John William Sheridan
Analyst · Lake Street Capital Markets
Yes. So Rob, as you know, when we launched this Engineering Services line of business, our anchor customer, who we're very close to -- it's, of course, Volkswagen. Volkswagen we're into the second year of our 4-year contract and we hope to extend that 2 years. So the work with Volkswagen continues largely around the development of the architecture of their next-generation fuel cell stack. Work's going very, very well. Some key downsourcing activity now in terms of plates and things like that. The project is going very well. We've got about roughly 60 people working very actively, very closely with Volkswagen. Beyond Volkswagen, as we indicated in the press release, we did about $1.5 million of other automotive business, smaller contracts, as you would expect, but contracts with the potential to grow. And at least at this point, those are with customers that don't want to be identified. But as you would expect, they're also major global automotive OEMs. Beyond the automotive, we've been working with aerospace prospects for some time. We think that's a significant potential for us. We think that the fuel cell products will be in the aerospace portfolio over the next 5, 7, 12 years, and the development cycle there is long term as you would expect. So that means we think over the next medium term, there could be very significant program activity for us and we're seeing some early signs of success there. And the other one of interest, just because it's in the press -- or I think Tony mentioned it, rather, the micro-fuel cell opportunity, that's really neat. And again, this is -- I think it illustrates the model we're on and the strength of the model. Rather than Ballard developing on exploratory development exercises with what could be valuable new platforms and applications in markets we don't understand, we're working with players in those markets with the expertise, with the channels, with the knowledge and they're funding us. So on the micro-fuel cell opportunity, that specific application is related to soldier power, military opportunity, could be significant in a number of different markets if that progresses. So to reel it back up: Engineering Services, strategic, it's high margin and the size of the business is growing and all of those things we get involved with there are potential future supply opportunities for us. They fit with our strategy.