Antonio Carrillo
Management
You know, I would say very different circumstances in tank and in hopper barges. Let me start with Hopper. I think Hopper is more sensitive to price, and I think people are still thinking that prices are coming down, so they, you know, they're a little more, let's see, concerned about steel price increases. On the tank barge side, when you look at the customer mix, for two things. On the tank barge, there's a lot more regulation involved on the certification by the Coast Guard, etcetera. So they have less flexibility on how much they can let the barges age and the quality of the barges and the state of the barge that they are operating. So they have fewer options. Of course, there's always a concern about steel prices, but I think a lot of customers, what they're watching now, especially on the tank barge side, when you look at the amount of barges that need to be replaced over the next five years, both hoppers and tanks. And you look at the production capacity that the industry players, the barge manufacturers have right now, so if they don't start ordering a lot of barges right now, there's going to be a problem getting them. And when I talk to customers, I sense concern about whether there's going to be capacity to supply all these barges that need to be replaced. So I think that's what you're seeing in our barge backlog, that some people are trying to, I think the Hopper people have not taken that step, but at some point, when you look at the amount of barges that need to be replaced, there's a limit to how much you can wait. So as I mentioned in my remarks, waiting to see if steel prices come down, especially with the tariff threat right now, it's not a very wise option, but, of course, I don't buy barges.