I think the way to answer that is maybe to start with the basics, which is that if there's roughly 2 million barrels a day of HSFO, that's going to get displaced and replaced with something. The VLSFO is, we believe, substantially more than 50% middle distillate or some intermediate feedstock component that's destined for middle distillate and mid-grades coming out of refineries. All those components, at the moment, are being used, right, by somebody at somewhere. And so if you're looking to replace roughly 1 million barrels a day plus with components or with MGO, that's going to either come from somewhere else. And some arguments have been made that might be vacuum gas oil, which was otherwise on its way to producing in the refineries producing naphtha or gasoline. There's a possibility there, although there are some issues with using that, we think, as a bundling component indiscriminately. Just rambling a little bit. But the point is that we think this just kind of adds up to greater refinery throughput just because of a simple math. In terms of what type of ships do the move on, the reality is that once it's blended, the VLSFO, we think, is a dirty cargo. However, if you've been carrying various grades of crude or HSFO in those ships before, you have to be pretty careful about cleaning because the tolerance below the stack is very, very tight. So we've seen some that are, for example, 0.485%, and then the tolerance, the blend is 0.5%. So even cleaning up those ships is going to be a bit tricky and perhaps a little bit time consuming. But we do believe that certainly, MGO, and even the components going in, will probably ship on various types of product tankers. And it seems like a lot of the blending is being done at the -- it's going to be done at the point of consumption, not at the point of production. So it's not like it's being necessarily named and location A, and then ship to location B. They're bringing the components in and blending it close to the point of consumption.