Juan Hernandez
Analyst · Tim Chiodo from UBS
Tim, yes, thanks for the question. Great enumeration there. I think this touches also on some of the comments from Will earlier. So yes, the 6-week move, again, like we started that because customers were asking for more time and payment flexibility. And then we found through experimentation like this is a great fit with what our customers are looking for. The margin profile is a lot better. We're also seeing higher customer retention from the 6-week construct. So it's like an important factor there to think about as we talk about growth long term. I think you got the right call-outs on originations, which is as we moved from 4 weeks to 6 weeks, we made the decision to keep the credit limits the same. And I guess like you could probably figure it out easily, which is that if you keep the credit limits the same, you extend the duration, customers are going to borrow less frequently. So we saw actually a 7% quarter-over-quarter decline in originations per customer during the rollout. This was as expected, knowing that we made the decision to keep the limits the same. Again, like this is coming with stronger margins that are supporting the stronger gross profit and variable profit growth. The other thing to call out is just like we're facing really tough year-over-year comps if you look over the past years, just like big, big levers that we've pulled. Q3, we're facing a comparison against shipping the SFS migration of Borrow of last year. And then coming up in Q4 and Q1, we're comparing against the launch of Cash App Green. So to get to your list, yes, I think that you're pretty much on point with a lot of those. That's how I'm thinking about growth. First off, on my mind, yes, we're on the other side of migrating borrow from 4 weeks to 6 weeks. We've already done experiments of like what are some other ways that we can do this to try to optimize for more growth. We're excited to be experimenting with the higher limits. We think that that's definitely like a very strong possible path to go down. Just to give you context, the maximum limit for Borrow right now is only $1,500. In contrast, BNPL, and that's all of our 6-week BNPL products, which have the same duration, same target customers, those have a maximum limit of $3,000. So we're actually launching experiments right now to see how much of that growth can we attain on the Borrow side. And so we're excited to push forward with that. The other thing is, as you said, we're not just talking about borrow. We've been launching other Afterpay products within Cash App. So post-purchase BNPL and Afterpay on Cash App Card are both growing at really, really impressive rates. I think Amrita already shared like the year-over-year and the quarter-over-quarter growth rates. But the other thing to think about is that I think about all the time is like how are we learning as a business like you ship one product. It's very, very hard to ship a consumer lending product. And then shipping a new product, I'm always trying to like beat our record and kind of have like this funny name that is like, hey, look how fast we got to this growth checkpoint. And so here's the checkpoints that I'm looking at today. For post purchase, it's currently operating at 3x the origination volume that borrow was at the same stage of development. And then Afterpay on Cash App Card, which we just launched for the first time to consumers just this year, not too long ago, it's operating at more than 20x as much origination volume as borrow at the same stage of development. So like we're definitely moving up that learning curve. I think a big part of that is also just like the reinvigoration in the last couple of years from like AI just really driving a lot more acceleration, but a lot of it is just expertise of knowing like how are we going to ship this next product. Both of these also, we haven't even started like SFS migration for these products. So we're looking forward to additional expansion that's going to drive a lot of growth on these products. So the other thing is, I think like as we build new products, like we know that we haven't solved for all of our customer needs. People are going to need to borrow in different form factors. There's different segments of customers. We think that the velocity that we're building here is really just going to continue as we launch new products to solve new things. And then I think the other thing to think about is in addition to like all the points that you've made and that I've made also is like this new orthogonal growth vector, as I like to think about it, which is the Cash App score. Like this is like a big shift in how we're thinking about the products where it's not just about, hey, let's launch the next like lending product, but it's like how do we actually ship and monetize the technology layer that underpins all of our lending products. So again, like the Cash App score is our way of extending underwriting as a form of intelligence like to our partners. Just earlier this year, we announced a distribution partnership with Nova Credit, which we're super excited about. We also have a lot of very interested direct partners that are evaluating the Cash App Score through data studies. Like again, like I can't speak more highly about like how I think about the data that we're using versus like the status quo. One of the things that we found by experimenting with our data and looking at historical comparators is that we showed like a potential for up to 30% higher approval for auto loans at a constant loss target compared to like the status quo. So I think there's like tremendous upside. And I think it goes without saying that for customers and what this means for like the Cash App ecosystem, there's also a lot of upside because I think that when customers are able to see that like everyday money movement is going to create more credit opportunities than traditional methods. We think that it's going to drive even more engagement with Cash App. So we're really excited about what's coming in the future.