Xavier Destriau
Management
Capex-wise, what we have in ’24--what we had in ’24 is limited. It’s containers, it’s equipment mostly, and some also IT related capital expenditures. We have two--in terms of vessels, we have two 8,500 TEU ships that we announced recently we would acquire - those would be for less than $100 million transaction combined, and apart from that from a vessel perspective, what will happen is whether we do or do not re-charter some of the capacity that comes up for renewal. In terms of debt service or lease liability repayment, if you look at what was the situation--or if you look at our cash flow statements for 2024, the total amount reached between $2.5 billion to $2.6 billion altogether. That included the down payment that we paid for the new build capacity that was delivered to us of 29 ships altogether in 2024, and also included the option that we exercised on five vessels earlier in 2024, so that combined represented $440 million of one-off amounts paid and reported in our cash flow statement as a lease liability repayment, because actually from an accounting perspective, this is what it is, so those will not be repeated obviously in 2025, leaving aside the $90 million or $100 million that I talked about on the two vessels that we’ve announced we would purchase from the vessel owner that is chartering those ships to us today. We will see--so you should expect to see in 2025 a reduction from this $2.5 billion, $2.6 billion that we incurred in 2024, both because of the one-off that is not happening and, two, an additional--an incremental cash saving from a cash flow, or cash outflow perspective due to the fact that we are letting go in a way the more expensive tonnage, and if we do replace some of the 28 ships that we have up for renewal in 2025, it is more likely than not that the rates that we would secure would be lower than the one we are currently paying, as most of those charters were secured in 2021 - 2022 during the height of the COVID days and the height of the charter market. By and large, we will see in 2025 when compared to 2024 a reduction on our lease liability repayment coming from two elements, the one-offs in ’24 that are not going to repeat themselves in ’25 and also the fact that we continue to benefit from the lower chartering rate of our new tonnage, and possibly of the tonnage that we will renew in the period.