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Xcel Energy Inc. (XEL)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 26, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Xcel Energy First Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. And at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Paul Johnson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Paul A. Johnson - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Xcel Energy's 2018 first quarter earnings release conference call. Joining me today are Ben Fowke, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Frenzel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. In addition, we have other members of the management team in the room to answer your questions. This morning, we will review our first quarter results and update you on recent business and regulatory developments. Slides that accompany today's call are available on our website. As a reminder, some of the comments during today's conference call may contain forward-looking information. Significant factors that could cause results to differ from those anticipated are described in our earnings release and in our filings with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ben.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, thank you, Paul, and good morning. Today, we reported first quarter earnings at $0.57 per share compared to $0.47 per share last year. We're pleased with the solid start to the year and we're well positioned to deliver on our 2018 guidance and our long-term financial objectives. Bob will provide details on our financial performance and a regulatory update in a moment. But I thought I'd share some recent successes and developments with you. I'll start with storm response. Minnesota's legendary artist Prince once sang, sometimes it snows in April. Well, that was certainly true this April. Two weeks ago, winter storm Xanto delivered over 15 inches of unwelcome snow. Our crews braved long hours in whiteout conditions on a weekend restoring power to all customers within 24 hours. Well, apparently, it can also get really windy in April. Last week, we experienced, as Bob Dylan once sang, trees bent over backwards from a hurricane breeze, as we experienced wind gust exceeding 80 miles per hour. Again, we restored power to all customers with similar efficiency. Our results show the planning and dedication of our employees, and why I believe, we have this best storm response in the sector. We were pleased to share our expertise with others in their time of need. In the first quarter, we deployed over 200 employees to Puerto Rico to help restore power and rebuild their system after Hurricane Irma. We worked side-by-side with 17 other utilities and FEMA providing mutual aid. I'm extremely proud of our employees, many of whom worked 16-hour days in this humanitarian effort, as well as those that remained behind in our service territories carrying on the normal system requirements. I'm also proud of the progress we've made in our nuclear operations. In 2017, our nuclear team had…

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Ben, and good morning. We had a strong quarter with earnings at $0.57 per share, compared with $0.47 per share in 2017. While we're $0.10 ahead of last year, it was largely driven by $0.04 per share of weather and $0.03 to $0.04 per share of expense timing. Our first quarter results were in line with our internal forecast. The most significant earnings drivers for the quarter include higher electric and natural gas margins, which increased earnings by $0.08 per share, including the impact of favorable year-over-year weather and rate increases in riders to recover our capital investments, partially offset by wind Production Tax Credits that flow back to our customers. Lower O&M expenses increased earnings by $0.03 per share; higher AFUDC increased earnings by $0.02 per share; and finally a $0.01 per share benefit from increased wind Production Tax Credits resulted in a lower effective tax rate, which flows back to our customers and doesn't have a material impact on net income. Offsetting these positive drivers were increased depreciation expense, reflecting our capital investment program, which reduced earnings by $0.02 per share, and higher interest in other items combined reduced earnings by $0.02 per share. Please note that we've excluded the impact of tax reform from our margin and ETR variation explanations as tax reform is largely earnings neutral, and would otherwise distort the trend in a line-by-line income statement analysis. For more detail, see our earnings release. Our first quarter weather-adjusted electric sales grew 1.1% reflecting strong growth of 1.8% in our commercial and industrial classes. Our weather-adjusted residential sales declined 0.6% as declining use per customer offset customer growth of approximately 1%. Weather-adjusted natural gas sales increased 1.7% in the quarter, reflecting continued customer growth and increased customer usage. And while our electric and gas volumetric…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. We'll take our first question from Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Julien.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hi.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hey. So, a couple of quick items here. With respect to New Mexico and the wind here, obviously, a little bit of a different decision than typically done in the context of rate base. How do you think about the earnings impact in terms of operating the plant on, let's call it, a quasi-merchant basis as you'd look at the approval? And I got a follow-up.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Julien, I mean, what we were seeking, as you know, is not – is more concurrent recovery of the investment. With investment this large when compared to the existing rate base, we thought that was essential to moving forward to projects. I believe we got that with what we agreed to in New Mexico. It's a little bit of a twist from what we originally proposed, but not much. I mean, we keep the PTCs, which are pretty significant, as you know until we file a rate case with the agreement that we won't overearn in that interim period. So, for us, I think that works pretty well.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Effectively, as far as we're concerned, we should largely assume that you're earning at your ROE on the current plant for capacity factor, et cetera?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Yeah. And, Julien, just to be clear, once the project goes into rate base after the rate case, it'll just be traditional earning a return on that rate base. So, it's just the interim period that we're selling into the open market.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Absolutely. And then secondly, could you comment a little bit on the Colorado Plan here, just with the rate case and the ability to refile this summer? How do you think about that impacting 2018 or 2019? It seems negligible, but I wanted to just check on the strategy and impact?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Julien. It's Bob. Yeah. With regard to the electric rate case in Colorado, we had already agreed with the OCC and the Staff to defer any interim rates from June to January of 2019. That reflects our view that the impact on margin in 2018 was de minimis and won't have an impact on our earnings in 2018. We expect to file the case and we're working through the particulars right now with updated year-end actuals for 2017 and with a look at items like tax reform, Rush Creek, and other items. And so we'll be prepared to file that expeditiously.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Excellent. Lastly, just real quickly on the nuclear legislation. Can you give us a little bit of a sense here as to sort of what's on the table if you do not get this legislation done. I'm just trying to understand how important the clarity you need is in order to move forward with these investments, if you could elaborate a little bit?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, I think it's beneficial, Julien. It's an investment that has been frankly probably over scrutinized. That's very important to our 85% carbon-free energy goals by 2030 and we just want a little additional clarity, both from a consumer and a shareholder perspective that once we have a plan approved, that we have – kind of have confidence that if we execute on that plan, we're going to get recovery. Pretty simple. We're not asking for any sort of subsidy or anything like that. It's just – it's an advanced prudence determination essentially. Now, if we don't get, it doesn't mean things change, but I think, we hope, if we don't get it, that at least the dialogue is established that for an investment this significant and this important to these carbon-free goals, we need to have a fair shake when it comes to the regulatory process.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Excellent. Thank you all.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Julien.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Ali Agha with SunTrust.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hi, Ali.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, good morning.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

First question, can you remind us if the Colorado Energy Plan is approved as proposed by you guys that $1 billion, what (20:04) ? Will that money get spent? And how should we think about the funding for that?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Ali. It's Bob. We're still working through the portfolio and the details and the timing of each of the assets that would be implemented as part of that plan. So, I can't give you a definitive answer. Suffice to say that there's wind projects that are seeking 100% PTC, so there'd be some assets that are likely included by 2020. There's some other assets that could come back further in the plan. So, the timing is still a little bit in flux. We're still working through that. We expect to file with the Colorado Commission an update in May, which will have some more details. With regard to the financing of that plan, it's obviously $1 billion investment that will likely need a modest amount of equity to support it. And again the timing of that will dictate sort of how much and when. So, give us some time to work through the details and the particulars. Once the commission reviews it, they're supposed to have it reviewed by August, which is in line with our normal capital planning process. And so we'd expect to include any capital updates and financing updates in our normal third quarter guidance discussion.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. But, Bob, to be fair, I mean, you are looking at that as totally incremental. This wouldn't cause some other CapEx to perhaps move around or be taken out to be replaced by this?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

No. I think if the $1 billion were approved, I think for the forecasted timeframe, all things equal, Ali, we would increase our rate base growth rate to about 7%.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

I see. Okay. And then second question, just understanding the timing of the equity issuance. So, if I read it right, you're assuming $375 million of equity this year, $75 million from the DRIP program, $300 million separate. I guess, first question is that $300 million, should we think of that as the at-the-market sort of plan or could that be a quick block, how are you thinking about that? And then for 2019 and 2020, should we assume that the $75 million run rate continues through the DRIP annually?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Ali, those are both good assumptions. Our sort of case to beat on the equity plan is in at-the-market program late this year, could drift early into next year, but our expectation was to get it done this year. With regard to the DRIP. Yes, $75 million is a pretty good run rate. I think our previous guidance said it was going to be about $385 million over a five-year period. So, at $75 million, it grows to kind of $85 million run rate in the last year.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

I see. Okay. And last question, when I look at the earned ROE over the last 12-month period that you report at the OpCo level, it looks like the regulatory lag right now was (00:23:14) about 40, 45 basis points. Is that sort of the limit we should think about? Just a practical limit or can this earned ROE trend go actually higher than what you're showing us right now?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Ali, we've made progress on closing that gap. We've probably narrowed it by about half when we set that out of the strategic goal. We've made a lot of progress. I think you should expect us to continue to work on that. There's some items – obviously filing rate cases helps the concurrent recovery that Ben talked about with SPS wind should help regulatory lag in general. But, for now, I think that's probably a pretty good assumption, but know that we're always looking to narrow it.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean, to Bob's point, Ali, it gets a little harder to close the remaining gap. There's the structural things and that sort of stuff. But, I mean, so as Bob mentioned, longer term regulatory compacts, I think we're doing a great job of finding cost efficiencies. Those all will contribute to it, but we've pretty much achieved the goal at this point.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

And, Ben, am I right in the math, it's about 40, 45 basis points is where the lag is right now?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Probably a little bit more than that, but you're real close.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Okay.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

We still have some more opportunity.

Ali Agha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Paul.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning. I just have a real quick question. Well, first of all, congratulations on the solid quarter. But what exactly are you expecting in Texas tomorrow?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

(00:24:53). I mean, I think – as I said on the call, we think the projects drive tremendous benefits for consumers. We think there's a lot of support from stakeholders. There were some questions that were asked, and they've been answered, and so we're optimistic that the commission will approve it.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. I was just asking if you're actually expecting an approval or more discussions? But it should be over by tomorrow.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

You could always have more discussion, but our thought is that it's approval.

Paul T. Ridzon - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Travis Miller with Morningstar.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Travis.

Travis Miller - Morningstar

Analyst

Good morning. I was wondering as you go through and as the regulators commissions go through the whole return of this deferred tax liability chunk of money, how much are they looking at the earned ROE versus your allowed ROE and maybe using some of that money to close that gap, so to speak?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Travis, I think it's – they're more – if you have a deferral of rate cases, maybe there's some indirect look at that, but I don't think that's really their focus. I think their focus is on – like we talked about, refund a good portion of it immediately to customers and then look at longer term implications and things that make sense that will help our balance sheet, but will also help customers. So, paying off a prepaid pension asset in Colorado makes a lot of sense. Here in Minnesota, maybe accelerating some additional depreciation for our coal plant – the King plant and doing a little more with low income and maybe being able to stay out of a rate case longer. Those are all things that will benefit consumer and customer alike. So, I think that's where the focus is. And we're comfortable with it.

Travis Miller - Morningstar

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just real quick, the strength in the Electric C&I usage, wonder if you could just elaborate on what's going on there? If it's a trend or if it's just a (00:26:58) type of thing?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

I'll turn it over to Bob, but I'll just leave you with a three letter word, oil.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Look, we experienced C&I declines when oil prices dropped to below $40. And when oil is above $60, we see increased activity in our Southwest business and we see increased sand mining activity in our Wisconsin business, and I think that's the lion's share of the improvement in large C&I across the company.

Travis Miller - Morningstar

Analyst

Great. I appreciate the conciseness.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Paul Fremont with Mizuho.

Paul Fremont - Mizuho Securities USA LLC

Analyst

Thank you very much. I'm just trying to get a better handle on sort of the revised $1 billion estimate on Colorado Energy Plan. When I look at page 7 of your presentation, how much of each of those categories, in terms of megawatts, are you assuming in that $1 billion? Is it the full amount of 1,000 megawatts of wind, the 700 megawatts of solar, the 700 megawatts of natural gas, or is it something less than that?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, you remember that the original objectives or goalposts, if you will, were 50% of the renewables, 75% of the fossil gas generation. We're going through a number of iterations right now, but we're comfortable that based upon what we think the recommended portfolio and additional options might be that we'll end up around that $1 billion, Paul. Not really too much – can't be too much more specific at this point as how much of it is wind, how much of it is solar, how much of it is gas, transmission, or battery, but we feel comfortable that collectively it will be around $1 billion.

Paul Fremont - Mizuho Securities USA LLC

Analyst

But in terms of megawatts, would it be less than the maximum here, and again, subject to the ownership limitations that you put out on the slide?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, it could – I mean, I will tell you, I think the trend will be that wind will probably be better for us to own than solar, and we were well-positioned on the fossil side. But I don't know if I can be much more specific than that.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

And, Paul, just to be clear. The totals on slide 7 of our investment plan are totals for the entire Colorado Energy Plan. They weren't totals for our proportional ownership targets.

Paul Fremont - Mizuho Securities USA LLC

Analyst

Right. Now, I totally understand that. And then is it also possible for you to give us maybe some parameters on cost per kW for each of those categories?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Paul, we filed – and I can point you to the filing, or we could get it to you later, but we filed publicly the median prices for various categories. We filed the bids in our 30-day update in January and then reupdated it again in February. And those are public, and we can get that to you if that's helpful.

Paul Fremont - Mizuho Securities USA LLC

Analyst

Great. And then the other – last question for me is you talked about timing, I guess, for O&M and depreciation. Should we expect that for the remainder of the year? The makeup of sort of the lower spending in the first quarter will be sort of evenly spread or what's the pattern for the O&M to be made up and also the depreciation?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

I think for the O&M portion, probably even is probably the best way to think about it. On the depreciation, it's a little bit more backdated, largely impacted by the inservicing of our Rush Creek project in Colorado, which should happen in late October or early November. And that's sort of the big driver of the timing of the differential.

Paul Fremont - Mizuho Securities USA LLC

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Angie Storozynski with Macquarie.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Hey, Angie. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Thank you. I have one – how are you? I have one question, but numerous parts. So, given that you are developing numerous wind farms, I just wanted to get a sense, what has changed since the tax reform? Are you, for instance, seeing any changes with regard to the economics of the projects that you are developing, bidding behavior from developers? Do you feel the need, for instance, to tap the tax equity more often? Is there a sense, for instance, changes as a value of accelerated depreciation are making economics of these projects different to your customers? And also, the second part would be, given that you're adding so much renewables into your systems without necessarily retiring coal plants at the same time, how do you manage the O&M increase associated with the new renewables on your system? Thank you.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

All right. Let me – the first question, I believe, was how has tax reform generally impacted the economics of the renewable projects. Is that right, Angie? I'm going to assume that (00:32:24). Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: That's correct. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

...Yeah. And so, I would say that there has been some impact when you lower the effective tax rate to 21%. The value of the PTC and the ITC is not as valuable as it used to be. That said, these projects are deeply in the money, and we've also had the opportunity to go through and look at working the supply chain harder. And so, I'm really pleased with where we are. With all of our proposals and what we continue to see, by and large, at this point, developers have held their pricing pretty constant. I mean, I'm sure that supply and demand is changing a bit in the tax equity world. We continue to see the opportunities to own renewables as a rate base opportunity, and I think we're well-positioned for that. Now, ultimately, as you know, Angie, the PTCs and then ultimately the ITCs go away. And I think renewables will continue to come down in price, and while wind, I believe is on sale today, it ultimately will be competitive, I think, into the next decade. What was the second part of the question?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

So, Angie, on the second part of the question on O&M, you're right. Increased wind generation will add O&M pressure to the company. So, when I think about our goal to maintain flat O&M, it means that we're consciously and very aggressively working on the O&M on the rest of the business as we continue to lay new wind into our business. So, we have – as we've talked about in the past, we have natural O&M pressures from merit increases and bargaining unit wage increases. We're offsetting that as well as more to make room for the wind in our portfolio in advance of any retirements of any of our other generation fleet.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

And remember, we do take advantage – O&M does flow through the riders, and so we put it into base rate. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: But when you talk about the customer benefit, just excluding any emissions, the main driver of a customer benefit through additions of wind farms is the cost of fuel would be going down for conventional power plants, is that right?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

I look at it, Angie, as a deeply in the money hedge against fuel prices, exactly. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Okay. Okay.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

So, when we look at that, when we say – just to finish that thought. We look at – when we say that, it includes the O&M and includes ancillary costs. It's a full package, and it's still deeply in the money compared to where gas is, even with gas being at very low prices today. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: And it is over, basically, the useful life of the wind farm, right? So, it's not – so, some of it could be back-end loaded when the coal plants that currently support the wind farm are retired and hence that O&M benefit shows up?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Yeah. It's over the life of the project. There is some element of the benefits being more front-end loaded. But, as you know, most people still have natural gas being more expensive in the out periods, too. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: And for the project, and this is the last question, I promise. For the projects, for the wind projects that you will own, do you have any preference over self-development or build transfer type of option?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

That's a really good question, Angie. I think – all things equal, we think we have more flexibility and can do more things when we self-build. But we're open to build-own-transfer, and as you know, part of the near unanimous settlement that we obtained in Colorado was to for us not to offer self-build renewables, but to get our ownership through build-own-transfer. So, you always – there's different paths that take you to the same place and that's what you saw in Colorado. Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.: Great. Thank you.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Christopher Turnure with JPMorgan.

Christopher James Turnure - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Given the prominence of OpCo and for that matter HoldCo credit agency ratings with some other jurisdictions for other companies in the tax reform discussions, I'm wondering if you can give us any sense as to how that might play into your discussions at SPS in both Texas and Minnesota, knowing that it is, I think, relatively early stages in that process for you?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, it's a great question, and I know even before tax reform, you've heard me and other members of the management team talk about the fact that we'd like to have dry powder, right? We don't take things close to the edge. We have a more conservative dividend payout ratio than many other companies. We've got margin in our credit metrics. We have margin in our operating capacities. So, tax reform certainly had an impact on credit metrics. We are committed to our credit standings. That's why we're talking about $300 million worth of equity, and we also think it's important to have those dialogues with our regulators on what they need to do to help support the credit metrics that are so important for us to make the capital investments that bring economic development or economic benefits and sometimes development to the communities that we serve. We proposed in SPS, an equity ratio of 58%. We think a better equity ratio, particularly in SPS, is needed to support the credit metrics there. In Minnesota, specifically to your question, we think the accelerated depreciation associated with King has twofold benefits. It supports credit metrics through more cash flow, but it also gets a – it more quickly accelerates an asset that ultimately we are open to potentially retiring before it's the end of its service life currently scheduled. So, Bob?

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

No. I think Ben hit on all of high points, and we've had discussions in our other regulatory jurisdictions as well.

Christopher James Turnure - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Great. That's helpful. And then I guess bigger picture question on the trajectory in Minnesota from a regulatory and maybe a political perspective as well. We've seen some more extreme intervener positions of late on ROE and other factors, maybe a little bit of inconsistency in commission rulings for some of your peers, and you're coming up on the end of your multi-year plan at the end of 2019. So, how do we think about how things have changed, if at all, and how your strategy might flex accordingly?

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Well, I mean as part of what we could do with tax reform is stay out another year. We do think multi-year plans have been demonstrated to be a success. Our cases increasingly would be for capital recovery, done a really good job with O&M. And I do believe that the commission really supports what we're trying to do in our carbon reduction programs, our pilot programs, or things like support EV or electric vehicle implementation. So, I think, the strategic direction we're taking is supported by our commissions. You can always have some bumps in the road, but when you're aligned like that, I think long-term, you're in pretty good shape.

Christopher James Turnure - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. So it sounds like nothing to be overly concerned about at this point given the broader picture.

Benjamin G. S. Fowke - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

I would say that's correct.

Christopher James Turnure - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Ben.

Operator

Operator

And with no additional questions, I'd like to turn the call back to CFO, Bob Frenzel, for closing comments.

Robert C. Frenzel - Xcel Energy, Inc.

Management

Thank you, all, for participating in our earnings call this morning. Please contact our Investor Relations team with any follow-up questions.