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Wolfspeed, Inc. (WOLF)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 16, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Cree, Inc. Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2016 Earnings Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Raiford Garrabrant, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Raiford Garrabrant

Analyst

Thank you, Abigail, good afternoon. Welcome to Cree's fourth quarter fiscal 2016 conference call. Today, Chuck Swoboda, our Chairman and CEO; and Mike McDevitt, our CFO, will report on our results for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2016. Please note that we'll be presenting non-GAAP financial results during today's call, and reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures is in our press release and posted in the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's presentations include forward-looking statements about our business outlook, and we may make other forward-looking statements during the call. Such forward-looking statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties. Our press release today and the SEC filings noted in the release mention important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Also, I'd like to note that we'll be limiting our comments regarding Cree's fourth quarter of fiscal year 2016 to a discussion of the information included in our press release. We will not be able to answer any questions that would involve providing additional financial information about the quarter beyond the comments made in the prepared remarks. Consistent with our previous conference calls, we're requesting that only sell-side analysts to ask questions during the Q&A session. Also, since we plan to complete the call in the allotted time of one hour, we ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, please contact us after the call by email or phone at 919-287-7895. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Chuck.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thank you, Raiford. Fiscal 2016 was a year of progress towards our goal to build a more focused and valuable LED lighting technology company. We successfully restructured the LED business, improved commercial lighting fundamental, refocused our consumer business on premium LED bulbs and unlocked significant value with the agreement to sell Wolfspeed. Fiscal 2016 revenue was similar to fiscal 2015 at $1.6 billion. As the combination of growth and commercial lighting and stable LED revenue was offset by lower consumer lighting sales and the slowdown in our Power and RF business. Despite some challenges in the year, we made good progress growing company profits as the non-GAAP operating income increased 55% to $102 million or 6.3% of revenue. This is a 230 basis point increase driven by improved margin in lighting and LEDs combined with lower OpEx spending which more than offset lower Power and RF margin. Non-GAAP net income increased 23% to $88 million while earnings per share increased 37%. These results demonstrate that our strategy to focus more on lightings to drive operating profit is working. Fiscal Q4 results were in the middle of our target range. Revenue increased to $388 million as commercial lighting regained momentum in the quarter as orders increased, customer service improved and we released nine new products or significant upgrades in the quarter. The growth in commercial lighting more than offset the slowdown in consumer lighting as we reduced retail inventory in preparation for our next generation bulb launch in late Q1. LED products continue to execute well despite the challenging competitive environment and we also benefited from LED related IP license revenue in the quarter. Power and RF revenue was in line with targets. The decision to sell Wolfspeed to Infineon instead of continuing down the IPO path speeds our transition to an LED lighting technology company while providing significant resources to accelerate our growth. Divesting Wolfspeed which includes our Power and RF product segment and non-LED materials business is expected to reduce short term profits but at the same time increase free cash flow. We believe this will also increase management focus on the core lighting business and provide capital to support our mission to build a larger and more valuable company. I will now turn the call over to Mike McDevitt to review our fourth quarter and fiscal 2016 financial results in more detail as well as our targets for the first quarter of fiscal 2017.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thank you, Chuck. I will be providing commentary on our financial statements on the non-GAAP basis, which is consistent with how management measures Cree's results internally. However, non-GAAP results are not in accordance with GAAP and may not be comparable to non-GAAP information provided by other companies. Non-GAAP information should be considered a supplement to and not a substitute for financial statements prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP information to the corresponding GAAP measures for all periods mentioned on this call is posted on our website or provided in our press release along with historical summary of other key metrics. For fiscal 2016, revenue was similar to fiscal 2015 at $1.62 billion. Non-GAAP earnings were $88 million or $0.86 per share for fiscal 2016, an increase of 23% and 37% respectively from fiscal 2015. Non-GAAP earnings exclude $109 million of expense, net of tax, or $1.07 per share from non-cash stock-based compensation, acquired intangibles amortization and other items. Fiscal 2016 revenue and non-GAAP gross profit for our reportable segments were as follows. Lighting Products revenue was down 2% to $889 million, but gross profit grew 3% to $242 million for 27.2% gross margin, which is 120 basis point increase year-over-year. Commercial lighting revenue grew year-over-year but was more than offset by our forecasted decrease in consumer lighting as we shifted our product focus to premium bulbs. Gross margin improved year-over-year due primarily to factory cost reductions. LED products revenue increased 1% to $611 million and gross profit grew 11% to $212 million for a 34.8% gross margin which is a 310 basis point increase from fiscal 2015. Excluding upfront license fees of $8 million in the year, LED revenue was flat year-over-year while gross margin improved as we successfully restructured the business while navigating a challenging…

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thanks Mike. As we start fiscal 2017, we are focused on the company transition to Cree 3.0 and building the more valuable LED lighting Technology Company. We project the markets for commercial LED lighting products will expand in fiscal 2017 and provide a good environment to grow our lighting business. We target that our consumer LED bulbs and LED components businesses will be in a similar revenue range over the next year as these markets are expected to remain highly competitive. We are focussed on the following goals for fiscal 2017. First, we are working to complete the sale of Wolfspeed to Infineon. We are going through the process to get the necessary government approvals or our team is engaged in various transition planning matters. We currently target closing the transaction by the end of calendar 2016, but recognize that the approval process can by unpredictable. In the interim, our Wolfspeed team remains focused on running the business to drive new design wins in both Power and RF applications while we continue to develop the technology and ramp up new production processes. Second, we are focused on driving top line growth for the new Cree with our Wolfspeed. Over the next year we target growing core commercial lighting revenue from current levels in line with the market and potentially adding to that growth to product line expansion and some incremental lighting M&A in calendar 2017. The fundamentals in commercial lighting have clearly improved over the last several months and we saw a nice sales rebound last quarter. The base distribution business improved in Q4 and continues to look solid in Q1, but we are still working to rebuild the agent-driven U.S. project pipeline which is running behind Q4 level. The sales cycle for our lighting project is two to three…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Hank Elder with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hank Elder

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Hey guys thanks for taking the questions. I’m on for Brian Lee. Can you guys elaborate on what the inline with the market in terms of commercial lighting growth means; I mean what are your expectations?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Hank we don’t have a specific number I think, what we are basically trying to break out for you is how to think about how we plan to grow the lighting business. So if you think about our kind of base lighting business we would expect it to grow with the market. The reality is that Cree plus all the other major suppliers are now mostly LED. So that would grow with the market. Then in addition to that, as we open new applications, so if we can expand into market segments we don’t serve today, we think there is an incremental growth opportunity on top of that and then obviously M&A would give us some upside beyond that. So that’s kind of how we think about the pieces but no specific target for you.

Hank Elder

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Okay. And I think with Wolfspeed and that transaction you had mentioned the CapEx and the investment that you have made or were making, can you just give us a sense of what that was over the last 12 months so we can maybe get a sense for what the go-forward CapEx needs in the business are?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Well, I think Mike broke out what the CapEx needs are going forward. Mike, can you repeat that again.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes, for the LED and lighting business targeting about $55 million in FY 2017 and then with the piece that Wolfspeed will be on board thinking that that will close by the end of Calendar 2016 roughly $20 million plus or minus for them.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vishal Shah with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Vishal Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to better understand the M&A option you mentioned. You said $100 million of free cash flow. How much do you think you will be realize looking to spend on M&A and versus how much would be towards buyback and other activities?

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Vishal, I think the way to think about it is our primary focus is to grow the business, so I think we will be looking at really M&A as the first option, but we'll continue to evaluate buyback and where that makes sense we'll do that. Obviously, in the near term Wolfspeed closes, I think we'll take one approach and then assuming Wolfspeed closes on as expected by the end of the year, that will obviously give us quite a bit flexibility in our balance sheet to really be able to pursue both of those in parallel.

Vishal Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

That's helpful. And then can you talk about the linearity of the revenue, some of the seasonality assumptions that you should be making versus some of the impact you had from the slowdown in the commercial lighting business. Should we assume normal seasonality in the business in the calendar Q1 and maybe a much more backend loaded year as sort of think about the next couple of year or quarters? Thank you.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes. What I would say it’s a little tough to put seasonality on the business, because really the major factor that's affecting commercial lighting is just working to rebuild the project pipeline from the disruptions we caused in our fiscal Q3. And so, knowing that that's about a two to three quarter phenomenon, we're kind of in the middle of that. So a nice rebound in Q4, little softer in Q1. But I think over those two to three quarters we should start to get this back to a normalized rate and that combined with the new products will then kind of set the bar going forward as far as what that means in terms of seasonality. It's going to be a little hard to give you that because I think getting the new project pipeline as that comes back that's going to have a bigger effect on the business over the next few quarters than any seasonality. There obviously will be some, but I think the bigger factor is project pipeline and that's we're focused on, because that's what we can control.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Thomas Sepenzis with Northland Securities. Your line is open.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Northland Securities. Your line is open

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. I'm sorry if I miss the upfront licensing revenue during the June quarter. Did you quantify that?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Northland Securities. Your line is open

Yes. Tom, we don't break it out specifically, but if you think about from Q3 to Q4 the LED revenue went up about 6%, so roughly about half of that was license related and half of that was the business itself growing. So that gives you kind of a rough number about how much it was.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Northland Securities. Your line is open

Thank you. And then, just on the last comment you made, so with the commercial business you expect that over the next two or three quarters that could get back to a run rate similar to what we were seeing in early 2015? Did I hear that right?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Northland Securities. Your line is open

I think what you should expect is, we'll rebuild the project pipeline. I'm not sure I'm trying to put any specific target out there. I think I'm trying to layout the pieces of how we'll rebuild that momentum and I think it's going to be a function of getting the core business growing, but also what is the rate of success on the new products. So obviously we've released a lot of new products and so how fast those get designed in and what their success in the market is going to affect that number both directions. And so, I think we're cautiously optimistic that if we get that customer service fundamentals right and keep the new products coming, we can continue to have some success but also recognize that we got to work through this two to three quarter period where we got to rebuild that pipeline.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Edwin Mok with Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Great. Thanks for taking my question. So, Chuck, I guess, the follow-up question to your last comment there. In terms of all the new products you guys made announcement, any thoughts around where you [indiscernible] adoption there, are you guys taking any additional steps to drive adoption or drive revenue uptick, and if you can remind us, I think as both of you guys talk about two to three quarters before new products start to really contribute meaningful revenue. Is that still kind of time frame we should expect those to be more material for you guys?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Yes. Edvin, think about it. That two to three quarter phenomenon is about how long it takes from when you get the channel to start working on a project to when you can convert it into revenue whether that's the base business or that's a new product. So it’s kind of the same phenomenon in terms of timeline, obviously there are some variability. So with the nine new products, if there's a split between platforms and major upgrades they're all going to be kind of in a similar time frame, I'm sure we'll have some short term success, but it will take two, three quarters to be really kind of see what that is. And remember some of those are really significant upgrades to our business we're already in. so they're going to have people focused on those applications. And in some cases with like an HXB high bay or the LN4 linear, those are really putting us in new markets that we haven't been in before. So, I think the timeline is about right, it’s probably little shorter for things in market we're already in, a little longer for new market, but that's the right sensitivity.

Edwin Mok

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Great. Thanks for clarifying that. And then, I guess a question on cash, you guys talk about potential acquisition as a way to drive growth in your business. Anyway you can give us somewhat your thinking about it. Are you looking at a certain hurdle rate or specific technology I think you talk about controls or integration or IoT as one direction you're looking at? Any color you can kind of give us to let us think about the M&A opportunity there? And in terms of also the pipeline, are you guys looking to a pipeline or funnel of M&A opportunities?

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Yes. I'll pick those kind of in reverse. So we have a small team that is working to build the pipeline to look at projects, but we're early. Really our focus right now over the next four, five months is to really need to get Wolfspeed closed. That's the short term priority. But there is a team working to kind of build the portfolio of options and ideas that might make sense for us, but early stage is there. What kinds of things are we interested in? Think about it as really wanting to access more customers more customers and more applications. And so I think today we're pretty successful in certain market segments, but I think there is other segments that for example, we just introduced the product for an industrial high bay. We weren't in that market before. So, are there products that really let us access complementary markets that are good for our overall portfolio and really help us strengthen the channels ability to win in business in the marketplace, but again, any more specific than that would be premature.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Krish Sankar with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I had couple of them. One, I just want to clarify. Did you guys say sequentially for September quarter the lighting products revenue would be down 5% to 10% and LED would be down more than 10%. And if that is the case, looks like Wolfspeed is up almost close to 50% sequentially. What's driving that? And the second one is, thanks for the breakdown on the CapEx between Wolfspeed and the continuing operations, wondering if you have a breakdown on the OpEx side and what – how to model taxes without Wolfspeed? Thank you.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. So let me get to the first one. So, our guidance was as follows. We would target that the commercial lighting business would be down 5% to 10% sequentially. What we also said is that LED would be in a similar range if you exclude the benefit of the license revenue. So if you take that, I think you'll get to a different number than what we were just saying. But I think to clarify those comments its really – commercial lighting is down, LED a similar range, we take out licensing. As far as a breakdown of OpEx between continued and discontinued operations, I don't believe we've broken that out any further, but I'll Mike if you want to add any color to that or not.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. You'll get a picture of that if you look at our press release we put pro forma information at the back of the press release. And you'll see OpEx for continuing operations will be similar to what it was in Q4.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Thank you.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time, I'd like to – I'm sorry, we do have a question from line of Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Thanks so much. Can you guys talk a little bit about the cycle time and the commercial lighting business? Where you're seeing in terms sell-through? Is that picking up or slowing down or how can we think about that?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Colin, I don't know, that it’s really – this sell-through rate in commercial lighting is really function of win a project. You bid a project, you win a project, you ship a project. And that's that two to three quarter phenomenon. I haven't really seen that change significantly over the last couple of years. So I'd say that's relatively similar to what it's been.

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay. And then, just in terms of financing options for some of those bigger products, are you seeing lower cost of capital or kind of persistently low debt rates starting to impact pricing at all in the market?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

It's interesting. An LED project is relatively compared to small capital it happens relatively fast payback, I think if most people do the math, you're looking at on in consideration of what other projects are, its relatively small capital with payback two to three years. What we found in some of the applications that especially in a lot of them are commercial application, when someone realizes how quick the payback is financing's rarely a path they need to make the project. Now that being said, there is some financing that's used on the bigger, municipal [ph] type projects, but that would be a more limited part of the business and I haven't seen a significant change in that side of the market one way or another.

Colin Rusch

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks so much, guys.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Vishal Shah with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Vishal Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes. Hi, Chuck. I know you mentioned the lighting was an expansion in fiscal 2017, can you just maybe provide some more color on how we should think about that. Can we assume some of the sort of growth – our improvement in margins as you saw in 2016 or what are some of the drivers there? Thank you.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yes, Vishal, no specific target, but the way to think about it is, so we've already has seen some of the benefits. We know that for example, we've made some significant gains in our factory cost levels that as we're able to grow the revenue we should get some incremental margin from using a low cost factory and loading it. So that would be one example. I think there's also a number of activities around getting lower cot of production, so some cases that supply chain relative, some cases that's designing cost reductions into the product. And then third is on some of the newer products, we're actually starting to access some applications that should give us some incremental leverage, because we're frankly able to speak more the value for ourselves, because these products address a higher value application. It's really a combination of those three pieces. I don't want to give a specific target, but that's why we believe we can make incremental projects from here also next years.

Vishal Shah

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Osborne with Cowen & Company. Your line is open.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Thanks for squeezing me in. Just had a couple of questions. One is on the SmartCast opportunity, Chuck, I was wondering if you feel you have the breadth of products to really push now or do you need to expand the M&A and then kind of follow that up with broader reach of SmartCast. I guess what's the feedback you're getting from your agents and channel in terms of the ability to sell the IoT Solution with the new products that you've introduced as well as some of the legacy ones?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Yes. So, I think in breadth of product we definitely want to expand the breadth of product. But I'd say, Jeff, its less about having to acquire technology and more about making SmartCast available on a much wider range of the Cree platform. So, SmartCast is really as a technology, today it’s in a limited number of our down light and our troffers, but over the next year you'll see that expanding to a wider range of those product. So it’s really about taking that core technology, making it available across the product line, while there is always a potential that we were looking for and look at M&A as a way to access additional smart technology. I think we're pretty comfortable about what we're doing internally and rolling that out across the business. Of course that will take time and it really gets into your second question, which is what about the ability to sell it? And what I would say is, there are some sophisticated customers that are able to move very quickly, we launched SmartCast PoE and had a number of projects right away. That's because these customers are already looking for IoT based solution. I would say the generic lighting customer is going to be a little slower. They would normally differ to control plus lighting, not some integrated solution. And I think it will take time to develop that, and so I think as our product line rolls out, you'll see us do some things to maybe add some more controls like feature to make it more applicable to conventional channels while at the same time continuing to do innovative things like SmartCast PoE that access really a very sophisticated customer that such a trying to get the IoT today.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

That makes sense. If I could follow-up with one more if you don't mind. Just on the consumer bulb, obviously look forward to the introduction, sounds like in September. One, just kind of a two part question on it, one or maybe actually three part one, if you could talk about what is different with bulb, hopefully it’s a better margin profile than what you had in the past? Question two is I think in the past the hypothesis of the bulb in general was to reinvest the gross profit dollars that you're receiving with the bulb into branding the C&I opportunity. I don't know if that's still relevant just given that kind of focus that you have on the high end of the market and reduced shelf space that you have in the retail channel. But then also the third-part is there any significant OpEx increase that you would have in conjunction with this bulb launch. Again more in the December quarter, I know...

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Your line is open

Jeff you get cut off, but I think I can still answer your question. So, the basic idea of the next gen bulb is better light at a better value. And so, what does that mean? We think we can come with a bulb that even has better features than our customers had in the past and frankly lower the price point also being a premium bulb in the market. So, that's the idea. You'll see some additional promotional activity around that when we launch it. What's the strategy? It still is a brand building strategy that's absolutely one of the thinks. But I think what you'll see as we go forward to next year while there will be some incremental promotion. We believe that with this new bulb that even where we are today that what has been a bit of a headwind as we work through really the product transition, we'll get some small incremental tailwind. But there is – I generally speaking it is mostly about investing those profits to build the brands. I think what you'll see with the new bulb is we'll be able to do more of that we'll have frankly the new product will enable that. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Krish Sankar with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Hi. Thanks for the follow-up. I had two. One was Chuck or Mike. Can you just give us how to look at tax rate with and without Wolfspeed and can you give any color on how much of your sales was to China in June quarter?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. So, let me give a shot. We don't breakout the sales to China. If you look at the company overall because if you think about the product mix, it hasn't changed very much between the three pieces, so I'd say it's relatively similar to the previous quarter, if you just look at relative revenue. That being said, since lighting grew the most shrank with small percentage, right. But it’s not changing dramatically within each of the businesses. As far as any commentary on tax rate, I'll let Mike to comment on that.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Yes. For FY 2017 kind of think about total company's non-GAAP tax rate been in the 28% plus or minus range with the continuing ops, meaning the LED and the lighting piece of it be in less than half of that and then Wolfspeed on the discount side being roughly 34% plus or minus.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Got it. Thank you, guys. Very, very helpful. Thank you.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Chin with UBS. Your line is open.

Steven Chin

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. We're starting to hear about larger MLP [ph] sales to LED chip companies. Does your FY 2017 outlook for LED sales incorporate some risk of oversupply or pricing pressure?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

Steven, what I would tell you is we assume that the LED market has been in oversupply and will continue to be there. And so the words I'd like to use is we'll remain highly competitive. I think that I saw some similar reports that you're seeing, But you have to remember, there's people retiring a lot of old capacity at the same time or at least that's been the discussion. So I think what you're getting is that for those that are going to stay in the game, there will have to be some reinvestment even to stay in the game at lower capacity levels.

Steven Chin

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

All right. Thank you. And if I could get a follow-up on the Wolfspeed, trying to look at EPS going forward. Can you give us an idea of how much stock-based compensation is going to be removed with Wolfspeed?

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open

There'll some, but I don't have a specific breakout for you at this time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Daniel Baksht with Pacific Crest Securities. Your line is open.

Daniel Baksht

Analyst · Pacific Crest Securities. Your line is open

Yes, hi. Thank you very much. Just a couple of questions. First, you mentioned smart lighting is a key to longer term growth. Just curious if smart lighting is a meaningful contributor to revenue right now?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Pacific Crest Securities. Your line is open

Obviously it’s a small percentage of the total, so I'd say, its relatively modest and the reason I talk about it as more important in the mid to longer term. Today what we're really talking about a smart lighting that allows you to optimize the lighting environment. When you start to think about smart lighting which are really platforms for not only lights, but sensing and then some building analytic for environment analytic. We're really talking about the system that start to add value of the fundamentally different level than just the lights. And so, that's not going to happen overnight, but I think it’s really creates an interesting opportunity for all the lightening companies that we can participate – we can add value by more than just delivering great lights.

Daniel Baksht

Analyst · Pacific Crest Securities. Your line is open

Great. Just a follow-up. In terms of the decline of 5% to 10% in commercial lighting sequentially, could you provide a little bit of color in terms of ASP and units that you're looking at?

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Pacific Crest Securities. Your line is open

Yes. I don't know that there's any significant ASP or unit trend. It’s really a quantity of project trend. So I would think of that as some dynamic as far as big shift one way or another. It just – when we have the disruption back in our fiscal Q3 we really created a project pipeline gap and it will take us two three quarters to rebuild that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions. So I'd like to turn the call back to Mike McDevitt for closing remarks.

Michael McDevitt

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thank you for your time today. We appreciate your interest and support, and look forward to reporting our first quarter results on October 18. Goodnight.

Charles Swoboda

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program. And you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.