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Adient plc (ADNT)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and thank you all for standing by. I’d like to inform all participants that your lines will be on a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session of today’s call. Today’s call is also being recorded, if there are any objections, you may disconnect. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Mark Oswald. Thank you. You may begin.

Mark Oswald

Management

Thank you, Christie. Good morning. And thank you for joining us as we review Adient’s results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2019. The press release and presentation slides for our call today have been posted to the Investor section of our website at adient.com. This morning, I am joined by Doug DelGrosso, Adient’s President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jeff Stafeil, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. On today’s call, Doug will provide an update of the business, followed by Jeff, who will review our Q3 financial results. After our prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Before I turn the call over to Doug and Jeff, there are few items I’d like to cover. First, today’s conference call will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the environment as we see it today and therefore involve risks and uncertainties. I would caution you that our actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements made on the call. Please refer to slide two of our presentation for our complete Safe Harbor statement. In addition to the financial results presented on a GAAP basis, we will be discussing non-GAAP information that we believe is useful in evaluating the company’s operating performance. Reconciliations to these non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP equivalent can be found in the appendix of our full earnings release. This concludes my comments. I will now turn the call over to Doug. Doug?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Okay great. Thanks, Mark. And thanks to the investors, prospective investors and analysts joining the call this morning, spending time with us as we review our third quarter results. Turning to slide four, first just a few comments on recent developments, including certain of our key financial metrics, which are called out at the top of the slide. Although, our third quarter results are down year-over-year, Adient’s financial results improved sequentially for the second consecutive quarter as benefits related to turnaround actions implemented earlier this year more than offset significant industry weakness in China. No doubt, a good outcome and evidence the turnaround is tracking in the right direction, sales and adjusted EBITDA for the quarter totaled $4.2 billion and $205 million respectively, sales were in line with our internal expectations, continued operational headwinds within the Americas and European segments combined with significantly lower vehicle production in China were the primary contributors to the $130 million year-over-year decline in EBITDA. Adjusted earnings per share fell $0.38 in the most recent quarter as the lower level of operating profit dropped right to the bottom-line. We ended the quarter with just over a 1 billion cash on hand at June 30th. Important to note, the adjusted results covered excluded certain charges that we view as one-time in nature or otherwise skewed trends in the core operating performance of the company. Jeff will discuss these items and provide additional details on our segment performance, cash flow and balance sheet in just a few minutes. Outside the financial results, other recent developments include a number of customer events that were completed across Asia, Europe and North America, events showcased our current and future product offerings and, equally important, highlighted a number of opportunities to increase program profitability for both Adient and our customer through…

Jeff Stafeil

Operator

Great thanks Doug, good morning everyone. Starting my comments on page 11 and before jumping into the financials I’d like to point that there were several one-time non-cash charges that significantly impacted Adient’s Q3 GAAP results. The biggest charges are financing tax related items as a result of the new debt arrangements the incremental interest expense and the repositioning of our inter-company financing it became difficult to support the full utilization of our deferred tax assets in certain geographies. Therefore, we recorded valuation allowances against these balances. These valuation allowances impacted our net loss by about $250 million in the quarter. It should be noted this will result in an increase in our current and future effective tax rate, but it will not negatively impact our future cash tax payments. As a result of these items we were required to adjust our fiscal 2019 effective tax rate which resulted in additional tax expense of approximately $50 million related to the first half of 2019. Outside of taxes restructuring charges, our UK mark-to-market adjustments and the deferred financing fee also impacted the GAAP results. Total these items impacted Adient’s GAAP net loss by $334 million in the quarter. Turning to slide 12 and adhering to our typical format the pages formatted with our reported results on the left and our adjusted results on the right side we will focus our commentary on the adjusted results. These adjusted numbers exclude the one-time special items just discussed complete disclosure of the adjusting items are called out in the appendix. Sales were $4.2 billion down about 6% year-over-year. FX accounted for about half the decline. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $205 million down a $113 million or 36% year-on-year, largely explained by decline in business performance in the Americas and EMEA along with…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Johnson of Barclays. You may ask your question.

Brian Johnson

Analyst

Yes. Good morning. A couple questions, first, just used to be the pace of customer discussions given the OEMs are having their own issues. When you say increased program profitability, you've talked in the past about 5 critical launches that were sounds like money losing. Last quarter, you indicated that those were perhaps on the path to become breakeven, is that still your goal or because they actually get to a point where they're contributing profitability?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

So, first of all good morning, Brian. Let me take a shot at answering it maybe not in the most directly. Because I think about it not so much in terms of breakeven, I think what you're referring to. We had a couple customers where we had a backlog of open commercial issues. And we were trying to get to an immediate cash neutral position with those customers on those issues. That's what we refer to is stopping the bleeding. We've essentially achieved that this quarter with those particular customers. I wouldn't characterize that, as all of the customers that we had open issues or certainly, our objective is to far exceed a breakeven settlement that was, I think, unique to that particular situation. And to that particular situation, I think it now sets us in a position that allows us then to use a number of, say, commercial tactics to then enhance the performance of that business. And I think what we're seeing with all of our customers right now, particularly with the sensitivity of volume, and the situation in China is they're much more open in and that's why we keep underscoring emphasizing our activities around value engineering, and just cost reduction proposals. And we've had some really good discussions on a wide base of customers. And that's, you know, accretive to our performance, some of which you're now seeing reflected in, you know, 2Q results.

Brian Johnson

Analyst

Okay, second question, sort of building on that, in prior slide decks, you talked about the margin gap to the payers, which is fiscal 2018, was about 4 basis points. Since now we've combined the business in the U.S, I guess, we can do the work to back out SS&M, but how, you know, can you give us an update on how much left gaps has been closed so far? And then, given the timing you're talking about on page eight? How that gap would close over that time period?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Yes, we haven't specifically spelled out how much the gap is -- it is closed, arguably, it's open slightly since we compare to fiscal year 2018 results, and we've had deterioration in our fiscal year 2019. That being said, what we've tried to outline is, this is a multiyear plan, and this year has been really focused on stabilizing the business, stopping the bleeding. And, arguably going after low hanging fruit, but really attacking operational inefficiencies, a premium freight containment with a level of commercial resolution mixed in on that. We looked at it and said, this is a multiyear program, we've, laid out that 2022 timeline that says when we have high confidence, we could completely close that gap. How we step through it, I think you'll have to wait until we start to provide some vision on 2020, which we're not just starting to finalize is to what the next incremental improvement as a today's call, really not prepared to target a specific number.

Brian Johnson

Analyst

Yes. Okay. Thanks.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Emmanuel Rosner of Deutsche Bank. You may ask your question.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

Good morning, everybody.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Good Morning.

Jeff Stafeil

Operator

Good morning.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

So, first question on the, the operational improvement is obviously nice to see in overall EBITDA traction on the sequential basis. Would you be able to point us to in the more specifically whereby segments or sub segments where we should -- we should be able to know, track them in the numbers, obviously, America has improved, quite a bit, SS&M as well. I guess we're sort of like the pockets where the strongest, more noticeable operational improvement is happening and where we could expect either more of this to come in the quarters' coming?

Jeff Stafeil

Operator

Yes, good question. I think we've seen improvements, in particular, in North America, and Europe, North America more pronounced this quarter, there's been a number of launches that, as have caused us problems and as some degree is those launches, have - we've worked past some of the initial issues, it's been harder to bring back to the margins we had on the programs that they had replaced. So, that's been one of the primary focus of the team. They've been shipping away at it. I think if you look at just our overall operational waste, our launch cost premium freight metrics are all improving in those regions. And, you know, we're definitely seeing in the numbers. The things that are, you know, kind of coming against us a little bit obviously, you know, China is such a big port portion of earnings, all of Asia is a big portion of our earnings. With that being down as much as it was it's masked a lot of it. As well as you've seen some elements of sales and mix pressure in the U.S., in particular, but also in Europe as some of our higher profitable vehicles had some reductions in their volume but I would say overall and the things that we can control, were seeing significant improvements and I'd say building momentum that that gives us some promise that there's more opportunity to run as we go forward.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

That's helpful. And I guess zeroing in specifically on the fourth quarter. So, I think you're mentioning maybe it's shaking a little bit softer sequentially than the third quarter can we speak little bit about the puts and takes over here from a high level. I could see that your equity income expectation is quite a bit weaker into the fourth quarter, curious what are you seeing there, obviously no more seasonality of revenue as well which is down, but I would also have expected offsetting these to see further progress in the operational turnaround maybe further benefit. Can you just put a little bit of a finer point of how these are expected to shake out?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

It's a good question and obviously there is a lot of volatility that can happen in the numbers as we go forward as we're still sort of early days of the turnaround here. But I would say a couple of things. One is revenue is going to be highly impactful to us. Our calendar Q3, our fiscal Q4 is the time of volatile production schedules and it's even more volatile in these days. So, we have seen a lot of downtime in the customers from a normal perspective and then there has been some downtime that hasn't been necessarily planned or contemplated, which has played -- had the difficulty here. Because you can imagine that our margin is roughly two times -- our contribution margin is roughly two times or EBITDA margin, so you know that revenue falls and it has a bigger impact. We are still seeing improvements, we are still seeing all those things I just talked about an operational way, line performance, et cetera., but it's counteracting some uncertainty in the market and that really what drove our numbers. As it relates to China, our fiscal Q3, we think it was probably the low water points from a production schedule, primarily due to the emissions change as the market was closed to a 20% down in production but we still are seeing roughly 15% down production environment in China in our fiscal Q4 that will drag our numbers and contemplated in the numbers I talked about earlier.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

But just to be clear that’s very helpful, just to be clear should we expect further benefits from operational improvements in the fourth quarter beyond what was in the service.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Maybe I didn’t get your question Emmanuel, can you say it again.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

Just curious if in offsetting these headwinds that you spoke about, are they also some function increase in operational improvement between the service.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

I think we're still seeing all those things we talked about its just that's what they are fighting against I guess is the point here. So, the improvements and what we’re saying in launch performance in premium freight and just all across the board a better execution. I would say better relationship with the customer finding more opportunities where the customer and us can have win-win situations, our VAVE group essentially Doug formed when he came here in a much more meaningful way than had existed is really starting to gain traction, all those things are helping offset some of those headwinds I just articulated.

Emmanuel Rosner

Analyst

Great. Thanks for the color.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Colin Langan of UBS. You may ask your question.

Colin Langan

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. I’m not sure that some of our Brian question earlier but I think in the past that you had mentioned renegotiating our commercial negotiations about 40% of the issues that you're facing impacting March. I think it was 60%, 40% pricing. I mean where are you seeing the pricing negotiations they are completed and if not, where do you stand on trying to set new pricing contract.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

First of all, thanks for the question, Colin. When I think about my initial comments when I first arrived at, I was characterizing things as you know renegotiation I think as I spent time and got more engaged with team. What turned into a renegotiation really was more a backlog of open commercial issues, so I would characterize it different. This isn't a business that was underbid, and we had to go and completely reprice. You know products like seating that are engineered products that go through the development cycle there’s a number of scope changes that had commercial impact and because the company was experiencing distress launches the customers really weren’t particularly interested in having any commercial discussion until we resolve their operational issues. So, just adding a little bit more color. I think the characterization of 60:40 is at a macro level, a pretty good assessment though I would say how you resolve the issues, you can capture on those operational or not, the one example we illustrated in the earnings deck today was a way to solve a commercial issue through operational improvements and that is kind of getting the customer recognizing what real run rates are going to be out of his operation, they're different than the contractual agreement that were forced to support from a capacity standpoint. Once they essentially relieve us from that contractual obligation, we can then flex down our labor and pull that cost out. Do you call that commercially or do you call that operational, you can bucket it either way, the way it buckets in our numbers internally that shows up more operationally because pricing didn’t change, but labor against pricing has gone down significantly. So, some real great progress made there. Going back to the first question, I think…

Colin Langan

Analyst

Got it that’s helpful and any color on the operational issues I mean is it can you boil it down to the one that’s are purely operational and contractual issue I mean is it I think in the past you said handful plans are you down to two or three plans that are driving some of that and how quickly can those pure operational issues exit [ph]?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Yeah, I think what we’ve done is we’ve got now changed the approach initially it was really a handful plans in a few regions that were deeply distressed, and they were in the midst to launch. That to a certain degree stabilized. I would say despite approach the way we run the business. In every region, we will always have a top five focus plant initiative. Plants that we think are underperforming operationally. And so, each - Americas, Europe and Asia have a top five, we'll constantly be working those. I think you can see some of the performance gains we're making in premium freight, containment costs, which is on the line inspection. Good progress there. The real, I'd say inflection point in the -- in our performance will be as we go through our next phase of launch activity. And the way, we capture launches is really all in efficiencies. SOP plus 90 days. If those inefficiencies are still in place, it moves -- we capture with operational waste containment and things like that. The launches that we're having now are going quite well. And what I'm anticipating is that as we transition those projects out of the launch phase into standard production pace, we'll be operating with the lower level of cost structure, inefficiencies that have been really killing us over the past couple of years. So again, as we come out with our 20 numbers. We will probably put brackets around that to -- you can anticipate year-over-year improvement in those areas.

Colin Langan

Analyst

Got it. Thanks for taking my question.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. John Murphy of Bank of America-Merrill Lynch. You may ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning. This is Ingrid Smith [ph] on for John. Your first question, you've commented in the past that you're China joint ventures have largely been self-funding in nature. And as we understand it, this has been a reason why that business had been holding up better than the consolidated business until more recent quarters. As the market is deteriorated, how much control does Adient have on pulling cost out of its JV? Is it tougher than the consolidated business to be decisive in surgical and cost reduction? Given the JV partners?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

I'll start out answering the question. Jeff can certainly provide some more detail. I think less about, I mean, indirectly, it's our JV partner. It's really our relationship with the government that if there is anything that presents a barrier to our ability to flex on the cost side. It's maybe what the government's position within the region, the city that that plant operates. I would say for the most part, the vast majority, we have a lot of influence consolidated, obviously unconsolidated at driving that down. I would say our partners have a huge vested interest in those operations remaining profitable and conserving cash. I've been actually quite impressed to see the reaction in China, considering that's not been the mode of preparation for the last whatever you could argue 20 years. And so, we've really flexed out our costs aligned with volume. And if you look at the performance of the region, against that volume drop. You can see, basically they are maintaining a level of profitability and there's a small footnote in that even if you look at the non-consolidated - that performance is pulling through. So, I don't -- there is really not huge barriers to us to influence that.

Jeff Stafeil

Operator

Right. And fortunately, our JV partners are very aggressive with it. We were somewhat concerned as we went into this, because China had an experience to downturn of any significance in a long time. And as a result, we were working with them closely. But they were quite aggressive. If you look at our margin performance in the quarter year-to-date, we've adjusted extremely well in the region to the sales environment. And if you think that contribution margins are roughly two times EBITDA margins, they've held margin, despite the sales decline and despite is pretty significant sales decline. So, I would say that, they've performed extremely well and should be poised when the market recovers to profits have a little bit of a rebounder of a pickup and margin as that happens.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great, that's very helpful commentary. And then a bit of a follow up questions to some that have been asked already on pricing dynamics. Doug in the nine to 10 months that you've been on the job if you could perhaps qualitatively comment as commercial discussions with customers been more or less challenging in recent months as the industry environment remains really tough. And asked another way, are you seeing your customers pushback more so now than they perhaps did earlier this year, when I think there was an assumption that some of the industry pressure might be more transitory?

Doug DelGrosso

Management

It's always pretty challenging. I can't think of any time that pricing discussions with our customers have not been challenging. And expectations high when volumes strong, there is high expectations, when volumes slow, there is high expectations, more of a sense of desperation. I think what's really changing right now, and, and this is very much specific to the seating business. In a -- make these comments against the backdrop and not being in the business for a while and coming back to it. I think over the last few years, our customer has moved to controlling a lot of the supply chain and controlling a lot of the engineering of the product. And when the market was strong, that worked relatively well, I would argue there were a lot of inefficiencies with it. But the strength of the market overcame the inefficiencies. What we're seeing right now is the market weakens or there is concern that the markets weakening our customers are not really equipped to find ways to reduce costs as effectively as they have had in the past. And it's in every single customer that I've met with has an initiative right now, to engage with the supply base, to find ways to reduce costs. I consider that a great opportunity in one that didn't exist over the last few years, because there was a sense that they could control this more effectively than the supply base. We're not going back to the days of full-service supplier and things like that. But over the course of the last, I'll say two months, we've had executive level meetings with four of our major customers, and I'm expecting to have them with all of our major customers, where they've they really opened up the door and said, Look, bring us our ideas, we need to find ways to benchmark our vehicles against our competition, to look for value creation opportunities. And what I like about it as well as because it's happening at a high level, we're not bumping into the normal for bureaucracy end resistance to change that those executives are taking it on, they're directing the organization to go after these ideas, if you bring them forward, and you've really done your homework. And you can present them with all of the insight of why this is a good thing for them to do and what the risk assessment is. I see a window of opportunity here for us to get some things done that up until recently, we haven't been able to do it. So, always a lot of pressure, always high expectations. But if we can link it to actually pulling cost out, and then sharing some of that, then it's a win-win.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. That's very helpful. And last one if I may for Jeff, in terms of drifting and actions taken to reduce cap expand that you cite on slide 19. Can you detail where this is coming from? Is it maintenance CapEx and restructuring actions that you're getting a bit more efficient on? Or is it gross CapEx that you're pulling back on in anyway?

Jeff Stafeil

Operator

I wouldn't characterize it as growth CapEx at all. I think it's smarter utilization of our capital. I mean, there is examples of reusing equipment, instead of buying new welding lines looking for opportunities there. I'd say lots of efficiencies in how our program teams are going about capitalizing a new program. So that's one, the timing of it too. We also I think compared to some previous years, we've really drifted down on will say the unnecessary CapEx that had been in the business or stuff that really wasn't focused on the business, an example might be our old headquarters building that we had spent a fair amount of money on. We've directed really our capital towards things that really provide the best returns and making sure we do not jeopardize any programs or any launches as a result, so that's another thing, just in the sequence of drifting, we also made sure that we don't leave any programs in disarray as we drift that capital. So, I'd say good balanced with a lot of discipline, a lot of team members really thinking creative ways and remembering we do have a pretty substantial asset mix in the company. Also, which will drive our CapEx down in the future just to kind of give forward look on this, it won't -- it doesn't impact too much in 19 or even 20 but as we take a little bit of focus away from growth in the SS&M business that is where our large majority or large portion probably half of our capital has been dedicated in the past, some significant opportunities to reduce the spending in that area.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great, that’s very helpful.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Thanks for the questions.

Mark Oswald

Management

Christie, it looks like we're at the bottom of the hours so that will conclude the call today. Again, I know we do not get to a couple of the questions that were in queue. I’m this afternoon and this morning for follow-up call, so please feel free to give me a call and reach out. Thank you everybody for participating.

Doug DelGrosso

Management

Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect at this time and have a good day.