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Xunlei Limited (XNET)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 16, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and thank you for standing by for Xunlei's Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After management's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host today, Ms. Dani Zhang, IR Director of Xunlei. Ma’am, please go ahead.

Dani Zhang

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning and good evening. Welcome to Xunlei's third quarter 2017 earnings call. I'm Dani Zhang, Investor Relations Director at Xunlei. With me today on the call are Mr. Lei Chen, our CEO; and Mr. Eric Zhou, our CFO. Today's conference call is being broadcasted and a replay of the call will be available on our IR website following the call. Our earnings release was distributed yesterday, today and it is now available on our IR website. Before I get started, please note that the discussion today will contain certain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to our SEC filings for a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results. We do not assume any obligations to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable law. During this call, we will be referring to both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures, and the non-GAAP measures are reconciled to the comparable GAAP measures in the table attached to our earnings release, which can also be found on our IR website. Please note that all numbers are in U.S. dollars unless otherwise stated. I will now turn the call over to Lei. Lei, please?

Lei Chen

Management

Good morning, and good evening, everyone. Thanks for joining us today on our earnings call for the third quarter of 2017. I’m pleased to report another quarter of progress and achievement. This is the seventh quarter in which we achieved year-over-year quarterly revenue growth. We beat the revenue guidance of between $41 million and the $44 million for the third quarter of 2017, and we expect the growth momentum will continue into the fourth quarter of 2017. During this quarter, total revenues were $47.3 million, which represented approximately 16% and the 14% increase on a year-over-year on a sequential basis respectively. The growth was mainly driven by our core cloud computing business and our new live video business. Cloud computing grew by approximately 104% on a year-over-year basis, and 24% over the previous quarter respectively. Live video grew by 1,197% on a year-over-year basis, and a 154% over the previous quarter respectively. We are encouraged that our growth initiatives are working. Now, I’d like to add some color to the performance of our major products including cloud computing, membership subscriptions on the Xunlei mobile. In early 2015, we took a unique approach to cloud computing, which we branded as crowd-sourced computing. We leveraged users’ idle time with storage and CPU to offer cloud-computing services to businesses. By this approach, we can help business to reduce cost and improve performance. In the past year or two, we have seen the trend of similar and relevant technology such as edge computing and the serverless paths sprouting from different technology thinkers and evangelists. We believe this trend will continue for a couple of reasons. First, internet of things becomes more important on the start to fundamentally change how we live and how we conduct business. This leads to a variety of applications where…

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you, Lei, and good morning and good evening everyone, and once again, welcome to Xunlei’s third quarter earnings call. For the third quarter, total revenues were $47.3 million, which represented a 15.6% growth on a year-over-year basis. Increases in cloud computing and live video business were the major contributors to the year-over-year growth. Subscription revenues were $20.8 million. The number of subscribers slightly increased from 4.09 million in the second quarter to 4.18 million in the third quarter. The ARPU slightly decreased to RMB33.2 in the third quarter from RMB34.4 in the second quarter. As Lei mentioned in his section, we are very focused on execution and customer care. We are taking measures to improve build experience like release a new premium version, accelerate that product for our members. For our cloud computing business, revenues from cloud computing increased 24.4% on a sequential basis, primarily due to the sales of our new intelligent hardware device OneThing Cloud in September. The device is sold on JD.com and on the website of OneThing Technologies. They accumulated reservations for the device have lately exceeded 8 million units and the demand far exceeded available supplies. Online advertising revenues, which included mobile advertising revenue in the third quarter were $5.7 million. Mobile advertising revenue grew 22.9% in the third quarter of 2017 compared to the corresponding period of last year. Cost of revenues was $28.8 million compared with $24.2 million in the second quarter of 2017. The increase in cost of revenues was primarily due to increased sales and one-time accelerate depreciation of servers in amount of approximately $1.3 million. Gross profit margin was 38.6% as compared with 41.1% in the previous quarter. The declining of the gross margin was mainly due to changes in the revenue structure where revenues from sales of fast…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Jack [inaudible], a Private Investor. Mr. Jack, please ask your question now.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good evening, congratulations to our CEO Mr. Chen Lei for strategic release of One Cloud, which becomes the 2017 hottest product in China. Congratulations to Chen Lei for winning the award of China National Innovative and high technology title for [inaudible] computing and blockchain technology.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you very much.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Congratulation to our new CEO – CFO, Eric Zhou. I have several questions tonight to ask. My first question is to CEO Mr. Chen. I remember after that One Cloud release conference, you mentioned that starting from the release of One Cloud, Xunlei will be all in blockchain. My question is, why blockchain is so critical to Xunlei? What kind of opportunities do you see in the application of blockchain technology? What are the advantages Xunlei has in blockchain? Thank you.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you, Jack, and thank you very much for your kind words. Blockchain technology is a future technology trend that everybody recognizes. It is particularly relevant to Xunlei because Xunlei as Technology Company, our technology is focused on very distributed computing. So, we – our strength stating from the P2P and P2SP technology, which is by nature distributed. Blockchain technology adds to the centralized technical reservoir, which plays really well with the P2P technology that we have. Furthermore, blockchain technology provides mechanisms for us to involve large number of consumers to our crowd-sourced computing ecosystem. It provides a fast and a small amount, extremely small amount and the efficient trustworthy mechanism as a reward system for people who contribute their computing power. Furthermore, blockchain technology is also we believe relevant to our consumer business, which involves the distribution of content. So, we also see a trend in the current technology development of the centralization. In an era where privacy and security become more and more an issue for consumers, the centralized technology will potentially play more and more important growth in people’s life and business. Again thank you very much Jack, and hopefully this answers our…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, that answers many of my concerns. And can I still ask questions?

Lei Chen

Management

Yes, yes, of course.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So I noticed, and you mentioned that there are more than 8 million reservations for One Cloud on JD.com and similarly I noticed that is currently running a lottery system for One Cloud. In Alibaba, people are selling One Cloud at least at triple price. My question is, what is the bottleneck for Xunlei to release more One Cloud, when will consumers be able to purchase One Cloud as they wish?

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you, Jack. So, a little correction, so the accumulated reservations has exceeded 9 million as of today. Apparently, we were not prepared for the – for customers’ enthusiasm of this new product. The production – so since September, we’ve been enhancing and improving our product lines, and we have more than tripled our production so far, and is continuing to increase our production. So, we hope that in the next few months, our production can catch up with demands, but as you know, in hardware, everything is brick and mortar, so it really takes time. Furthermore, we are very cautious of the quality of the product that we build. So, while we’re certainly increasing our capacity, output of capacity but this has to be done without any empowerment to the quality of the product that we deliver to our customers.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you CEO Mr. Chen Lei. And my next question is to our new CFO, Eric.

Eric Zhou

Management

Yeah, go ahead Jack, please.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. So when people share their computing power through One Cloud, they are rewarded with OneThing coins or we call tokens. And Xunlei promise to offer [inaudible] years and services to those owners of those coins. This sounds like a lot potential liability to me. According to U.S., generally accepted accounting principle or U.S. GAAP, potential liability needs be reported on financial statements if the amount can be reasonable estimated or disclosed in the notes to the financial statements. How will Xunlei deal with the liability associated with OneThing coin or the tokens on its financial statement, that’s my question. Thank you.

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you, Jack. We – actually we are discussing with our auditors and also [inaudible], we are also discussing how we are going to chip this. And of course, right now, we just launched a product and so far, the impact on our financial statements are not big. But that being said, we are starting this issue and U.S. a more disclosure in our annual report next year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. I really appreciate you guys…

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you, Jack.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

…this is to be discussed. Yeah, thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Richard Chen. So, Richard, please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Mr. Chen and Mr. Zhou, congratulations on the strong quarter and we’re also seeing strong revenue projections for the fourth quarter as well. So, with regards to the OneThing Cloud, would you be able to comment on the shipment results? Well, I understand that you mentioned that that the orders reservations has reached 9 million, but just wondering where shipments would be. And perhaps also a comment on the financial impact of OneThing Cloud from a sort of revenue and gross margin perspective if you could. Thank you.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you, Richard. Apparently, we’re not segregating the OneThing Cloud revenues in particular. So, we’re currently not disclosing the numbers you just asked.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, understood. Well, perhaps maybe if you could comment on the cost structure, so I noticed that this current quarter bandwidth costs representatives revenue has dropped slightly versus the previous two quarters. If you can just comment how your cost structuring involving and whether that’s related to sort of the mix – change of your business mix that you’re facing right now.

Lei Chen

Management

So, as you know – you may know that we’re part of the innovation on cloud computing in 2015, crowd-sourced computing is a very new and innovative technology. We’re still spending heavily in research and development, and we’re currently not making a profit on cloud computing. While cloud computing is ticking up larger and larger percentage of our total revenue, it has a impact on the structure – cost structure of our total revenue.

Eric Zhou

Management

Well, which in other words, we expect our – the bandwidth cost, the percentages of the bandwidth cost to total revenue will be declining in the future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Leon Dean from Morgan Stanley. Leon, please ask your question.

Leon Dean

Analyst

Hi, good evening management and thank you very much for the call and also congrats on the numbers. Just a quick question, I guess if I could, I have three questions. One is, what is the margin profile for OneThing Cloud? That’s one. Two is that, how do you recognize revenue for OneThing Cloud, just given that you have 9 million in reservation and you are going to speed up the production of OneThing Cloud. And I’m just curious on your fourth quarter guide and as it seems a quite conservative given the ASP of OneThing Cloud and the number of units that’s on back quarter, so that’s my second question. My third question is, the long-term I guess product pipeline or division that you guys are thinking about, what do you guys – what is the long-term I guess vision for one is OneThing Cloud and two is the entire company, what other type of products we have in the works, whether it’s hardware or software, whether it’s independent from OneThing Cloud or integrated with OneThing Cloud. Thank you very much.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you, Leon. So the first question is the margin on OneThing Cloud. We’re currently not disclosing that number, so unfortunately that’s a number that we’re ready to disclose at this point. The second question is about how we’re recognizing revenue on OneThing Cloud. Maybe Eric, you can talk about how we recognize.

Eric Zhou

Management

Well, basically we recognize revenue on our shipment, not reservations, because the 8 million reservations to adjust reservations, they are not the actual sales. So the actual sales on the revenue will be based on actual sales.

Lei Chen

Management

So, correct me if I’m wrong. So what I’m hearing is, I’m going to paraphrase, is that we’ve recognized revenue after the shipment is done.

Eric Zhou

Management

That’s correct, yeah.

Lei Chen

Management

Yes.

Eric Zhou

Management

Yeah.

Lei Chen

Management

That’s my understanding as well. So, about long-term product pipeline, the current thinking of the management team is as follows: Xunlei has a downloading product and it is widely recognized in Chinese market that we are the leader in this market. What we realize is that we need to continue improving our core user experience around downloading. This is very important to us and very important to our customers. And so the company will become more focused in efforts that improve the core user experience around our core functionality. Two, apparently of course, that cloud computing is our main focus moving forward. The crowd-sourced computing mechanism as I talked about earlier, I think provide those methods to reduce to fundamentally and hugely reduce the cost structure of conducting business in the internet and other computational areas. It also provide better solutions to some new product – problems that we’re facing when internet of things as a phenomenon is growing rapidly. We will be very focused and the putting efforts on the money on the table to not only expand our cloud business but develop it in depth and improve both the technology and the quality of service. So, these are the two main focuses of the company today. We also have obligation to shareholders to improve our revenues and margins. Beyond the two main focuses that I just talked about, we’ll obviously try to monetize with both our consumer product as well as cloud computing business. So, that’s I guess – to summarize, I think the company today needs focus, needs to improve our core product and need to monetize better.

Leon Dean

Analyst

Thank very much. And if I could just have one follow-up, regarding to OneThing Cloud. So, what is the expectation for the fourth quarter shipment from a unit wise?

Lei Chen

Management

Well, unfortunately we’re not ready to disclose that number at this time.

Leon Dean

Analyst

Got it. And have we shipped any yet or we have not?

Lei Chen

Management

We’ve shipped. We’ve definitely shipped. We roughly had, we have – we actually started shipments in late September.

Leon Dean

Analyst

So if I recall – if I recall correctly, management, basically you have 9 million in total and before November 11, I think you might have two to three million that was shipped already? Is that – does that number is all right or?

Lei Chen

Management

No, no. No, two to three million I think is still the accumulative reservation first.

Leon Dean

Analyst

Got it, got it, got it, okay.

Lei Chen

Management

Yes.

Leon Dean

Analyst

Thank you, thank you very much and good luck with everything. Hopefully you guys can help the company transform into something much bigger and take a meaningful spot in the new internet of things era. Thank you.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you very much Leon.

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of [inaudible]. Mr. Chang, please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. I’m [inaudible]. I want to know – want to actually know the critical risk of the One cloud coin, and I want to know what are the measurements you are doing to make money from you say these two coin cannot trade on the website. And what will the customer do in the [inaudible] which you make from the token coin, and the critical risk continue or no? This is one – this is the first question I want to know. And the second question is, in the future how Xunlei will do in the personal cloud computation? This is my question, thank you.

Lei Chen

Management

Sorry, Mr. Chang, I think I’m not 100% catching the questions that you ask.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, I want to know – yeah, the first question I will repeat is, that you said customer coins trade there are [inaudible] how is our Xunlei do with coins, and how to make money from this of the customers, how to make money.

Lei Chen

Management

I see, so…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And…

Lei Chen

Management

Okay, I see. The company has no plan to monetize over the coin at all. And as I said before, the crypto token is rewarded to users who volunteer in the OneThing reward program to encourage users to share idle bandwidth storage and the CPU computing for its leverage. That is volunteer program and is set up separate from the sales of the OneThing Cloud product itself. So, I’d like to just explain a little bit about the – about it. So, OneThing Cloud as a product is priced at a slightly lower the market, the competitive market for equivalent products that are offered by other companies. And so, after purchasing OneThing Cloud, the user has a option to enroll into a voluntary program and to share their computing power and we rewarded it by this crypto token. From the beginning we as company has no plan at all to monetize on this coin, and we certainly do not in the future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. The next question I want to know what’s the difference between OneThing Cloud and the ICO, what’s the initial difference between these two?

Lei Chen

Management

Well, the explanation – the definition of ICO I think we’re as a private company we’re not in the position to comment what is the very definition of ICO. But what I can tell our investors is that, we work closely with the regulatory authorities in China and we follow all the local regulations and laws. And we conduct business, we have been conducting business and we will conduct business in a manner that is honest and responsible, and meet all the regulations as law requirements.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

The last question – okay. Compared to China net cash and present of Alibaba, what’s the advantage of Xunlei in the safety and [inaudible]? Okay.

Lei Chen

Management

Well, apparently we use different technologies to deliver the same results or better results to our business customers. Our crowd-sourced computing leverages users idle bandwidth storage and CPU power. As we all know, shared economy, the one important advantage of shared economy is low marginal cost. So, with the growth of scale that our cloud computing business is continuing to obtain in the market, we will have a better cost structure and that’s one major advantage over traditional CDN offerings. I would also point out that even though we started with our CDN business, that is not the – that’s definitely does not set a boundary for us. So we believe the crowd-sourced computing technology can be beneficial and applied to other domain of cloud computing. And we have initiated the effort towards that goal in this quarter, and I wish to report to you further advances in the future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Lei Chen

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Ning Hu from AKQA. Please ask your question Mr. Hu.

Ning Hu

Analyst

Hey, yeah, congratulations to management. So, yeah, I have two questions, the first one is for the CFO, Eric.

Eric Zhou

Management

Yes.

Ning Hu

Analyst

My question is – yeah, have you ever count it the OneThing Cloud hardware totally replaced the previous version [inaudible]. Is that – could it be profit based on current CDN price? Because the CDN market has been fighting for over a year, so that’s my first question. The second question is, based on the company’s balance sheet, so company only have 4% debt, so does the company considering to purchase maybe other CDN business in the future to grow revenue? Yeah, that’s it.

Eric Zhou

Management

Thanks Ning, and for second question, and as you mentioned correctly, we have a very strong balance sheet. And we have almost like $350 million in cash and cash equivalents, which give us a lot of strength for future opportunities. And of course, we will can fit everything and that would be beneficial to our business. I think in the – that basically that I can see today, and of course [inaudible]. And for the first question in the OneThing, do you mean that if we – in the future, the OneThing income replace the conventional procurement of bandwidth, is that what’s your question?

Ning Hu

Analyst

Yeah, my question is, because the OneThing Cloud I believe it will reduce your bandwidth cost. So, my question is, will the company be profit actually making money based on current CDN price, because, which is very low. So, have you ever count for that, so if you like completely launching the OneThing hardware, so…

Lei Chen

Management

So, maybe I’ll try to answer your question. Currently our cloud computing business is not making a profit, it’s still in the investment phase. The reason is not – so the reason is not that our expenses on the [inaudible] is certainly not the reason for not making the profit right now. Actually, the [inaudible] and the OneThing Cloud both are ways to crowd-sourced computing resources, and they both have an advantage of the share economy that allow us to do business at a much lower cost. So, it really isn’t that OneThing Cloud or [inaudible] that really is the issue where it comes to making a profit. It really is a issue of our investment and our technology improvements that will help us to turn the profit in the future. I’m actually prepared to say at this point that I do expect the cloud computing business will turn a profit sometime in the next year.

Ning Hu

Analyst

Yeah, okay, thank you.

Lei Chen

Management

And that will be a – yeah, that’ll be the result of technology improvement.

Ning Hu

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. Over to you sir.

Lei Chen

Management

Okay. Well, thank you again everyone and for joining us today on today’s call. As always, the IR team will be available to answer your any questions you may have. Have a good day. Thanks again.

Eric Zhou

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does concludes the conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.