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Watts Water Technologies, Inc. (WTS)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 17, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Watts Water Technologies Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. To ask a question, please press star then one on your touchtone telephone. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star then zero. As a reminder, this conference may be recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Timothy MacPhee, Treasurer and Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Timothy MacPhee

Management

Thank you, Stephanie. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year 2015 earnings call. Joining me today are Bob Pagano, President and CEO, and Todd Trapp, our CFO. Bob will provide his overview for the year and address certain items related to EMEA. He will then discuss current market conditions. Todd will present the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year and offer our initial outlook for 2016. Finally, Bob will update you on our key organizational initiatives and then we will open the call up to your questions. The earnings press release and earnings call presentation we issued last evening includes some non-GAAP financial measures, and we have included in those documents the necessary reconciliations to GAAP measures. You can find a direct link to the webcast of today’s conference call on our website at www.wattswater.com. We will archive the webcast on the site for replay. I’d like to remind everyone that in the course of this call to give you a better understanding of our operations, we will be making certain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For information concerning these risks and uncertainties, see Watts Water’s publicly available filings with the SEC. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Now let me turn the call over to Bob Pagano.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thanks Tim, and good morning everyone. Please turn to Slide 3 in the earnings call presentation and I’ll provide an overview of this past year and my initial thoughts on 2016. As we have said before, 2015 was a transition year for Watts and I’m really proud of the progress we made on several initiatives that we identified as crucial to our future success. I’ll touch upon these initiatives in just a moment, but first let me briefly comment on the fourth quarter results. I was very pleased with our efforts and the adjusted results we delivered as we ended 2015. In the fourth quarter, we saw solid organic growth in the Americas driven by accelerated growth in our base business and continued strong performance out of AERCO. We saw some signs of stabilization in EMEA and continued softness in Asia Pacific business, given the uncertain macro backdrop in that region. Margins expanded nicely in the quarter driven by our focus on profitable growth and continued cost savings initiatives. Cash flow continues to be a very good story for Watts, and Todd will provide more color on the financial results in just a few moments. One of our key initiatives is to reshape our portfolio, and we made significant strides in 2015. During the year, we divested almost $165 million in non-core lower margin products and effectively used our strong free cash flow to add higher growth, higher margin businesses like AERCO and Apex, our recent acquisition in New Zealand. We were able to monetize a portion of divested products through a sale that netted us $33 million, and last fall we entered into an agreement in principal to sell our manufacturing location in China dedicated to non-core products. We expect this sale to be finalized in the first half…

Todd Trapp

CFO

Thank you, Bob, and good morning everyone. I am on Slide 6, which shows the fourth quarter results. Overall, I would say that we were pleased with the top line performance in the quarter as we delivered sales of $358 million, which was up 4% organically, our strongest growth quarter this quarter. On a reported basis, our top line declined by about 5%, which was really driven by two factors. First was foreign exchange, mainly related to the weaker euro which negatively impacted sales quarter-over-quarter by roughly $18 million or 5%. The second factor was the negative impact from the exit of undifferentiated products, a result of our focus on reshaping our portfolio, which reduced sales by roughly $30 million or 8%. These two headwinds were offset to some degree by the addition of AERCO as well as organic growth in Americas. Regionally, organic sales increased 7% in Americas, 1% in EMEA, and were down about 6% in Asia Pacific, and I’ll provide more color on the regional performance in a few minutes. Adjusted operating profit of $35 million increased a little over 1%, which translated into an adjusted operating margin of 9.9%, up 16 basis points versus Q4 of last year. Favorable sales mix and continued benefits from productivity and restructuring actions more than offset incremental SG&A investments. As we’ve communicated, our SG&A costs are high due to the addition of AERCO and increases in stock compensation, pension, compliance and other costs. Overall, I would say we were pleased with the margin performance in the quarter. Adjusted EPS of $0.59 was about 2% better than prior year. Adjusted EPS included a negative impact of $0.05 in the quarter for foreign exchange and a $0.06 headwind associated with the exit of undifferentiated products, which more than offset the $0.03 positive…

Robert Pagano

Management

Thanks Todd. Please turn to Slide 13 and let me update you on our scorecard of top priorities for the organization. First, we have addressed key positions around the globe. Certainly, the skill set of the management team has been broadened over the last year and a half. We have added experienced people from ITT, Danaher, Honeywell, and Johnson Controls. We have realigned responsibilities when we believed it was best for the organization. Talent evaluation is an ongoing process, so we are always looking to improve our overall skill sets. We are expanding our review to the next levels in the company to ensure we have the needed bench strength to support and carry out our strategic goals. The EMEA transformation and restructuring initiatives are on track. The team has made steady progress in driving savings throughout Europe, realizing $8 million of savings in 2015. Unfortunately, their effects have more than offset by the overall market downturn. We continue to assess our infrastructure, as evidenced by our announcement of the additional restructuring actions we will undertake this year. Phase 1 of the Americas-Asia Pacific transformation effort has gone very well. We finalized the sale of the U.S. assets, identified and executed on sourcing initiatives, and we expect to complete the sale of our China manufacturing plant in the first half of 2016. Completing Phase 1 will allow our key commercial resources to focus on a more profitable customer and product portfolio that will drive innovation and is more solutions oriented. Phase 2 is focusing on consolidating and optimizing our Americas operational footprint to better support the needs of our customers and improve our cost structure. We have announced the closure of three facilities already, and we expect other site closures will be announced as the year progresses. We are opening…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Ryan Connors with Boenning & Scattergood. Your line is open.

Ryan Connors

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Your line is open

Great, thank you for taking my question. I’ve got a couple. First off, just wanted to clarify, kind of housekeeping, Todd, on the revenue outlook for 2016. You’ve got the low single digit organic growth assumption in there, but you’ve got the $100 million in portfolio realignment, so just to clarify, that does mean we’re kind of expecting on absolute terms another down year on the top line for ’16. Am I reading that appropriately?

Todd Trapp

CFO

Yes, you are.

Ryan Connors

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Your line is open

Okay. Then the other thing, Bob, you mentioned some adjustments to the innovation program, and that caught my ear. Can you talk a little about the state of the R&D program right now at Watts and what changes are going to be made there, and what they’re intended to accomplish in terms of the innovation and whether or not you intend to issue any metrics, like a vitality index or something like that, to help us measure that progress?

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, let me update you on that. First of all, we surveyed and looked, and we had multiple, many new product development processes. In the fourth quarter, we rolled out a consistent one process throughout Watts, so it’s a one-Watts process, and I would say our product pipeline is mixed. I think there’s certain areas where it’s very rich and robust, and AERCO I would say is the prime example of that, but there’s other areas, honestly, where we’ve been milking some of the businesses and we really need to focus on that. So internally, we have put in product vitality indexes, we re-vamped everything, and a key focus including a once-a-month [indiscernible] day that we have, that we are talking to each of the businesses and looking at their metrics, et cetera. So we’ll begin looking at providing additional information on that, but it was an area that I felt we needed to reinvigorate. I think most of our processes were acquiring new product development versus internally developing it ourselves. Also, a lot of our new product development focus was on converting--when we went to the unleaded products, so now we’re freeing up our resources to really focus on what I call voice of the customer R&D, versus engineering developed R&D, so it’s a shift in mindset there. So we’re very excited about the opportunities, and our team is really excited about it.

Ryan Connors

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Your line is open

Great, that’s helpful. Thanks for your time this morning.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Rose with Wedbush Securities. Your line is open.

David Rose

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is open

Good morning. Thank you for taking my call as well. Just a couple quick ones. The product rationalization in Q4, the guidance was $40 million to $45 million in Q3 versus the $29 million number. Can you just go over briefly what changed? Were there fewer products or was it a function of timing?

Todd Trapp

CFO

David, this is Todd. I’ll say sales in the undifferentiated products in Q4 were down $30 million versus prior year, which was a little bit better than what we had previously guided. I think there was two main reasons for the difference. First is Sioux Chief requested that we continue to support the customer transition through the quarter, and I think the second thing is that the burn-down of certain DIY products just has taken a little bit longer than we anticipated. So both these transitions we expect to be completed in Q1 of 2016, so we expect to have approximately, I’d say roughly $3 million to $5 million more of undifferentiated sales in Q1 that were not planned.

David Rose

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is open

So the 30 per quarter, that will probably be weighted a little bit more in the first quarter by that $3 million, is that fair?

Todd Trapp

CFO

That’s fair.

David Rose

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is open

Okay. Then as we start to rationalize footprint a little bit more and you also talk about an additional distribution center, does that imply that you’re going to need a little bit more inventory as a buffer, and what does that imply in terms of progress on the free cash flow conversion next year?

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, so David, as we indicated, we were going to build inventory, so we’re building right now. Our focus is on customer service and not losing any market share during the training, so we believe we will be adding about $20 million over the year, but then bringing that down in the second half of the year. So the inventory build is focused, let’s call it in the first half of the year, and we bleed it down as we start implementing this. So really, the focus is on keeping our customers and optimizing our performance there.

Todd Trapp

CFO

And David, we still believe that we can get to 100% conversion.

David Rose

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is open

Okay, that’s helpful. Lastly, and I’ll go back in the queue, given the free cash flow is still very healthy, you talked about M&A, certainly adding higher margin products, is there an interest in--you highlighted the stronger performers in the group, instrumentation and food and beverage. Is there an interest moving in that direction versus tradition plumbing?

Robert Pagano

Management

We look at all opportunities, so we don’t specify because as we know, we never know when acquisitions are going to happen and what’s available. So we continue to look in a disciplined way, looking at opportunities and understanding how strategically overall they fit. We also look at where their strength is, where they’re located, what areas are the countries. There are certain areas that we don’t want to participate, so again, I think we take all of that into consideration, and we’re not afraid of looking at small adjacency moves. So everything is open game.

David Rose

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is open

Okay, that’s fair. Thank you both.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Maczka with BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Thanks, good morning.

Robert Pagano

Management

Hey Kevin.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

So strong organic in the Americas in Q4. I have a question about the guidance here and what the scenario is whereby we get to the high end of that mid-single digit outlook, because if commercial is moderating, I think you characterized that as improving last quarter. To get up to that high end, do we have to see that re-accelerate again; or Bob, do some of these new product and commercial excellence initiatives get us there?

Robert Pagano

Management

I think the commercial excellence helps us get there. I think we’ve done a nice job of understanding where our strength is, where our opportunities are - you know, our account management, our understanding of customer share of wallet and what our fair share is, I think we’ve done a nice job of really understanding the market and where we’re at. So we’re cautiously optimistic and our teams are driving for it.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Got it. Shifting over to price, it looks like you called that out as helping a bit in the Americas, hurting a bit in EMEA. This elasticity testing that you did, Bob, can you just talk a little bit more about what that means and what have you modeled in that organic growth outlook for price?

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, so each region is different, but certainly we continued to rationalize our product portfolio. We had over 50,000 products in North America, we got rid of about 12,000 of them, and we still have opportunity to, let’s call it, reduce our broad portfolio and make sure we test price elasticity. So we believe that was about a 0.5% negative tailwind for us in the first quarter. We’ll continue to do that. That effort was really--we saw a lot of it in Q3 and some of it in Q4, so we’ll see some of that in Q1 and Q2 of next year, probably in the half a point range. When I look at price, price inside of North America was probably about 1%, but when you look in Europe, pricing is not good. It’s a lot of pressure on pricing. Same in China right now - a lot of pressure on pricing right now, so we’re assuming basically flat pricing in that, and we’ll see some moderate pricing in North America but not significant pricing as we saw this year as we aggressively tested price elasticity.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Got it. Just finally, to be clear on the restructuring, the $10 million incremental savings in ’16 is a gross number, not a net number. Is the net number closer to 6?

Todd Trapp

CFO

Actually no, the $10 million is gross.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Right, but there’s some offsetting spend that you net against that, correct?

Robert Pagano

Management

Other than the investments, but we’re taking some of those savings and investing, as Todd talked about when we gave guidance in his last slide. So that’s a--you know, we’re taking all the savings that we’ve been generating, about $10 million of savings incremental this year in ’15 to ’16 and investing a portion of that for the long term in our business.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Got it. Just finally on the restructuring in general, I think this is maybe the sixth phase of restructuring we’ve talked about. There’s been two others in EMEA in ’13 and in ’15. I know the plans sort of evolve as you continue and make progress, but should we be expecting further iterations of this, or have we kind of done the big structural things now with this new phase that you intend to do?

Robert Pagano

Management

So Kevin, let’s go back, and in particular I think you’re talking about the EMEA restructuring. But really when you look at it, the major restructuring we had done prior to this was really before what I call the geopolitical things happened, in particular Russia, Ukraine, Greece - all of that. There was always an assumption that the business would grow, and now we don’t believe that’s the case. We’ve been flat--I think the last eight quarters, only two of those quarters had organic growth, and the last one here was minimal. So we’re going to continue to look at our cost structure. When you look at that overall, I believe--I think there is opportunities, but remember it’s difficult and very costly to restructure facilities in Europe, so it always has to make sense from an overall return on invested capital point of view, so we’ll be monitoring that. I never say never, but we’ll continue to monitor and do the best thing we can for our business.

Kevin Maczka

Analyst · BB&T Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay, thank you.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Giannakouros with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Good morning everyone.

Robert Pagano

Management

Good morning, Jim.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

On North America, that operating margin of 14.3, very impressive. You guys cited strong base business and obviously AERCO growth, despite the seasonally softer period. Can you just get into a more granular conversation to say exactly what drove that? Was it the unwinding of non-core costing less, given the pace of wind-down or just getting better price than expected, or was it that large stocking order that Todd mentioned earlier?

Todd Trapp

CFO

So Jim, as you can imagine, there’s a lot of puts and takes. I would say the exit of the undifferentiated products probably drove a little over 100 basis points of margin expansion in Q4 in the Americas year-over-year, but as Bob mentioned, they’re seeing some nice pricing that’s helping drive some of that margin, as well as just continued nice performance on productivity, so sourcing and plant and VAV savings - they're just seeing some of that. So I would say it’s a combination of the exit of the undifferentiated product, unfavorable pricing, obviously good stuff on productivity, as well as volume. We are seeing the volume - as I mentioned, 4% organic volume growth, if you back out that one order, 3%, so it’s a combination, I would say, of those four factors.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay, thanks. Does that elevated margin, does that hold into 1Q and then improve from there during 2016? I’m sorry if I missed the impacts from the wind-down to be factored in ’16 that you mentioned [indiscernible].

Todd Trapp

CFO

I believe that the margin rates that we had in ’15 will continue to hold at these levels.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay. Then as far as your growth expectations - I’m sorry if Kevin covered this in his question right before me, I may have missed it. Can you differentiate between what you’re seeing in residential versus non-residential as far as just trying to think about how your growth expectations all-in for this year are maybe lower than what you saw in ’15?

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, when you look at it, I think you have to take all of the different things. We’re still doing the product portfolio rationalization in the products that we’re still staying in. I also look at--when I look at residential and commercial, as I said earlier, I think they’re going to be positive for us. We gained some momentum in the second half of this year. We hope to keep it. Our overall focus on gaining market share and driving increased share of wallet is real important on this, so I think there is opportunities. I like the markets of both residential and commercial in North America. I think the softness in residential is really in EMEA. That is a headwind.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Got it. One last one, if I may, just on below the line items, probably for Todd or Tim. Can you give us some guidance or quarterly or annual interest expense that we should be modeling for ’16 in that other income line? That seems to bounce around a bit.

Todd Trapp

CFO

Yes, I would say in terms of--on the interest line, I’d say we’ll probably see a little bit of a slight benefit, maybe a couple hundred thousand on a year-over-year basis on the interest line, and then I believe the other line, we did see some favorable foreign exchange gains in 2015 of approximately $2 million related to affiliated loans and U.S.-denominated accounts. So I think we’ll potentially see a little benefit in ’16 but just not to that level, so I think that’s a little bit of a headwind as we head into ’16.

Jim Giannakouros

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Thank you.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Hammond with Keybanc. Your line is open.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Hey guys, good morning.

Robert Pagano

Management

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Just wanted to come back to Europe. It just seems like given the sales decline yet the $8 million of savings, that the decrementals are still pretty ugly. I’m just trying to understand a little bit better how FX transaction plays in and how bad pricing really is, and do we see any stabilization of some of those headwinds into ’16?

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, so let me try to take that. When we look at that, I think pricing is difficult, especially in the OEM channel. I think with some of the commodity price decreases, they’re all looking for those savings and the volume is short. I mean, we did a large business in Russia that was a very profitable part of our business, and as Todd said, that was down 50% in the quarter. So we’re starting to get into what I’d call easier comps, because overall Russia was down significantly. We believe it will probably continue to go down into ’16, but certainly not at the magnitude that we saw from ’14 to ’15, so I think we have a mix there. The other thing is our drains business in Europe is very profitable, and in the first half we had a nice backlog of projects that shift in the first and second quarter of ’15, and that backlog started to drop and we didn’t have that in Q3 and Q4. As we enter ’16, we don’t have that strong backlog because offshore oil platforms and construction related to the countries where oil is predominantly causing spending has slowed down. So we’ve seen in our drain business that project business has come down quite a bit, so that mix of business really impacted our overall profitability in those regions. So that’s really what was driving it. We believe we will see some stabilization in some of these areas. Out of the gate, if I look at what we’re seeing in January, it’s right in line with our expectations here, so no surprises there. But I think it’s an opportunity for us to also begin refocusing on growth in that region, and I think that some of the initiatives, we’re going to share some of our best practices that we’ve been doing inside of North America and leverage that inside of EMEA. I think we are more internally focused in EMEA, executing all these restructuring and principal company initiatives, and I really want us to look at how do we drive growth, in particular in the drains and our electronics businesses, which are stronger businesses. So that’s kind of how I look at EMEA.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Okay, so it sounds like the drains headwinds continue, Russia continues. Do you see kind of an end to the pricing pressure? Is some of the lower commodity input kind of now built in?

Robert Pagano

Management

I think we’re going to see some pricing issues in the first. We’re assuming flat, so we’re going to try to get price where we can, but net-net our assumptions are flat pricing.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Okay. Then I just want to go back to--so transformation spending, I think you said 10, five in Europe, five in North America; and then Todd, did you say 5 to 7 of investments as an offset?

Todd Trapp

CFO

Correct, yes - 5 to 7.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Okay, so you’re reinvesting roughly half of that?

Todd Trapp

CFO

Correct.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

And then how should we think about pension savings and the corporate expense line, given some of the investments?

Todd Trapp

CFO

So I would say the overall corporate expense line, I would say is relatively flat on a year-over-year basis, so we are seeing some benefit from the pension in there. But we’re also seeing some higher stock comp hitting that corporate line, as well as some of our investments, something like Hyperion would be hitting that line as well. So I think corporate costs from a year-over-year perspective are relatively flat.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Okay. Just to sneak one more in here, Asia margins, they were running in the teens, and this quarter was 6%. You did mention the drop-down. Given the new structure of that business, what’s the right run rate into ’16 on margins, and what’s maybe the longer term margin run rate for that business? Thanks.

Todd Trapp

CFO

I would say from Asia Pacific, I would say the way I look at it is high single digits margins to maybe low double digit margins would be the way I’d look at it and model it going forward. But I think in ’16, it would be more that high single digit margins.

Robert Pagano

Management

Yeah. Remember, Jeff, that they had all the benefit of the intercompany mark-up, and we really didn’t start exiting on differentiated products until the third and fourth quarter, so that’s where you started seeing the heavy hit on margins. When you look at Q1 and Q2 compared to last year, it’s going to be a big shift downward, more on the Q4 type range.

Todd Trapp

CFO

And we’re maintaining our management infrastructure.

Robert Pagano

Management

Exactly, exactly.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · Keybanc. Your line is open

Thanks guys.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Bennett with Sterne Agee. Your line is open.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst · Sterne Agee. Your line is open

Hey there, good morning gentlemen.

Robert Pagano

Management

Good morning.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst · Sterne Agee. Your line is open

Bob, first question - you mentioned in the slides that you saw some softness in industrial in the Americas, and I was wondering if you could elaborate on that a little bit.

Robert Pagano

Management

I don’t remember saying softness in the industrial. What we did see is in EMEA, we saw some timing of projects related to the oil and gas sector, related to our drains business, so that project was lumpy. We also saw some softness in projects in EMEA related to, let’s call it our normal Russian business, where some projects are slowing down, and in the Middle East. So those were the, let’s call it most industrial-ish type markets that we play in. It’s not a significant amount, but it’s concerning because the orders that we were getting in the Middle East were big and they were driven by, let’s call it oil and gas funding. Now that that’s slowed down a little bit, we’re seeing that project activity just get pushed out, so delays in the projects, they’re pushing them out. They’re not cancelled, but they’re just moving them out.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst · Sterne Agee. Your line is open

Got you, okay. Then in the Americas, I know a couple of people asked about this with regards to your outlook for ’16. I’m wondering - you’ve talked about growth, I guess, in both resi and non-res moderating - I’m speaking to the Americas here, moderating in 2016. I’m wondering if that’s just based on kind of overall market forecasts, or are you guys seeing that in your order patterns? I guess, what kind of makes you think we’re going to see that in ’16?

Robert Pagano

Management

It’s more the market. I mean, it’s the discussion in the market that it’s slowing down. I think we’ll gain more than our fair share of growth in those markets.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst · Sterne Agee. Your line is open

Got it, okay. Last question from me, just wondering what was the rationale behind the management changes in EMEA? Is this a permanent change for these two guys, or are you looking for a new head of EMEA? What are you thinking about there?

Robert Pagano

Management

No, it’s a permanent change. Really as we continue to look at driving a one-Watts culture, we make similar products around the world. When we had our growth innovation meeting earlier this year, it really opened my eyes to we’re just not sharing knowledge and technology. I think we’ve done a nice job of breaking down the silos inside of Europe, but we’ve just really got to break down the silos around the world. So it’s really focused on how do we get the teams to work together, how do we have more global platforms, and how do we drive synergies and share best practices? The best way to do that is to have overall similar leadership, get everybody working on the same plans together, and just working together more. That’s really the focus, and given the low growth environment in Europe, we just couldn’t support the infrastructure costs. We needed to do something different.

Kevin Bennett

Analyst · Sterne Agee. Your line is open

Got you, that makes sense. All right, thank you.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Foung with Gabelli & Company. Your line is open.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

Hi, good morning guys. Good quarter.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thanks Jim.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

I just wonder if I could just pick up on that last question on EMEA. As you dismantled the infrastructure there, will we see cost savings as you eliminate the back office and supporting staff?

Robert Pagano

Management

Jim, it’s too early - we just made that decision. A lot of the infrastructure we’ve put in the principal company is for shared services functions, so we’ve already had that in our overall European transformation. So really, there’s just one individual here, and that’s been baked into our overall outlook that we talked about earlier.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

Okay. You guys now have a good portfolio of lead-free products. I’m curious with the situation in Flint, Michigan, are you seeing any demand pick-up from municipalities regarding lead-free products over this concern?

Robert Pagano

Management

We’re quoting a lot of products, in particular our water quality. The lead-free discussion, we continue to promote our products and availability there, but I wouldn’t see a massive increase in business as a result of this. It allows us to continue to promote our safe products, so I think it’s a nice opportunity for everybody to understand the importance of clean water. I think it’s waking everyone up in this issue, and we’re glad this issue is coming up. We’re not happy about what happened to the people, but really the concern over safe drinking water is really important.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

Okay. When you began the transformation in North America, you talked about getting 125 basis point improvement in your margin this year. Now that you’ve completed Phase 1, could you just kind of update us? Should we see any adjustment in the margin up or downward for this year and next year?

Todd Trapp

CFO

I think, Jim, what we committed to is that it was going to be about 100 basis point-plus margin improvement, and I think that’s what we’re seeing right now and what we’re forecasting for 2016.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

Okay, so there’s no change to that target?

Todd Trapp

CFO

No.

Robert Pagano

Management

No, no change in that.

Jim Foung

Analyst · Gabelli & Company. Your line is open

Okay, very good. I look forward to seeing you guys next weekend.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Cassil with Seaport Global Securities. Your line is open.

Ryan Cassil

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Your line is open

Hi guys, thanks for taking my questions. If I could just go back to EMEA, I think you’ve talked about the incremental investments and then the transformation savings there. Will you be timing the investments with the savings, or could you just give a little color on the cadence of those investments?

Todd Trapp

CFO

Yes, so if you think about the $5 million to $7 million that we referenced, Ryan, I would say probably half of that is committed right now, and the other half if something that we’ll be being very prudent, we’ll be watching it very closely to make sure that we see the top line growth before we actually make that incremental investment. So it’s something that we’re going to be very smart about as we head into 2016.

Ryan Cassil

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Your line is open

Okay, great. The last one from me, you guys have talked about 30% net footprint reduction across the business. I think there have been some investments that have maybe offset that. Could you perhaps talk about what the gross footprint reduction will look like, and then maybe take a swing at what the net footprint reduction will be once you take some of these actions in the EMEA region that you’ve got planned so far?

Robert Pagano

Management

No, the 30% in the Americas is the net. That is the net reduction we plan, based on the results of all our transformation efforts. So yes, we’ll be having an incremental distribution center, but that was factored in our overall 30% square footage. As we look in EMEA, really the latest restructuring is not the closure of a plant, it’s just a reduction of some workforce inside the business, so it’s not adjusting any square footage. That was done in the prior EMEA restructuring plan, so really the 30% is the net footprint reduction in North America when we’re all said and done with Phase 2 coming up here.

Ryan Cassil

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Your line is open

Got it, thanks.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Joe Giordano with Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Joe Giordano

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Hey guys, how are you doing?

Robert Pagano

Management

Good, how are you doing, Joe?

Joe Giordano

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

I wanted to start just talking about management bandwidth. So you have some people taking on increasing responsibility in areas that are taking on incremental restructuring projects, things like that. So maybe you could talk about bandwidth there and if that has any implications on the ability to take on new M&A.

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, so no. Listen, I’m not concerned about the bandwidth. I think the heavy lifting on Phase 1 and Phase 2 took a lot of our management time and effort earlier in the year. We’re well along Phase 1, we’re pretty much done Phase 2. We’re well along with the heavy lifting and all the planning and all the things that are happening right now, so I wouldn’t have made the change if I was worried about bandwidth. Our team is ready for it, and we’re willing to take on that challenge. In addition, we’ve added a lot of strong people inside the organization from where we were even a year ago, so the bandwidth not only at the leadership level but at the next levels down in the organization has been substantially improved, and we’ll continue to improve that. So I feel good about that, and it should have no impact on any of the restructuring plans or any future M&A.

Joe Giordano

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Great, thanks for that. Then just last, I wanted to talk about visibility a little bit, and what you’re seeing into distributor inventory levels, what you think that implies for forward expectations. I know you talked about moderating commercial, and we’ve seen some other players in that space, we’ve seen that kind of change in expectations reflected in their shares. So just talk about inventory levels and kind of visibility and what you’re seeing there, outside of that restocking order that you just got.

Robert Pagano

Management

Yes, so I feel pretty good about North America levels. I’m not seeing any major shifts from that point of view. Where I did see--we saw various destocking in EMEA in maybe some stocking orders we saw in the fourth quarter a little bit there. Really, the big shift in inventory that we’re seeing is probably in China. That’s where we were getting a lot of big stocking orders, and those stocking orders have been cut in half now. It’s more hand to mouth - I think they’re just keeping their inventories low and that’s what we saw in Q3 and in Q4, that they’re not just placing the big inventories. It’s more about what they’re seeing. They want to be just-in-time and pressuring our lead times, which is fine. So I don’t see a big shift in our larger markets, in particular in North America. I think it’s fairly steady at this point in time.

Joe Giordano

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Great, thank you.

Robert Pagano

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back over to Bob Pagano, President and CEO, for closing remarks.

Robert Pagano

Management

In closing, I’d like to thank you for taking the time to join us today for our Q4 earnings call. We appreciate your continued interest in Watts Water Technologies. We look forward to speaking with you again during our Q1 earnings call in May. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today’s conference. You may all disconnect, and everyone have a great day.