Okay. Last one for me. Just I saw you repurchased a little bit of stock this quarter. Anything to read into that or was just that managing kind of overall share count?

Mike Archer

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

No, I think it’s just us being opportunistic. I mean when the time comes – we did a small tranche, and we are certainly being cautious from a capital perspective. But I think when the price makes sense for us, we will be opportunistic in the market. So, I guess that’s how I would read into that.

Matthew Breese

Analyst · Stephens. Matthew, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay. Understood. I will leave it there. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

As we have no further questions, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Greg Dufour for any closing remarks.

Greg Dufour

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you, and everybody, I want to thank you for being on the call and taking interest in the company, and have a great day. Take care.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.