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Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 27, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Xerox Holdings Corporation’s Fourth Quarter and 2022 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the meeting over to Mr. David Beckel, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

David Beckel

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. I’m David Beckel, Vice President and Head of Investor Relations at Xerox Holdings Corporation. Welcome to the Xerox Holdings Corporation Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Release Conference Call hosted by Steve Bandrowczak, Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by Xavier Heiss, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. At the request of Xerox Holdings Corporation, today’s conference call is being recorded. Other recording and/or rebroadcasting of this call are prohibited without the express permission of Xerox. During this call, Xerox executives will refer to slides that are available on the web at www.xerox.com/investor, and will make comments that contain forward-looking statements, which, by their nature, address matters that are in the future and are uncertain. Actual future financial results may be materially different than those expressed herein. At this time, I’d like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Bandrowczak.

Steve Bandrowczak

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining our Q4 2022 earnings call. One year ago, it would have been difficult to predict the number and severity of obstacles we and many other companies would face in 2022. Supply chain conditions were challenged entering this year. In February, Russia invaded Ukraine and the humanitarian tragedy that disrupted supply chains further and led to the effective shutdown of our operations in those markets. These and the aftereffects of the pandemic fueled an unprecedented level of inflation and currency dislocation. And Central Bank efforts to control inflation drove historic increases in interest rates. Finally, for Xerox, last year, we unexpectedly lost our dear friend and leader, John Visentin. I am proud to report that we managed through these challenges taking significant corrective actions to match supply with demand and lower cost to offset inflationary headwinds. For the year, revenue of $7.1 billion increased 1% in actual currency and 4.8% in constant currency. Our first year of constant currency revenue growth since our separation from Conduent. However, growth in revenues and cost savings were more than offset by broad-based inflationary pressure, resulting in a decline in operating profits and free cash flow. Still we delivered revenue and free cash flow above the revised guidance levels given last quarter. Throughout the year, our company and our people remained resilient and never lost focus on what is most important, providing value to our clients. I couldn’t be more proud of the effort our team expended in the fourth quarter to deliver the highest level of quarterly equipment revenue since 2019, an accomplishment that was instrumental in driving full year revenue and free cash flow above our revised guidance. We ended the year with momentum in our values and business performance. Sustainability has long been a top…

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. As Steve mentioned, 2022 was a challenging year on a number of fronts. Revenue and profitability were impacted by surging inflation, supply chain challenges, currency disruption, the war in Ukraine, higher interest rate and as a consequence an uncertain and unpredictable macroeconomic environment. Encouragingly, we ended the year stronger with full year revenue exceeding our initial guidance of at least $7.1 billion, despite more than $250 million of currency headwinds and a more than $90 million headwinds from halting sales to Russia. Adjusting operating margin improved sequentially each quarter this year and grew 440 basis points year-over-year in Q4, due in large part to improved product availability. Full year of free cash flow exceeded our revised guidance, and we put in place a funding solution at FITTLE that will improve future free cash flow generation while supporting FITTLE’s growth. Q4 revenue grew in actual and constant currency for the first time since quarter 2 of 2021 due to resilient demand for our product and services and improvements in product supplies and mix. Revenue growth of 9.2% at actual currency was negatively impacted by 470 basis points of currency headwind, notably the euro and British pound. Equipment revenue grew significantly, reaching its highest level since Q4 of 2019 due to an improvement in supply chain conditions. As a result, our backlog, including equipment on IT hardware, declined 43% sequentially to $246 million. Our backlog remains elevated, but it’s healthy. We expect backlog to decline through the first half of the year as supply chain conditions further normalize. Post-sale revenue grew mid-single digit in constant currency for the fourth consecutive quarter. Growth this quarter was driven by IT services, which includes the acquisition of Powerland and consumable. The resiliency of contractual print services revenue was…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Ananda Baruah from Loop Capital.

Ananda Baruah

Analyst

I guess just kick-starting right there, Xavier, with your comments about being kind of risk for the guidance and what you’re seeing from customers. Can you give us any context about sort of what you’re hearing and seeing from enterprise customers, sort of folks have started to see some slowing in enterprise? It doesn’t seem like you guys are meaningfully seeing it yet. And so you did -- I think you pointed equipment sales out just now is kind of like the primary risk to the forecast that you see. So just some context there. And then I have a quick follow-up after that.

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Ananda, Happy New Year to you as well. So yes, so what we are seeing here from a demand point of view, from our customer, enterprise and SMB customer, the demand is still strong. And Q4, as you have noticed, it has been a very good quarter for us. It was driven by the ability to reduce backlog -- equipment backlog, mainly with A3 equipment. But at the same time, the order pattern remains strong. So we still see a demand on our offering, and I should also flag services. So I have commented in the early comment there, we have seen equipment demand being strong. But if you look at the post-sales revenue, post-sales is made of contracted activities. So some of this is print related, some of it is not print related. And when we look at our forecast, we want to be, let’s call that realistic and balanced in the way we approach it. Realistic because the macro environment is an environment which is bringing uncertainty. At the same time, we are confident and balanced when we look at the demand, not only for the equipment side but also for the solution side. I’m sure, Steve will be able to comment what the offerings are currently driving this demand here.

Steve Bandrowczak

Analyst

Yes. I am Steve. So one of the things that we’re seeing, if you think about the macro environment with inflation, with the ability to be able to higher cost increases, all of our customers are dealing with those macro trends. And so as we think about customer success and really driving solutions specific to driving productivity for our customers, we think we have a great opportunity to expand inside of the existing customer base that we’re in today. Simple example, if you think about school districts and their challenge with administrators, teachers, having more, doing more with less, how do we drive more productivity in workflow, things like, our equipment can do language translation, our equipment can grade papers, our equipment can do and look at things like plagiarisms on documents. So driving productivity, driving workflow inside of very specific verticals, we can actually help drive and penetrate and help our customers with their macro trends, and we believe we’ve got a great opportunity to play certainly in the small and mid-market space.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Erik Woodring from Morgan Stanley.

Erik Woodring

Analyst

Congrats on the really strong results in the December quarter. Steve, I guess, I wanted to ask you a bigger picture question and that is just, as we enter 2023, it feels like based upon our conversations that most enterprises and small businesses have kind of settled down into their hybrid work set up, whatever that may be. I’m just curious kind of what you’ve learned now as we’ve seen kind of hybrid work and work from home normalize, what have you seen in terms of how enterprises and SMBs are consuming Xerox in this new world? What’s maybe surprising to you? What maybe is -- came a bit unexpected to you? Would love to just get your feedback on that. And then I have a follow-up.

Steve Bandrowczak

Analyst

Yes. I think there’s a couple of things, Erik. First of all, you’re right, companies are getting settled into this new hybrid environment, but it’s driving significant challenges in and around security of documents and data security around how workflows happen in the company, how do you drive productivity. And so what we’re seeing is a great opportunity for a couple of things. One, to actually play in that space, right, we have been incredibly innovative through the years around how we drive workplace productivity. This is just a new area for us in terms of workplaces wherever an individual is. And so we see an opportunity to do a couple of things. One, with our products and solutions, workflow with our cloud solutions, AI solutions, what we think we can do with augmented reality, we can actually help customers drive productivity, but more importantly, drive insights to the data that they have inside of those workflows. So we believe there’s a great opportunity for us to play in that space and really be the provider of choice to help customers in this new world wherever their employees are and drive productivity and drive insights to data. So that’s the first thing. Second, as you think about the macro headwinds that customers are facing, as I talked a little bit earlier to Ananda, we have an opportunity to drive some very specific workflow solutions. You heard me talk about what we’re doing in accounts payable. We can do things like drive productivity and help our end customers in their workflow, but very specific around verticals and very specifically around customer success. And so we think we can play in this area, and we have a great opportunity to expand our wallet share inside of customer accounts there.

Erik Woodring

Analyst

Okay. Super. That’s super helpful, Steve. And then, Xavier, maybe a question for you is, really nice to see some margin expansion into 2023. Can you help us -- two-part question, can you help us maybe better understand the trade-off between gross margins and OpEx in 2023, how to think about each of those? And then what would be some of the more influential factors that you would have to see in 2023 to help you maybe get operating margins closer to, for example, 2020 or 2021 levels?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Erik. So as you have noticed it on that, we commented it in quarter 3, Q4 was an important quarter for us. And you have noticed that we have been able to drive margin up and Q4 was a strong quarter, driving the overall margin for the company and for the year up there. So the ingredients that make it work and the ingredients that will be required to achieve the plan that we have in quarter -- in 2023 are quite simple. #1 is things that we have already put in place. We have put in place price increase. Price increases in order to phase some of the cost inflation, but also to rebuild the margin here. These price increases have been enacted in 2022, towards the year, and we’ll have a flow-through of price increases that will still be valid and be measured during 2023. This price increase, as you know it, are contractual. 2/3 of our revenue is annuity-based, is contractual, which means that when we enact a price increase and it lasts, it lasts for the year and for the year after and the year after. So second point is the improvement on supply chain. You know that 2021 and 2022 have been, I would say, literally crazy from a supply chain point of view. And I say mainly the cost of supply chain and the uncertainty around this year. We are expecting -- and we’re already seeing it, the supply chain condition to normalize. And even if the cost of container is not yet at what it was pre-supply chain crisis or pre-Ukraine and the COVID situation, I mean we have seen great improvement in the cost of container shipment, which will help to improve the gross margin up. Finally, is the way we will invest. And the last point is quite important. We commented in our earnings that we are putting in place a flexible cost base. But in flexible, it just means that we will be very selective in the way we make the investment. And in an uncertain macro environment, our responsibility is to ensure that we prioritize for term high yield return investment versus longer-term investment. So that’s a key component. Obviously, we will have to offset some of the headwinds that could exist. Technically, you know that we have the benefit of the Fuji Xerox royalty, we still have some inflation costs there. But that’s the reason why back to the 3 main components that I mentioned to you, price, supply chain and investment. We are confident in our ability in 2023 to expand our operating margin.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Samik Chatterjee from JP Morgan.

Angela Jin

Analyst

This is Angela Jin on for Samik Chatterjee. Congrats on a strong quarter. So a question about backlog. So I saw that backlog came down about $183 million quarter-on-quarter, and equipment sales are up $164 million quarter-on-quarter. So can you just walk us through the gap there? Like, is the implication here that you’re seeing an uptick in cancellations or equipment order rates are dropping? And if you continue at this rate, will you reach pre-pandemic levels back within a quarter? So how should we think about sort of the cadence of backlog into the first quarter of 2023.

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Yes. Angela, so the backlog here, I would say it’s a good story because you know this backlog was building up. We started to see a decrease of the backlog in quarter 3, and we were pleased to be able to get some of these backlogs reducing and to have the 43% decline -- 49% -- just 43%, sorry, of a decline in quarter 4. This is mainly related to the high profit equipment that we have, what we call A3 equipment. And this is related to supply chain conditions improving and also the logistics agility and logistics speeds coming back to a normal level there. So that was a good story. That was a good story because it helped the mix of products that we are selling, bringing it back to, I would say, more normalized mix. Second point, it helped the overall gross margin improvement both on the equipment side, but also some of these products are driving good post-sales revenue and profit here. So that’s regarding Q4. When we look at the order patterns that we are seeing here, we still see quite a very strong demand still for the same mix of products. So our A3 product, Steve described some of the capability of this product, don’t look at them as printer only, they are essential for our customers to drive workflow and productivity that they need in this current hybrid new ways of working here. So when you look at what was the equipment growth versus the decline in backlog, you look at the inventory we have as well on the channels that we measure it, I mean the math works, I mean, we balance it on those growth that we can see on the equipment versus the backlog decline, was in line with what we were expecting and planning for. Looking at next year now, what we are expecting is to flush this backlog during the first half of the year. And to give you a number, the normalized backlog -- if you look at the backlog that we have today versus a normalized backlog, we are currently at 2.5x what is the normal backlog. So we’re expecting this to be cleaned or flushed in quarter 1 with some remaining impact in quarter 2. Assuming supply chain and manufacturing stay good for the rest of the year, you should be in a BAU mode for the second half of the year.

Angela Jin

Analyst

Got it. That’s really helpful. And then for my follow-up, so just thinking about your free cash flow guide of at least $500 million, can you maybe dig in more into, what portion of that is attributable to your core business versus FITTLE? It seems at some point right now that the core free cash flow is, for in the low 100s range unless there’s a plan to sort of very meaningfully ramp originations in 2023.

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Yes. So if I go back to -- let’s start with 2022. In 2022, we said free cash flow is an anomaly. And it is an anomaly for 2 reasons. One anomaly is related specifically to the reduced profitability that we have in 2022. The second point, and I call it, good cholesterol, bad cholesterol. So good cholesterol was that FITTLE is growing. And when FITTLE is going, it means that the FITTLE is using cash and it has an impact on free cash flow. So now if I normalize this, and I project this in 2023, what will be a normal free cash flow? We gave you -- I gave you an indication in my earlier comment there, by saying we expect in 2023 free cash flow without FITTLE movement here, normalized free cash flow to be around 90% to 100% of adjusted operating profit. So that’s a earlier indication of what it could be. Then on top of that, you will have the benefit of what we call the forward flow agreement. You should look at this agreement as being simply the fact that we managed to get a great agreement with [indiscernible] party who will fund the forward flow. By forward flow, you should look at this by saying this is like the future receivable from FITTLE or future origination of FITTLE, and we won’t have to do that from the Xerox balance sheet. What does that mean? It means that you will have the runoff of the book that was on Xerox balance sheet that will be completely offset by this forward flow agreement here. You have to take into account, 1 of the chart in the deck that explain it as an illustration. You have to take into account that FITTLE is still growing at the same time. So this affects the $600 million waive 1 that we have signed in quarter 4, is offset by the fact that FITTLE is growing. So when you look at our guidance of $500 million, this takes into account this normalized free cash flow without FITTLE, let’s say, between $300 million to $330 million. And then you add on top of that roughly $200 million, and then you have this $500 million guidance that we have provided.

Angela Jin

Analyst

All right. And if I could just squeeze in one last quick one. So equipment margins are up to 33%. So it drove a lot of upside in this quarter. It seems like the mix is more favorable than usual with A3 units being shipped and strong U.S. sales. So what is the sustainable level of equipment margins going forward?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

So equipment margins, when I look at the pattern we have had during the year, I’m not stopping only to quarter 4, I look at how equipment margin evolved across the year. And you’re right, mix is a key driver. But one of the key driver was, as well our ability to pass price increases to customers. And to keep this important margin for us, I would say, protected or intact in the way we were dealing on pricing with customers. This is what we have done. And we believe that with the prices that we have enacted and the impact it will have in 2023, we will be able to sustain and offset some of the pricing or cost inflation that we’re expecting here. So normalized margin is not far from what you have seen. I won’t say quarter 4 is entirely representative. But we can -- if you want to -- also provide via our IR team, give more guidance around how we look at the margin for the rest of the year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from a of Shannon Cross from Credit Suisse.

Shannon Cross

Analyst

I’m wondering about just balance sheet cash requirements. As you’re shifting, obviously, your model on the financing side, but also as the business itself changes more to solutions and services, how should we think about what level of inventory over time? Because I would assume this will maybe become a little bit more of an inventory-light model as you move more away from just equipment? And then also just in terms of core cash needed to run the business because I’m trying to figure out what your excess cash is as you think about where maybe you’re going to be exiting 20 -- I guess, ‘23, we’re already in ‘23?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Shannon, let’s go back, so I just provided some articulation. So I will maybe repeat or clarify some of the points here. So you have -- you can look at our guidance for free cash flow for next year in 2 ways, I would say, business without FITTLE and the business with FITTLE. So business without FITTLE, as we mentioned it, 2022 was an anomaly in the way free cash flow came, specifically due to the margin pressure and the erosion of margin, specifically during the first half of the year. Now if you look at the normalized on what we have put and guided for normalized free cash flow without FITTLE for next year, you can count on around 90% to 100% of adjusted operating profit. This is a number between $300 million to $330 million. The second part...

Shannon Cross

Analyst

Xavier, I wasn’t asking about cash flow. I was asking about actual cash. So just to be clear, so I understand the cash flow. I’m just saying what kind of -- what level of cash do you need to run the business? And then just off of your balance sheet because, obviously, you have to pay down some debt right now. But I’m wondering, like, if I think about your company right now, if you generate the $500 million in free cash flow next year, where do you think you need to be in terms of total cash coming out of the ‘23? So that will give us an idea of what excess cash you might use to deploy elsewhere.

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Yes. So we have been -- if your question is related to, I’d say, to capital allocation and what we do with cash here, so the priority is quite simple, and we did not change it, by the way. 50% of free cash flow is returned to shareholders. The first part will be by a dividend. As you know this, we have maintained our dividend and even during COVID-19 period. So we keep our $1 dividend, and this will be one of the driver on the way to drive the cash -- and to bring the cash back to shareholders. So if you take 50% out of $500 million, you are at $250 million. So dividend is in the range of $140 million, $150 million. The way the cash will come and the free cash flow will come during the year will be related to this funding, and if not with FITTLE, it will be progressing. So we will provide a comment or more information during the next quarter earnings on how we will potentially use and the return of this cash between shareholders and also we will invest for the business and in order to support what Steve just described before, the investment or the strategies that we have on high yield, low -- I would say, low time of return that we will have on a product like digital services, but also all the automation offerings and the workflow automation that we are pushing to customers.

Shannon Cross

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess my question is basically, as you think about the debt maturities you have coming due and obviously, the near-term one will be paid with cash on hand. Is your idea to delever the balance sheet over time because you are shrinking the FITTLE business? Or do you anticipate utilizing the cash that you generate from FITTLE in other areas and keeping a higher level of leverage on the -- on your balance sheet going forward?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

So what we plan simply to do is to face our debt obligation. So we have a $300 million debt to pay in March, and we are on line and we plan to pay it based on the cash generated by the business. We are not planning at that time to add like a highly or overall leverage of the balance sheet. And if you look at the debt ladder that we have in 2024, 2025, I’ll say, quite clean. And we think that we’ll be able to face this debt obligation. So I’m not specifically concerned about our ability to phase debt and how debt will take a prevalence versus other type of investments we plan to do.

Shannon Cross

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess, just my last question is, as you talk to customers and you look at some of these management services contracts that you have out there, what is the discussion in terms of page volumes going forward, size of equipment? Are you seeing -- I think last quarter, you talked about some customers sort of negotiating in lower page volumes, is that continuing? Or as offices open up are things normalizing?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Yes. Good question, Shannon. So what we see are currently and we commented, I think we believe we have reached like a normalized position here. We don’t see a higher erosion around, I would say, page volume. We see as well on our ability to negotiate contracts with that product minimums. And from a price point as well, we have had some data points showing that the price increase that we are passing to customers are sticking. So the way we look at this lines, what we call contracted print revenue lines there, the way we look at this line from a revenue next year is like a flattish type of line, which is good because this is not like an accelerated decline. So return to office has been, I would say, slow in some places, a little bit higher in certain geographies. But the way we look at it and for the last 3, 4 quarters, this line had been, I would call that like flattish, steady. So that’s the way we look at it for the next year.

Operator

Operator

And our final question today comes from the line of Jim Suva from Citi.

Jim Suva

Analyst

In your prepared comments, you mentioned about the Federal Reserve changing of interest rates and all that. And then I have a follow-up. But can you just kind of give us some outlook about what we kind of should be modeling or thinking about for interest expense because now that you have your relationship with FITTLE and things like that, it gets a little more complicated, especially with interest rates swinging a lot? Is the Q4 number like a long-term number that we could use or kind of use the full year number and just divide it by 4? There’s just a lot of moving parts in your interest expense item.

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

Jim, so the way to look at the interest rate, and I’m speaking here about core debt. So this first of all, our core debt is mainly based on a fixed interest rate. So all the rates that we had for our debt maturing is not indexed or directly related to the Fed increase -- rate increase or inflation that we can see on the right there. #2, we are paying down our debt, as you have noticed it. We did it this year. We had a maturity of $1 billion coming in March 2023. We took the opportunity early in March and also in December to already pay down $300 million, around $350 million. We have [3, 2, $350 million], we have $300 million left to do, and we plan to do that there. So no concern on our ability to pay down cash. From an interest point of view, if you take just the interest charge that we have had in quarter 4 and you’re really doing well , that means you will be closing the debt and the FITTLE business is not reported directly in this interest because you have this being reported in interest income on the one side, interest expenses on the other side. So the forward flow agreement will obviously change the way in the future on how the interest for the FITTLE business will be reported. Maybe, give me just the opportunity to reinforce 1 point on FITTLE. With the forward flow agreement that we have signed, the business model of FITTLE is changing. And FITTLE is becoming now an asset line -- asset-light servicing model for lease business, specifically related to that office-related or our industry-related type of equipment, Xerox and non-equipment there. What it does mean? It means that the ability for FITTLE to grow outside of Xerox is now enabled, and it is not done at the detriment of the free cash flow. And potentially, as you highlighted, at the detriment of rate or our ability to leverage or to get the rate that could make FITTLE competitive, we signed and we signed this agreement with a strong partner that has a strong balance sheet that help us to support the growth of this business without having the impact on adjusted cash flow.

Jim Suva

Analyst

Okay. And then my quick follow-up. On Page 12 of your earnings presentation, where you talk about the effect on free cash flow of your receivable funding arrangement. I know this year is kind of the inaugural year of this agreement with your financing partners and impacted the net positive, net funding benefit to your 2023 cash flow. Long term, should they kind of equal out, meaning the growth in the receivables, should they kind of equal out? Or should they kind of always be a net funding benefit like we’re seeing in the year 2023?

Xavier Heiss

Analyst

So you’re right, Jim. The way to look at it is over the time and time will be 4 to 5 years, while the runoff of the existing portfolio, which has been funded by, let’s call that the Xerox balance sheet on FITTLE acquisition programs that we have in place. So this one-off will decline over that time, and it will be replaced by this funding agreement. And this funding agreement is done outside of Xerox balance sheet. So this benefit that we see, specifically 2023 and also in 2024, will erode over time. But it will be offset, not from a free cash flow point of view, but in the P&L way of looking at Xerox. It will be offset by the fact that this agreement, as I mentioned, it is a shift in the way FITTLE will work. It will be offset by commission that we are receiving and every time we sell some of this future receivable to our partner. But also, we are still highly, I would say, rewarded by the fact that we will have fees from this business and also some benefit of how we will service and manage this portfolio. So this is a change, this is a shift in the way the FITTLE business is being built. This is for the good, I would say, of Xerox because less use of Xerox balance sheet, while preserving the growth of FITTLE and being able to preserve the revenue on the profit related to this business.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude the question-and-answer session of today’s program. I’d like to hand the program back to Steve Bandrowczak for any further remarks.

Steve Bandrowczak

Analyst

Thank you for listening to our earnings conference call this morning. We have turned the page on 2022. Macroeconomic conditions remain uncertain, but this past year has proven that at Xerox we can react and drive profitable results. I am confident we have the right team and strategy in place to deliver growth and profitability and shareholder returns in 2023 and beyond. Thank you for joining our call and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.