Ron Rocca
Analyst · William Blair.
Sure. Sure, Griffin. So right now, what happens is you have something called the DAS28, this is where they feel the 28 joints to see whether or not you have rheumatoid arthritis. Obviously, a big TAM, huge area. And the journey goes usually with a methotrexate-type product. And usually from there, the doctor really tries to get you to an anti-TNF. That's just the way it is now. And these anti-TNFs are very expensive. What is shocking to a lot of people that are spending $30,000, $40,000 a year for therapy is it doesn't always work. And a lot of times, those patients fail to reach what they call the ACR 50%. They don't even get 50% better. And the reason for that, quite frankly, Griffin, is the way they use these therapeutics is very empirically, I believe this would work for you. So having a guided diagnostic like ours, and that's the key here. It's changing empiric to guided. We can add real clarity to that clinical diagnosis. RADR can inform which therapy through molecular testing would work best for that patient. And there's really -- this is a platform more than a test. So there's 2 tests coming out of here, RADR 1 and RADR 2. RADR 1, the way it's informing right now is it will tell a naive patient -- that will tell the doctor whether naive patient could metabolize methotrexate. If they can, obviously, they want to use their second test to make sure they're in a therapeutic range. RADR 2 is after they built up some resistance, maybe immunogenicity, maybe for some reason, the therapy is not working so well, instead of using the same class of products, you take our RADR 2. And because we're looking at synovial tissue, keep in mind, this is not a blood test. We can look at the actual look at the site of where the infection is happening. We can then inform on whether they're better off with an anti-TNF with a B depleting or with the IL-6 and eventually even with the JAK inhibitor. So the key here is we're moving from empirical treatment to treatment with a scientific test that can inform based by looking at the actual tissue and letting the doctor pick the right therapy for that patient. That will save a lot of money. There's $18 billion wasted in this area. So payors are very interested in our test. They're very engaged with us at this point, and we're really looking forward to launching both RADR 1 and RADR 2 as soon as possible.