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Apollo Global Management, Inc. (APO)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 29, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to Apollo Global Management’s Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This conference call is being recorded. This call may include forward-looking statements and projections, which do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to Apollo’s most recent SEC filings, including the 8-K Apollo filed this morning for risk factors related to these statements. Apollo will be discussing certain non-GAAP measures on this call, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. These non-GAAP measures are reconciled to GAAP figures in Apollo’s earnings presentation, which is available on the company’s website. Also note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or solicitation of an offer to purchase any interest in Apollo Fund. I would now like to turn the call over to Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations.

Gary Stein

Analyst

Great. Thanks, operator. Welcome to our third quarter 2020 earnings call. We hope you and your families are doing well in these challenging times. Joining me this morning are Leon Black, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Josh Harris, Co-Founder; and Martin Kelly, Chief Financial Officer and Co-Chief Operating Officer. In addition, Marc Rowan, Co-Founder; and Jim Zelter and Scott Kleinman; our Co-President’s will be available for Q&A on this morning’s call. Earlier this morning, we reported distributable earnings of $0.47 per common share, pretax fee-related earnings or FRE of $0.63 per share and we declared a cash dividend of $0.51 per share for the third quarter. We’ll open today’s call with comments on our business and our quarterly earnings from Josh Harris and Martin Kelly. And then we’ll move to a personal statement from Leon Black regarding his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Leon’s remarks will be the extent to which this matter will be discussed in light of the review, the independent review is currently underway. As we have continuously stated, Apollo never did any business with Jeffrey Epstein. We as a firm are appalled by Jeffrey Epstein’s horrific acts and despicable conduct. Following Leon’s statement, Martin, Josh, Mark, Jim and Scott will be available to answer questions about our business and performance this quarter. With that, I’ll turn things over to Josh.

Josh Harris

Analyst

Thanks, Gary. I clearly echo your sentiments on behalf of our firm. And believe the conflicts committee review is an important step. Thank you all for joining our third quarter earnings call. I hope we continue to find you in good health. And to our employees, thank you very much for another quarter of hard work and dedication, which has resulted in strong results for our clients and shareholders. Starting with the investing environment, the equity markets remain ahead of fundamentals. The swift pace of economic recovery that we saw in the second quarter and into the third quarter has more recently slowed. As a result of low rates and the overvalued public markets, global investor demand for private market opportunities remains strong. Now withstanding high valuation, Apollo continues to source attractive risk return investments for our clients through selective market opportunities in credit, private equity and real assets. In the third quarter, Apollo continued to demonstrate the strength of our platform. For the nine months ended September 30, we achieved AUM growth of 31%, FRE revenue growth of 17% and FRE growth of 16% – revenue growth of 17% and FRE growth of 16%. For the third quarter AUM increased to $433 billion, and we reported FRE of $0.63 per share, a record for Apollo. Year to date asset under magic growth of $102 billion was largely due to growth of our insurance clients through strategic acquisitions and strong organic growth, specifically insurance accounted for $82 billion in inflows year to date. The large majority of which is fee generating immediately. Athene and Athora have now reached $238 billion and permanent capital vehicles now represent 60% of our asset base, while over 90% of our assets under management are either permanent in nature or has a contractual life of…

Martin Kelly

Analyst

Thanks, Josh. I’d like to echo Josh’s appreciation for all our employees, who continuing hard work is very much appreciated by our senior management team. For the third quarter, we announced a dividend of $0.51 per share, fully supported by our after-tax FRE. Our reliable FRE stream supports a dividend at a level above our stated minimum of $0.40 per quarter. Any quarters have more meaningful transaction fees the dividend can be substantially higher even without the benefit of performance fees. We generated FRE of $0.63 per share on a pre-tax basis for the quarter driven by growth in management fees and some higher transaction fees. Management fees were up 6% over the prior quarter and 13% over the third quarter of 2019, driven by growth in fees for investing the assets of our insurance clients, growth in new businesses described by Josh and deployment across the platform broadly. Transaction and advisory fees was $72 million for the quarter driven by capital solutions transactions and private equity activity. The increasing compensation costs reflects our continued investment in building our capabilities across the areas of growth that Josh highlighted, including an infrastructure, our hybrid capital business and FIG platform, as well as in technology and various business support functions across the firm. Our FRE margin for the third quarter was 55% in line with our year to date margin and with our full year 2019 margin. We continue to anticipate that for the full year 2020, our margin will remain in the range of mid-50s, reflecting low double digit revenue growth, balanced against the significant investments we are making across the Apollo platform. Specifically, we’ve invested over $100 million over the last two years in establishing new businesses, growing existing businesses and building technology and support teams around those businesses, all…

Leon Black

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. This is Leon Black. I hope you and your families are safe, healthy, and doing well despite these extraordinary and difficult times. As I have noted before, this is Apollo’s 31st year of doing business and I am extremely proud of our team and everything we have accomplished over the past three decades on the foundation of excellence, performance, and integrity. I want to begin today by addressing my prior business relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. By nature, I am a private person and it runs counter to my nature to speak publicly about personal matters. This has been true ever since living through the press coverage of my father’s suicide 45 years ago, but this matter is now effecting Apollo, which my partners and I spent 30 years building and it’s also causing deep pain for my family. Knowing all that I have learned in the past two years about Epstein’s reprehensible and despicable conduct, I deeply regret having had any involvement with him. With the benefit of hindsight, working with him was a horrible mistake on my part. I am not seeking to excuse that decision, but I do believe it may be helpful to convey some relevant facts. First and most important, Apollo never did any business with Epstein, neither Epstein or any company controlled by him ever invested in any funds managed by Apollo. Second, as I stated in July 2019, Epstein did provide professional services to my family partnership and related family entities involving estate planning, tax, structuring of art entities and philanthropic advice. His work extended over a period of six years from 2012 to 2017. And I paid him millions of dollars annually for that work. There exists substantial documentary support for the services provided. All of Epstein’s advice was vetted…

Gary Stein

Analyst

Thanks. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks for today. Can you please open up the line for questions?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

Before my question, I wanted to hear your perspective on how Apollo’s clients have been reacting to the press reports, including the New York Times article that focused on Leon’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And we saw comments from Cambridge and piercers, but I did not see any comments from your larger strategic investors. Thank you.

Josh Harris

Analyst

Yes. So it’s Josh, I’ll start and then I’ll turn it over to Jim and Scott. And basically, we have incredibly long and durable relationships with our clients, like spanning over 30 years and we’ve delivered for our clients. We’re deeply in contact with them. And obviously, they’re awaiting the results of the review that Leon discussed. And so but right now, we’re moving forward with our clients and focused on kind of the strategies that I discussed. Jim or Scott, anything to add?

Jim Zelter

Analyst

I would just add this. Listen, we’re fortunate, as Scott, as Josh that we’ve got thousands of global clients and we’ve been an active dialogue. They are continuing to drawdown capital and allocate capital to us. We’ve been very active and they support and embrace the process.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Glenn Schorr with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Glenn Schorr

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Thank you. And I thought Leon’s comments were loud and clear, and I appreciate that. And it will not be a follow-up question for him on anything, I respect that. However, I do have one for you guys, on Apollo, just operationally. What kind of process I know you’ve got to let them do their thing, but are we talking about a couple of months? Are we talking about all of the next 12 months? What kind of process does that need to go through? And do – what is the outcome that LPs are waiting to hear? And do you expect if the process echoes Leon’s comments that we’re back on the same growth plan you’d been on the new capital rates front? Thanks.

Josh Harris

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Sure and I respond. So the process has being run by the Conflicts Committee, and there are independent directors on that committee. There’s three independence and they have a fiduciary obligation to shareholders. And so they are running that process, that review that will involve email reviews, interviews with people and so on. The timing is a little clear. I think there’s a hope that it can be completed by the end of the year. But that has the usual aspects surrounded based on how the review proceeds. So in the meantime, we’re continuing to be actively engaged with LPs and we’ve had some capital close just this week. We expect more capital to close in the near term. And so we’re highly engaged with LPs and where we’re letting that review take us course as an independent process and we’ll await the results.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is now open.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. I guess, not no believe or too much. In addition of fundraising, and I’m not – I don’t know why was that – is this affecting this technical kind of the opportunities that you see out there for different kinds of employment in some markets where maybe in more competitive environments – maybe making it more difficult to engage?

Martin Kelly

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

It’s really not. Basically, we have a very active pipeline across private equity, real assets, infrastructure, and credit. I mean – and Scott or Jim, if you want to add any color, go for it.

Scott Kleinman

Analyst · KBW. Your line is now open.

No. Yes, I’ll – this is Scott. I’ll just reply. No, our teams are as busy as they really have been. So this is the answer your question pretty clearly now.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Good morning, and I appreciate everybody’s comments here. Two things, I was hoping to get a little bit more clarity on, I guess, one understanding that there could be slowdown in new commitments to your guides and strategies. Do you think current situation could impact any of the potential insurance transactions that could be done on behalf of your insurance partners? So I guess that’s one. And two, are there any conditions where LPs could choose to pull their commitments from funds that have already been committed or so? So in other words, not obviously, permanent capital ones, but the more longer-dated ones like private equity, et cetera. Thank you.

Josh Harris

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Sure. So yes – and to answer the first question on the insurance side, the pipeline there for everything from PRT, block positions to larger transactions is extremely busy. So I think there’s a lot going on there and that will continue. As far as your second question around capital being able to be to be pulled, the answer is no. As Martin said in his comments only 3% of our capital can be withdrawn in the next 24 months. So there is really no scope for what you were trying to – what you were describing.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning. Maybe on clawback. The clawback payable this quarter was essentially flat. Can you give us more details in terms of the path forward to climb out of clawback? And does clawback impact the way you think about take and carry going forward on future funds? Thanks.

Josh Harris

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Sure, Ken. So I made some reference to this in my comments. Carry or clawback is calculated and it is one or the other at the fund level. And so a fund that’s in carry does not have any clawback associated with it. So Fund VIII is clearly in carry at $0.76 of net carry on the balance sheet. The clawback is related to legacy funds, more than half the clawback is Fund VII and then the rest of it is a variety of other funds. And it’s not uncommon to have clawback towards the back end of a fund, when you have the last – the last investments that may not do as well. And in effect, there’s been a slight over distribution of carry from other successful investments earlier in the fund. These things tend to have a very long life to them and so I referenced Fund V, which is 20 years old. So – and clawback is only payable when the fund is finally closed. When the loss as it is sold and the fund is liquidated that’s when clawback is due. And we can choose to fund callback either through a reduction in distribution or off the balance sheet. So it has a very, very long tail to it and I don’t see – it’s not uncommon, so I don’t see it affecting carry structures and how we take carry on future funds. And it’s just a – it’s just a dynamic that we manage and we’re accustomed to.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from William Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open.

William Katz

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Okay, thank you very much. Just a two-part question this morning. Martin, you had mentioned that you qualified sort of how you’re spending this year. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the investment cycle into next year and maybe the FRE margins on that? And then maybe a broader question around and who knows about this next week, but carried interest, tax, if that were to actually rise, what if any impact it might have on earnings? Thank you.

Martin Kelly

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Sure. So I referenced, about $100 million of spend over two years. We’ve been in a period of time when we’ve been investing in the platform and we’ve talked about that a fair amount. Roughly speaking that breaks down into a third investing in growing our opportunistic businesses, a third into growing our yield businesses and a third into growing the support functions around the firm for those businesses and further reasons. So I would not anticipate the pace of investment that we’ve been on continuing at those levels, although we’re continuing to look at opportunities in front of us and invest, where we see areas for growth. And then on the tax point, it’s hard to know at this stage what the bill or any bill might look like and there so many potential components to it. If tax rates increase – if corporate tax rates increase and of course that will increase our overall tax rate at the company level. An increase in taxes on carry doesn’t affect the firm’s earnings and we don’t see that affecting comp and comp structures as we look forward.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Harris with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Chris Harris

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Thanks guys. With Marc Rowan on the call, I was wondering if he could may be take a minute or two and talk about his decision to take the semi sabbatical and I would ask the question because there has been some investor speculation about whether that decision was it all related to the Epstein matter?

Marc Rowan

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Sure. This is Marc. I’m happy to take that. So firm grew in the insurance business, which I spend most of my time in – more than $80 billion literally in the second quarter. I have never work that hard since I was young associate more than 30 years ago. And so I decided to take a semi sabbatical. So far it’s been more semi than sabbatical. But there is an amazing team that’s there. And as you saw from the pace of activity, we haven’t missed a beat in the insurance business in terms of anticipation of any events, absolutely not.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

Patrick Davitt

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

Thanks. One quick follow-up from the call and then another question on the netting hole. The 7% to 9% revenue growth, you gave that’s management fee growth rate, it will not include performance fees?

Martin Kelly

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

Right. That’s – it’s FRE management fees.

Patrick Davitt

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

And then a quick follow-up on the clawback, I think you said the netting hole was reduced, but the clawback remained the same. Could you help me understand the disconnect there?

Martin Kelly

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.

Yes, they are again distinct from each other. So the – the carry – the carry asset, let’s just focus on Fund VIII. The carry asset on Fund VIII is based on current marks on the portfolio and if we sold everything today at the prices that we mark assets at, then we would have net carry of $0.74 a share to distribute. The impairment is not more than the timing impact. It results in a diversion of the next sales of assets and the next profits that come out of that to LPs, to sort of right size them for losses that we’ve taken. But ultimately it’s the sequencing versus the quantum of carry that affected by that. It’s completely independent of the clawback. The clawback is not related to Fund VIII, but the impairment is and we’ll work our way through the impairment as we’ve been doing and as you saw in Q3. And once we clear that, there will be sort of in full distribution mode.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. Your line is now open.

Devin Ryan

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is now open.

Great. Good morning. Just a question on investing philosophy. Obviously over time Apollo’s established a great track record as being a leading value investor. And clearly, it feels like the public markets least are much more focused on growth than value industries in that kind of rewarding that, the pandemic has only I think accelerated that structural shift and shifts in the economy. So I’m curious whether this plays at all, how you guys are thinking philosophically about the construction of funds in the intermediate term, meaning, whether you would potentially lean more towards growth areas just given that the economy is kind of being turned into has and have not world where a lot of value is by value for good reason?

Josh Harris

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is now open.

So we’ve set up our platform with 550-plus investors that are focused on creating idiosyncratic opportunities outside the public markets that have at discounts that create excess return on behalf for our clients. Clearly, as we’re not tone deaf to the opportunities and growth. And so there is certainly – we are reorienting a little bit around like what is Apollo’s – how does Apollo they play growth? And the way we’re going to play growth is very similar to how we approach everything else, which is there are definitely going to be, those companies that are growing that might be a little higher multiple, that need capital, that might be for whatever reason kind of discounted, maybe it’s a portfolio of assets. Maybe it’s us recognizing value that others don’t see. And then on the credit side clearly we increasingly whether it’d be Airbnb or Expedia, or there are just a number of growth companies that need kind of credit and capital and Hybrid Value type capital that were deeply – deeply in dialog with in providing capital structure solutions for. And so I think for sure we are affected by the world and the market and we do see that as a huge opportunity for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Go back to the origination platforms and some of the investments you’re making in the business there, I hope you can elaborate on that a little bit? And then we saw some headlines that you may be taking one of the platforms public through an IPO. I guess just maybe bigger picture, if you could just talk to, what the long-term aspirations are with these plans, with these portfolios platforms and how that might work in terms of feeding direct origination into your business and for clients. They are separate companies or maybe less attached, how do you see that sort of playing out?

Jim Zelter

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Hey, Mike, it’s Jim. We’ve talked for a while on this theme over the last several years. We talked about Investor Day last year, about the evolving backdrop of lending and what’s going on in the markets. And Josh alluded to the ADNOC transaction today. Obviously, the value question is sometimes pointed at our opportunistic business, but it really permeates the entirety of our business to $425 billion. So in credit as you pointed out there’s a variety of areas where origination, whether it’s midcap, whether it’s large cap origination, whether it’s what we’re doing an aircraft, our commercial mortgage and resi mortgages, PK Aviation, those are all businesses and platforms that really enable us to source, analyze and execute for our insurance clients, our third-party clients together. And as we pointed out last year there is no one manner in which they are restructured. Some makes sense to be owned by the insurance affiliates because those are going to create flow for those vehicles really primarily, some have a much broader application. So from our view is that there is no one way to do it, we certainly will expect to continue. We’ve been – as Josh already alluded to, there is a variety of large transactions in our pipeline that we can’t announce now, but as you can see whether it was the Aeromexico dip or very similar situations like that in credit or in other areas that are critical to our growth, really – really for us it’s a critical area. In terms of the name, you mentioned about one of our companies, sometimes it makes sense for us to take on third-party equity funding. The company referring to AmeriHome has had a phenomenal successful run. We thought, where the valuations were and the long-term aspirations and who owns that equity, we thought a public listing made sense. Certainly the marketplace had different view of it as of this week. But again, it’s been very successful, contributed a lot of earnings and assets to us and we continue to think this is a big priority for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Carrier with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Mike Carrier

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

All right. Good morning and thanks for taking the question. Martin, just two clarifications. You mentioned the 79% revenue growth next year, I just wanted some context on what that included? And then on the new metric on overall deployment, I think you mentioned the $21 billion. Is that driving you something in terms of the business, whether it’s higher yield like any revenues, just wondering in terms of why you guys maybe focus on that? Thanks.

Martin Kelly

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Sure, Mike. So let’s start with the first question. The 7% to 9% is a combination of a number of different things. One is annualizing growth in the platform across the whole platform this year including the insurance transactions and everything else. It takes account of what we see as wind downs next year based on what we anticipate selling. It actually kind of organic growth in [indiscernible] as well as deployment activity using our existing dry powder. So that’s what and I assume this transaction fees at a level similar to this year, given our emphasis on the large corporate lending business in the phase of that’s generating. So that’s sort of the context behind that number. It obviously doesn’t take any credit for incremental capital raising from here.

Josh Harris

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Which we think is unlikely, but we wanted to give the sensitivity to everyone.

Martin Kelly

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Yes. And look at the second question is, we view it as a – I guess in the deployment as we – as we’ve typically disclosed is specific to drawdown funds. And the non-drawdown funds part of our business is increasing. It’s really where we’re seeing less of the growth. And so we see this additional metric as an important measure of the growth of our business across the whole platform including our origination platforms, including our business for our insurance clients and our third-party clients and including the drawdown funds. So it’s a – we think a more encompassing measure of the true activity levels across the platform and we’ll continue to report that and speak to it going forward.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is now open.

Robert Lee

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking my follow-up. I did have a question on the transaction and advisory fees. I mean the – I know you had a lot of activities, it’s part of they were up – they previewed last quarter. Can you maybe talk a little bit about underneath that – how much of that just been driven more as you kind of ramp up you’re kind of your capital allocation businesses versus just spree of deployments? Just trying to get a sense how we should think of that line item migrating going forward?

Josh Harris

Analyst

Yes. Rob, it’s a mix. Actually, so last quarter there was a big fee and it was related to closing some co-invest capital on a large PE transaction. And they occur from time to time as we – as we close big transactions. This quarter, it was more related to the lending business, which Jim has spoken to. But that’s an important growth area for us. We view the ability to originate a very large transactions and speak to a whole transaction with that capital and then syndicate it to investors that want to take a piece of it to be – important and important to our growth. And so that the fees this quarter related more to that than sort of classic co-invest capital.

Martin Kelly

Analyst

But as we ramp that origination, whether it’d be Apollo strategic partners or our large cap origination engine or otherwise, we would expect that – that, those fees would grow over time and they are, and become more predictable and sustainable.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today’s question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the call back to Gary Stein for closing remarks.

Gary Stein

Analyst

Great. Thanks, operator, and thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. As we said earlier, we hope you and your families all remain safe and healthy.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.