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Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 13, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Bandwidth Fourth and Full Year Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Marc Griffin. Please go ahead.

Marc Griffin

Analyst

Thank you, good afternoon, and welcome to Bandwidth's fourth quarter and full year 2018 earnings call. Today, we'll be discussing the results announced on our press release issued after the market close. With me on the call this afternoon is David Morken, Bandwidth's, Chief Executive Officer; and Jeff Hoffman, Chief Financial Officer of Bandwidth. They will begin with prepared remarks and then we will open up the call for Q&A. During the call, we will make statements related to our business that may be considered forward-looking, including statements concerning our financial guidance for the first fiscal quarter of 2019 and the full-year of 2019, our plans to execute on growth strategy, our ability to maintain existing and acquire new customers, and other statements regarding our plans and prospects. Forward-looking statements may often be identified with words, such as, we expect, we anticipate or upcoming. These statements reflect our views only as of today and should not be considered our views as of any subsequent date. We undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are not promises or guarantees of future performance and are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from our expectations. For a discussion of material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to those contained in our 10-K filing on February 26, 2018, as updated by other SEC filings, all of which are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at bandwidth.com, and on the SEC's website at SEC.com. Finally, during the course of today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in our press release issued after the market close today, which is located on our website at bandwidth.com and on the SEC's website at sec.gov. With that, let me turn the call over to David.

David Morken

Analyst

Thank you, Marc, and thank you to everyone joining us on our fourth quarter and full year 2018 earnings call. Since we are reporting results for our first full-year as a public company, I want to begin by thanking God, all our Band mates and their families, our customers, and current investors. We are proud that we delivered an excellent first full-year as a public company and know it was only possible because of the creative work and commitment of many people, including those on this call. We are also excited to finish the year so strong with our fourth quarter performance well above our guidance. During this past year, we achieved remarkable results by serving our enterprise customers well. Our total revenue for the year exceeded $200 million. We ended this past quarter with 26% CPaaS revenue growth year-over-year. Our solid results continue to be driven by expanding our relationships with existing enterprise customers. Demand for our services have been solid throughout the year and in the fourth quarter was again driven by a diverse set of customers using the full breadth of our offering. Our unique combination of software APIs and a nation-wide vertically integrated all IP voice network resonates clearly with enterprise customers. During our fourth quarter, we developed deeper relationships with existing customers and had several notable new customer wins. For example, an existing customer who is a fast-growing leader in modern enterprise video and voice conferencing and who provides services to clients such as Uber, Slack, Sonos and many others recently announced a Cloud phone system solution that will be available nationwide in 2019. Bandwidth's APIs already power the voice calling components of the company's video conferencing platform and we are excited that they will be using us to power their next generation enterprise cloud…

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst

Thanks David, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. Today, I will review our fourth quarter 2018 financial results according to the historical revenue recognition standard of ASC 605. In addition, we will discuss our financial guidance for the first quarter, and the full-year 2019 according to the new standard ASC 606. As an emerging growth company, we are adopting 606 starting January 1, 2019 under the modified retrospective method and do not expect any material changes to our revenue recognition nor our sales commissions accounting. Based on our evaluation to date, we expect the revenue related impact to result in a reduction to retain the earnings between approximately $100,000 and $200,000. Our fourth quarter was an outstanding finish to a great year and as David mentioned earlier, we are pleased to report that we once again exceeded the high-end of all of our guiding metrics. We continue to see good momentum across our entire product line and over a diverse set of enterprise customers. We believe this is a testament to the high value our customers place on the combination of our software and network platform, as well as our teams enduring commitment to delivery world-class customer service. During the fourth quarter, our total revenue was $52.3 million, up 23% year-over-year and $2.7 million above the high-end of our guidance range. Within total revenue, CPaaS revenue was $44.1 million, up 26% year-over-year and $1.5 million above the high-end of our guidance range. Other revenue contributed the remaining $8.2 million of total revenue, which was $1.2 million above our implied guidance and more than the $7.5 million from the fourth quarter of 2017, due to higher indirect revenues. Our 121% dollar-based net retention rate in the fourth quarter was our best yet as a public company and is well…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Brent Bracelin with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question and I'd love to maybe start with you, David here. If I look at kind of just the Q4 kind of results, it looks like you've beat the midpoint of CPaaS by close to $2 million. Yet, it looks like a lot of that came from the best net retention rate in over two, three years. So, as you think about the drivers of your existing customer base, the consumption pattern you are seeing, did you see kind of a one-time benefit from mid-term elections? Was there other factors that drove it? Help us understand the drivers of the strength here in Q4, I have several other questions. Thanks.

David Morken

Analyst

You bet, Brent. The growth in Q4 was broad-based. We did add as Jeff mentioned, 75 new customers during the quarter, but of course they take time to ramp. So, Dubner [ph] was, as you said high, but the breadth of the growth is what was most characteristic of the quarter and no spikes to call out. The election certainly does lift boats some, but it's primarily messaging, I think in its emphasis, and for us, there is a lift, but it doesn't explain the overall increase.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst

Got it. And then, Jeff, as we think about just the CPaaS guide, I obviously, I looked back at the dollar change in your CPaaS business, clearly a big spike there $3.9 million sequential increase in Q1 of last year, so I get the tough compare, but it also implies in order to get to 23% growth for the full-year, you're going to have some big step-ups in the CPaaS business in Q2, Q3 and Q4 to get to the 23% growth, and so I guess my question is, what's the line of sight that you have to a step-up in Q2, Q3? Is it tied to the new customer win and rollout of the cloud phone system? Just trying to understand the tough comparing Q1 and then what gives you confidence you will see a big step up here in Q2, Q3, Q4? Thanks.

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst

Sure. Thanks for the question, Brent. Our plan in 2019, late 2018 is rooted in serving our customers well and expanding our enterprise relationships, but at the same time, we expect a more meaningful contribution from our larger sales force this year, due to the investments that we made in 2018. We expect new customer sales to increase in 2019 in a cascading fashion as each quarterly new sales rep cohort comes online and reaches full productivity. The combination of these two factors then forms the 23% CPaaS revenue guide and implies for that last three quarters that will grow in those quarters at an average of 26%.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful color. So, it sounds like you're literally looking for those sales investments to help pay off, and then as we think about the net dollar retention, would you expect that to moderate some, or you know, could you talk maybe about pricing as we think about the pricing change of the business? Clearly, I get new sales in the ramp and we're getting very good visibility there, but I also want to understand your thinking around what you've baked in around net retention rates within the existing installed base?

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst

Sure. So, our pricing has remained very consistent. So, I don't think there's anything new there to report. Certainly, in the first quarter for all the things that we've already discussed, we would expect a lower dollar based net retention rate, but for the rest of the year, again that's a really important part of our growth. One of the things that we always emphasize with folks like you is that you know, our growth is not always linear and it can fluctuate a little bit from quarter-to-quarter, which is why we as a team will focus on annual trends, but we expect to continue to expand the relationships with our customers and serve them well, and so, we expect strong retention rates.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst

Great. My last question is for you, David here, will – I got to ask on the world tour here, now that you're kicking that off, it sounds like you have secured an anchor tenant. Is that correct and does that help absorb some of the capital costs that you could burden here in the short run? Thanks.

David Morken

Analyst

You got it, Brent. That is correct. We've got an anchor tenant. And we have a relationship with them that reduces our exposure to the expense that we incur as we serve internationally as opposed to building something pristine with no customers involved, that was orientation during the last year we learned and we're excited to begin the world tour.

Brent Bracelin

Analyst

Great, thank you. That's all I had. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Richard Davis with Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

D.J. Hynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, thanks guys. It's actually D.J. Hynes on the line for Richard. Congrats on all the good news. Maybe just piggybacking off of Brent's last question there on international. Can you talk about the gross margin impact as you move internationally? Will that have a materially different profile than the core business? And just help us think about kind of some of the upfront costs involved in kind of building out that effort?

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Sure, D.J. This is Jeff. I'll start, and then if David wants to fill in, he can. So, it's still very nascent for us as we look into international, product matters here. I think the more messaging we do just like domestically, that's a little bit higher margin for us than it is voice and we're certainly starting out in new territories, and so the gross margin will be influenced by the size and number of investments that we make, it will also over time as that scales will benefit from economies of scale and network effects that we have and so initially the margins could potentially be a little bit lower, but we expect them to grow over time, but we obviously still have a very material base here in the U.S., and that's what will be the largest influencer of our gross margins.

David Morken

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Jeff and DJ, I would just add that, over the last year, what we've articulated is the desire to understand how we can deploy infrastructure for our platform and are all-IP voice networks to be more reliable for customers that are doing international service, as well as a better economic value. So, we're trying to replicate the value of the asset-based combination that we have in the U.S., and that's our goal.

D.J. Hynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So, the higher losses in 2019 implicit in the guidance, is that a result of now just bearing the cost of the investments that you made in 2018, you know, you talked about the growth in the headcount and the sales infrastructure build out? Or is that more being driven by some of these newer international expansion efforts?

David Morken

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

The short answer D.J. is all of the above within there, but one of the things that is new to our guidance here, because we now have more clarity of a plan is the international investment, and you could think of that sort of in the call it $5 million to $6 million range in our 2019 plan that's within OpEx or certainly also some CapEx included in there as well, and then really the other piece is, when you look at our OpEx growth, we continue to want to reinforce our success that we've had in hiring sales and marketing folks and also research and development and to the extent that we need to – our folks that are classified in G&A, and so the plan all along has been to make 2018 and 2019 investment years, I think our plan shows that, but just to bring it full circle, international sort of the new ad in here that we have that informs both non-GAAP net loss and our EPS.

D.J. Hynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, okay. Yes, quantifying that spend is helpful. One last one if I may, so have you seen any change in the mix of B2B call volumes versus what I guess I would call B2C or IoT driven calls? And I guess as part of that answer, can you talk about the margin differences you may see between those two – I'm assuming that you can kind of leverage off peak hours with some of that B2C IoT traffic, is that a fair assumption? And any color you could give would be helpful.

David Morken

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

So, to the extent that we serve voice as an interface consumer devices, to answer your question, we've seen a very steady drumbeat in the quantity of calling across new interface customers that we work with and indeed much of that calling does occur after normal business hours, and so there are aspects of a fixed-cost network and platform that offset that new call pattern favorably as it relates to having a fixed cost. Does that answer your question?

D.J. Hynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, it does. So that doesn't sound like a discernible mix shift, but you're seeing nice traction with the new interface devices?

David Morken

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. I wouldn't go so far as to answer the specific around the mix of traffic between B2B and B2C. What I – what we are seeing is a steady drumbeat of adoption where we serve folks in the consumer space, who are doing creative new experiences in the home, some of which are voice as an interface, but not ready to comment on the absolute shift across those two categories.

D.J. Hynes

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please proceed with your question.

Very good. That's perfect. Thanks, guys, congrats.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Great, thanks guys. I just wanted to get a sense of, obviously, you guys are starting to see some traction with the new salespeople and just if there was anything around kind of a size of what their initial year of – what their spend was kind of in the initial year or just kind of whether these customers were off the original targeting list, just some kind of context around some of the normal course, the average customer? And then second, just kind of circling back to the gross margins, you guys have been, I understand it's some of the international piece on gross margins, but you've been making some investments, and you were expecting to get some leverage in 2019, and so I just wanted to get a sense of, what we should expect as far as those investments? Thanks.

David Morken

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

You bet, Meta, this is David. Just as a quick reminder, on your first question, we have two distinct sales groups. We have our Hunter enterprise team and then a strategic team, and to answer your question, the Hunter team, they will take 90 days to ramp after joining and we expect them to close 1.9 new enterprise customers per month thereafter at full quota. That customer within their first 12 months after onboarding will in that first 12-month period generate $20,000 of annual revenue, in the second year $30,000, in the third year $40,000 and when you combine that with the other large customers, our average is $150,000 annually. On the strategic side, those reps take nine months to close their first deal. Their first strategic customer will generate $500,000 of annual revenue within their first year on our platform. And those reps are closing about [1 to 1.1 or 1.2] large deals a year. And then your second part of your question was gross margin and I'll turn it over to Jeff for that one.

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, David. Hi, Meta. So yes, despite our higher level of investment in 2018, our track record of growing gross margin year-over-year continued. So, we achieved 49% in 2018, which was 140 basis point improvement over 2017. As we've discussed there's a number of factors that affect our gross margin. Certainly, the level of investment and we've been very explicit in saying we're investing more in 2018 and 2019 to expand the reach and scale of our platform, we do that with the platform and with the team, product mix influences it, certainly one-time events like we experienced in 2018 and the Verizon settlement influenced that, but on a longer-term basis, the great positive tailwind that we have is economies of scale and network effects and we enjoy that as a result of our vertically integrated platform and enjoying owner economics. And so, when you balance all those things in with again another heavier load of investments and certainly getting some yield on those the 2018 investments in 2019, but on balance, we would expect our gross margins in 2019 to be virtually in line and consistent with what we saw in 2018. Now in the future, as we sort of grow out of that, we would expect gross margins to continue to enhance. And David and I still believe along with the rest of the team that this is a 60% margin business, we've just got to get through some scale and demonstrate some more operating leverage.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Just sort of going back to that real quick, like when you're saying solid or steady gross margins from 2018 and 2019 are you talking about CPaaS gross margins or overall gross margins?

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

That's overall gross margin, so what's going to happen in 2019 is you're going to see CPaaS margins grow, and you're starting to see as we do have some additional scale there. The economies of scale and network effects come into play there, so we will expect that to grow, where we'll actually reduce margin is on the other side of the business, which is less than 20% of our revenue, and the reason is this the one-time Verizon settlement that happened in 2018 will not reoccur in 2019, and so the blending of those two impacts put us at a flattish sort of level for this year.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. No, I just wanted to clarify. Great, thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Pat Walravens with JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Pat Walravens

Analyst · JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Oh, great. Thank you and congratulations to you guys. That's really impressive. So, Dave, I once heard you say that you would rather grow 20% for 20 years than 40% for four, and as I look at what you guys are doing, 26% CPaaS growth this quarter guidance to 23% for next year, a lot of investments, the big question investors have for me is, is this going to accelerate out of sort of the current growth range at some point? What would you say?

David Morken

Analyst · JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Well, I would – by the way, thank you for your kind words, Pat. The beat goes on. I would say that those investments as we have made in sales and marketing, if they are successful investments, those individual contributors on a per headcount basis should fuel our growth, and we have grown from 12% CPaaS growth in 2017 to 25% CPaaS growth that we've just done, and so we've doubled in 2018 and if our sales investments don't increase our growth, I have failed as a leader. That's the short answer.

Pat Walravens

Analyst · JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Alright. Great. Thank you. And my second question is just with – so you have – what an impressive increase in the number of R&D people? What is their top priority today?

David Morken

Analyst · JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Expand the platform both breadth and depth, capacity in terms of throughput to support the growth of both messaging and voice as well as incremental use cases that are being asked for by our enterprise customers. There's also some international development work to be effective across different jurisdictions. But the focus is on the platform and making sure that the network keeps up with the growth that we're experiencing.

Pat Walravens

Analyst · JMP Group. Please proceed with your question.

Awesome. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Catharine Trebnick with Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Congratulations on the quarter. So, I just need to drill in on the guide here, just to make sure I understand what you're saying. So, it looks like for Q1, The Street was at loss of $0.12 you're guiding to $0.27 to $0.30 and for the full year at $0.64 to $0.74, Street was at $0.46. So, can I, do we attribute – how much of that is attributed to this international expansion, and how much of that is a drag?

David Morken

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So, as far as the annual earnings per share, Catharine, there is a sort of a new entrant into our guidance here, and we talked a little bit about this with D.J.'s question, which was, we're adding to our forecast in the range of $5 million to $6 million for international that's hitting OpEx, as well as some additional CapEx to get us going with this flagship customer that David had talked about, and then we'll add from there and so that is the primary difference to it. If you look at it, everything else in The Street rev is above where The Street was gross profit is above, I think OpEx is generally in line, absent the investment that we're making in international, but we believe once again that this is the year to make those investments and expand and will help us grow and scale in the future.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

So, when we think about modeling means, we think that this will be more of a back-end loaded year with sales guys, it seems like you hired most of them in Q3 and Q4, majority of them. So, should we think of this more as maybe a 45-55 split, when we model up the top line revenue or how should we look at that?

David Morken

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

I think that's fair. Our intent and what we have performed in 2018 was our hiring was pretty consistent throughout all the year, but there is a cascading impact into 2019 as each cohort comes online and gets to full productivity. So, the effect of that is, is that it is a little bit more back weighted with that, but that all underlines the foundation of us serving our existing customers well and expanding our relationships there, but I think you're generally on track.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, good. And then the other question I had, just usually you have a couple of interesting nuggets on new customers, any of the current existing large Internet giants, any interesting new app use cases I'd say came on board with during the quarter?

David Morken

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

None that we announced publicly, so no, Catharine, there's nothing that we've announced publicly.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

I was just trying to pull something.

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

[Indiscernible] no names basis though, Catharine, David did highlight three or four use cases, that you might leverage if that's helpful.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Oh, no. I was just trying to find – last time you talked about Google, I was just looking for some other color there. Thank you very much.

David Morken

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you, Catharine.

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst · Dougherty. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of Will Power with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

WillPower

Analyst

Great, thanks. Yes, well, congratulations on the international progress, I know that's been a big focus for a while. I guess maybe several questions on that front, David can you just help us understand architecturally how that will look like versus the U.S. soft switches, access to phone numbers, how many countries will you be up and running in, out of the gate? That's the first question. And then what do the CapEx requirements look like? And my other question is, with regard to revenue contribution, how do we think about revenue contribution in 2019 as it pertains to the overall guidance? Thanks.

David Morken

Analyst

You bet, Will. I'll talk about the strategy and the architecture and what we're trying to achieve and then turn it over to Jeff to talk about margin and revenue contribution. What's most important to keep in mind is that internationally, what we're going to deploy is a stack that replicates the same architecture that we maintain in the U.S. So, the gear that we put in a data center supports all IP, voice, and messaging services, and it's a great extension of an operating team that knows how to administer, maintain and support that gear in multiple data centers. And as a result of putting that gear in multiple replicated data centers, you're able to offer high reliability. Yes, you do cross connect and interconnect with incumbent service providers under key regulatory licenses that you're able to achieve or by commercial agreement as well. And that's what allows you to do, whether it's emergency voice calling in a jurisdiction or just regular voice services, you've got the ability with this gear and the right interconnects and the right regulatory approvals, what you're trying to do is lower your cost structure and get it to be as close as what you've done in the United States at the same level of reliability in the United States, and so the value under the platform for our large enterprise customers, many of whom are domiciled here in the U.S. is it for their product teams they already know how to utilize our platform, we just added a new jurisdiction. It has all the hallmarks and characteristics of the quality and the cost that they've come to understand domestically to the best of our ability to replicate, that's the model, that's the desire. Be the easy button, not just in the U.S., but in other jurisdictions. We've been able to achieve a very high level of quality and great economic value for the customers that we have using the platform today in the U.S. and we're targeting to do the same thing, focused on the UK and EU as I mentioned, those are the jurisdictions of highest volume where we are supporting our lighthouse customer and after that we'll prioritize based on customer need and demand, but the underlying infrastructure and architecture is precisely the same design that we've really scaled well in the United States. And then I'll turn it over to Jeff.

Jeff Hoffman

Analyst

Thanks, David. Hi, Will. I would just emphasize that we’re still early days despite the articulate plan David laid out, it takes a while for revenue to come and of course expenses precede revenue, and so our guidance is not overly reliant on international at all in 2019. In terms of CapEx and the spend, we’d already talked about the OpEx contribution, but in terms of CapEx, I would think about this in a 3% of revenue range for CapEx in the initial international build out. As a reminder, what we've guided everyone is domestically, our CapEx is 7% of revenue. This would be an additional call it 3% or so on top of that, so overall CapEx for 2019 coming in the 10% range and that's how we see it, we're very excited about this sort of greenfield opportunity so to speak, and we look forward to serving customers in new jurisdictions.

WillPower

Analyst

Yes. It sounds like a nice opportunity. Good luck for that.

David Morken

Analyst

Thank you, Will.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session, as well as our call. We thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day. You may now disconnect.