Yes. When I look at it, Emmanuel, I look at it this way, right? If I look at -- I'll go by the regions, right? If I look at total company, for example, we've given directional commentary that we'd like to be somewhere around an 8% EBITDA margin company, right, give or take, timing, et cetera, volumes. But that's the target, right? And so then when I look at it from a geographical perspective, Americas printing somewhere in that 6%-ish range this year, right? We're 10 months through the 12-month fiscal year, right? So they're going to come in somewhere around that 6%. I think if you look at the APAC region, right, they continue to print double-digit margins. I look at them as being able to continue to print double-digit margins will continue to grow the top line. Europe, obviously, it's going to be troughing. We've indicated a couple of times on our quarterly calls this year that we expect the Europe performance to trough in 2025, right? Next year, business performance should be a tailwind as I think about some of the restructuring that comes on. We should get some positive mix as I think about the balance in balance out of programs. So total company, can I see us moving from that 6%-ish range up towards 8%? Yes. I do think that, that means that America continues to grow their margins. I think that you'll see sustainability within APAC double digits. And then obviously, that would mean Europe has to go from, call it, that 2.5% to 3% margin probably to somewhere 5% or 6%, right? And that's sort of what you should think of in terms of opportunity by region to get total company, call it, a couple of hundred basis points more of margin growth.