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Baozun Inc. (BZUN)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 21, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by for Baozun's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the management's prepared remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the meeting over to your host for today's call Ms. Wendy Sun, Investor Relations Director of Baozun. Please proceed, Wendy.

Wendy Sun

Management

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Baozun's third quarter 2019 earnings release was distributed earlier today and is available on our IR website at ir.baozun.com as well as on Global Newswire services. On the call today from Baozun, we have Mr. Vincent Qiu, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Junhua Wu, Chief Growth Officer; and Mr. Robin Lu, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Qiu will review business operations and company highlights, followed by Mr. Lu, who will discuss financial and guidance. They will all be available to answer your questions during the Q&A session that follows. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended and as defined in the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminologies such as will, expects, anticipates, future, intends, plans, believes, estimates, target, going forward, outlook and similar statements. Such statements are based upon management's current expectations and current market and operating conditions and relate to events that involve known or unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the company's control, which may cause the company's actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Further information regarding these and other risks, uncertainties or factors are included in the company's filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required under applicable law. Finally, please note that unless otherwise stated, all figures mentioned during this conference call are in RMB. It is now my pleasure to introduce our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Vincent Qiu. Vincent, please go ahead.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Thank you, Wendy and thanks to everyone for joining our earnings call today. E-commerce in China continues to show tremendous resilience, despite the challenging macroeconomic environment, and it's today more active and innovative than it's ever before, ever be. Chinese consumers' purchasing power and average spending per person increases. According to National Bureau of Statistics, e-commerce remains a major driving force in China's greater economy, with e-commerce sales accounting for over a fifth of the country's retail sales. We have been capitalizing on all aspects of this growth and we continue to leverage our leading position as an enabler within the e-commerce space to empower brand to achieve healthy, high-quality and a sustainable growth. During the quarter, GMV growth 43% year-over-year with net revenue of RMB1.5 billion, an increase of 45%. We are seeing China e-commerce shifting more towards marketing campaigns or event driven sales. Therefore low season like the third quarter that falls between June '18 in the Singles Day, consumers tend to wait for the next upcoming events for everything other than necessary day-to-day goods. This creates a period of slow seasonality in between sales periods, which is especially true for the small home appliance categories, which form a integral part of our distribution model. Despite this impact, revenue from product sales still grew a solid 31% during the quarter We continued to make a significant progress in brand acquisition and ramping up new brand operations. During the quarter, we added a net of 11 new brands with a continued focus on generating high quality and a sustainable growth, GMV growth, which brings the total number of brand partners to 223 compared to 132 a year ago. The newly added brands are mainly in the high premium apparel and FMCG categories. In particular, we signed on board half…

Robin Lu

Management

Thanks Vincent. We are glad to see incremental contribution to GMV from newly acquired brands of the ramp up, and more encouragingly we are capitalizing number of emerging opportunities, which leave us very optimistic about future growth prospects. We believe these solid results validate our strategic decision to optimize our brand portfolio towards higher quality growth and to reinvent our profit to capture select emerging opportunities. This new emerging opportunities not only improved adding brand partners but more strategically enhance new categories, new channels, and a new approach to digital marketing. In the third quarter we expanded our warehouse capacities for high premium standards. Set up marketing of the sales forces dedicated category and the integrated IT systems with Alibaba Luxury Pavilion. These investments are quickly paying off as reflected in addition of a half a dozen brands in the premium and our affordable luxury sector. Furthermore, we are expanding the services we offer for WeChat Mini Program ecosystem. As we have discussed before in the last few quarters, we have helped many brands develop mini app that would be ideal for branding, marketing and effort we are taking deeper engagement with consumers. Mini programs are widely viewed as a brand [indiscernible] stores. We are working to enhance our ability to drive traffic acquisition, social networking, scenario based initiatives and the market in which extension O2O or smart retail initiative just a top brands with omnichannel inheritance retail. Thus far in the fourth quarter, we will sell some key brands to give add up more active mini app business which we will share more in our next earnings call. We are excited about this emerging opportunities which we believe will acquire superior technological capability more interactive marketing tools and the innovative type of acquisition of which Baozun is well positioned…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tian Hou of T.H. Capital. Please go ahead.

Tian Hou

Analyst

Thank you, management for pickup of my questions. The question is related to the micro. So, I look at the guidance and little bit still weaker than the consensus expectation. So, you guys in the front line of business operation. Do you see any weakness of economies impact on China’s luxury brands consumption? So that is the first question. The second one is going forward, what is your brand pipelines, how many do we expect to add in Q4 and into next year. That's my two questions. Thank you so much.

Robin Lu

Management

Sure, Tian it’s Robin. Let me answer your question. In the public data, you may say, yes there is some weakness in China economy, especially in the second half of this year, but we do think the e-commerce is kind of very resilient as Vincent addressed me in his prepared remarks. However, I think in some certain category in e-commerce for example in the best fashion, we do see the sale of the Bikinis in Q4, even though overall we think across the category, we are pretty balanced, well-balanced of the growth, some of certain categories like you will see some weakness. It’s what we can say right now, but regarding the revenue in Q4. I think the first one, I think is kind of what we expected in back in the early of this year when we issued the guidance you remember is RMB7.2 billion is in line with our early guidance because we have our larger pie of the GMV coming from the new brands and based on our nature of the business, when we grab one brand, we normally, we will only provide operations in the very beginning. And then we will add up some other services like digital marketing, like logistics like data analysis, services like customer services to them, so we can penetrate more of the services in the longer-term. So this one really have some impact in short-term about our revenue generation in Q4. So I think that’s my answer for your first question. Regarding the second question, I think as you remember, we’re expecting. We have 40 new net brands adding up in this year and right now until September 30, we already had 38 and we are expecting more than 45 in this year and for 2020, we don’t have a number yet. But based on our very strong pipeline, we think we can very optimistic about next year's new brands acquisition. Thank you.

Tian Hou

Analyst

Thank you, Robin.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Alicia Yap of Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Alicia Yap

Analyst

Hello, can you hear me, yes.

Wendy Sun

Management

Hi, good evening.

Alicia Yap

Analyst

Yes, good evening, thanks for taking my questions. To follow-up a little bit on the previous questions, so I understand a bit on the GMV growth versus the revenue, the debt that difference. And then should that actually continue into the next quarter, meaning like faster GMV versus the revenue growth. Will that continue into the next few quarters and then for and had a quick questions is on the sales and marketing understanding management give a few kind of quick reasons, but if you can elaborate a little bit more detail, the reasons behind the higher than expected sales and marketing spend this quarter and then how should we think about the sales and marketing for the fourth quarter and into the 2020? Thank you.

Robin Lu

Management

Sure. Thank you. It's Robin again. Yes, I think let me take the second question first. About sales and market, I think while we break down to the increase of sales market, I think there's three reasons. The first one is basically we have our slow season in third quarter especially in second part of the third quarter and some of our brands get the start early warm-up for the big, the large sales, which is Singles Day and they invest more in marketing spending. So that's a one reason. The second reason is, we have lots of new brands, especially we set up the dedicated team for the high premium brands which add-up some related cost in sales and marketing. The third reason is pretty normal as we've talked before, we have a very significant growth in the digital marketing services which has a lower margin for example, we start to do the service for some very famous international brand in the shop which you know really drive up the revenue, but still have some impact on our marketing spending. So your - so what's your first question?

Alicia Yap

Analyst

Yes, the first question is the delta between the GMV growth rate this quarter versus the revenue growth rate, you did mention a little bit on the reasons why GMV growth is faster. So I'm just wondering, into the next few quarters. Will this kind of this delta continue?

Robin Lu

Management

Yes, I think the way it was getting better as you remember to know, we've started to adjust our GMV to pursue the high growth profile and I think we’re in the right path to do that, we are expecting, we can get, to since better and better in the later few quarter especially for the next year.

Alicia Yap

Analyst

Okay, all right, thank you.

Robin Lu

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Natalie Wu of CICC. Please go ahead.

Natalie Wu

Analyst

Hi, good evening, Vincent and Robin thanks for taking my question. Actually I have two questions. First one is for the Mini app initiative. I noticed that you started that some kind of the trial regarding the Mini app we're saying the WeChat ecosystem for your existing app brands or new partners. Just wondering for the Mini app related initiatives compared with some peers specializing in this business for many years. What kind of the competitive advantage a person has that can differentiate yourself from them and that’s my first question. Second one is that do you plan that termination of the contract with popular domestic cellphone brand. So I'm just wondering can we have some colors on the GMV topline and the margin outlook moving into next year. And should we expect the high base effect into the early 2020 and then followed by an acceleration in the second half? Thank you.

Robin Lu

Management

Sure. Yes, let me take the second question first. Yes, one of the actually now we are just constructing our forecast and our target for the next year and we are very, very optimistic about our GMV growth even though take the electric brand, we stopped service into the consideration. Maybe that's a right path and in a number. Our growth rate will be naturally affected a little bit in the first half year and we'll get it normal for the second half of the year, of next year, but the just now I said based on our the new brands we acquired this year and based on our strong pipeline, we think, we are very optimistic about our GMV growth for the next year, we will give you more color for the next earnings call. And about the Mini program. The first question, I would like to spend a couple of minutes to give you more color about that, we strategically, we think Mini program is one of our future growth driver. The reason for that is two reasons, the first one we think Mini program is kind of like a very revolutionary e-commerce system compared with so-called traditional e-commerce system in the existing platforms. For example, we can do more our larger scope of services in this ecosystem. We can do with the membership management, very easy to convert to the auto business and also we can do the IT Solutions to end-to-end service based on the flat system we developed in the past two years. And also we can do the CRM system and the traffic acquisition, marketing spending, something like that. So we, we do spend some energy in resources in these new initiatives. And the second one is we have very competitive advantage compared with the existing peers because we are kind of like the brand service professionals and we have a very good combination between the technology and operations capabilities. And for example most recently we acquired leading retailer, the international retailer that we compete with the existing strong competitor already stayed in this e-commerce system for long years, but we win. So we think, we are very confident for this future.

Natalie Wu

Analyst

Got it.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Hi, Natalie. Let me just add some more color on this one. The first question about Mini app, I think Baozun, we are quite strong traditionally in the brand official stores, so no matter the data system and also back-end logistics are very strong, so Mini app is just a front-end, new front-end of the official web store actually, so we can very much leverage on the strengths of our branded store capability and then to compete with others. So we’re quite confident on that, and we are closely monitor the new functionalities from the intention side. We work very closely with them, for example, the auto industry thereabouts we released. Our team is very actively working with them. So in this case for the big brands and also users, we are much stronger than the other players in the market. Thank you.

Natalie Wu

Analyst

Got it. Thank you, Vincent and Robin.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of John Choi of Diawa. Please go ahead.

John Choi

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. I have two questions here. Now, if you look into the fourth quarter guidance, I think you guys already touched based on the discrepancy between GMV and revenue growth here, but if I could a little - go a little bit deep further here. Do we, should we be expecting for the existing brands to see a similar take rate and as Robin you mentioned the new brands, it will take some time. And over the course of quarters, the take rate should eventually recover on a sequential manner, I just wanted to double confirm that. That's my first question. Second question is could management share some the roadmap for your Cloud offering particularly, I know that you guys have been investing quite a lot on the Cloud infrastructure and also on the software side, so what is the adoption rate and what's the brands response so far and how do you think you will further develop it from here? Thank you.

Robin Lu

Management

Sure, yes I confirm, yes. I mean - when you look back over our history, when we acquire brands. The larger the brand is the slower the ramp-up of the revenue, that's correct. And the second question, can you just say again, your second question, please?

John Choi

Analyst

I was asking on the cloud development. So, what are the progress this year? And can you share, I mean, well, how much among your brands, what's the adoption rate and what's the further development plan?

Vincent Qiu

Management

Okay. So for this question, yes, we are - we are actually on two tracks. First track is that we are developing a bunch of software and tools for future use. And in the meanwhile, some of the matured tools already adopted in the daily operation of other stores. I can say that I think early next year, most of the stores, around 300 stores, we will all adopt. The recent development, let's say, ROSS tools, which is the store operation automation tools, which can help greatly uplift the efficiency of the stores. This is just an example. The others, I mean, meanwhile, the tools and software itself, we will be continuously upgrading from time to time. So, that is the other track. So, we continue to invest in the software infrastructures and tools. And in the meanwhile, we are quite positive about the rollout and deployment of all these tools. And most importantly, the measurements of the value return from this kind of investment is already setup in the technology department. And we're seeing more and more positive feedbacks from the front end.

Robin Lu

Management

Yes, just now we talked about the mini program, the - for the brands, where is there for the existing brands and newly acquired brands. We utilized our SaaS-based system we developed in 2018 and the projects that, the end-to-end e-commerce service solutions for these brands in the mini programs. So, it's pretty successful now.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Joyce Ju of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Joyce Ju

Analyst

I actually got a question related to the Luxury Pavilion and also the category expansion in terms of luxury or premium brands. Just want to get an update with the progress of, like, may.com and end quarter, and also, like, for the specific categories, you earlier mentioned in the press release - sorry, in your opening remarks that you actually signed half a dozen of premium brands. Could you actually elaborate a bit more, like, what business model we are adopting and what's the potential GMV revenue potential? And also, what's the take rate business model and the profit outlook for these brands?

Vincent Qiu

Management

Okay. So, let me address your question. So, before getting deeper, so let me explain you about the three business model of our Luxury Pavilion. So, the first model is a single brand flagship store; just like we're helping a lot of independent brand open their flagship store on Luxury Pavilion, that's a category. The second business model is a multi-brand collection store, just like [indiscernible] mentioned about [indiscernible]. The third business model is a, like a Timo self-operated platform, just like you mentioned that may.com could be one example. So, in this quarter, we've been developing a strong pipeline and we fulfilled a lot of new clients. Among our 11 new brands, over 50% of our pipeline came from a luxury premium brands, and they contributed a significant GMV in Q3. So, in that part, we can see a very upcoming and very promising trend in this category. And, of course, in this Luxury Pavilion operations, there are a lot of benefits for helping our flagship - single brand flagship stores to be more harmonized with Luxury Pavilion resources. And it's also very important for us to really help Timo to run their self-operated platform, like, may.com, something like that. So, this is a very unique business model and we can take a lot of advantages if we can imagine to expand to more categories, helping, running their business on Timo. And for multi-brands collections store, it also provides a way to connect with our existing single brand flagship store, to help to just make sure we can put all the product lifecycle status, for example, like a new arrival in light off season and clearance across different platforms, not even - not only just provide sales in a single brand flagship store, but also can connect the traffic and engage different cost tiers consumers in their multi-brand collection store. So, we have foreseen in the next quarter, in the next year, this pipeline and this category will continue very strong. And overall take rate in this category is naturally higher than the other category; like, Fast Fashion or women's or men's, something like that.

Robin Lu

Management

Yes. And also, so, we believe that in the coming two, three years, the luxury industry, luxury category will be the hottest category on the Timo platform. So, we are - we put a lot of resources on this category. And also, today where you are clear leading position in this category, so I think we will benefit a lot from the development of this industry in the coming years.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Exactly.

Joyce Ju

Analyst

May I have a quick follow-up in terms of, like, Vincent, you mentioned, actually, you invest a lot resources in these categories. Could you actually elaborate a bit what percentage of, like, expenses or what kind of preparations you have made and invest for this category? And when we should expect we starting to see positive returns on those investments?

Wendy Sun

Management

I think that's a [phenomenal] question. I think the first one - I mean, yes, when we talk about Luxury; I think, for us, that's not very accurate concept. I think the way I talk about high premium; for example, I have some light luxury brands also included in this category, internally. The second one about the investment, it's a different area. The first one, and usually we upgrade our warehousing equipment as we mentioned in our remarks. And also, we have a plan to have some CapEx spending time-by-time, so that we can strengthen our competition in these certain categories, which make some certain amount of money to do. Of course, probably in the fulfillment, you'll see margin traction in Q3. The reason for that is, we started to do some investment. Some of the investment has been capitalized and then some of it has been expensed in the fulfillment. And on the other way, we have a very disciplined cost control program in our fulfillment. So, in the end, in the numbers, you'll see the average for that. Maybe in the Q4 you can see some investments for our fulfillment. That's the first part. The second part is the sales and marketing. We have some - couple of million dollars - sorry, million RMB for the dedicated team to set up, specially for these categories. And in the technology for each program, and for the connection with Alibaba system, we invest some extra money, so that we can have a good capacity perhaps to ramp up these categories.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Thomas Chong of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thomas Chong

Analyst

Given the fact that we have duly set up our Chengdu R&D center, and we have optimized our technology expenses and we are also seeing our investment in fulfillments, in marketing, et cetera. So, I just want to get a sense about our trends in terms of the headcount, as well our other expenses line, each going into 2020. Some qualitative or direction would be great.

Robin Lu

Management

When we look at our Q3 numbers, we see some labor reduction or even year resources reduction in both logistics side and the technology side. And we have some add up, as I specified about the new brands and the dedicated team for the high premium category in the marketing side. So, that's kind of like a hybrid in between. And we see moderate high comps increase for 2020 as we expected.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next question is from the line of Sally Chan of CLSA. Please go ahead.

Sally Chan

Analyst

I have two questions on our Single's Day performance. We report a very strong 54% GMV growth for this year, Single's day. Could you mind sharing more color on how our key categories have performed? For example, our electronics, sportswear and the [power] brands, et cetera? And how should we expect a solid GMV growth to translate into our revenue growth for the quarter, taking into consideration that these categories have quite different take rate? And my second question is, on the many new initiatives that Timo this year is doing, the Single's Day; for example, like, live streaming, like Timo 2.0 et cetera. Could you share with us how have our brand partners adopted these new initiatives and how have these initiatives driven their sales during the event?

Robin Lu

Management

Let me take the first question. Even though that we want to give you more color about Double 11 in the next earnings call, I can give you some highlights for that. Number one, I think our categories are well-balanced in our Double 11 sales. For example, in the sportswear, electronics and some other high premium brands is pretty good. And, for example, in - just now we've talked about high premium brands. Our same-store sales growth is over 100%. That's it. And also, I have to mention, in some [indiscernible] I've mentioned just now, we do see some slowdown in the Double 11 sales. And about the revenue conversion, I think I've answered question about the new brands acquisition, take some time to convert to the revenue. For example, our - the share of the new brands, the contribution of the new brands to the GMV has been tripled versus last year. And it's a big pie. And we need some time to get more revenue from the new brands. So that's kind of reason why you see, there is a kind of like different growth rate for the revenue in Q4.

Junhua Wu

Analyst

Let me address your second question. We made a significant growth in the Double 11, just past several weeks. And we exceeded about over RMB10 billion in one single day, that's definitely a historical moment and milestone, and nobody has ever done that. So, I'd like to let you know that we achieved that, all because we - just like Vincent mentioned earlier, we prepared all those Double 11 campaign, right early in our goal. Actually, that was in July and beginning of the August. So all our operation team, merchandising team and assortment planning team and our marketing team has been spending a lot of resources and time, mediation with all our brand partners to prepare all those assortment planning and traffic acquisition plan, and how do we adjust segmenting all those consumer profile and how do we drive a significant higher conversion rate than ever before? And then doing the three stages, a pre-order and a warm-up and a big date, during that three stages, we've been definitely engaged a lot of new initiatives, just like you mentioned, the live streaming and Timo 2.0. So, for live streaming, we engage a lot of brands, helping to do with a lot of [KOLs] to helping the brands to launch their new arrivals and also to just give a very significant growth on their new events, especially for a seasonal products and for a high quality and high discount price during that moment. So livestreaming becomes a very significant way to drive the sales and the membership sense of the store. And about Timo 2.0, it's basically like a fundamental support. They provide a lot of tools regarding the consumer management, membership management, CRM and inventory across different channels and management. So, we provide a lot of implementations based on those foundations. And, Timo, they, selected over 100 top brands to highly run all those Timo 2.0 in a casket model. So the fortunate part is all our portfolio is on a top of the pyramid. So, most of our brands were selected to be part of a Timo 2.0 pilot run. That's why we took a lot of advantages in that kind of implementation, which also drives more traffic and higher conversion rate during that day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Tina Long of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Tina Long

Analyst

I have two questions. The first one is on the Mini Program; because, as you mentioned that you start to do some trial on setting up Mini program side; so I want to know the first stage and also probably future pipeline. Will it be within our existing brand portfolio or you actually acquire new brands to do Mini programs? And in the meantime, I'm curious to know the take rate level for Mini Program compared to the Timo sites. And my second question is on the warehouse related to the high premium fashion brands. So, I understand previously there was a chance that we may consider building up one of our own warehouse. So, I want to know if that decision has been made. And if so, like, how long will be the construction cycle and how much we earmarked the CapEx?

Robin Lu

Management

About the Mini Program, we both provide - we provide price to both our existing brand and the way independently acquire the brands only for the Mini program. I mean, the Mini program is emerging ecosystem. I think almost all the brands would like to explore these opportunities. And further, I mean, I think the whole ecosystem is still not mature. It's emerging. So about the charge model, about the service we provide, it's still in the test, trials right now. And it's not mature yet. But I think it has a very bright future for the Mini program ecosystem. And also at this moment we see some leading retailer and some leading comprehensive brand has a very big GMV generation already in the Mini program. And they are revving up to the charge model like Timo. But it still takes some time. But if we look at the types of service we can provide, I think it's more extensive than what we can do in the other platform. So, that's why we say, take rate, even though now the take rate is not higher enough to compete with the other platform, it's still a very good opportunity for us to ramp up. Regarding the third question, the warehouse; what we, the Management can do is, we will do the very smart investment. And there is not a very definite time for us to do that. We do have a plan about this. But where we'll see - when is the proper time for us to do this - start to do this construction for the specific category we can use.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We don't have any more questions. I'd now like to hand the conference back to Ms. Wendy. Please go ahead.

Wendy Sun

Management

Thank you, operator. In closing, on behalf of Baozun Management team, we would like to thank you for your participation into this call. If you require any further information or keen to visit us in China, please let us know. Thank you for joining us today, this concludes the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Vincent [indiscernible] Please don't disconnect, I'll place you back to the speakers hub. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference for today. And thank you for participating. You may now all disconnect.