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World Acceptance Corporation (WRLD)

Q4 2009 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 29, 2009

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Analysts

Management

Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company James Hom - Miller Tabak Roberts David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated John Rowan, Sidoti & Company Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach

Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the World Acceptance Corporation's Sponsored Fourth Quarter Press Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the presentation by the corporation's CEO and its other officers. Before we begin, the corporation has requested that I make the following announcement. The comments made during this conference may contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27-A of the Securities and Exchange Act that represent the corporation's expectations and beliefs concerning future events. Such forward-looking statements are about matters that are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results or performance to differ from the expectations expressed or implied in such forward-looking statements include changes in the timing amount of revenues that may be recognized by the corporation, changes in current revenue and expense trends, changes in the corporation's markets, and changes in the economy. Such factors are discussed in greater detail in the corporation's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. Sandy McLean, Chairman and CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Think you, Kelly. Good morning and welcome to the World Acceptance Corporation fourth quarter conference call. As Kelly said, I am Sandy McLean, the Company's Chairman and CEO. With me are Mark Roland, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Kelly Molson, our Chief Financial Officer, along with other members of our management team. As we have done in the past, I will spend a few minutes reviewing the quarterly and annual results, after which we will be happy to answer any questions. Fiscal 2009 was certainly one of our more challenging years for World Acceptance Corporation, as was the case with most financial services companies. However, we are very pleased with our improved profitability on a year-over-year basis in a very difficult economic environment. We are glad to be able to report the continued expansion of our office network, the growth in our receivable portfolio, and the increase in our net earnings as well as other areas of improvement. Net income for the fourth fiscal quarter was $28 million or $1.72 per diluted share compared to $24.4 million or $1.44 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008. This represents a 14.7% increase in net income and a 19.4% increase in net income per diluted share when comparing the two quarterly periods. For the 12 months period ended March 31, 2009, net income was $60.7 million or $3.69 per share compared to $53 million or $3.05 per share for the prior fiscal year. This represented a 14.5% and a 21% increase in net income and diluted earnings per share respectively. The difference between the net income and the per share increases is due to the substantial number of shares that the Company repurchased during the current and prior fiscal years under its stock repurchase plan. During fiscal…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). We will go first to David Burtzlaff with Stephens Incorporated.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

Good morning, Sandy and guys great quarter here.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Thank you.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

I just have a few questions. First, Sandy, do you have the amount of principal repayments on loans in the quarter?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Principal repayments, I do not. I mean, the numbers are extremely large. We have access to that information, but what we report basically is the change in our net loans. We have a very fluid portfolio as you know with, we have a small loan that has a lot of refinancing and the track, we have actually reported true principal repayments.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

Okay.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

So I mean it's a number that, it is extremely large.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I mean that's an extremely tricky question from a, it's not tricky, but it's very difficult to answer. But all I can say is that we saw improvement at the end of March regarding some of our delinquencies and some of our expected charge-offs. But whether, I certainly believe you will see an improvement in our year-over-year increases and it's hopeful even that we can get back to close to the level of charge-offs that we saw last year. But it's certainly unlikely for us to get back to historical levels in the foreseeable future.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

Okay. Then finally, you talked about you think Mexico will be profitable this year. Do you kind of have a range of what that could be?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

No, it would be dangerous to predict that but I know with our aggressive growth over the last three years, its certainly had a pretty major impact on the ability to show positive earnings. But to quantify what we expect at this point would, I just would not feel comfortable doing.

David Burtzlaff - Stephens Incorporated

Management

Okay, all right, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to John Rowan, Sidoti & Company. John Rowan - Sidoti & Company: Good morning. Have you guys seen any decrease in foot traffic down in Mexico given some of the issues that are going on down there?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I don't believe that's the case. We are continuing to see growth, year-over-year growth in all of our, not all of our offices, certainly some of the more mature are not growing like other ones. But there is no indication that there has been a direct impact on our business at this point. Certainly its something we are concerned with. John Rowan - Sidoti & Company: Okay and just make sure, you said a few things earlier about one-time items in the fourth quarter. I just want to make sure. Those together all together what you named were $0.14 in the fourth fiscal quarter of this year, correct?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

And $0.24 for the year. John Rowan - Sidoti & Company: $0.24 for the year. Okay thank you.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Yes, correct.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Henry Coffey with Sterne, Agee. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Yeah good morning, everyone. Can you give us some details on the quarter in terms of a dollar value of net charge-offs? And what recoveries look like?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

If you bear with me for a second, during the quarter? Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Yeah.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Charge-offs were $21.9 million and recoveries were $2.5 million. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Okay and compared to what cash years that recovery level is about consistent or?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

It's $2.4 million for the same quarter of the last year versus $2.5 million this year, so basically it's the same. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: And in terms of our modeling, what sort of benchmarks should we use relative to expected net charge-offs to figure out what the reserves should be?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Henry you know that I cannot, I don't get into predicting what's going to happen. The best indicator I can give you is what we've done in the past with hopefully some improvement looking forward. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: And you expect, when you were talking about net charge-offs going lower, the expectation is that the rate of increase slows or you actually see a decline back to, say, fiscal 2008 levels?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Well, certainly we would like to see it get back to our fiscal, I mean stay at fiscal 2009 levels or improve, but, I certainly but anyway, it's hard to predict exactly what level it's going to be. It is still not a great economy. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: And in Illinois, the new bill coming up, is that a bill that has sponsorship of the industry or is it just another version of what's been going on there for the last couple of years?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I think it's still in the process of being worked on. And really at this point, I believe from what I've heard what is currently being suggested would certainly not get any sponsorship of the industry at this point. I know that we have been with the two associations in Illinois that are working with various people on this bill. I mean it certainly would be our hope that a compromise bill could be introduced that would allow the consumers to have access to credit, but it is difficult to say. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Are they trying to shut you all down or are they just trying to shut down the payday loan product?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I think the current product is addressing the installment loan industry because there is already some type of payday lending bill that was passed last year. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Then getting back to the sort of charge-off issue, if charge-offs start to come down, should reserve levels fall as well?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Not unless we have a dramatic increase, as I have told you, we believe that our allowance model is appropriate given a range of charge-offs. We have not changed the model this year as we've seen the charge-off ratios increase. As we mentioned last quarter, we believe that if the charge-off levels continue to increase dramatically that we would probably have to take a look at the allowance. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: No, but I mean if they start to come down, are you going to start to lower the allowance?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

No, not until they come down substantially because this model has worked within a pretty wide range of charge-off levels. So that has to be pretty dramatic. Henry Coffey - Sterne, Agee, & Leach: Thank you very much.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Okay.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Joe Gagan with Atlantic Equity Research.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Yes, I just have two questions. The first question is according to my analysis of the data here, the charge-offs for the year increased 15.1%, the charge-offs as a percentage of receivables. And the provisions for loan losses as a percentage of the revenues increased 11%. And I think year-over-year if you look at the balance sheet, the allowance for loan losses as a percentage of gross loans was 5.6%, up from 5.5% last year. So, my question is it seems like the charge-offs are going up at a much higher rate percentage increase than the allowance and the provision for loan losses. And the previous guy, he asked the charge-offs went down. He said if the charge-offs went down, would the provision for loan losses go down, but I guess my question would be why would the provisions go down if they have lagged the charge-offs the last year?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I will try to answer that question if I understood exactly, but we have got three moving components here. We've got charge-offs. We have the provision and we have the allowance. As charge-offs go up, the provision automatically goes up because it's a very important part of the provision itself. The allowance itself, the balance sheet reserve for loan losses stays much closer to a flat percentage than you will see the charge-offs as they move up and down, not only on a quarterly basis but a year-over-year as our loss ratios.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Okay, so I'm sorry. Why don' we make it simple then?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Okay.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

The provision for loan losses went up 11% for the year and the charge-offs went up 15%. So, just simple math dictates the charge-offs are going off at a higher rate than provisions. So why are the provisions less, going up less?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I don't understand, because the provision for loan losses went up 26.6% last year but net charge-offs actually went up like 30%.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

I was looking at the ratio, so for example, the rate, maybe I'm looking at the wrong way but the ratio I was looking at if you look at the provision for loan losses as a percentage of revenues, I think it went from 11.5% last year to 13% this year, right? And then the charge-offs went up 15% if you look at the charge-offs as a percentage of the gross receivables.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Let's use actual numbers. The provision as a percent of average loans went up from 15.8% to 17.6%. Net charge-offs went up from 14.5% to 16.7%. Once again, I'm trying to answer your question but I'm not really sure what that question is. You will always see the relationship with the provision as the charge-offs go up, as our charge-offs go up, the provision will automatically go up.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Right.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Our allowance grows as our portfolio grows. Now what, the determining factor is do we believe that the balance sheet allowance is adequate at any point in time? And we believe as I just stated that the allowance is appropriate for a wide range of charge-offs ratios before we have to go in and change our models. If you look at our net, if you look at our allowance for loan losses and you look at the number of times our portfolio turns over in a period of, in any given year, it's about 3.5 times. And you look at our charge-off percentages and you will see that our coverage of the allowance is more than 3.5 times. We believe we should not be setting up for a specific reserve or even a general reserve for loan on our books that is going to be charged off in the fourth quarter of next year.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Okay, but just getting away from the allowance for loan losses, so should the provision for loan losses follow the increases in charge-offs to a certain degree? Or am I wrong on that assumption?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Yes, they do.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Okay. My next question is this. I think that you guys consider a loan delinquent if it's after 45 days?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

No, we consider a loan delinquent when a person does not make the payment on the day that it is due. Now, we have two measures of delinquency.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Okay.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

We have recency delinquency and we have contractual delinquency. And we have multiple different types of reporting delinquency. We have a potential that are not a full month past due. We have a 30. We have a 60. We have a 90. What we report is 61 day or more past due on both a recency and contractual basis.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

So you don't have a data point that says that delinquency, that there is a delinquency after 45 days? It's just 60, you said. Right?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

No, we do not have a 45-day delinquency.

Joe Gagan - Atlantic Equity Research

Management

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

We go next to Bill Dezellem with Titan Capital Management.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

Thank you. We have a group of questions. First of all, how does the De Novo office slowing, how does that affect your appetite for acquisitions?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

It does not have an impact. We evaluate all acquisitions that we are presented with on an individual basis and we will continue to do so. As you know, we do not go out and target companies. They generally through our contacts and so forth, when an independent for some reason wants to get out of the business, they will approach us and we will continue to evaluate those acquisition opportunities as they arise.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

And the reason that you are okay with that growth but wanting to moderate the De Novo growth is that the acquisitions, they come with their own branch managers and people so you don't have that hurdle to overcome?

Mark Roland

Management

This is Mark Roland. That is certainly a factor. Generally speaking, when we buy offices that we are going to remain open, those will come with seasoned, consumer finance staff with them unless they are going to be rolled into existing locations again. In that case, we have already got somebody to run them.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

Thank you. And then how many offices do you have in Illinois?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

61.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

Did I hear correct 61, 61?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

61, that's correct.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

Okay, thank you. And then circling back to the credit issues, you had referenced in your remarks I think in answer to a question that you saw some improvements late in the quarter. Would you provide some more details as qualitatively behind the improvements that you saw and when you saw them with the credit trends, please?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

In February and March periods, which are historically our lowest delinquency periods, we saw improvement in year-over-year delinquency in both a recency and contractual basis in narrowing the spread from the prior year. I don't have the exact December recency and contractual comparisons from both December ending periods, but I do know that the March period showed a significant narrowing of the gap to I believe a tenth of a percent on a recency basis and maybe a couple of tenths on a contractual basis. And that's kind of a rounding deal. So, basically those move together. In addition, the growth in the portfolio from the 11% reported at December quarter end to 12% March quarter end was reflected not only in that growth but in loan volumes surrounding that which helped create the growth. So from an operations perspective as we moved into March month end, we were pleased with our ability to grow the portfolio and also with our ability to control the delinquencies at that period end.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

And that's a nice segue to the next question I had which was relative to loan demand. If we just take a step back and think about your customers, are you finding that as the economy seems to be at least stabilizing and not in freefall that they are getting more interested in borrowing money than they had been when the economy was in freefall? Or have you seen any change in the customer's desire or interest to borrow?

Mark Roland

Management

That's hard to answer. Again this is Mark. If you look back over the entire year last year, we started April 1 at a little over 18% greater in loan balances than the prior same quarter, dropped to the mid-16s in the June and September quarter and where the bottom dropped out was the December quarter. And if you recall the mood of the economy at the time, the mood on the news and in the newspaper was ultimate doom and gloom. I think people were more interested in putting money under their mattress than they were on spending it for the holidays. For us to have rebounded from that December month-end period again is a marginally positive sign to me that loan demand is coming back. It's certainly not a divining rod to say that we are going to see improvements back into those 15%, 16%, 17% ranges that we saw before, but I certainly can't downplay the fact that I believe it was a step in the right direction.

Bill Dezellem - Titan Capital Management

Management

That's helpful. Thank you both.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). We will go next to Rick Shane with Jefferies & Company. Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company : Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple. In terms of the originations this quarter, what percentage were refinances?

Mark Roland

Management

We are looking. Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company: Great, as you are doing that, the other question and it really follows up on the previous caller's question in terms of what you saw during the quarter. One of the commentaries we've seen pretty consistently is that this year there was, it seems to be that there was a greater impact from tax refunds, tax refunds were up depending upon the numbers 6% to 9% year-over-year. And it sounds like commentary or based on commentary from other companies both large and small and both targeting high-end borrowers and low-end borrowers that lenders saw greater impact from tax refunds this year. Did you see that in your business? Do you think that that may be creating a little bit of noise in terms of what you saw in February and March, the peak periods for tax refunds especially for low-end borrowers?

Mark Roland

Management

Historically February and March have always been our lowest delinquency periods there, certainly the period when our customers have more available free money, free income than in any other period. But I don't believe that there was any evidence that there was any more. In fact, tax refunds by number were down. You are referring I assume to dollar refunds per individual taxpayer. We did not really see any difference and kind of the proof of that is that the paydowns in fact decreased. I mean we grew the portfolio on a linear basis from December through March. So, I am not sure that I can support the idea that you are alluding to.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

To answer your other question, as far as renewal percentages of total loan volume, 79.2% of our loan volume was renewals in the fourth quarter of this year compared to 79.5% for the same quarter of the prior year. If you look at those numbers on an annual basis, 75% were renewals during the entire fiscal 2009 compared to 73.3% during fiscal 2008. Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company: Okay, great. That's very helpful. I appreciate the data. I am not sure I understand the last statement though. The last statement was that you saw fewer paydowns related to tax refunds and that you basically saw denominator growth in terms of your delinquency data. So, does that suggest that the improvement in terms of delinquency ratios was a function of growth?

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I think what Mark was saying is that when you look at your loan balance in December and you look in your loan balances in March and you look at what happened, generally speaking during the fourth quarter because of, number one, the lack of, I mean, it's not the lack of, but the reduction in loan volume compared to the fourth quarter when we are having so much new borrowings for Christmas and so forth. These borrowers are not backing and borrowing as often in the fourth quarter as well as the fact that they are getting the most amount of money that they have access to during any period of the year. But our reduction between December and March was a little less than we have seen in prior years. Does that help? Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company: No, I think my head is starting to spin here a little bit. I took the original comment to mean that your delinquency improvement sequentially from December '08 to March '09 was a better rate of improvement than what you saw the previous year. And now I am wondering if that is because you saw stronger loan growth December to March than you did the previous year and actually fewer paydowns related to what is usually your best seasonal attribute, which is people taking their tax refunds and paying down bills.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I think my head is beginning to spin a little bit after that. Number one, Mark, in his comments did not, in talking about tax refunds did not really refer to delinquencies at all. I think when he compares delinquency and the only way we can compare delinquency is not between one quarter and the next but between where you stand this year versus the same time period of last year. And when Mark said that his delinquencies were down slightly, he was not referring to just the 60 plus delinquencies that we normally report but he's looking at it from an overall standpoint. So talking strictly about delinquencies and what impact it had upon our receipts during the quarter is kind of a disconnect. I think I don't know how to answer your question because I'm not really sure exactly what you are asking. Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company: Okay, I think we should probably go through this off-line. We will follow up. Sandy, Mark, thank you.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

I apologize, but I'm not sure I can answer the question whatever. Rick Shane - Jefferies & Company: No, I understand and I want to present the data in a little clearer way so we can have a better discussion about this. Thank you.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Okay.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to James Hom with Miller Tabak Roberts.

James Hom - Miller Tabak Roberts

Management

Hi, good morning and congratulations on an excellent quarter.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Thank you.

James Hom - Miller Tabak Roberts

Management

Most of my questions have been addressed, but just to follow up on your balance sheet, according to my calculation I guess it looks like you have about $74 million available on your revolver and only about $95 million outstanding of the fee percent converts at quarter end. Is that about fair?

Kelly Malson

Management

This is Kelly and that is correct.

James Hom - Miller Tabak Roberts

Management

Okay, thank you very much and that's it for me.

Operator

Operator

And there appear to be no further questions at this time. Mr. McLean, I will turn the conference back to you for closing remarks.

Sandy McLean

Chairman

Thank you very much for joining us today. We appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation. Before concluding this morning's teleconference, the corporation has asked again to remind you that the comments made during this conference may contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities and Exchange Act that represent the Corporation's expectations and beliefs concerning future events. Such forward-looking statements are about matters that are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results or performance to differ from the expectations expressed or implied in such forward-looking statements include changes in the timing amount of revenues that may be recognized by the Corporation, changes in current revenue and expense trends; changes in the corporation's markets; and changes in the economy. Such factors are discussed in greater detail in the Corporation's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. That concludes this World Acceptance Corporation’s quarterly conference. Have a good day.