W. P. Carey Inc. (WPC) Q1 2026 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Hello, and welcome to W. P. Carey's First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Diego, and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions] Please note that today's event is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the program over to Peter Sands, Head of Investor Relations. Mr. Sands, please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our 2026 First Quarter Earnings Call. Before we begin, I need to remind everyone that some of the statements made on this call are not historic facts and may be deemed forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from W. P. Carey's expectations are provided in our SEC filings. An online replay of this conference call will be made available in the Investor Relations section of our website at wpcarey.com, where it will be archived for approximately 1 year and where you can also find copies of our investor presentations and other related materials. And with that, I'll hand the call over to W. P. Carey's Chief Executive Officer, Jason Fox.

Thanks, Peter. Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to say we've started the year with continued strong execution across the business, particularly in our investment activity and capital raising, building on the foundation we've established for attractive sustainable growth. Given our performance to date, for raising our full year guidance for both investment volume and AFFO per share, reflecting the investments we've completed to date, the strength of our pipeline and a more favorable outlook for estimated brand loss. This morning, I'll briefly recap some of the highlights from the quarter, focusing on our investment activity. Toni Sanzone, our CFO, will then take you through the details behind our results, balance sheet and guidance. We're joined by Brooks Gordon, our Head of Asset Management, to help answer your questions. Starting with our investment activity. So far this year, we completed investments totaling approximately $680 million. Our pipeline remains very strong with over $0.5 billion of deals currently at advanced stages, including the sale leaseback of a large industrial portfolio that's in the final stages of closing. That gives us clear visibility into well over $1 billion of investments. Importantly, we've continued to see strong momentum in our deal flow with no noticeable impact on transaction activity to date from recent geopolitical tensions. Given our activity and outlook, we've raised our guidance range for full year investment volume by $250 million to between $1.5 billion and $2 billion. Factoring in what we've already closed, our current pipeline, in the capital projects we have delivering this year resulted in an average cap rate of approximately 7.5%. And for the full year, we expect to remain around that level. We continue to transact across a range of cap rates the deals we've closed year-to-date have generally skewed toward the low end of our target range and below where our pipeline is pricing with closed transactions averaging 7.2%. This largely reflects timing as it includes some of what we expect to be our tightest cap rate deals over the first half of the year. I'd also highlight that our investment activity to start the year has been mostly weighted towards Europe and Canada, where we secured lower cost debt during the quarter including a 2 tranche Eurobond offering at a 3.5% average coupon and a Canadian dollar term loan at just over 3%, helping maintain attractive spreads to our going in cap rates. We also continue to originate deals with fixed rent bumps averaging in the high 2% range or with CPI-based rent escalations. As a result, we're still achieving average yields of around 9% over long lease terms. During the first quarter, we allocated the majority of our capital to warehouse and industrial properties, which accounted for approximately 60% of investment volume. Retail represented the remaining 40% and driven largely by the sale leaseback that we completed with Go Auto for a portfolio of auto dealerships with strong site-level coverage concentrated in the Greater Vancouver area. Go Auto is the second largest automotive dealership group in Canada, and now ranks among W.P. Carey's top 25 largest tenants by ABR. We completed 4 capital projects during the quarter, totaling $68 million, which are included in our year-to-date investment volume and added a handful of small projects scheduled to deliver later this year. In total, we have 11 capital projects totaling approximately $280 million, delivering over the next 12 months. These projects are generating cap rates incrementally higher than both our year-to-date investments and our full year expectations, providing attractive risk-adjusted returns. As I've discussed on prior calls, these projects, particularly the expansions frequently deliver above-market yields while also extending lease terms and enhancing the strategic importance to the assets involved. Given the size of our portfolio and our long history in this area, further supported by our recent Carey tenant solutions initiative, we believe we're well positioned to expand this highly attractive proprietary source of deal flow. Our internal growth also remains strong and continues to trend higher on new investments. And if inflationary pressures from higher energy prices persist, our portfolio is uniquely positioned to benefit given the high proportion of ABR with rent escalations tied to CPI. Lastly, turning to our sources of capital. Our investment activity continues to be supported by well-executed capital raising, driven by the debt issuance and forward equity sales we completed in February. In addition to further strengthening our balance sheet, these actions have effectively prefunded our investment needs for 2026. We've also locked in attractive pricing and meaningfully reduce our exposure to potential further capital markets volatility this year. As a result, we're confident we can continue deploying capital throughout 2026. As a reminder, we also expect to generate around $300 million of retained cash flow this year, providing an additional source of equity capital. And while additional asset sales are not a core part of our funding strategy, we continue to have the flexibility to pursue additional accretive dispositions at attractive cap rates, if needed. Let me pause there and hand the call over to Tony to discuss our results, balance sheet and guidance in more detail.

Thanks, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Starting with earnings. AFFO per share was $1.30 for the first quarter, which represented a $0.13 or 11.1% increase compared to the first quarter of last year. Accretive investment activity continues to drive our year-over-year growth, having closed $2.8 billion of investments since the start of 2025 at accretive cap rates and healthy spreads to our funding sources. As Jason mentioned, given the pace and volume of our investment activity to start the year as well as the strength of our pipeline, we've raised our expectations for both full year investment volume and AFFO per share. As outlined in our earnings release, we've increased our investment volume guidance to a range of $1.5 billion to $2 billion, which, together with lower estimated potential rent loss results in an aggregate $0.03 increase to our AFFO per share guidance at the midpoint. For 2026, we therefore currently expect AFFO per share to total between $5.16 and $5.26, implying 4.8% growth at the midpoint. Turning to our portfolio, starting with dispositions. First quarter asset sales generated gross proceeds totaling $163 million. This included the sale of the 11 remaining operating self-storage properties in our portfolio for $75 million. With that, we've now completed our exit from operating self-storage, further simplifying our business and generating aggregate proceeds of approximately $860 million at an average cap rate just below 6%, which we've recycled accretively into higher-yielding investments. Contractual same-store rent growth for the quarter was 2.4% year-over-year with both fixed and CPI-linked rent escalations averaging 2.4%. For the full year, we continue to expect contractual same-store rent growth to average in the mid-2% range. We continue to achieve strong rent escalations on our new investments. About 3/4 of our investment volume during the first quarter had leases with rent increases tied to CPI, while the other 1 quarter had fixed rent escalations averaging 2.8% annually. Comprehensive same-store rent growth for the quarter, which takes into account the impacts of re-leasing, rent collections, vacancies and lease restructurings was 1% with the variance to contractual driven largely by the impact of vacancy during the quarter. Given the nature of this metric, comprehensive same-store rent growth can vary from period to period. often due to onetime items or properties moving in and out of the same-store pool. Historically, our comprehensive same-store rent growth has trailed contractual by approximately 100 basis points on average and we believe that's a reasonable estimate for the portfolio over the long term. Portfolio occupancy at the end of the first quarter was 98.1%, up slightly from the fourth quarter and is expected to improve further as we continue to retenant or dispose of vacant assets. Our portfolio continues to perform well with no new material changes in credit throughout the portfolio so far this year. We've, therefore, lowered the potential rent loss assumption embedded in our AFFO guidance to between $8 million and $12 million or about 50 to 75 basis points of ABR, down from our prior estimate of $10 million to $15 million. And based on what we see today, we would still characterize our revised assumption as conservative. Our first quarter re-leasing activity resulted in the overall recapture of 103% of prior rents. On 1.4% of portfolio ABR and added just over 5 years of weighted average lease term. Other lease-related income for the first quarter was $10.5 million in line with our expectations and includes termination income related to redevelopment work that commenced this quarter. Based on our current visibility, we expect other lease-related income for the second quarter to be in line with the first quarter. and to total in the low to mid-$30 million range for the full year as we continue to proactively manage our portfolio. Non-reimbursed property expenses totaled $14.6 million for the quarter. which includes approximately $1.2 million of demolition costs related to redevelopment work, as we discussed on our last call. We expect to incur additional demolition costs in the second quarter which would increase nonreimbursed property expenses further before resuming to a more normalized run rate in the back half of the year. For the full year, we continue to expect nonreimbursed property expenses to total between $56 million and $60 million. G&A expense totaled $27.3 million for the first quarter, in line with our expectations since the first quarter tends to be the highest of the year for G&A given the timing of payroll taxes. For the full year, we continue to expect G&A to total between $103 million and $106 million with the second quarter resuming a more regular run rate. Moving to our balance sheet. We were very active in the capital markets during the first quarter, accessing close to $2 billion of capital across a variety of sources, taking proactive steps to further strengthen our balance sheet and ensure we're well positioned to fund our projected investment activity. In February, we issued EUR 1 billion of senior unsecured notes, comprising to EUR 500 million tranches with coupon rates of 3.25% on a long 5-year maturity and 3.75% on a long 9-year maturity. We executed during a particularly attractive window with proceeds used to address our April Eurobond maturity, which we repaid in March to rehire EUR 215 million term loan and to increase our overall liquidity to support externally driven growth. In March, we amended our credit agreement, replacing the euro term loan I just mentioned with the new Canadian dollar term loan at a current all-in rate of approximately 3.1%, with proceeds used to fund our Canadian investment activity. At the same time, we were able to improve our overall revolver pricing grid by 5 basis points at all levels, incrementally lowering our cost of debt. We also successfully executed in the equity markets during the quarter, selling 6.9 million shares on a forward basis, representing total gross proceeds of $497 million. This, combined with the forward equity we sold under our ATM program in the second half of 2025. And gives us enough runway to execute investment volume above the top end of our current guidance range. At the end of the first quarter, we settled 3.45 million shares under forward sale agreements for net proceeds totaling $247 million, leaving us with 9.7 million shares remaining to be settled, representing anticipated net proceeds of $653 million as of the end of March. Driven by our capital markets activity, we ended the first quarter with substantial liquidity totaling approximately $2.8 billion, including availability on our credit facility, cash on hand and unsettled forward equity. Our remaining debt maturities this year are minimal, primarily comprising the $350 million of U.S. bonds we have maturing in October. The weighted average interest rate on our debt remains low at 3.1% for the first quarter and is expected to remain in the low to mid-3% range for the full year after taking into account our recent bond issuances. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA ended the quarter at 5.3x, inclusive of unsettled forward equity. Excluding the impact of unsettled forward equity, net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 5.7x, down from 5.9x at year-end and well within our target range of mid- to high 5x. Lastly, on our dividend. In March, we increased our quarterly dividend 4.5% year-over-year to $0.93 per share, maintaining a healthy payout ratio of 72%. Based on our current stock price, that equates to an attractive annualized dividend yield of over 5%. We expect our dividend to continue to grow in line with our AFFO growth, while maintaining a conservative payout ratio. And with that, I'll hand the call back to Jason.

Thanks, Tony. In closing, we're pleased with our performance year-to-date, driven by the continued momentum in our investment activity, the strength of our pipeline and our capital markets execution. All of which position us well to continue executing going forward. As we look ahead, we remain confident we're on track to deliver double-digit total shareholder returns again in 2026, and that's before any multiple expansion. Our projected earnings growth compares favorably across the net lease sector. And over time, we would expect that to be further reflected in our trading multiple. That concludes our prepared remarks. So I'll pass the call back to the operator for questions.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Michael Goldsmith with UBS.

First, you have a third -- the portfolio in Europe, you continue to acquire there. Are you seeing any impact of the portfolio? Or is there any worry that you have just given some of these global macro events and also just the conflict in Iran. Is that having any impact on your portfolio in Europe?

No. I guess there's a little bit more potential for uncertainty in Europe, given higher energy prices there, but it hasn't impacted us. And if you think about our portfolio, it's diversified mainly have very large companies that can ride through the different cycles, and we've shown that in the past. So there's not big concerns there. We feel good about the portfolio. We haven't seen anything yet. I think that's certainly something I could say definitively.

And my follow-up question is, you said in the prepared remarks, you've effectively prefunded your investment needs for 2026. And I guess like how are you thinking about just funding going forward? Or do you sit back and and just kind of wait to see what comes to you would be opportunistic with your fundraising? Or is this the time where you can be a little bit more aggressive start to prefund '27 and then if the volumes continue to pick up in '26, it gives you the position to be more aggressive. Just trying to get an understanding of your thoughts in the funding environment and what's next there?

Yes. I mean we're sitting on $650 million of forward equity right now that's left to be settled. We have lots of liquidity, as you pointed out. In terms of more equity, I would say if there's good opportunities to get ahead of our needs for 2027 and raise more equity, I think we'll always consider that. we're certainly comfortable where we are today. And a lot of it will depend on the investment opportunity set and what that looks like. That's probably going to be the biggest driver. But Bottom line is we really don't have any visible needs right now so we can be -- I think you're aware we're opportunistic.

Your next question comes from Jana Galan with Bank of America.

This is Dan on for Yana. Could you please provide any updates on the carried tenant solution platform?

Yes, sure. I mean we talked about this in some detail on last quarter's -- and these are the types of construction projects that we've been doing for quite some time, dating back several decades. They include build-to-suits and expansions and redevelopments and -- the reason why we've been more deliberate about talking about it is to make sure that people understand that this is part of our business, and it's maybe another part of our business that we think we can grow. And part of the branding around it is to formalize it and maybe be a little bit more holistic in our outreach to our tenants. If you look at historically what we've done, it's probably been around $200 million per year. That will vary from year-to-year, but that's probably a decent average. And we think that can perhaps get bigger. And one of the benefits of being a large REIT, like VR, we have built up a very capable in-house project management team. And so that's a real competitive advantage. And what we found in our outreach to tenants and when we can offer them various development services and other solutions that can lead to follow-on deals. Currently, and we provide a lot of detail on our sub around this. We have about $280 million of projects in process and about $180 million of that $20 million will complete this year. And beyond that, there's a really active pipeline of potential projects that we would expect to move along over the coming quarters.

And then also with the self-storage operating assets disposition is now completed, what additional assets are you targeting to meet your full year disposition guidance? And any plans on the the other 5 operating assets.

Brooks, do you want to take that?

Sure. As Tony mentioned, we maintain a pretty flexible disposition strategy for the year this early in the year. a range between $250 million and $750 million. And so we really value that flexibility. In terms of other operating assets, we have a few hotels and 1 student housing property that we are evaluating for dispositions, potentially in the back half of this year, but also potentially into next year. So it's something we're looking at. But again, we've maintained a lot of flexibility from from a liquidity and capital perspective. So that will really investment pipeline will help drive kind of where we land in that range.

Your next question comes from Anthony Paolone with JPMorgan.

Can you talk about the investment pipeline and what the geographic skew looks like at the moment? And also the property type kind of buckets where you're seeing more or less and just where the dispersion around that mid 7s cap rate resides?

Yes, sure. In pipeline, remain strong. I mentioned earlier that includes kind of over $0.5 billion of identified transactions, some of which are in advanced stages. And it includes 1 larger sale leaseback of a sizable industrial portfolio in the U.S. that should close over the next couple of weeks. And then we mentioned also that we have around $180 million of projects that are scheduled to complete this year. So that's all part of the visibility into the deal volume that we have this year. In terms of geography, Europe continues to ramp. I think of the deals closed year-to-date, about half of those were in Europe. A deal in Poland, Robin was the largest another 30% of that was in Canada and the range was in the U.S. yes. But for Europe, we see a continuation of the increased activity that we started seeing in the second half of last year. But that doesn't mean that U.S. is slowing. I think the pipeline is roughly back in line with our ABR mix. It's about 2/3 in the U.S. and 1/3 in Europe right now. And then property types, I think this is a consistent theme for us. We continue to see interesting opportunities in industrial, and that's both manufacturing and warehouse year-to-date, about 60% were industrial and 2/3 of that were warehouse and then we also saw a pickup in retail. A lot of that was driven by the [indiscernible] deal that we talked about earlier. And then the pipeline is more heavily weighted towards industrial. That's probably 80% right now. But but there's a lot of opportunities at the top of the funnel that will come in as well.

Okay. And then just second question. You all have historically had a strong tie-in with private equity. And I was wondering if you've seen sort of some of the challenges on the private credit side have any implications on your deal pipeline, either making sale-leaseback more attractive or just generally having any impact on your tenant base?

Yes. Let me start on the deal impact. I mean I think our expectations are that potentially sale leasebacks could become a more interesting opportunity for some of the private equity-backed companies that maybe if there's a void with private capital to the extent underwriting or capital flows tighten up there. I wouldn't say that's a theme we're seeing right now, but certainly, it's a possibility that, that emerges more. Brooks, I don't know if you're seeing anything within our portfolio related to private credit.

No, we haven't seen really discernible specific impacts. It's something we'll continue to watch out for, but that hasn't been a factor as of yet.

Your next question comes from Smedes Rose with Citi.

I wanted to ask you just a little bit about in the past, you've spoken about leaning into retail more. You obviously completed some in Canada this quarter. I just wanted to ask you, how do you think about kind of the rent escalators in that segment versus maybe in other asset classes?

Yes, sure. I mean there is a difference. I think market standards for retail tend to be lighter bumps than what we're able to negotiate in industrial and warehouse, I think that makes sense. I think the warehouse market generally has grown substantially over the last couple of years in terms of rent growth and a lot of the bumps we put into our leases are meant to be a proxy for market rent and the rents for warehouses or manufacturing plants for industrial companies tend not to be a big part of their cost inputs. Whereas retail rent typically is their biggest expense. So there's more of a focus on that. And I think that's why historically, you've seen flatter leases. I think where we target, which is sub-investment-grade retail, bump structures are probably in the on average, maybe the 1.5% to 2% range compared to industrial where we're seeing probably more like 2.5%, 3% or even above that. I think once you get into investment-grade retail, which which we view as the commodity segment of net lease and tend not to participate in that all that much. Those leases tend to be even flatter and really the only way to differentiate yourself when investing there is through pricing. So that's kind of the -- there's meaningful differences there, I think, between the 2 in terms of bump structures.

And then I guess I just wanted to ask you, too. I mean you mentioned some tighter cap rate spread deals, I think you're looking at in the first half of I mean, does that pertain to the larger kind of industrial type portfolios that you're looking at? Or is it more for one-off opportunities or maybe just commentary on kind of the pricing across like larger deals versus smaller deals.

Yes. It's not related to larger or smaller deals and really the reference to the tighter cap rates were -- was to the deals that we've closed year-to-date. It's about $680 million. Those deals blended towards the lower end of our target range at 7.2%. And my expectation is that those will be some of the tighter cap rate deals we closed this quarter. Those also, I think maybe it's important to note, and we talked about this earlier, that the bulk of those deals were done in Europe and Canada, where our borrowing costs are meaningfully cheaper than that in the U.S. So despite the lower cap rate, we did see attractive spreads on those deals. And then I think the other half of this is our pipeline in addition to our capital investment projects delivering this year those are more in the upper end of our target range, which helps us to blend to the mid-7s for the year. So I think overall, it feels like cap rates have been relatively stable for the year despite the macro volatility. Hard to predict, of course, what's going to happen in the second half of the year. But because we transact across a wide range of cap rates, sometimes the timing of the mix will create some dispersion there, but I don't think it's any read through to any market trends or specific geographies or asset classes.

Your next question comes from Ryan Caviola with Green Street Advisors.

Just a quick one on onshoring. Obviously, this trend should be helpful for the in-place industrial portfolio. Do you think those tailwinds will lead to more competition and bidding tents with new buyers interested in industrial net lease? And would this lead to a continued focus on intentional acquisitions in Europe. Or do you see it just being an overall benefit for all buyers in that space?

Yes. I think it's the latter. I think that to the extent there is more onshoring or reshoring? I think we stand certainly within our portfolio, stand to benefit substantially. We're one of the larger owners of industrial properties, especially manufacturing and to the extent it increases demand on those types of buildings that we own, we think that's good for rent growth. We think that's good for the the criticality factor that we tend to underwrite in the buildings that we own. Could it attract more competition, perhaps, I mean, if a particular end of the market becomes more attractive I think you could see some capital flows in there. But it's a big market, and I think the deposit certainly would outweigh any kind of increased competitive cash flow or capital flows.

And then on the -- just the mix between new deals in terms of embedding in inflation-based increases in the lease or focusing on higher fixed escalators. Can you just update us on where that stands and if this has any differences, whether it be by country or our industry?

Yes, sure. I mean since the spike in inflation 4 or 5 years back, the CPI-based leases have gotten to be a little bit more difficult to negotiate into new deals. I mean, that's, I guess, particularly in the U.S. In 2025, last year, about 1/4 of our deals had CPI-linked increases. But so far this year, it's actually the opposite. It's about 3/4 of deals closed to date were CPI based. And I think to your point, I think that's a function of geography more than anything else. Europe leases, it's still customary to have inflation-based increases embedded in there. And so year-to-date, as we mentioned, there's been -- more of our deals have been in Europe. I think the Go Auto deal in Canada -- that's also a CPI-based increase negotiated in there, something that we certainly value having that inflation hedge built into our portfolio, and it's important to get. But when we don't get inflation-based increases, the effects of of high inflation have still kind of flowed through to our fixed increases where historically, our average fixed increase is probably closer to 2% where the last 3 or 4 years, we're probably 50 to 100 basis points above that on new deals with fixed increases.; So we're still seeing some of the benefits there. And it's probably a good reminder of the and we talked about this a lot about the differentiation of our portfolio compared to many of our net lease peers where we have substantial internal growth built into our model as opposed to just relying on spread investing and external growth.

Your next question comes from Mitch Germain with Citizens Bank.

So Jason, just following up on that topic, is it more standard to have a CPI-based lease in Europe versus kind of what the accessible rate is here in the U.S.

Get it. It's definitely more standard and more customary in Europe. I think that we've always made it part of our model to the extent we can in the U.S., and this dates back to we've been around for 50-something years at this point in time, and a lot of this dates back to the 80s on the themes of trying to create an inflation hedge within a fixed income type stream that net lease can sometimes be and we think we've done a good job of that.

Got you. And clearly, there's a lot of momentum in the business. I'm curious, though, if you're seeing some of the buyers that for the last couple of years have been on the sidelines reemerge? And is any real change in the competitive balance within the investment sales markets.

Yes. I mean the net lease market has always been competitive and that's especially in the U.S. I would say there have been some new entrants over the last couple of years. It's a lot of the names that we read about. Some of the big asset managers have acquired other platforms. And I mean, one of the things that we've observed and we've heard this from bankers as well, is it doesn't necessarily mean there's new kind of incrementally new players in the business, many of them have just changed brands for being independent to be part of a big asset manager. Regardless, it doesn't feel like it's been all that impactful and I think ultimately, the results speak for themselves as we continue to generate substantial deal volume at attractive pricing and spreads and that's irrespective of competition. And I think beyond pricing, I mean, we have a lot of competitive advantages. We've been doing this for a long time, experience and execution really matter, especially when we're focused on more complex sale leasebacks and I think our track record and reputation in the market are something that helps differentiate us. So it all seems manageable. And again, it's not showing up in the numbers that's for sure.

Your next question comes from Eric Borden with BMO Capital Markets.

I just understand that the spread between contractual and comprehensive growth can fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter. And over the long term, the average spread has been around 100 basis points. But just curious what your expectation is for this -- for that spread for the remainder of the year as it sounded like you may have some vacancies to address.

Toni, do you want to take that?

Sure. Yes. I think you covered kind of the highlights there. I think as we mentioned, the contractual side, we're expecting around mid-2% growth from our contractual base lease escalations. And then on the contract on the comprehensive side, again, factoring in vacancies probably the biggest impact we see over the course of this year. As you mentioned, it does move around from quarter-to-quarter that can be collecting rents recovery of rent in any 1 period, we could see that move. I think the 100 basis points it's a good round number we use in terms of kind of our historical average, but really is a good estimate over the long term. I think factoring that in, we could certainly see the range for this year being between 1% and 2% on the comprehensive side, but it really does depend on how soon we address vacant asset dispositions and like I said, timing of things like rent recoveries.

Okay. That's helpful. And then Jason, just going back to your comments around your well-capitalized European tenant base who can absorb oil shocks and supply chain volatility. But -- do you have any exposure to maybe less capitalized tenants or tenant categories with buyer sensitivity to commodity price swings and how are you underwriting or monitoring that risk today?

Yes. Brooks, do you want to take that, kind of, I guess, a broad question, but...

I mean I think the key point in there is what Jason mentioned is that the broad diversification, long-term leases and high criticality. I mean, we transact with businesses of all sizes from the biggest in the world to smaller companies. The bulk of our company's by large margin are large, well-capitalized companies and that remains true in Europe as well. So our overall view of oil shock is it's a risk we need to monitor very closely. But we haven't thus far seen direct impact. It's something we'll pay very close attention to. But again, our portfolio is really constructed intentionally to absorb any types of shocks or headwinds, and we've seen that a number of times over the decades. So we're confident in that. And I think that diversification really is key there.

Your next question comes from Jim Kammert with Evercore ISI.

Jason or team, are you willing to provide a little bit of color on terms of financial data regarding, say, Robin and Go Auto both from their website, look to be pretty substantial companies, but I think they're both privately owned, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just curious if you can provide a little sort of financial flare or color around the size and the gift scope of those companies.

Yes, sure. They are private companies. So I think we are -- you under some restrictions in terms of talking about financial details. With Go Auto, we talked about earlier that they're the second largest auto dealership platform in Canada, they are diversified across pretty much all of the OEMs or the brands, and they have proven track growth over many years at this point in time. I think sales for them are greater than $3 billion. I think Robin also a large company, they are a Dutch company, but one of the largest 3PL operators in Poland. I don't think we can talk about kind of revenue or EBITDA, but they're 1 of the market leaders in the Poland market from a 3PL standpoint.

That's helpful. And then sort of derivative of the first question. It seems like you've knocked out a growing list. I mean, lifetime. We just talked about Robin and Go Auto, kind of $200 million plus transactions. Is that just happenstance? Or is there some message to read into that in terms of your investing efficiency and where you're spending your time on the external side.

Yes, sure. I mean, look, it's -- I guess I would say the majority of our deals typically fall within the call it, $25 million to $100 million deal size range. Average transaction is maybe around $50 million, perhaps a little bit bigger than that. But we do consistently see larger deals. They're part of our regular deal flow -- on any given year, we would expect on a bid on a number of these larger sale leasebacks, call it, 200, 300 or even larger deals. You mentioned Go Auto and Robin and last year lifetime. So we do tend to complete several of these larger deals each year, and I just mentioned earlier that we have one larger sale leaseback in the pipeline an industrial deal in the U.S. that should close over the next week or 2. So yes, so it's part of the deal flow. And look, we're one of the largest net lease REITs. So I think one of the benefits of our scale is that we can do larger deals in the other regular part of our business.

And your next question comes from John Kilichowski with Wells Fargo.

My first one is just on the new credit loss guide. I know last quarter, about there wasn't any maybe specific items that you were looking into. Has there anything now this quarter that you have some sense of this is where credit is going to turn out? Or is the 8 to 12 number still more of an open-ended space just for things that may come up in the rest of the year?

Toni, do you want to just touch on kind of the range and how that's changed? And then maybe Brooks, you can just give a little bit of color on credit watch.

Yes, I'd say it's more the latter. I would say we've not really seen any material credit change in the portfolio since the start of the year, and that's really amongst our watch list and more broadly. So really with 4 months of good rent collections behind us and our current view of the tenants, we did feel comfortable bringing down the range. The range is still larger than our typical historical losses. But again, that's more about being prudent in this uncertain macro environment and then really ensuring we're covered in any number of scenarios rather than anything that we're seeing currently in the portfolio.

Yes. And then just on credit watch and credit quality, generally, as Toni mentioned, it's pretty stable. As you noted, we lowered the rent loss assumption range, which is sort of the most direct tool we can offer you there, watch list came down slightly as well. Some color commentary on the watch list is [indiscernible] remains the biggest exposure there is about 1% by ABR and coming down quite quickly. We're on track to have that out of our top '25 in the first half around midyear, I should say. The only other tenants to note is Cornerstone where is about 60 basis points of ABR. The largest exterior building products manufacturer, a very large company, over $5 billion in revenue. They've been on watch, we expect they'll restructure at some point. Their balance sheet is over-levered, but we own very critical real estate, don't expect any impact there. But that's the only 1 upside. The rest of the credit watch list is really diversified and with smaller tenants.

SP1 Okay. That's helpful. And then on the second one, earlier, you gave some helpful color around some operating assets that you may consider selling the rest of the year. I was just hoping if you can give maybe some idea of the buckets of capital that you're considering selling? And then maybe to add on to that, the cap rates that you think you could blend to for the rest of the year.

Brooks, do you want to take that?

Yes, does it mean. Yes. So again, as I mentioned, it's a little difficult to pin down with precision because we are maintaining a lot of flexibility there in the disposition plan. Roughly at the midpoint, you kind of view it as a split in 2 buckets. The first is noncore kind of accretive exit, those are primarily operating properties. The final tranche of storage was the biggest piece of that. we're evaluating one student housing property and several hotels for the second half too early to determine exactly timing on those. A few other noncore opportunities, including we exited recently post quarter, our only remaining Asian asset for a very good price. So that's kind of your first bucket. The balance is kind of your risk mitigation and vacancy that's transactions such as the Joanne, from Joanne warehouse we sold which we -- I think we discussed last call, that sold a very attractive cap rate, mid-5s cap rate on the prior rent. Also some hell wigs we've been exiting in a few warehouse assets. So from a pricing perspective, again, tricky to pin it down with precision. I'd say that first bucket would be kind of in your mid-6s cap rate range. It really depends exactly on what closes, but in that universe. On the second bucket, harder to pin down at this point of the year. But considering that there's some vacancy embedded in that, it's going to be a nice earnings tailwind in any event. So hopefully, that helps you color perspective but a bit premature to nail it down.

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank.

Jason, how are you thinking about geographic diversity and density in certain countries in Europe, with Poland now is your #1 international exposure following the Robin acquisition do you expect to see further increase in exposure there? Or is there a limit at a country or regional level that you think is best for the portfolio?

Yes. I mean there's no specific cap or maximum exposure. But I think we're certainly very mindful diversification at the same time, given our scale, it would take some meaningful sized poles transactions to really move the needle there. We've been investing in Poland for a long time now. It's over 2 decades, and it's really become a core piece of the broader European net lease market. I think people that don't follow Europe as closely, you may not know it, but it's the sixth largest economy in the EU. It's also top 20 economy globally. It's 1 of the fastest-growing economies in the EU as well. Projected growth is about 3.3% this year. So yes, it's an attractive market for us. I mean the bulk of what we own there support supply chains for large multinational companies, both manufacturing and logistics assets that it kind of serves as a a low-cost manufacturing and distribution hub into Western Europe. So yes, good market for us. I think we'll stay active there, but we're certainly mindful that it's become about 5% of our portfolio. It's not a huge exposure, but we certainly keep an eye on that.

That's helpful. And then with visibility into over $1 billion of deals at this point of the year, do you see investment guidance as conservative? Or is there some expectation for deals to slow into year end?

I mean look, we're confident that we'll continue generating higher deal volume throughout the year as we did last year. I think from a guidance perspective, and we did this last year. We want to take a measured approach. I think last year that led to a series of increases and that's kind of the preference going forward. Last quarter, our initial guidance, we talked about that as a starting point. And obviously, we just increased that by $250 million at the midpoint. And the expectation is as we progress through the year and get more visibility into the back half of the year, we'll refine that range and hopefully raise it further. And we're off to a good start, you mentioned the $1 billion of visibility and that includes almost $700 million of close of investments to date. So I think the elements are there for us to have another strong year. And I think we'll kind of reflect that in our guidance as appropriate and as the year progresses.

Your next question comes from Jason Wayne with Barclays.

Thanks for the question. Just looking at the lease expiration schedule kind of quarter-over-quarter, lease expirations came down as a percentage of ABR this year and next year. I guess how much of that is due to looking at upcoming maturities proactively versus just changes in the portfolio?

Brooks, do you want to take that?

Yes. So as you noted, we've been making a lot of progress on lease expirations. I'd say that cadence is pretty normal for us. The track record over the past 10 or so years has been very good on rent recapture around 100% and very low TIs. So you can kind of see that flowing through our disclosure numbers there. In other cases, where we've noted a few assets where we're looking to release. So we're working through those. That's part of it as well. From a lease expiration outlook perspective, 2026 is very manageable. It's about 1.8% by ABR. That's coming down pretty quickly. And so we're making good progress on that. We have a couple of nonrenewals expected in Q4, these are really high-quality warehouses, below market rents. So we're optimistic that we're going to be able to push rents higher on those, but those are sort of towards the end of the year, so not impactful to 2026. In 2027, we've got about 3.5% expiring. That's actually come down a little bit subsequently as well from some renewals we've achieved post quarter. manageable year. One item to note is we have the expiration of the final tranche of net leased [ Marriotts ] in 2025, that's around $5 million of ABR. We'll exit those in in due course, but important to note there's coverage there. So there's no earnings impact, but that's something we'll look to address in 2027. But all in all, making good progress on lease expirations in those assets that do have some nonrenewal. We're quite optimistic about our ability to push rent higher there.

Thank you. At this time, I am not showing any further questions. I'll now hand the call back to Mr. Sands.

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