Michael Carrel
Analyst · Canaccord.
Yes. I think on a couple of points, so on the open side of our business, we saw robust growth around the clip on volume and units across the board. So it's across each one of the areas that you just described. First on the open side of the business, as the guidelines continue to make their headway kind of into the numbers overall in the open side of the business, more and more people realize that treating the appendage is an important thing to do. In addition to that, we get the benefit overall of other companies that are talking about managing the appendage endocardially as well. So just knowing that that's an important thing to do, you've already got the chest open and you're looking at it, it's becoming much more of a standard of care that they need to manage it. Two, related to that, we haven't sold many FLEX Vs yet on the open side of the business. But we do believe that that's going to have a dramatic impact on the CABG area, where there is almost no penetration. So to give you context like you're asking for, there are over 300,000 patients that go into the OR every year for treatment in cardiac surgery. And last year, we sold 34,000 clips in total, about 27,000 to 28,000 of those clips were open clips and so - and of those open clips, probably less than 24,000 were in the U.S. So you're talking about very low penetration to overall cardiac surgery. If you look at just the Afib patients in the U.S., of those 300,000 it's anywhere between 80,000 or 90,000 or so patients. So again, lots of room for growth to manage the appendage in that scenario. So we feel like there's obviously kind of a long way to go and the FLEX V is going to help us in the area that's the least penetrated, which is the CABG portion of the business. When you look at the minimally invasive side, the PRO V is really enabling us to get into more complicated cases than we were in before, but we're also seeing growth in the PRO2 as well, which is because it's able to go through the trocar like the PRO Vs, and the 2 of those are continuing to see strong growth in attachment not only to MIS, but like you're mentioning under the CONVERGE ones as well.