Antonio Carrillo
Management
Sure. Let me start with steel. I think when you see steel prices, of course, tariffs came on steel, and immediately prices jumped. And the reality is that the demand for steel in the U.S. is not there. I mean, steels are still operating at a very low capacity. If you look at steel operations, they're lower this year than for the last couple of years, and the demand is not there. So pricing is artificially high due to tariffs. And the way I would phrase it is we are seeing steel mills willing to negotiate prices, which is normally not the case when demand is high. So I think we are in a period where this thing will stabilize, and the steel prices as we see them cannot stay here for a long time with this demand. So steel is not a huge worry for me. And then on the demand for barges, there's two sides. One, tank barges, I think demand is a little more consistent. The type of customers and the products that are moved are a lot more sensitive to the age of the barge and the quality of the barge. So we see very good inquiries, and plus, steel is a smaller component of the cost of the barge because there's a lot of equipment on those tank barges. So we see very good things happening on the tank side. Our backlog extends now deep into 2026, even though we're still running at low capacity. And when you look at the demand that the replacement needs over the next five years, we really need to get going if the customers want to replace those barges. Otherwise, we will not have the capacity. On the dry cargo side, I would say steel is a big thing where people are more concerned about steel. But I think the biggest thing there is really the trade situation with China on the commodity, specifically a soybean and corn and some other commodities. So I think trade talks, based on this morning, they have announced that their trade talks with China are important and getting some certainty in our customers that the U.S. will continue to be a huge exporter of agricultural products is very important. And I think once that noise, let's say, goes away at some point in the next few months, I think steel will be less of a factor. And we are excited about, again, the position. If you look at the demand for barges, hopper barges, over the next five years, we need to get started also on replacing them because they are aging really, really fast.