Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2012 Results Conference Call. My name is Keisha, and I'll be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Chris Symanoskie, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please proceed.

Thank you, operator. Good evening, and welcome to American Public Education's conference call to discuss the results for the quarter and full year ending December 31, 2012. Presentation materials for today's call are available in the webcast section our of Investor Relations website and are included as an exhibit to our current reports on Form 8-K filed earlier today. Please note that statements made in this conference call regarding American Public Education or its subsidiaries that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements based on current expectations, assumptions, estimates and projections about American Public Education and the industry. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual future events or results to differ materially from such statements. Forward-looking statements can be identified by words such as anticipate, believe, could, estimate, expect, intend, may, should, will and would. These forward-looking statements include, without limitation, statements about the first quarter and full year 2013, as well as other statements regarding expected future growth. Actual results could differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements as a result of various factors, including the risk factors described in the Risk Factors section and elsewhere in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC, the company's quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the SEC and the company's other SEC filings. The company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements for any reason even if new information becomes available or other events occur in the future. This afternoon, it's my pleasure to introduce Dr. Wallace Boston, our President and CEO; and Harry Wilkins, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Now at this time, I'll turn the call over to Dr. Boston.

Thank you, Chris. Good evening, everyone. I will begin today's call with a brief overview of our fourth quarter results, highlight recent academic successes and discuss our long-term strategy. Then Harry Wilkins, our Chief Financial Officer, will discuss our financial results in more detail and provide additional perspective on our outlook for the first quarter of 2013. For the first 3 months ended December 31, 2012, overall net course registrations increased 10% compared to the prior year period, and net course registrations by new students declined 8% year-over-year. We believe the measures implemented to reduce financial aid fraud and abuse have largely been effective and that our prior year comparisons may have included a high percentage of such students, who we collectively now refer to as course takers. During the fourth quarter 2012, net course registrations by students using Department of Defense tuition assistance, or TA, increased 13% year-over-year as a result of new enrollment growth and improved persistence of active-duty military students. Net course registrations by students using veterans benefits, or VA, increased 45% year-over-year. Combined, net course registrations from students using TA and VA represent approximately 50% of total net course registrations were 37% and 13%, respectively. Net course registrations by students using cash and other sources increased 3% year-over-year, representing approximately 11% of total net course registrations during the quarter. Net course registrations by students using Federal Student Aid, otherwise known as Title IV, increased approximately 1% year-over-year, representing approximately 39% of total net course registrations during the quarter. Again, this growth rate is believed to have been negatively impacted by a high percentage of course takers in the prior year period. For more information on net course registrations for the full year 2012, please see the chart on Slide 3 of the presentation we filed today…

Thanks, Wally. Turning to Slide 8, our fourth quarter 2012 results. American Public Education's fourth quarter financial results include a 14% increase in revenues to $86 million compared to $75.7 million in the prior year. The revenue increase was primarily driven by growth in net course registrations from civilian, military and veteran students. Operating income for the fourth quarter of 2012 increased 8% to approximately $21.4 million. Instructional costs and services decreased to 34.5% of revenue in the fourth quarter of 2012 compared with 34.6% of revenue in the prior year period. This decrease was primarily related to cost savings from our ePress initiative and efficiencies gained from process improvements in student support services that were partially offset by a lower rate of revenue growth. Selling and promotional expense as a percentage of revenue increased to 19.3% of revenue compared to 16.4% in the prior year period as was expected. General and administrative expenses decreased as a percentage of revenue to 17.9% from 19.5% in the prior year period due to financial department expenses growing slower than revenue and to improvements in bad debt expense as a percentage of revenue. Bad debt expense is approximately 3.5% of revenue in the fourth quarter of 2012 compared to 4.3% in the fourth quarter of 2011. In the fourth quarter of 2012, net income was approximately $13.2 million or $0.74 per diluted share, which was ahead of guidance. Our cash balance as of December 31, 2012, was approximately $114.9 million or $6.38 per diluted share. We have no long-term debt. Our cash balance was reduced by several factors, including our stock buyback and CapEx related to the completed construction of our new Finance Center. We also purchased 83,855 shares during the fourth quarter of 2012. As of December 31, 2012, approximately $8 million…

[Operator Instructions] Your first question will come from the line of Jeff Meuler from Robert Baird. Nick Nikitas - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: This is Nick Nikitas for Jeff Meuler. Just a question on looking at your 1Q '13 starts guidance. It seems the potential imply underlines sequential deterioration, if you exclude the FSA student. Is that due to maybe a higher balance in 4 -- or in 1Q '12 than previously expected? Or can you just talk about the leading indicators that and if you've seen any changes in trends?

Well, I think if you look at the overall market, the overall market is predicted to be down about 2% for the year. Grad student online enrollments, according to Eduventures, are saturated, but there's opportunity in undergraduate enrollment. We had assumed in this forecast that we're not going to try to differentiate between the course takers at the same time -- for the first quarter at the same time. If you recall our process, we put in about 8 different blocks last year, and we were still putting in blocks on month-by-month basis through March. So there probably is some noise there, but we haven't tried to take it into account in our numbers.

I think what we're seeing is hopefully a place of quality of new students, and we don't -- you may not have the same quantity of new students that we had in the first quarter last year, but we really do believe the quality is improving. And in the long run, that's going to be benefited. Plus, there's a lot of the relationship that we're building that we really think will benefit us from an normal standpoint going forward, like our recent investment and partnership with New Horizons, international franchises. It really hasn't taken fruit yet. There's just a couple months into them so -- but you're right, yes. Comparatively, the number, it is negative growth. Nick Nikitas - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Okay. And then just looking for margin expectations for 1Q, as well as 2013 overall. What kind of initiatives that you already started to realize the benefits from? What do you expect to be incremental over the remaining part of the year? And then looking at the ePress initiative, do you potentially see upside to your previous $8 million run rate or can you just talk more about that?

Yes, I think we'll go through one at a time.

So yes, this is the year that we thought -- we wanted to improve the quality of our students, which meant enrollment. We weren't anticipating enrollment having a big increase, but we were anticipating margin improvement. And we're starting to see that. Our ePress initiative is right on target. We had talked about $8 million annualized savings, which about half of that, we recognize last year. So incrementally, about $4 million more than the $4 million we got last year. This year, that looks like that is coming to fruition in the first quarter. We have new plans of bringing our FSA processing in-house now. We spent about $300,000 a month doing that, and then we bring it in-house. Hopefully, in May or June of this year, we'll be able to reduce that cost to about $100,000. We'll probably save about $200,000 per month in cost. Our bad debt expense we brought down from over 4%, actually almost 5% in the third quarter, over 5% in third quarter of 2011 to only 3.5% in the fourth quarter of 2012. Again, that's -- now that those state [ph] have gone through the process, I think we'll see that also. And then you have the eTextbooks deal, of course, the full impact of the eTextbooks deal this year, which is about 3% of revenue. We only got partial. We implemented that in September of last year. Only part of that hit the fourth quarter. We should get the full effect of that in the first -- in the full year this year. So the combination of those things, plus our continued stock buyback, which adds $0.01 here and there of EPS improvement, we really think it was setting the stage for positive margin improvement and EPS growth this year.

Your next question comes from the line of Gary Bisbee from Barclays.

I wanted to probe the commentary around the marketing shift a little bit. Is -- and I guess what I'm wondering is -- was the traditional media driving students you believe, other than the abusers, that were much lower quality? I guess, I wonder why you wouldn't keep that going for a bit longer while you're ramping up these new avenues and drive growth, if you could do that.

Yes, we're not going to go cold turkey. But we did an in-depth analysis. We began our TV and radio advertising in much more than a spot basis in the fourth quarter of 2010. And when we looked at the fourth quarter of 2010, primarily FSA students, FSA students through '11, which included the abusers and the FSA students in 2012, most of whom came to us through that type of media, we felt that there were number of things that were influencing a much poorer student than our referred students. And so we won't go cold turkey on this, but we do expect -- because from time to time we received positive comments. People like those ads. But the people who like those ads, in addition to being educated, like most of the people on this call, unfortunately, there are some people who aren't so motivated to really complete an education but are much more motivated about some of the benefits, financial benefits of registering for class, doing enough work to get by any screens we have and then dropping out. So we think that over time -- and like I said, not cold turkey, but over time, we'll cut back on that and move to put the investment in more outreach personnel, as well as other types of contracts with corporations, relationships, more people doing relationships with community colleges, that we will end up with a better persistence rate, a higher-quality student. And we may even be able to lower our cost -- our acquisition costs for the student.

And then just on the theme of persistence. On a blended basis through the whole student body, is there -- can you give us a sense how that might look versus a year ago? And I guess really what I'm getting at is despite weak starts for the last few quarters, you've continued to have very strong net course registration growth. But would it be reasonable to think that, that really tails off if you can't return to more robust new student growth, say, after this next quarter you've guided to?

Well, the goal is to try to find the higher-quality new student. But if you look at our numbers for 2012 and try to segregate the various sections of students, whether they're active-duty military, veterans or civilians, with our good students, we actually improved our persistence rate. Our number of graduates is up, on a compound basis, much higher than our growth rate of new students in general. And we think that the important thing over the long haul here is to get the same quality level of new students through our marketing sources as we are through the referrals and, in which case, we think it will be a home run with persistence.

Yes, and that is a good point. Good students drive long-term growth, bad students could drive short-term growth sometimes. But that in the long run, it catches up with you.

Great. And then just one last quick one. It looks like you more than doubled the number of community college agreements, if I had the number right last quarter -- in the last 3 months. Can you just give us a sense, what would a typical agreement look like?

Sure. Every community college is different. What we've tried to do is to focus on community colleges, either near military existing bases, where we have a very good group students and a good brand name; or community colleges, where they have 2-year associate's degrees that transfer nicely into some of our more unique 4-year degrees. And so we haven't tried to sign up 1,200 MOUs. We've tried to sign them up with community colleges, where we think we'll actually get student referrals. And we may even -- we've been, as you noted, successful in nearly doubling the number of those agreements. And we may even put more people into that outreach group because we think that we're going to have higher-quality new students. But one of the things though that will be noticeable with that is the community college students aren't going to graduate until May to June of this year. So while we will attend transfer fairs, we'll probably not see that pick up in enrollment for the fall of next year.

Your next question comes from the line of Corey Greendale from First Analysis.

I wanted to go back to the Q1 guidance. So I think you -- I understand there's still some of the kind of stipend chaser students in the year-ago comp, but I think that they're starting to diminish. And just on the surface, the comp gets a lot easier in Q1. So I just wanted to dig into a little further. How much of the fact that you think you're still negative on new student registrations is internally driven in terms of you've already started to cut back on advertising as of Jan 1?

Yes, we started to adjust our marketing. And we know that it may have some difficulty in managing it quarter by quarter. But we really wanted to try to find ways and very targeted ways, some of which we're not aware of yet. We've hired Ph.D in statistics to help us dig into the marketing data. He's on our staff. He's not an outside consultant. And we just are at the point we're looking at what best practices are and some of the proposed regulations on completions and persistence that we think are really targeting and trying to find better students while still being an open access institution is important.

And can you delve a little into the underlying trends in each of your end-market segments? What are you seeing in new registration for active-duty VA and Title IV?

We give that color in the fourth quarter and for the overall year. We don't break it out for the quarter that we give guidance for.

But did you give the color in terms of what you're seeing in the new registrations or just total?

For the fourth quarter, we did. We gave you the numbers for the fourth quarter, I believe.

Okay. So it's not -- what I'm getting at -- I'm trying to get...

There are no dramatic changes. Pretty much, the growth has been consistent across all segments. We're doing well in the military, but we're trying filter out good civilian students, which mitigate that growth a little bit. But overall, there's not a big change in year-to-year, the pay types.

What I'm getting at is there's a comment in the 10-K that says, I think I'm paraphrasing, "that you've had more difficulty attracting students that will perform well over the long term." I'm just trying sense if that is a phenomenon that's primarily in the Title IV market and...

Yes, yes, yes, that is. I -- Yes, that's the intention of that. That's the intention as to why we're trying to shift how we market to civilian students. It's really the Title IV market civilian students because we look at the students who come from specific corporations and we have MOUs with us as referrals.

Okay. And can you give us your current thinking on what the effect of sequestration could be on TA?

Well, as we talk, the CCNE group has been meeting out in San Diego this week. And I made a phone call at 4:00, before this call, to see if anything has been announced. Nothing has been announced and most likely won't be announced, but nothing as of 4:00 this afternoon. From the rumor perspective, we heard rumors that the services are trying to do as much as they can, not change this benefit because of how it impacts recruiting, also because of how much slack they get publicity-wise. And total rumors, I mean, some of the rumors that are floating about that may have a practical dent to them but that services may no longer pay for enlisted service members to get a graduate degree. But that percentage is so small that we don't look at that as being something that's very material.

Your next question comes from the line of Adrienne Colby from Deutsche Bank.

I was wondering, you mentioned last call that you expected some disruption to the new registration number from Sandy. I think you talked around something around 650 students. I'm just wondering if that's how that played out.

Yes, we certainly think there was some impact because ever since the disaster, a lot of our students -- were the ones who get deployed, are the first responders. It's hard to quantify but we do think that, that didn't help. And certainly, from the number of books we got shipped back during that 2-week period, there was an indication that books weren't able to delivered and students weren't able to take the class. So it probably didn't have an impact, but we're not going to use that as an excuse. We're trying to quantify it as a onetime thing.

Yes, I think it was approximately half of the 650 that we said were impacted. I think because of e-books, the impact, the actual impact was roughly half.

Okay. And then, I guess, going back to a question that was asked earlier, when we look at first quarter guidance for new registrations and look at the first quarter of 2012, I think you've been telling us in the past that, so far, the third and fourth quarter of 2011, that the maybe 20% of that growth was actually from some of these stipend chasers. So I'm just trying to understand things like that certainly tailed down. But when we're trying to sort of compare what you've given for guidance versus what we actually saw in the first quarter of this year, just wondering again, is it something around 10% of that growth do you think is stipend chasers? Or is there less or more? Just helps us get a better sense of what the underlying growth is.

Yes, as far the first quarter of last year, it's a little harder to determine because there's a lot of noise going on. We implemented -- we started implementing improvements in the process to discourage those students in actually, December of 2011 and January 2012, February and March. And we have finished our -- the process we put in place to discourage them by the end March. So as we -- I do think there was an impact. We just don't -- we think it's hard to disaggregate, and we're just trying to get away from that comparison now. I think these are fair numbers. I think comparing our first quarter with last year will give you -- should give you a good indication of what the comparison numbers are. The stipend chaser number is much lower now. There's always going to be a percentage of students who are doing that for economic reasons. But it's certainly much lower than it was in last year's first quarter. But it's hard to quantify, and we'd rather not get into it.

Okay. Now that you have the CCNE accreditation for your RN to BSN program, is it too early to start talking about the change in enrollment there? Or can you at least talk about maybe the trends in inquiries? Are you seeing a ramp there?

We are seeing a lot of interest because of our affordability. Unlike some schools, we don't charge more for that program. One of the exciting things is many states already moving to process where over the next 10 years, they'll mandate that all of their RNs have BSNs. We've got some agreements that are in the works, which we will announce as they're finalized. But the real key to our being able to market that program was the CCNE accreditation, which we just got in the fall. And we were able to successfully hire a dean of a community college nursing program to be our outreach person, and she is really very busy at this point in time.

Okay. If I can just sneak in one last one. With the military and sort of veteran students now about half of your population, I'm just wondering as we look into 2013, if there's some changes we can expect in terms of the seasonality of the business now that you have more civilian students.

I think -- and Harry can probably answer this question a little better than I can. Even though we have monthly starts, because many of our civilian students transfer in from other institutions, their academic years have to line up. And if they come from a traditional institution, it will be much more seasonal related to the terms that traditional institutions offer. If they come from an institution with nontraditional enrollments like us, then they won't show that type of seasonality. Harry, do you want to add anything?

Yes, I mean, we will expect to see that, especially with the traditional students or community colleges students that are perhaps transferring to our school. We did think that with the civilian population in the summer quarter, which should be our third quarter, would be a little weaker than the fourth quarter. And we were hoping enrollment would ramp up a little bit in the fourth quarter. It's not so much of a population now. You'd see that. I do think we'll see that with civilians. The more civilians we get, the more seasonal we'll get. I don't think there's a doubt it.

Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Volshteyn from JP Morgan. Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Could you give us a little more color on the conversations with Wal-Mart about the program they've talked about for a couple years? Where do they stand on that? And then as well as the -- I mean, how is the New Horizons relationship is going?

Well, we're very happy with Wal-Mart program. We just renewed our contract for an additional 3 years, and I think we talked about that on the last call. We did talk to Wal-Mart before the call, and they're now in the beginning of their fiscal year. And we asked how much we could say on this call, and they basically asked us to refer people to their analyst. So we're happy with the relationship. But with the contract requiring mutual approval, they've asked us to refer people to them. As far as New Horizons go, it's very early in the relationship. But we're exploring opportunities. We think that they have over 1 million students a year that attempt various courses at their franchisees globally, both including the U.S. and overseas. And we think a certain percentage of those may be interested in pursuing our online information technology degrees, and we're going to work hard to find ways where we can mutually promote those programs. Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: That's helpful. And when you look at the 90/10 ratio for 2012, what is it? And if you could give us maybe some comments on where do the conversation stand about shifting military funding into the other side?

Yes, I think we can go -- we do have a slide that shows the breakdown of funding, and that will give you a pretty good idea of our -- where we stand on 90% '12. Of course, right now, FSA students is only 36% of revenue. Under the current rules, that actually works out the way they tackled. It was about 44% of our total cash received for 90/10 for 2012. So we know we're close to the 90%. Of course, if you add VA, which is about 13% of revenue in military, TA, which is about 38%, you'll get up to about 85% to 87% of our revenue. We still have always had at least 12% to 15% of our revenue come from cash-paying students. So historically, that hasn't been -- and even if we had all federal funds that count toward 90/10, that wouldn't be historically had been an issue for us. We do have a plan if there should be some draconian law that says all federal sources of aid have to count in the calculation. And we have plans to grow other areas of our business that could generate more cash, and we would implement them. But right now, as far as I know, there's no proposed or there's no talk of changing the law. And if there is, we'll address it.

Well, actually, I'll correct that. There have been several proposed bills that died in the Senate last year, with the old Senate, related to including TA and VA in 90/10. Republicans still control the House, and they were pretty opposed to those bills. We've always said that there's always the outside chance that something like that would get attached to an appropriations bill, which might not be as easy for the Republicans to veto. But good luck that. And I think we're very aware of the risks and the possibility and so looking at some of our initiatives, such as more corporate outreach, looking at perhaps doing some corporate training, international students, those are all initiatives that we would think that generate cash-paying and not Title IV students. And so we want to make sure that we're prepared and not have to do what many proprietary institutions have had to do over the years, which is increase tuition in order to conform to 90/10, because we believe that our mission of affordability has resonated very well over the years and is tantamount to our success.

Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Herman from Sidel (sic) [Stifel]. Jerry R. Herman - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Stifel. I was hoping you could give us more visibility on new registrations pressed behind -- beyond the first quarter. The comparison views at that point, the effect of the course takers being part of that. You referenced the marketing shift maybe having some impact on new registration. And then also, you mentioned persistence. Can you talk a little bit about whether you think those negative trends that you're showing in the first quarter will persist for the rest of the year? Should we think about it that way?

Jerry, I wish I could give you color. But I think all of higher ed is in a state of volatility right now. We think we've done well and done better than a lot of traditional and even for-profit institutions that have reported results over the last couple of years because of our affordability, because of our repeated quality of our online programs. We're trying to position ourselves to be in a position where we can continue to grow. We are -- I mean I just had a question that talked about sequestration as an impact, and we don't know. We hope it's minimal, and we'll certainly try to be very -- react positively if any of our students are impacted. But we -- I think we're pretty nimble for a company of our size and certainly an institution of our size. I'm sorry that I can't give you color for the year, but it will -- you can count on the fact that we'll try to react to any trends that are negative and try to offset them with positive. And I think that if you take away the FSA students the last year and look at our overall students, we did improve retention and persistence. And the good students were the good students, and the good students are coming back and help them drive our net registration growth overall. And to the extent that we can modify and, more specifically, target to get better new students on the civilian side I think that it will improve our numbers.

And we're just involved with some initiatives right now, Jerry, it's hard to determine when they're going to come to fruition. We were planting some great seeds in some very fertile ground with our relationships with New Horizons internationally. Right now, about 1.5% of our students are international students. Will that be 3% in the fall? 5%? We don't know, and we couldn't even give you a number. But certainly, we think it's going to be better than what we have now. Certainly, we have twice as many relationships in the community colleges will have this summer as we had last summer. How many more community college students will transfer in fall because of that? We really don't know, but it will be more. So that's what we're doing. We're in the kind of the planting season now, and some of these initiatives aren't going to take root in the first quarter, maybe in the second quarter. But we really believe in the long run, we're going to get better students and more of them and that will lead to long-term growth. We really manage the company over the long term. We don't really manage it in the short term. Yes, it would've been great if we had done the New Horizons 2 years ago, but we actually didn't get it done until 1st of October. So it takes a while to build these relationships. But they're good relationships and they're going to bear fruit for a long time. Jerry R. Herman - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: I can appreciate you guys not comment, particularly on Wal-Mart. But could you give us an idea of how much of volume currently comes from all corporate, organizational and community college relationships?

We wouldn't. That's tough to quantify, Jerry, because we've never tried to look at it that way. As you may know, there are some corporations that don't have a tuition benefit like Wal-Mart, so there are students that are paying cash or using Title IV. There are some corporations that have the benefit but their employees actually have to pay on their own, and then when they get a grade, whether a minimum grade, a C or B, they're reimbursed. And so we never see that either. And there's some that are in between that have a benefit but it only covers a certain amount per year, and then they use FSA. So we've never tried to break it out. It's a good question and maybe we'll try to break it out for next quarter, but we don't have that figure handy.

Your next question comes from the line of Trace Urdan from Wells Fargo Securities.

I'm going to come a little bit out of the left field here, but please bear with me. The dire talk of sequestration has, by some accounts, up to 200,000 members of the active-duty military being put on -- I guess, being either terminated or put on furlough. Does that represent a potential opportunity for an increase in enrollment as those folks transition into civilian life and take advantage of the GI Bill? And even if you disagree with that basis, bear with me, and just tell me from your perspective, when you see a member of the military make that transition, do you have a sense of how long that can take when someone leaves the military and then decides to enroll in school and take advantage of the GI Bill?

I think it depends on what their occupation is within the military, what their MOU is and what they plan on doing when they get out. There are certain occupations that are in high-demand phase, such as anyone with top secret classification. When we look at our students who are graduating, for example, they're the ones that the recruiters really, really try to lock up the fastest. But the officers, in particular, who would be most of our master students are usually in pretty good situations for employment. The younger enlisted are usually the ones that you read about with the unemployment statistics and, by the way, aren't many of our students because of the way that most of their training in the first 2 to 4 years in the service takes up so much time that they don't have time for their education. But we do believe -- if those numbers were true and, by the way, I haven't heard of a number that big, but we've been focusing more on the fact that the military, if under sequestration, would furlough some civilians. There are a lot of civilian employees, some of whom are eligible for tuition assistance and what that would mean. So -- but, yes if they had cutbacks in battalions or divisions just as we saw increases in enrollment when troops were pulled out of Iraq and no longer in active duty -- not active duty but no longer in a war zone, we think that it would work. And if you look at growth in VA over the past year, most of which was due to the favorable change allowing a 50% reimbursement of the housing allowance for distance education students, we think it would be pretty good under your scenario.

Yes, okay. And while you had talked about potentially introducing a MOOC and experimenting with that phenomenon, have you kind of advanced that idea any internally?

We actually did a MOOC for all of our faculty members, Trace. So we've piloted with one. We have approximately 2,000 faculty members, and we worked it out where we had facilitators, faculty members who were at positions to facilitate smaller breakout groups. Because if you look at some of the criticism for the really, really large MOOCs is that they can't get feedback from the professor and they can't deal with such a large class, high dropout rates. In this particular case, we didn't have any faculty members drop out so -- but we did break out groups in groups of 25 for special work sessions. And I think the reaction was a very favorable with the faculty, and we're looking at potentially piloting 1 or 2 of these in the next year. I don't have a specific time in mind.

Okay. And then last question. Have you looked at -- on that same topic, have you guys done any investigation into whether or not you'll accept credit from some of the MOOCs, the more sort of popular MOOCs that are out there right now?

We have looked into that, and we're still trying to make a decision. If I were a betting man, I would say that we will, particularly, the MOOCs that have been ACE evaluated. But we haven't made an announcement yet.

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Appert from Piper Jaffray.

So Harry, you talked about some of the margin drivers and the potential for further margin upside in 2013. I'm just thinking over next couple of years, do you think all these factors could take you back towards the margin levels we saw in the '09 and '10 timeframe, when you were up sort of in the mid-20% level? Is that realistic?

Yes, we -- Again, we're not going to give guidance on specific margins. We don't really have any specific margin goals. But certainly, we believe we can increase our margins. But again, they only work if you're growing. You have to have the students to increase the margins. You need to -- and we're optimistic that with the initiatives we have going, we'll continue our long-term growth and we should have margin improvement because we keep getting more and more efficient.

I guess, part of the question is just conceptually whether from a strategic and political perspective, whether there might be an upper limit to a margin you don't want to get beyond.

We agree. We think that -- I guess Harry used to talk on these calls about the fact that top margin in Strayer was 30%. And I think that if you're not increasing your tuition and your enrollments are growing at less than a high accelerated rate, I think that there is a cap on the top end for margin.

But there's always a trade-off. And we could -- we'll worry about that problem when it happens, Peter.

Okay. How about the last thing on the text fee right until you rolled that through your another few quarters. Any thoughts in terms of expanding the courses that, that would apply to or the people that, that would have apply to? Or any other thoughts in terms of further tweaking of the pricing over the next year or so?

Well, that's one thing we do have going for us. We do have some arrows in our quiver that we think we can use if we ever needed to. We don't charge civilians for textbooks. And I still think we're about the only company I know to do that. Even with the reduced cost with our ePress initiative, we're still about $40 a class per student per book. And we could charge for books, and there are other fees that schools charge for that we don't. Our goal is to keep the cost of education affordable for our students. But we do have some things that if we needed to, we could use. And that's one of the assets that we have going for us. At this time, we haven't choose to do that, but it's good to know they're there if we need them.

Harry, you just declared, you don't charge military. You do charge civilians?.

We don't charge undergraduate students for textbooks as long as they maintain an average.

Got it. And then on the graduate level, how does it work?

We do charge graduate students for textbooks.

Military and civilian?

Yes.

Your next question comes from the line of James Samford from Citigroup.

Kevin Kessinger filling in for James Samford. I'll keep really quick. I know the call is getting towards its end. Just going back to the text fee, now that you said it was like a 3% benefit, I think, in 2013. Now is that baked in the guidance or was that kind of something that you factor on top?

It is baked in the guidance, but it wouldn't have been in last year's numbers. So it's about a 5% increasing fee for about 50% to 60% of our students. It works out to about 3% of revenue.

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then also, just kind of the tech fee on the -- how has students been reacting to it? Have any balked at it or is it kind of something that they expected?

This is Wally. We have a process where students can escalate complaints up to me, and I've only received 2 since we announced it in September.

Okay. Well, that's a pretty clear answer. And just finally, you were talking about the pilot program that you kind of -- I think you already launched it in March last year to help with the stipend chasers. Now it's supposed to delay payments and reduce loan limits on -- or loan limits to tuition and books. Do you think that's driving away like actual genuine students or like hurting them because they could be borrowing for cost of living and things like that or...

There's always a danger that if you get too difficult, you could have the result -- forcing the legitimate students to seek education somewhere else. We haven't done that. We have not chosen to push back students. We still allow students to borrow money during their first month of attendance. We have not pushed back. We could withhold that first payment until after they successfully completed courses. We haven't chosen to do that yet. As long as we haven't done that, then our traditional students can still have the opportunity to go. We've chosen to red flag students by other means. If we continue to see abuse students, we would have to do that. But right now, we haven't implemented any policies that should prevent a legitimate person with a need from getting a Pell grant or whatever they would need to attend their first course.

You have a follow-up question from the line of Corey Greendale from First Analysis.

I'll make this quick, and I apologize if this theme is repetitive or offending, being a little dense. But when we're writing our notes tonight, I think I have a pretty good sense of what kind of we should say as to what is driving -- what drove the decline in new student registrations in Q4. I'm not sure I still have a great handle on kind of what you're thinking is as to what's driving the decline in Q1, if it's just a general economic malaise that are hitting others in the space. Or how would you kind of complete that thought?

I don't know that it's a general economic malaise, Corey. We could have tried to finesse Q1 numbers and made an estimate as to how many abusers were in Q1 last year, but we did that for 4 quarters in 2012. And we just -- frankly, we'll be big guys here and say there may be some noise. But we're going to try to give you quarter-over-quarter guidance. I think it's more that, in answer to one of the questions, Harry talked about some of the things that we had put in process for the real abusers. But we also put some academic exercises in to also ferret out people who weren't motivated and who weren't really interested in completing college. And so as we try to focus on our -- on getting a better quality new student, we anticipate that, particularly on a comparative basis, we may be a little lower. And we certainly hope that our affordability resonates with the good students who are out there. But it's tough to quantify which side of a slight dip in new students year-over-year relates to the academic standards that we've put in place or which side of it relates to the economy. And I would tell you that we didn't go cold turkey in the first quarter with our marketing and coming back with traditional TV and media advertising, but we will do that over time. So I doubt very little of it was due to that. And I don't know if you have any other color you want to add.

I think, Corey, it's just we're really largely impacted by the cloud of the economy, impacting the adult students going back to school because there's a belief that perhaps they couldn't even get a better job if they did go back in school. That's part of it. There's clouds of sequestration. There's still a bit of a cloud with the military. That will come through and that will clear over the next 4 to 6 months. The stipend chasers you're comparing to last year is still hurting us a little bit, but we're not going to use that as an excuse. And then the other thing is the seeds that we're planting, these relationships with the community colleges and with New Horizons really aren't coming to fruition yet. The seeds aren't bearing fruit but they will, we believe, when we reap the harvest back in the fall. So I think we're setting a stage for long-term growth. We're not seeing the full impact of that in the short term, and that's the results of our first quarter guidance.

At this time, we have no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Chris Symanoskie. Please proceed.

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