It's always pretty challenging. I can't think of any time that pricing discussions with our customers have not been challenging. And expectations high when volumes strong, there is high expectations, when volumes slow, there is high expectations, more of a sense of desperation. I think what's really changing right now, and, and this is very much specific to the seating business. In a -- make these comments against the backdrop and not being in the business for a while and coming back to it. I think over the last few years, our customer has moved to controlling a lot of the supply chain and controlling a lot of the engineering of the product. And when the market was strong, that worked relatively well, I would argue there were a lot of inefficiencies with it. But the strength of the market overcame the inefficiencies. What we're seeing right now is the market weakens or there is concern that the markets weakening our customers are not really equipped to find ways to reduce costs as effectively as they have had in the past. And it's in every single customer that I've met with has an initiative right now, to engage with the supply base, to find ways to reduce costs. I consider that a great opportunity in one that didn't exist over the last few years, because there was a sense that they could control this more effectively than the supply base. We're not going back to the days of full-service supplier and things like that. But over the course of the last, I'll say two months, we've had executive level meetings with four of our major customers, and I'm expecting to have them with all of our major customers, where they've they really opened up the door and said, Look, bring us our ideas, we need to find ways to benchmark our vehicles against our competition, to look for value creation opportunities. And what I like about it as well as because it's happening at a high level, we're not bumping into the normal for bureaucracy end resistance to change that those executives are taking it on, they're directing the organization to go after these ideas, if you bring them forward, and you've really done your homework. And you can present them with all of the insight of why this is a good thing for them to do and what the risk assessment is. I see a window of opportunity here for us to get some things done that up until recently, we haven't been able to do it. So, always a lot of pressure, always high expectations. But if we can link it to actually pulling cost out, and then sharing some of that, then it's a win-win.