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Watts Water Technologies, Inc. (WTS)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 20, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q4 2012 Watts Water Technologies Conference Call. My name is Frida, and I'll be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] And now I'll read the Safe Harbor. Please be aware that remarks made during today's call about the company's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various factors, including those discussed under the heading Risk Factors in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011, and other reports the company files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, forward-looking statements represent the company's views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing its views as of any future date. While the company may elect to update these forward-looking statements, it disclaims any obligation to do so. During this call, the speakers may refer to non-GAAP financial measures. These measures are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in the press release dated Tuesday, February 19, 2013, related to the company's fourth quarter 2012 financial results, a copy of which may be found in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.wattswater.com, under the heading Press Releases. For the first time, we are providing a PowerPoint presentation of today's conference call. It is available on our website under Investor Relations at www.wattswater.com. I would like to turn the call over to Mr. David Coghlan, the Chief Executive Officer. Please proceed, sir.

David J. Coghlan

Management

Frida, thank you very much. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our Q4 earnings call. First, just to reiterate what Frida said, we've posted for the first time a presentation to support this call on our Investor Relations page in the webcast link. So if you don't already have that presentation, we'd urge you to go get it and it will make the call a lot easier. So we appreciate your interest in Watts Water and thanks for joining us. I'm going to begin by providing you a brief overview of our financials and the business highlights for the full year. Then I'll talk about market conditions in our key regions, give you a sense at a very high level at how we're looking at 2013 and update you on our Lead Free initiative, which, as you know, is a key initiative for us in 2013. Dean Freeman will then take you through our fourth quarter performance in more detail and after Dean's discussion, I'll summarize and open the call to your questions. So let me start with an overview of 2012, which you'll see highlighted on Page 2 of the presentation. We think 2012 was solid but mixed, given the different economic and business dynamics in each of our 3 key segments, provided unique challenges and opportunities. In North America, after a disappointing first quarter, we were able to improve our operating results sequentially during the year as Lead Free transitions cost abated and as we mitigated the impact of non-commodity cost increases. Our retail end markets showed steady growth throughout the year, likely driven by the repair and replaced end market. And we saw the early signs of a pickup in our residential new construction business late in the year. But we have not yet seen a…

Dean P. Freeman

Management

Thanks, David, and good morning, everybody. I'll keep my comments brief and if you're following along in the slide presentation, I'll start on Slide 7 with the 2012 financial highlights. I'll also offer some comments with regard to the quarter and some of the regional performance as well. So looking at the year on a consolidated basis, we saw about 1% of organic growth, largely driven by North America of about 2%, offset by EMEA decline at 1.5%, with Asia contributing the balance. North America did see an increase of about 7% organically in its retail channel with about 0.5% growth in the wholesale channel. Europe's decline was largely driven by continued economic malaise in France and Italy and somewhat offset by stronger sales in our European Drains business, which came out of Northern Europe, Germany, Scandinavia, as well as Eastern Europe, and growth in the Middle East. I should also point out that while of a much smaller base, Asia saw 18% organic growth in the year and 30% in the fourth quarter alone. Adjusted operating margin was down for 80 basis -- was down by 80 basis points in the year, with the bulk of that coming from North America, driven by the impact of the Lead Free conversion preproduction productivity declines and as I mentioned earlier, a heavier shipment mix to the lower margin retail channel in the year. Looking at adjusted EPS from a continued operations, as David pointed out, of $2.18, again flat year-over-year with a net $0.08 benefit coming from share dilution, with earnings from acquisitions and foreign exchange offsetting each other in the year. For the fourth quarter, we saw organic growth of about 1%, again driven by an increase in North America of 2.4%. North America saw a retail growth of approximately…

David J. Coghlan

Management

Thanks, Dean. In closing, as Dean mentioned, we believe we've delivered a solid fourth quarter in a year where we've continued to build momentum after a disappointing start. For the year, our Asia team delivered very solid results. Our North America team improved its performance sequentially from Q1 while executing on a challenging Lead Free conversion process and our EMEA team worked diligently to negate some very strong macro headwinds and deliver a very respectable performance in 2012. Looking ahead to 2013, the market dynamics are mixed, depending on the region and the end market. But we expect to deliver operating profit growth through continuing emerging market expansion, productivity and cost containment and execution of our Lead Free strategy. So with that, why don't we open up the line to your questions? Frida, can you open up the lines, please?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Kevin Maczka from BB&T Capital Markets. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: First of all, I guess, I appreciate the additional color in the slide and the top line guidance for '13. My first question is on your North America guidance for '13. We were up organically about 2 points in '12. I'm just trying to gauge the level of conservatism here, if you will, on the low end of that low to mid-single digit range because the residential story, that data is well documented, getting much better, the LIRA data, which you mentioned on the call, is starting to look a lot better. Is it the commercial side that's really holding you back there from maybe having even more robust growth plans for '13?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Yes. And Ryan, what might help is to sort of put the numbers in context a little bit. So I'm just going to talk about round numbers, but it may just help you do some math and sort of see how we ended up with our growth numbers. So our North American business is about $700 million round numbers. So about 50% of that is commercial, and about 10% of it is Canada. And so that leaves you with the U.S. resi business of about $280 million. Now given this softness of resi new construction over the last several years, if we assume that 70% to 80% of our resi business is repair-replace upgrade and 20% to 30%, resi new construction, you can do some math around a 10%, 20%, 30% growth rate in resi new construction and you'll start to see where we ended up with. So for example, based on those numbers, a 20% growth rate in resi new construction revenues in 2013 will be somewhere around 1.5 to 2.5 points of growth in our overall North American business. And so that's sort of the way to think about it. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: Got it. Very helpful. In terms of margin on that, so if we do fall in this low to mid-single digit organic growth range, with what you've done in your cost structure and your facility rationalization and you have further SG&A plans for this year, are we still looking at incrementals on the order of 35% here based on what you've done on the cost side?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, what we've historically said is that when we get some volume, it should drop at about mid-30s. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: Okay. So no reason to think differently now? Okay.

David J. Coghlan

Management

No. Then obviously, we'll have separate issues like Lead Free conversion and the choppiness there, but on the fall through, no. Kevin R. Maczka - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: And then finally from me, segueing into the Lead Free, so you've got perhaps $2 million to $4 million of additional cost coming in Q2, with the foundry commissioning. Is it fair to think that margins -- I know you maybe don't want to get into quarterly progressions here, but we kind of moved sideways in Q4 and then we take the step back based on that $2 million to $4 million headwind in Q2, is that a fair way to think about the first half?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Yes, Kevin, it's Dean. So yes, I think it's fair. Obviously, as we size the impact in the second quarter, we'll see the degradation of margin there. But for the balance of the year, I think sort of a normalized run-rate basis that we've seen in the second half in 2012 is probably reasonable. If you saw in 2012, first half, we have about 8.5% margins on an adjusted basis and the second half was about 10.5% on average.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

So it sounds -- if I'm doing the math right, it looks you had an $8 million headwind all-in for Lead Free in '12, and that goes to $2 million to $4 million?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Of course, the headwinds are -- and the $2 million to $4 million, we're trying to zero in to the second quarter on, Jeff, yes. So obviously, the reasons -- the drivers are different. So last year, we were focused heavily on supplier audits to make sure they have the capabilities to meet our Lead Free requirements. That took a lot of our sourcing capability. Within our plants, we were running hundreds of PPAPs, which took away our manufacturing, engineering and lean capabilities. As we move into 2013, the drivers become different because we're bringing in inventory, which we're buying from third parties to create buffer for the transition. We'll be ramping down our plants in terms of production of leaded products and there'll be some absorption issues. And then as we transition, we'll be ramping back up where there'll be some absorption issues. So the driver -- while the numbers you have are right, the drivers are different.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

Okay. And then I know there was the issue of putting through a price increase and how much of that were you going to be able to translate. Do you have a better sense of how that plays out? Do you see kind of a net positive there, or is that a potential incremental headwind into '13?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Jeff, our objective is to maintain our gross margin percentages as we switch to Lead Free. Obviously, a key impactor of that is competitive behavior and the transition is most likely going to happen over the next several months. We don't have a feel for that yet. So we'll be working very hard to maintain our gross margins. And as you know, Lead Free products have a significant cost premium.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

Okay. So it sounds like this is a net tailwind in the '13 and then you apply the 35% incrementals?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, the 35% incrementals won't help us on any extra revenue associated with Lead Free because that extra revenue will be to cover cost.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · KeyBanc

Okay, okay, that's helpful. And then just real quick, can you give us what your -- I think you gave us a little bit of a range, but maybe at the midpoint, how you think -- what you're housing start assumption is in your numbers?

David J. Coghlan

Management

We're trying to be careful and we're looking at probably another 20% lift in resi new construction.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Halloran from Robert Baird. Michael Halloran - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: So just close -- I'm trying to close a loop on the Lead Free side. Any sense for how the competitor response has been? I know we've talked in the past about fragmented marketplace and the smaller competitors are likely going to have a more difficult time meeting these standards. Any sense there of how many competitors have been able to move this forward and what that landscape looks like?

David J. Coghlan

Management

At this stage, Mike, the problem is we're -- we would have to answer that question based on second-, third-, fourth-hand news about people's intentions. And so it's difficult to put any facts around it. And so we really need to wait and see. But we do know, because we've been working with various industry groupings, contractor groupings, wholesaler groupings, et cetera, with all the manufacturers to educate the industry, we do know that just about all of the significant important players in the industry are working hard on this issue. Now again, the other point I'd make is that this issue is a much bigger deal to us. We've got $300 million of revenue affected than it would be to perhaps some other peers that you look at in the industry. Michael Halloran - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: That makes sense. And then from a -- I know the foundry and the production comes on full bore starting about the third quarter this year. Do you think demand commensurately comes in at that time as well or do you expect it to be a little bit more gradual as you work towards the first part of next year?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, we'll be coming up to speed early in the second quarter with our foundry and our new production processes for Lead Free. And we've built an inventory buffer, which gives us some degrees of freedom in terms of when the actual transition happens. And so the way I describe it is, our retail customers are transitioning as we speak. Our C and B items, we've stopped production of leaded quantities and we'll be transitioning late in the first, early in the second, RAs. We -- our channel surveys tell us that our wholesale customers are looking at a transition in the second and third quarter. So many of them turned their inventory 10x to 12x, so they'll start with their C and B items in the second quarter and move to their As into the second, into the third. That's what we're hearing from our customers. We're spending a lot of time with them so that we understand what they'd like to do and can support them. Michael Halloran - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: And then 2 real quick housekeeping items. The interest expense, because you have $75 million rolling off -- of debt rolling off, what was that rate of that $75 million, and also how to think about the effective tax rate going forward from here?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

Sure. So let me just start with the effective tax rate. I think stocks really were still in the 33%, 34% range. I don't anticipate that structure will see a significant change in there. We're still trying to work through what the structural impact of the change in Italy is. But for modeling purposes, the 33% range is about right. And in terms of the roll off of the $75 million tranche, that's about a rate of about -- cost of debt of roughly 5%, 5.5%.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Rose of Wedbush Securities.

David L. Rose - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · David Rose of Wedbush Securities

A couple of follow-up questions on Lead Free. Well, first of all, I was trying to understand the math behind the guidance as well, because there's an implication that you do have some price increase going in and you've talked about -- roughly, it's a 15% headwind in cost. And if you look at the guidance of 1.5% to 2.5% organic growth in the resi market -- or North American market, you're not including the price increase in that. Is that clear?

David J. Coghlan

Management

In -- when we talk about resi, correct.

David L. Rose - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · David Rose of Wedbush Securities

Okay. So we would have to apply a price increase above that to get to sort of a nominal number?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Yes.

Dean P. Freeman

Management

That's right.

David L. Rose - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · David Rose of Wedbush Securities

Okay. And then, if we can go back to some of the work that's being done in Europe, one of the initiatives you have is the ERP and we've talked about this in terms of your plans, Dean, and in terms of systems upgrades. Can you provide us a little bit color on the headwind from the ERP in Europe and what more we should expect in terms of potential headwinds and benefits?

David J. Coghlan

Management

I don't think, David, that you should expect to see any significant increase in spending in Europe on ERP. I think we did Germany. We're now planning to do the U.K. But I don't think you'll see any uptick in cost spending.

David L. Rose - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · David Rose of Wedbush Securities

Okay. And in North America, are there any other structural actions that need to be taken -- that you need to do?

David J. Coghlan

Management

The -- most of our business in North America is already on a core ERP system and so any changes are going to be incremental.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital.

Sid Panda - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital

This is Sid Panda standing in for Jamie. The first question was regarding the trends in Europe. Do you see Europe bottoming out at some point of time during 2013 or how do you see that happening -- proceeding?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, I think you raised 2 separate issues there. The growth in our Drains business is really driven by new products, a really great, great improvement in our funnel management process and results in share gain. If we look at our European business in general, it's tough to call. In the fourth quarter, we saw a softening in France, which is an important market for us. We had been seeing some very strong business coming through from our German OEMs that also softened in the fourth quarter. And so, the way we're trying to look at it is, "Hey, let's expect some further softness as we go into 2013 and let's continue to work the strategy that helped us this year by trying to mitigate that, by going after share in our core area, by going after growth in emerging markets and by continuing to drive our Drains business." And so when we put all those pieces together, we're suggesting flat in 2013.

Sid Panda - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital

Okay. And with respect to trends in China, is the market improving there or like what type of projects are happening there which is sort of -- or is there a market share gain taking place being a new player there? How do you...

David J. Coghlan

Management

Our China business is really focused on plumbing and HVAC. We're in the very, very early stages of establishing, as you said, a Drains business in China. And so the impact of Drains in China on our business there would be immaterial. If we look at the Chinese market, we're seeing a little bit of firming over the last couple of months. We're continuing to see growth further from the East Coast in Tier 2, Tier 3 cities. And so when we put everything together, a growth rate in 2013 similar to what we saw in 2012 is our expectation.

Sid Panda - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital

Okay. And just a last question on the North American wholesale versus residential generally. Is there a disproportionate impact on the Lead Free transition on the wholesale channel sales as compared to the residential or any other reason for the discrepancy between the growth sales, between the 2?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Between -- I think you're referring to the discrepancy between retail and wholesale?

Sid Panda - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jamie Sullivan from RBC Capital

Yes, yes.

David J. Coghlan

Management

No, there's no disproportionate effect of Lead Free. But what we see happening is, slowly but surely, the impact of residential new construction is starting to feed through in our Wholesale business and we saw some progress as we came towards the end of the year and we're feeling good about the rate of bookings that we're seeing in the early parts of this year. However, on the retail side, we see that business is heavily driven by repair-replace-upgrade and so it's a different dynamic. Hopefully, that helps answer your question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of from Todd Vencil from Sterne Agee. L. Todd Vencil - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: Just a quick housekeeping question from me. Can you tell us the amount of revenue in North America, the split between retail and wholesale?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

So for the fourth quarter, if I -- if we just talk organically, retail is about $50 million and wholesale is about $155 million. L. Todd Vencil - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: All right. So then -- okay, so you guys had been...

Dean P. Freeman

Management

And that excludes foreign exchange and any of [indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc

Just a couple of quick follow-ups here. How should we think about the margin trajectory in Asia? You've been putting up pretty healthy returns. I know you kind of adjust for trends for pricing over time. But how should we think about the margins there?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, the biggest driver of the margins in Asia are obviously the fact that we've got a mix of trade business and then we've got a very significant intercompany business where the revenue nets out. And so I think you should look for consistency.

Dean P. Freeman

Management

We've seen some fairly strong sequential improvement in Asia, about 50 basis points sequentially and about 120 basis points on a year-over-year basis. I think that starts to level off as the growth levels off. But as David pointed out, there's a big intercompany part of that business and -- as well as a trade business that's...

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc

But you ran around 30% -- at 30% margins in that business that should hold?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

Yes, on a trade basis, yes.

David J. Coghlan

Management

And again, bear in mind that the intercompany elimination has a big impact on that.

Dean P. Freeman

Management

[indiscernible]

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc

No. And then how should we think of corporate expense on a full year basis in '13?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

I don't think there's any big change. It will be roughly 2% of revenue.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc

Okay. And I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks bolt-on acquisitions. Can you just talk about the pipeline and I mean, anything. There's been a couple of properties out there of size that have been mentioned that may be a fit, but maybe just talk about what you're seeing in the pipeline and what your appetite would be on a larger type deal?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, as you know to date, the 2 largest acquisitions that we've done were Socla and BLÜCHER. We do continue to keep our eyes open for strategically appropriate larger properties and if you look at our capital structure, cash on hand, et cetera, we've got a lot of degrees of freedom to go north of the size associated with BLÜCHER and Socla. In terms of the environment, there's a lot of interesting properties out there and our challenge is to really zero in on those that fit with our strategy and will help propel us forward. And we're also being very, very cautious in terms of what we pay for those deals so that we can ensure a solid return. Beyond that, there's not a lot more that I can say.

Jeffrey D. Hammond - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Jeff Hammond from KeyBanc

So if you take the properties that you think fit strategically or at least within a ballpark, I mean, is that -- is it still a healthy pipeline or has that narrowed down quite a bit?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

It does narrow it down quite a bit. Obviously, if we were interested in significantly expanding our portfolio into other areas of the building industry or of the water industry, there's quite a few properties out there. But we want to remain pretty close to our core. We're certainly open to step outs, but not leap outs, if I could use that phrase. And so as you think about it that way, that certainly helps you separate the wheat from the chaff and there's a smaller universe as a result.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Garik Shmois from Longbow Research.

Garik S. Shmois - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Garik Shmois from Longbow Research

I might have missed this, but I was wondering if you could provide how much of the retail growth in North America was driven by organic growth versus restocking in the channel?

David J. Coghlan

Management

I think it's going to be predominantly organic growth.

Garik S. Shmois - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Garik Shmois from Longbow Research

Okay. And you did mention that retail is a little bit ahead of wholesale with respect to taking on Lead Free products. Was there any pricing benefit in the fourth quarter as a result of the favorable mix there?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

The net retailer was no comparable pricing benefit.

David J. Coghlan

Management

No -- yes, and again, remember, Garik, the strategy is to maintain our margins.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Foung from Gabelli. James Foung - Gabelli & Company, Inc.: Dave, you mentioned about the ABI Index being positive for most of last year. And that typically is a leading indicator for your commercial construction. Could you talk more about how you see the dynamics unfolding and when would that kind of start improving your commercial construction business?

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, if we go back in history, Jim, typically, ABI is a 12-month leading indicator. And so from that perspective, we were looking carefully to see what that would mean. We've now had 8 months of pretty solid ABI numbers. And so as we look at our funnel management activities, one of the things we're hearing is that there's a lot of jobs coming off architects drawing desks, but there's still an awful lot of caution around financing those jobs. And so the sort of historical trends may not play out because of the constraints for financing of commercial buildings. James Foung - Gabelli & Company, Inc.: So it's really been a financing issue where -- is it because investors are still kind of cautious in terms of funding into the market or...

David J. Coghlan

Management

Well, my -- we're not experts in this area, so we'll just give you our view. But our view is that there's jobs on the drawing board, they're coming off the drawing board, the developers are looking for financial market support, loans, and that lending activity is still pretty rigorous, time consuming, and there's a distinct break between the jobs that come off the drawing board and come through the financing process. James Foung - Gabelli & Company, Inc.: If some of these projects do proceed, where would you see it first in your business? Would you see it in certain areas or in product lines or...

David J. Coghlan

Management

What we're attempting to do is to follow the commercial marketplace by key vertical and so some of the verticals that we're looking hardest at would be, for example, the hotel industry. As we dice and slice our vertical markets, we're seeing a lot of architectural work going on in the hotel industry. That is an opportunity -- rich opportunity for us. The way to think about it is if there's a lot of activity going on in distribution centers, for example, and a lot of activity going on in hotels, the more people-intensive the building is, the more opportunity there is for us.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Stewart Scharf from S&P Capital. Stewart Scharf - S&P Equity Research: Based on your geography and product line, where do you see shift over the next, say 3 to 5 years? Because there's a lot of opportunity, I think, in Drains and BUs and that's small part of your business, water quality, and of course, in Asia, it's only 2% now, and emerging markets. Do you see -- where do you see the largest change over the next few years?

David J. Coghlan

Management

If we try to break it into 2 areas, first of all, from a geographic perspective, we obviously are seeing the emerging markets that we're targeting growing faster than our core markets of Western Europe and North America. And so the 3 geographies that we're focused on would be Central and Eastern Europe, Middle East and China. And as we start to see significant progress there, then we'll turn our attention to the next tier of geographies where we're doing some seeding at the moment. So the first area would be, on the geography side, would be emerging markets. If we switch to products, the markets that our Drains business, which you referred to, are tied to is really commercial construction. And I think it's fair to say that as you look at North America and Europe, commercial construction hasn't come back yet. And so that business is going to be heavily tied to the rebound in commercial. So in the near term, the products where we see significant growth in would be those tied to residential new construction. And then beyond that, we've been driving our innovation machine to start to ramp up the introduction of new products and over the last couple of quarters, we've introduced some and we are hopeful that they'll have impact. So that's maybe the best way I could answer that question.

Dean P. Freeman

Management

And broadly, I'll just add to that. From a secular basis, energy products that support energy efficiency and water conservation, I think, as you talk about a longer-term trend, will continue to be preeminent and prominent in the growth rates amongst the regions that David talked about.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Sullivan from RBC.

Sid Panda - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Jamie Sullivan from RBC

This is Sid. Just a follow-up. In terms of like marketing trends for North America and Europe, could you provide some color on that for 2013 and in the quarter?

Dean P. Freeman

Management

Well, we're not going to guide forward. I think as we talked about earlier, Europe is going to be challenged. We anticipate that -- as you can see, we did see some price stickiness in Europe that offset some of the organic declines. We're focused on emerging markets and I think as you think about the continued expansion of the Drains business, that sort of a product mix profile that suggests that margins should be relatively stable to the extent that the volume holds. I'll just be careful with my comments in North America. I think you've seen that on a relative basis, when you look at sort of gross margins, notwithstanding the shift mix to retail, they held their margins -- they're only down on a sequential basis 20 basis points and year-over-year about 160 basis points despite the fact that retail was up 7% in the year. But as the bottom market expands and the higher margin, wholesale market starts to recover, I would expect those margins to be stable as well.

Operator

Operator

We have no questions now. So I would like to turn over -- turn the call over to David Coghlan for closing remarks. Please proceed.

David J. Coghlan

Management

Thanks, Frida. In closing, I'd just like to thank all of you for taking the time to join us today. We very much appreciate your continued interest in Watts Water. We thought there were some great questions today and we appreciate that interest. And we look forward to speaking to you again during our First Quarter Earnings Call, which we'd schedule for early May. So we look forward to chatting then. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference call. This concludes the presentation, you may now disconnect, and have a good day.