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Artisan Partners Asset Management Inc. (APAM)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 2, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Artisan Partners Asset Management Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Laura and I will be your conference operator today. [Operator Instructions]. this time, I would like to turn the call over to Makela Taphorn with Artisan Partners. Please go ahead.

Makela Taphorn

Analyst

Thank you. Before Eric begins, I would like to remind you that our second quarter earnings release and the related presentation materials are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Also the comments made on today's call and some of our responses to your questions may deal with forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that may cause our actual results to differ from expectations are presented in the earnings release and are detailed in our filings with the SEC. We undertake no obligation to revise these statements following the date of this conference call. In addition, some of our remarks made today include references to non-GAAP financial measures. You can find reconciliations of those measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Eric Colson.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Thanks, Makela. Welcome to Artisan Partners Asset Management's business update and quarterly earnings call. I'm Eric Colson, CEO, joining me is C.J. Daley, CFO. As always, we'll use most of this valuable time to discuss the business philosophy that will drive our results. We expect markets to normalize over the long term. So we design and operate our business to take advantage of strategic asset allocation, manager structure and investment policy statements and avoid short term fads. This quarter we return to the topic of talent management; as we said before at Artisan Partners, everything we do is designed to create an investment culture that will allow our talent to thrive. We'll also discuss quarterly business results to provide insights about how short-term outcomes relate to our long-term objectives. Once I finish, C.J. will walk through our second quarter financial results. On slide two, you'll see that our total AUM increased slightly to $109 billion as a result of limited market appreciation. Firm-wide net outflows of approximately $300 million were relatively muted compared to the first quarter. Given our business model, we expect flows to vary quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year. We will continue to emphasize investment integrity and stability to generate thoughtful long-term growth. You can also see on this slide that the investment team AUM pie chart now includes seven teams. We launched the developing world team's first strategy at the end of June. Thanks to a lot of hard work across the firm, despite negative flows within our institutional distribution channel over the past year, we continue to see signs in the marketplace and financial press of significant interest in broadening investment choice within proprietary solutions and target date funds, as well as more choice within intermediary platforms in Europe and Asia. Moving on, slide 3 shows our long-term…

C.J. Daley

Analyst

Thanks, Eric. Good morning, everyone. A summary of our quarter and 6 months ended June 2015 financial results begins on slide 11. For the quarter, ending AUM increased slightly to $109.2 billion resulting from approximately 1% of market appreciation, partially offset by net client cash outflows of $300 million. Average AUM increased 3% quarter-over-quarter and revenues increased by 4% as a result of the higher average AUM and an additional calendar day in the June quarter. Our adjusted operating margin for the June 2015 quarter was 42.1%, up from 38.4% in the March quarter. Adjusted earnings per adjusted share was $0.74 in the June quarter compared to $0.65 in the March quarter. For the 6 months ended June 2015, revenues were $415.1 million, up 1% from revenues of $410.3 million in the corresponding 6 months ended June 2014. Our adjusted operating margin was 40.3% compared to 45.8%. The decline in margin was largely driven by investments in existing investment teams through equity compensation and the investment in our newest team in the March quarter of this year. Adjusted earnings per adjusted share was $1.39 for the 6 months ended June 2015 compared to $1.62 for the corresponding 2014 period. Our Board of Directors approved a regular quarterly dividend of $0.60 per share. The dividend will be paid August 31 to shareholders of record on August 17. Slide 12 details AUM and client cash flows. During the June 2015 quarter, AUM improved slightly from March to $109.2 billion, a result in market appreciation. Net client cash outflows were $300 million, a significant improvement from net client cash outflows of $2.2 billion in the March quarter. As Eric touched on, during the June 2015 quarter, our mid and small cap domestic equity strategies had outflows of $2.4 billion. While we believe relative…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question will come from Robert Lee of KBW.

Robert Lee

Analyst

Just a couple of things, first one is I'm just curious non-U.S. growth you've had, great performance wise, values came fairly large. How do you think about capacity remaining in that specific strategy? I'm assuming that you feel pretty good about it, but just an update would be helpful.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Sure. Rob, it's Eric. I mean it's a tricky topic. There's a lot of nuances to it and it's hard to boil it down to any single number. People like to get fixated on trying to create that exact number and with the international growth strategy, the team has four strategies and they're somewhat interconnected. So you have to look at the overlap of securities, you have to look at the potential concentration in each strategy and just as we look at our international growth and we look at the global equity, both are mid to large cap growth strategies that can grow to a fairly larger size than a more concentrated all cap strategy or something that has more small cap in it. So right now, we feel that the international growth and the global equity have capacity for producing a nice growth rate. The exact number, we're uncertain of until we see more of a trend line in global equity. And as we see that trend line, we might get more conservative with international growth. If global equity just keeps on at a slower pace, well, that international growth go a little longer. So right now the team has, I think, probably the strongest capacity in the firm, especially when we look at global equity assets, we talked about their 5-year record just happened last quarter, 650 bps above the index. That's realizable growth, not just capacity for the sake of it or wishful capacity. So I think from that team, we'll look at those strategies and manage it on a go-forward basis.

Robert Lee

Analyst

And then maybe C.J., you highlighted a couple of items in the P&L. I guess I am just kind of curious, maybe on a forward-looking basis, maybe you look at technology, G&A, you talked about some investments in making and then also equity-based comp. On tech and G&A, should we think that these are kind of the reasonable run rate kind of going forward as these kind of bring your best up to new levels or anything that's more temporary in those and I'm assuming equity-based comp as we look out, as you get to for the next year you'll have another step up in growth.

C.J. Daley

Analyst

Yes. I think, your direction, Rob, on all those is correct. Yeah, you can't put an exact number on it, but communication technology is probably a good run rate, although that's going to fluctuate based on project lifecycles. G&A, we do have fluctuations there; in the first quarter we had annual director compensation charges. T&E fluctuates but generally if you look over the margin in the June quarter, somewhere in that range is sort of a good range and then I think on equity-based comp you hit the nail on the head that we have more layering-in to do, given our 5-year vest and that will pick up again with the grant likely at the January Board meeting.

Robert Lee

Analyst

And then maybe just one last question and then I'll get back in the queue, I guess. With capital management, clearly healthy distribution, you talked about the likelihood of another special year-end and [indiscernible] comes up in each call but particularly as the stock has been trading at least the last couple of quarters. What points should we think that maybe share repurchase does start to flow into to mix, the amount of flows increased the last year and a half and couple of times since the IPO and now you see some inside exchanges over time at a measured pace, so. As we start to feel like we couldn't get enough that you are going to [indiscernible] do you feel more comfortable including share repurchases, as part of capital management?

Eric Colson

Analyst

Yes, I mean Rob, I think at some point that will come into play and we still have a considerable amount of employees and initial founder investment in the firm and we'd like to see a little bit more liquidity, but I do think at some point down the road stock repurchase will become a part of the conversation, but I don't see any meaningful conversation in the next several quarters, but maybe sometime next year, we'll start that discussion and I think we'll give you guys a heads up when we think that becomes more of a likely scenario. But for now, I think you know we've always had a history of paying out 100% of our cash earnings and given still a large ownership of employees and initial founders, yes that going to be our course for likely the next several quarters to a year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Bill Katz of Citigroup.

Bill Katz

Analyst

Maybe C.J. we start with you for a couple housekeeping items. So just on that employee-based stock compensation, will the increases that you layer in in January be more than what's rolling off of the pre-actual grants is nothing but the cash flow dynamics of that?

C.J. Daley

Analyst

I would say that the roll on would be similar to prior post IPO roll on tranches. So given that pre-IPO grant was marked up and affected by the IPO itself in the valuation, we're not really thinking in terms of that pre-IPO, we think of a more of -- we said we'd be in the range of our public peers on grants and you know we've been 150 to 200 basis points approximately on a grant. So that's how I would think about it.

Bill Katz

Analyst

And then in the comments about the distribution and marketing stage, at this point, the $6 billion, is that about what you think of sales or is there an opportunity to move more of the assets plus the asset classes and then have a further leverage on that line item?

C.J. Daley

Analyst

Yes, I do think there is opportunity. It would be hard to put a number on it. Could it be another $6 billion, it could be, but I wouldn't be layering in any additional, I mean, I think these transfers and conversions are dependent upon some of our partners in the wire-house is having the technology and the ability to make the transfers. So some of it is out of our control, but it's both an opportunity to transfer existing clients into the lower share class as well as from a competitive standpoint to gather more assets, because we're a bit more competitive in the channels. So, there is more opportunity but very, very hard to put a number on it.

Bill Katz

Analyst

Does that lead you to a lower management fee as an offset or is that purely a pass-through on the distribution side?

C.J. Daley

Analyst

Yes. There is no lower management fee now, no effect on revenues.

Eric Colson

Analyst

It's just a maximum revenue share that's differentiated between the advisor share and the investor share is the lower number.

Bill Katz

Analyst

Eric, you mentioned that the growth in some of the non-U.S. global equity which is I think we're seeing you cross all those reported so far. You talked a little bit about maybe two aspects of that. One, where the mandate is coming from, is this just replacement of poor performing platforms where you're just taking over the mandate or is it coming from other asset classes? And then sort of really a [indiscernible] just talk a little bit about where we might be in terms of leveraging high yield and World funds, just given where they might be in their performance timelines?

Eric Colson

Analyst

Sure, Bill. The international growth AUM is coming primarily from the intermediary channel, you see it in the mutual fund flows the most and that is just a re-balancing that's going on in their asset allocation as opposed to taking share from another investment manager and that flow has being muted a bit by the institutional channel which I think has been a pretty common theme in the marketplace as well as institutional clients are rebalancing and using a little bit more of a Smart beta or a exposure oriented indexes comp and also they are complementing that with some alternative in the private equity, real estate and the likes. And so the international growth has a positive intermediary and a little bit offset on the institutional. The global opportunities is another strategy that we're seeing the growth and that's primarily coming from overseas, we're getting good traction in Europe as well as Asia with that strategy and that strategy gets exposure over there with various advisors and consultants, we think that's a good positive sign for global equity coming behind it. With regards to the high yield in the developing world, the developing world is obviously in a very early stage here. We just launched the Funds at the end of June. We're fairly optimistic right now given the interest that we see and the inquiries that we have by institutional clients primarily, but also a good healthy interest in the intermediary channel. The high yield has produced a strong performance. It's laid the right foundation for its first year and a half. I think the high yield marketplace is quite noisy right now with regards to clients' expectations of the asset class. And so I think we've seen muted flows across the asset class as a whole. And I think we'll primarily pick up some growth there, but until there gets a stronger tailwind around asset allocation, it should just be a steady growth.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Michael Kim of Sandler O'Neill.

Michael Kim

Analyst

So first just to maybe follow-up on the discussion around investment talent. Just wondering if you are maybe taking a bit of a pause, if you will, in terms of focusing on sort of building up the developing world team and then just stepping back, any color on sort of the backdrop for recruiting today versus what you've seen in prior cycles.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Yes, sure, Michael. The talent management, we did focus our comments really around our existing teams and the importance of making sure that they are structured and designed for a sustainable outcome. I think a lot of investment managers look at a single individual and it's almost the guy and the fund concepts and we want to avoid that structure and build out our teams for that long duration. And our focus is that we make sure that our current teams are functional and don't get dysfunctional, but we're always going to be in the marketplace for new talent. And we do get calls and sometimes you just get that call from an individual that you didn't think was out there and you take those in, but there was always going to be those both type of calls going on. But we're not heavily pushing right now just to do as many strategies as we can and we've always thought of our firm as a relationship-oriented firm as opposed to a deal oriented firm. And the deal oriented firms miss that long relationship with their existing teams so that they continue to thrive and with our four more mature strategies or teams with the growth team, the value team, the global equity and the global value, you have to stay on top of making sure that those are functioning correctly and then we want to reinforce that that's something that we don't forget.

Michael Kim

Analyst

And then maybe just one or two for C.J.; coming back to sort of expenses maybe a bit differently. Just assuming the markets remain volatile and I know there's variability in the comp and the distribution line items, but how much flexibility do you have to maybe dial back on some discretionary spending, assuming that sort of environment or would you just sort of continue to invest through the cycle, if you will, perhaps at the expense of some near term margin points?

C.J. Daley

Analyst

Yes, I think the beauty of our model is that 60 some percent of our expenses are going to adjust automatically with changes in the revenue. There certainly is some additional leverage points, I think we would likely invest through the cycle for the long term, but as it did during the crisis if things get really bad, there are levers we can pull but the most meaningful levers by far are already built into the model.

Michael Kim

Analyst

Okay. And then just one quick one in terms of performance fees. I think they were typically higher than we've seen in the second quarter in past years, so was there any step-up related to maybe some frontloading or any implications as we look out to the fourth quarter?

C.J. Daley

Analyst

No, no it was a new account that we had brought on last year that had a measurement period in the June quarter. So it's really a new situation and we'll see that opportunity now each June quarter that we didn't have before.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our next question will come from Michael Carrier of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Adam Beatty

Analyst

This is Adam Beatty in for Mike, just wanted to get an update on your non-U.S. distribution strategy. You had positive flows there this quarter whereas some other firms have faced headwinds. And you mentioned the traction that some of the global products have gained there. Was the positive activity primarily product driven and what's the outlook for distribution maybe on the investment side, but also in terms of additional traction you might gain?

Eric Colson

Analyst

Sure, Adam. The non-U.S. for us is even a little bit more lumpier than what we see in the U.S. in that most of our growth has been occurring in the institutional channel and within the institutional channel, we've been dealing with some fairly large entities, whether it's in Europe or Asia, Australia. And so I think it's easy to look at other firms out there and how a single account can skew the quarter. We've had a positive lane that's primarily been driven by the strength of our strategies, the global opportunities and the global equity strategies are at top of the peer group. They're outperforming indexes. They're both in realizable capacity mode which is they have a proven philosophy and process, they have the track record, they have the scale, they're going to meet the criteria for searches. It's just not wishful capacity of starting a strategy, right now developing world and high income I'll put in that wishful capacity. When it gets to the two-year, three-year, four-year mark and it has a history, it phases in the realizable and so we have some strong strategies that are driving the results overseas.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from Eric Berg of RBC.

Eric Berg

Analyst

That strong performance also extends to your global value team and yet you had a couple of quarters now of outflows. I'm kind of surprised given the strength of the numbers. What's your sense, Eric, of what's happening there?

Eric Colson

Analyst

It's that institutional rebalancing, that strategy, specifically any of our global value, global equity or global opportunities has been skewed towards institutional clients, especially overseas. The global value is made up of a more institutional base that has been consistently rebalancing. I think we've seen this in the institutional marketplace over the last -- [indiscernible] the financial crisis that institutional clients have increased their rebalancing. Some have gotten fairly tactical in that rebalancing has been to our detriment of strong results here at the top of the peer group and with that more active rebalancing, we've seen some clients pull some money from us, but the clients with us, it's not terminations, it's just pure re-balancing.

Eric Berg

Analyst

And that re-balancing would be in favor of what?

Eric Colson

Analyst

Since we don't have all the strategies across the spectrum, I don't have that data. My belief or thought is that it's moving more into an exposure oriented and smart beta or passive or it's going into the more alternative space. It is going to be real estate or timber, people are just trying to increase non-correlated assets into the asset allocation.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Chris Shutler of William Blair.

Chris Shutler

Analyst

Eric, you stressed earlier on the really strong performance in global equity and the 5-year record, I think 5 year is kind of the inflection point naturally for global op. But it does seem like it's maybe been a little bit tougher on the global equity side. So maybe just talk about what's going on behind the scenes, [indiscernible] with consultants, how that's trending and how the pipeline is building et cetera. Thanks.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Sure. At first, the more competitive spaces such as large-cap or global equity, there's quite a bit of competitors in the marketplace, there's a lot of strategies around buy lists across consultants versus say a small cap strategy or an emerging market strategy. I think the inflection point there is a lower asset -low hurdle 3-year record since strategies close more in that space, the inflection point is earlier in the cycle. With global equity, I think it's actually a little bit ahead of global opportunities. Global opportunities was roughly $350 million, it's a 5-year track record and global equity has already doubled that at the 5-year record. So apples-for-apples on the 5-year record, we're a little bit ahead and we're just waiting for that inflection point. And even if you hit that inflection point, you're still waiting on the trend and the opportunity of searches, we could hit a spot like the high yield market right now, right at the inflection point. So it's not a magic number of 5 years since it's getting to 5 years and then somewhere in the 5, 6, 7 year you should expect cycle that you can have meaningful growth there, but it's dependent on the marketplace and where clients and consultants are putting dollars to work. So we're optimistic about where global equity is at and feel over the next couple of years, we should be able to realize it.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from Surinder Thind of Jefferies.

Surinder Thind

Analyst

Just related to an earlier question about the global value team, my understanding is that both funds have been soft post release about a year and a half now. Any thoughts on may be launching another strategy there or maybe how effective those discussions have been?

Eric Colson

Analyst

We're always thinking about various ways to build out new strategies with existing teams, we talk to all of our teams about opportunities in the marketplace with the global value and in international value strategies are closed. We're managing flows there so we don't get into the destructive capacity mode which is the something I refer to Alpha. And these strategies can also be destructive unless you have the team set up correctly that you design the strategy thoughtfully and it fits the natural philosophy and process of that team. So we'll have a dialog there, but I don't think there's anything on the docket right now that we would put forward with that team.

Surinder Thind

Analyst

And then maybe a quick question about just with more and more global products, it seems like we're kind of in an environment where there's a lot of movement in the central banks and any thoughts around how active maybe some of the strategies are in hedging currency or at least how much of a consideration is it all?

Eric Colson

Analyst

Currency is getting more and more interest across the institutional client base as well as intermediaries, I haven't seen too much of an uptick on any type of currency overlay strategies which is always the leading indicator on institutional clients who are wanting to see that embedded in more of their portfolios, we've been a little bit more active embedded in our three global strategies as well as the emerging market strategies, but I don't see that as a major of a driver to what we do. I think we're primarily focused on just fundamental stock selection in those strategies and you might see a little bit more currency management, but I don't see that as a meaningful uptick in what we do.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Bryan Sullivan of Credit Suisse.

Bryan Sullivan

Analyst

I know there has been talk in the past about the potential launch of a liquid alternative strategy and can you give us an update here. And is it something that you think could be done with an existing team or is there a need to go outside the firm, maybe just as a way to also help retain some of the institutional assets you're seeing leaving in favor of alternative re-bouncing and non-correlated products? Thanks.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Sure. I'm not sure, I don't recollect really bringing up a strong interest in liquid alts I think the marketplace has seen some asset growth in the last 2013 and 2014, you saw quite a bit of asset flow in non-traditional products in the 40 Act structure, I think this year it's been very muted. I think at best, there is a little over a billion of net flows in those type of strategies. Our interest is if we find a strategy that could be in that wrapper of a 40 Act or liquid alts, we're okay with that. But we're certainly not out there searching for liquid alts. And I'm little bit skeptical on how that strategy would fit long term. So we're not opposed to it, but it's not something that we're actively seeking to put into line up.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Alex Blostein of Goldman Sachs.

Alex Blostein

Analyst

A quick question for you guys on the U.S. value team and obviously the team is seeing some struggle with performance for quite some time now and so far the pressure points have been a little more concentrated on the mutual fund channel. Just curious if you guys have seen in your discussions with institutional clients any signs of potential risk for their outlets from that whole team if we were just kind to think about a way to [indiscernible] risk of future outflows? Thanks.

Eric Colson

Analyst

Yes, sure, the U.S. value team on a relative basis, clearly has its struggles there; as I mentioned the absolute return and since inception for some of our clients we believe has been strong. However, we've clearly seen the flows go negative in the intermediary channel, primarily registered investment advisor space and we're seeing some outflows on the institutional and we're clearly on watch list across most of our clients there with the U.S. small cap value and the U.S. mid-cap value. So we expect to see more outflows there in the short run. Okay. I think that's it. So thank you very much. Talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.