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Wyndham Hotels & Resorts, Inc. (WH)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 29, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Wyndham Hotels & Resorts Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode and the floor will be opened for your questions following the presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Matt Capuzzi, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Matt Capuzzi

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. With me today are Geoff Ballotti, our CEO and Michele Allen, our CFO. Before we get started, I want to remind you that our remarks today will contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risk factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied. These risk factors are discussed in detail in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and any subsequent reports filed with the SEC. We will also be referring to a number of non-GAAP measures. Corresponding GAAP measures and a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to GAAP metrics are provided on our earnings release, which is available on our Investor Relations website at investor.wyndhamhotels.com. To the extent that our non-GAAP measures discussed in future impact, we are unable to provide the comparable GAAP metric. In addition last evening, we posted an investor presentation containing supplemental information on our Investor Relations website. We may continue to provide supplemental information on our website in the future. Accordingly, we encourage investors to monitor our website in addition to our press releases, filings submitted with the SEC and any public conference calls or webcasts. With that, I will turn the call over to Geoff.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Matt and thanks everyone for joining our third quarter call. In the face of continued industry uncertainty, Wyndham generated $101 million of adjusted EBITDA and $102 million of adjusted free cash flow during the third quarter due to the stability of our leisure-oriented drive to franchise business. Over 99% of our domestic hotels remain open and approximately 80% of our franchisees are not running at occupancy levels above 30%. We have already received payment on over 70% of the fee deferrals we provided to our franchisees for the months of March, April and May and we continue to see our overall cash collections tracking within 10% of prior year levels. Nevertheless, we know that some small business owners are struggling and maybe forced to close without more government support, which is why we along with the rest of our industry, are doing everything we possibly can to advocate at both the state and federal levels. Our brands can collectively gain more than 300 basis points of market share domestically during the quarter. This improvement was driven by rising demand and drive-to leisure travel during the weekends, which improved 26 percentage points compared to the second quarter, combined with a robust return of our everyday business traveler during the weekdays, which increased 19 points compared to the second quarter. Approximately, 70% of our bookings at our hotels are leisure-oriented with the other 30% coming from business travel. Our everyday business traveler is a steady and reliable segment of business travel that has been far less disrupted by the pandemic. As the backbone of America’s workforce, our everyday business travelers have continued to travel and seek a safe and comfortable stay after a workday on the road. Two-thirds of our business bookings come from the infrastructure industries, including construction crews, utility…

Michele Allen

Management

Thanks, Geoff. Good morning, everyone. I will begin my remarks today with a detailed review of our third quarter results. I will then review our balance sheet and cash flows and provide our best view of 2020 projections. As Geoff mentioned, in the face of continued industry headwinds, we generated $337 million of revenue, $101 million of adjusted EBITDA, and $102 million of adjusted free cash flow. Our performance was driven by the return of leisure demands, our everyday business travelers, the drive-to nature of our portfolio, and our ability to tightly manage costs. Third quarter revenues, excluding cost reimbursement revenues decreased $144 million or 36%, primarily reflecting a 38% decline in global RevPAR. Adjusted EBITDA declined $89 million from $190 million to $101 million in the third quarter, reflecting the revenue changes partially offset by a 33% reduction in cost. Adjusted diluted earnings per share, was $0.36. Comparable RevPAR, which is in constant currency and excludes hotels temporarily closed due to COVID-19, declined 35% on a global basis in the third quarter, including declines of 32% in the U.S. and 43% internationally. In the U.S., our select service brands saw RevPAR declines of 30%, with two-thirds coming from occupancy and one-third coming from ADR. Occupancy peaked at 50% in July, as the summer travel season was in full swing and consistent with typical seasonality pulled back slightly to 49% in August and 47% in September. These occupancy levels translate to year-over-year reductions of 25% in July, 21% in August, and 17% in September, continuing the sequential improving trends we have experienced since our April lows. And through the week ending October 17, month-to-date occupancy is running at 50%. ADR has also been performing well in the select service space. Since the trough we experienced in mid-April, ADR for our…

Operator

Operator

We will take today’s first question from Joe Greff with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Joe Greff

Analyst

Good morning, everybody. Thank you. Geoff, I would like to start off by just talking about our conversion date. I think you all have a sense in this kind of environment, companies like Wyndham has an opportunity with conversions and it’s nice to see that grow sequentially with about 14,000 rooms quarter-over-quarter. Can you give us a sense of what geographies, what brands? Can you give us some more specificity on maybe the drivers of that increase, how much of it is pull from your development guys or push for third-party owners that are dealing with stress and looking to improve and share of its operations? And then when would you suspect the conversion opportunities or convergence growth in the pipeline might peak or plateau and maybe understanding the relationship between if your segments are at breakeven occupancies and thereby have less stress than others, does your conversion opportunity in your target segments, does that peak before maybe others in the industry? Thank you.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Joe. And it’s the million dollar question that’s out there. We were very pleased with our conversion signings picking up our executions sequentially were up 30% domestically and 60% internationally for conversions. But in terms of when it’s going to peak or plateau there is a number of things that I think need to happen and I think it’s going to be a ways of ways as we work through an extended forbearance and the hope from so many of our franchisees looking for more stimulus and just sort of lack of deal flow that’s out there. I could tell you this having been out there on the road traveling with our franchisees this quarter that we are having conversations with, with developers that we have never been able to have before. I mean, there are so many independent developers that are out there that are realizing that a brand could provide RevPAR premiums and lower distribution costs and operating cost savings, but they are just not ready to make that decision. In terms of the signings on conversions in terms of where we saw them domestically, they were really from a geographical standpoint strong in Georgia and Arizona and Florida. In Texas, there was a great pickup in signings. In terms of our brands, there was great interest in the economy space in Travelodge and also in our Baymont from a conversion or even La Quinta people willing to put in key money. But I think it’s going to be a ways away until it’s going to peak or plateau and whether that’s going to happen in the fourth quarter of this year or the first and second quarter is up for anybody’s guess.

Joe Greff

Analyst

Great. That’s helpful, Geoff. And Michele, I was hoping maybe you can give us not so much for this year or for the fourth quarter, but just as we kind of think about next year, we kind of think about the proximate conversion of EBITDA and it’s a free cash flow, obviously, it was very favorable, more favorable than what we have modeled in the 3Q and you had a sort of nice working capital contribution from that. How do you think about that going forward? And maybe including in that, how to think about working capital?

Michele Allen

Management

Good morning, Joe. I think as we move into 2021, obviously, we are working through the budget cycle right now. So we are not prepared to discuss in detail, I would expect to see stronger free cash flow conversion from adjusted EBITDA for the full year. I don’t think that Q3 levels are going to be, the Q3 2020 levels would be representative of full year 2021 at these lower revenue numbers converting at 60% is probably not realistic. However, that still remains our longer term target. And as we approach 2019 levels, 2019 demand levels, that’s where that’s where we should – we would look to be.

Joe Greff

Analyst

Okay. Thank you guys.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Joe.

Michele Allen

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Dany Asad with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Dany Asad

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everybody. I just wanted to follow-up on Joe’s question from earlier, Jeff, you gave really good color on the puts and takes for 2021 when it comes to unit growth, but if we boil it all down, are you comfortable giving us maybe like a best guess for how 2021 unit growth could shape up?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Dany for the question. We are not providing unit growth guidance, but we are absolutely committed to the 2% to 4% net room growth that we were delivering pre-COVID. And I think it’s excluding the proactive removals of the low royalty non-compliant national license agreements, which we were delighted to exit along with the unprofitable management guarantee rooms. Net room growth would have been flat domestically and it would have been up 4% internationally. And we are certainly committed to that 2% to 4% and moving that over time to 3% to 5%. But again, I think as I said to Joe, a number of things have to happen aside from what I mentioned on forbearance and stimulus. Our deal teams need to be allowed to travel again. They can’t be constrained again and we are certainly concerned in terms of our European teams being able to get out and about right now. And I think again the bid/ask need to narrow on hotels that are going to transact. There is so much significant cash on the sidelines both with owners and with funds, but there is not yet a lot of transaction. But there certainly is a lot of opportunity with the conversations we are having, with the very strong sequential growth in our opens. I mean, we opened sequentially 20% more rooms domestically and 100% more rooms, internationally and really strong growth in our pipeline overseas. And again, good growth in regions year-on-year like Southeast Asia and the Pacific Rim. So we are not providing guidance on this call, but we are committed to getting back to that 2% to 4%.

Dany Asad

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Understood. And maybe if I could just sneak one in on China, I mean, it was your best performing region, but your domestic numbers weren’t actually that far off from what you put up in China. But we don’t really have as much granularity over there as we do domestically. So, maybe can we just help us parse out what that performance was for the quarter either by geographies or segments?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Sure.

Dany Asad

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

And how can we apply that to your recovery?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

You are spot on. In terms of – look we were thrilled with the performance in China, but it is a much lower average daily rate. When you look at the 1,400 hotels that we have, over there less than 20% are in Tier 1 cities and that 80% are in other satellite cities to the Tier 1 or more importantly Tiers 2 and 3 and 4, which are much lower and we run an economy system over there. I mean, over 70% of our 1,400 hotels are economy and it was to your point very similar, but actually better than here in the United States. If you think of occupancy in China, for us, it was down 18 points in August, it improved to down 8 points in September and improved a little bit in October as we have been seeing and it was great to see last week’s economy occupancy again improve. And I think there is a lot of reasons for that, consumer confidence is up and our teams are out there and they are traveling and we are seeing really strong production from them on both the openings in the pipeline.

Dany Asad

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

That’s it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Katz

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Good morning, David.

David Katz

Analyst

Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to go back to La Quinta and delve just a little bit deeper. You have made some general commentary about it and some high level metrics, but what else can you share with us about the progress of that brand both in terms of driving unit growth in terms of driving RevPAR returns on that investment to the degree that you can and what your vision for it is near-term, long-term?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Sure. Thanks, David. It is, as we said in our prepared remarks, continues to be throughout this year, our strongest performing brand. Our RevPAR index just continues to grow. It was up again, another 700, 800 basis points overall and continues to run the highest occupancy in the highest 80 hours in its segment. In terms of being able to grow it again, when we began, from a franchise standpoint, we have seen great growth. We have executed 103 new deals since acquisition. The net unit growth since acquisition is running at 8% and that the strongest as we have talked about before measure is franchisee engagement and our attention rate with our owners, with our La Quinta owners who right now are, I would say, happy with the RevPAR index gains that they are seeing. Our franchise retention rate for the last 12 months still exceeds 98%, which is at the top of our performance for all of our brands, I mean, we are really happy with what we are seeing in terms of improved retention in our economy in mid-scale, but nobody is running higher than the 98% retention rate. Our pipeline, we continue to see deals. Our pipeline increased 3% sequentially and we are seeing growth internationally, we are seeing growth. And that’s really I guess our vision is for our teams to continue to be able to execute deals across Latin America as they are doing in Europe, Africa, in the Middle East is as we have been seeing and now we are beginning to see signings in an Asia-Pacific. So, we are really pleased with the performance of the brand. I would say, Michele, from an ROI standpoint, we are feeling good about how we are doing and exceeding everything that we set out to do on the synergy side.

Michele Allen

Management

Yes, we actually are – we have achieved right around the high-end of our initial synergies, actually, our revised synergies estimate, which was picking up, taken up from our initial estimate and ROI is a little difficult to measure right now just because of the COVID impact. So, we would have to kind of kick that down the road, David, a little bit.

David Katz

Analyst

Understood. And I know you have touched on this a little bit in the opening remarks, but thinking ahead a couple of quarters as we get into early next year, the concern around franchisee financial health. As you start to kind of normalize those interactions, what kind of provisions or what discussions you are having in anticipation of that kind of distress starting to play a role?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Well, I would say, our franchisees overall, David, have been really pleased with the support that we have been providing them first on the deferred fees level with our property improvement flexibility, with some of the brand standard changes that we have made and certain fixed fees, which we have – which were brought down. I think, moving forward what our franchisees are most interested in is and what we are spending the most time on is trying to get them more support on the federal level. I mean, it is the biggest hope is that they will have a second draw of PPP. I am optimistic that, that still could be done before the end of the year. I, along with the rest of the HLA officers are hoping that there is a chance to do a standalone bill attached to the CR when Congress comes back. And before it has to be signed in, in December and I think that along with where their occupancies are running right now would be the biggest thing in terms of support that they could have formed and certainly we could hope for it.

David Katz

Analyst

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Be well, everyone.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, David.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is from Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Anthony Powell

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I had a question on the everyday business travel as we talked about earlier in the prepared remarks, just a higher or lower kind of rate business than your leisure and over time and you are trying to increase your mix of this everyday kind of business travel beyond 27%, are you happy with the current level?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Yes, it’s absolutely a slightly higher rate, Anthony and we are very happy and would love to see it increase. I mean, it is what as we believe, as we have talked on last call and this call really differentiated us from – and our brands from their ability to continue to grow share. We think we are going to continue to see that every business traveler demand increase throughout the fourth quarter and well into next year. I mean, we talked about the infrastructure business that was down 40% in Q2, improving to down 20% in Q3 and it is picking up, I think most of the network to cable the utility crews are out there, they are traveling in full force. Residential and commercial construction is back in a much bigger way, was in the third quarter than it was in the second and I think it will continue. And there are large infrastructure projects that are just starting. Anecdotally, I was on the phone yesterday with one of our Howard Johnson owners, who was telling me about the SK Battery project in Georgia. I did not know that South Korea battery was building a 2 million square foot plant and it’s begun and his hotel is full and he is running full every night with construction workers that are driving in from Texas and Alabama and Louisiana. Those are the boots on the bed that we talk about on the infrastructure side. On the logistic side that other big piece that we talked about in our prepared remarks, that’s certainly benefiting from a pickup in manufacturing. I think all you got to do is look at the rising ISM manufacturing index and it supports that from an inventory handling and sortation standpoint. Again, I think there will be more deliveries this fourth quarter than there have ever been and the rising PMI data supports certainly that that business is picking up. But transportation is back, trucking is back, rail is back and just another anecdotal standpoint, talking to Carolyn, it’s one of our – who leads our global sales force, she was telling me that one of our big logistic accounts is a leading data collection service company and they are out there partnering with hospitals to streamline inventory supply chains. Their business increased across our hotels, of our hotels 6x versus the second quarter. But more importantly, when I pressed around on it, it’s up 35% year-over-year. So, our job to your question is for our national sales teams, our global sales teams to be out there finding more of these types of accounts and growing that share. And right now, it’s what’s again been really helping us differentiate our RevPAR index growth.

Michele Allen

Management

And I will just add to that, Geoff, that – and I would just add to that really quickly, the investments that we are making in the business today, specifically Wyndham business, which is a suite of technology tools and the Wyndham direct tool is really there to increase that set capture a higher degree of that segment spend.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

That’s a great point.

Anthony Powell

Analyst

Thanks. And in terms of the RevPAR commentary for the year, down 40%, are you baking in any kind of softening from the increased COVID cases we are seeing in the U.S., Europe and other geographies in that number?

Michele Allen

Management

Our fourth quarter estimate right now is about 30% to 35% in the U.S. and globally, really. And so we haven’t since seen a significant impact from the COVID spike, but I think Geoff, do you want to add anything to that?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

No, I mean, it’s a great question. It’s a question we are all worried about. Our franchisees are worried about, Anthony. It’s certainly a concern and we saw rising caseloads earlier summer and we were really worried about them in post July 4, what happened in California and Florida, but what happened, July was better than June, it was down 13 points. This is just domestically and then September improved to down 11 points. And as we showed in our investor deck that we sent out last night, October is running down 9 points. So, we certainly were looking at it both in the top states per capita, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin or by the number of cases, Texas, Illinois, California, Florida and we are not yet seeing any change, BUT it’s certainly of concern and certainly something that our teams are watching.

Anthony Powell

Analyst

Alright. Thank you.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Anthony.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is from Stephen Grambling with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

Hey, thanks. I guess on free cash flow, how are you thinking about the guardrails for offering support to existing owners and or even key money or new owners, as look at both bolster the base and drive that unit growth, and perhaps any color you can provide specifically on how to think about the free cash flow impact from these efforts?

Michele Allen

Management

Hi, Stephen. As we look forward to 2021 and beyond we are expecting that there will be a good amount of opportunities coming our way Geoff has talked about that on the last couple of quarters on the calls for the last couple of quarters and I could conceivably see us doubling our development advance spend from where we currently are, which is approximately $20 million this year. I think there could be further opportunity beyond that as we move past 2021. But that’s my best guess for 2021. At this point, those dollars would be spent not just to attract new properties into the system, which obviously is a high priority for us but also they also could be spent to help retain certain properties in our system as well.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

And then this is a quick follow-up on that, do you anticipate it’s going to be centered on any specific brands chain scales or meetings?

Michele Allen

Management

I think there is a probability a high probability that you could see it centered around the some of our new construction brands Microtel, and La Quinta, I think there is also a probability you could see it, more centered in the U.S. and in some of the higher RevPAR markets, so we can drive higher ROIs for us and for our hotel owners.

Stephen Grambling

Analyst

Hey, that’s helpful. Thanks so much I will jump back in queue.

Michele Allen

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Patrick Scholes with Truist. Please go ahead.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Hi, good morning, everyone. Geoff and Michele, you have talked about in the past, that 40% is the occupancy level rule of thumb where fees can be paid, has that changed at all of late from where you were say in 2Q?

Michele Allen

Management

Hi, Patrick. The breakeven level that we look at for our franchisees is about 30% occupancy and then based upon how they are capitalized it could be sometimes a 40%. So at an LTV of 70%, which is on average, where our franchisees are leveraged or capitalized, we expect the majority of them will be able to breakeven in the low 30s and that has not changed. Our cash flow at Wyndham Hotels is typically breaking even at the 40%.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Okay, thank you. My next question – and this is a difficult one to answer very high level, how quickly do you think it will take for your leisure business to get back to 2019 level? Certainly some of the industry prognosticators out there are saying that, that could actually happen by the back half of 2021, I would like to hear your thoughts on that?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Yes, I mean, again, we are not providing guidance, Patrick. But I guess there is a couple of things that we certainly look at and we are encouraged by, I mean, consumer demand is increasing. That the drive-to – we can get away in the short breaks are increasing. We talked last call about and we something we continue to look at. And one of the things we are really thrilled with this new Amperity customer database that we have is the ability to pull how our guests are traveling and we saw a 20% increase in our guests willing to drive over 400 miles and that was encouraging to see. I think remote work and remote learning, which we certainly were benefiting from is certainly going to continue throughout the fourth quarter and throughout most of next year. And it’s what really drove. We look at September occupancies, I mean we ran over 50% in the national parks, over 50% along the beaches, nearly 60% in the mountain states. And I think we are going to see demand shift to the Carolinas that we are seeing that now in Myrtle Beach to Florida. We are seeing that now in the Panhandle and to the Arizonans and Californians. But there are two measures that we also look at, advanced bookings are increasing. So that’s encouraging. Same day bookings are coming down and multi-night bookings are increasing. And something else that we are really pleased to see is that our average length of stay, are increasing. It went up 3% in July. It was up 7% and by the end of September. And that type of increased consumer demand is people feel safer and are willing to travel will certainly continue to support us through what we are all concerned about right now with the recent COVID spikes.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much for the color.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Thanks, Patrick.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Hi, great. Thanks. Now, just only on that last question, could you actually describe kind of who these leisure customers are, what’s driving them, what’s motivating them? And initially how we think about modeling like recovery of leisure travel? And then I have a follow-up. Thanks.

Michele Allen

Management

Yes, sure. Hi, hi, Ian. They are about a third of our leisure customers are coming from short weekend getaway, so 4 days or less and then we have – then we have another third traveling for family visits and so they are going to visit mom or visit grandparents, for instance. And then we also another large category of our leisure spend, is to stop along a trip. So, you are headed to a destination and you are going to stay in one of our hotels for one night. So, those are the three largest categories. After those three groupings we have, the traditional 5 plus night leisure vacations.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Okay, great. And then as a follow-up on I guess a different topic is terminations, how are we modeling that as well, do we expect any further terminations going forward? Any color you could give there would be really helpful? Thanks.

Michele Allen

Management

Sure. I think it was actually, we had disclosed it on Slide 8 of our investor presentation. So, we do have some additional rooms coming out in the fourth quarter in connection with our previously announced termination, strategic termination strategy. And so that should be about 7,500 rooms in the fourth quarter and then there is about 2,000 that we identified for 2021. Outside of that, the scrub that we performed in the second quarter was very thorough. Of course, we are going to have franchisees that struggle through COVID and what comes next for them remains to be seen, but for good operators with a history of brand engagement, we are going to do everything we can to help them avoid failures.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Very great. Really appreciate this. Thank you very much.

Michele Allen

Management

Thank you, Ian.

Operator

Operator

Hey, we can take our last question from Michael Bellisario with Baird. Please go ahead.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Hey, good morning, Michael.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Just on the pipeline, I think last quarter, you gave some financing stats in terms of the new construction in what your estimate is of who has financing in place. Where does that stand today and then have you seen any changes domestically versus internationally over the last 90 days or so?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

No, we really haven’t. I would say we scrubbed it really hard last quarter and it’s in the investor deck, in terms of it’s pretty consistent to what we saw at the end of the second quarter, I would say that we have been pleased adding to the pipeline, all of the new construction rooms. I mean, we were – I think our teams were somewhat surprised to see the amount of interest in some of our new construction brands like our Microtel Moda or our La Quinta or our dual, we have now signed 40 Microtel Modas and there are developers out there that are looking for that to either repurpose or take advantage of this. So, we had a – we saw domestically in our pipeline, we increased 3% to 66,000 rooms, a big pickup of that of course was in the conversion rooms, but also in the new construction rooms. And then internationally, our pipeline grew 12% to prior year and there was great growth in Southeast Asia and again in China and there was a huge pickup in conversion rooms in China, but also a pickup in new construction rooms in China. It’s great to see new construction rooms begin to break ground again in both internationally and domestically. Our ground breaks of new construction in Q3 totaled 24 new construction rooms and 6 of those were in the USA.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Got it. And then just to be clear that the percentage of your pipeline, that’s new construction that has financing in place, that’s what you said as really no change?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

No change versus 2Q.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then just second question, I think you might have commented on it maybe little qualitatively at the beginning, but I wanted to ask differently on your signings in the quarter, can give us the breakdown of what was with an existing franchisee versus new franchisee signings and how that split maybe has trended over time or how you expect it to maybe change going forward?

Geoff Ballotti

Management

I would say more new signings than with existing franchisees. Michele, would you agree with that?

Michele Allen

Management

Yes, I would agree with that. And I think that’s something we can follow-up on and get more specific data points.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

But I don’t – I haven’t seen much of a change there.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And as it appears, we have no further questions. I will return the floor to Geoff Ballotti for closing remarks.

Geoff Ballotti

Management

Alright. Thanks very much, Keith and thanks everyone for your time today. We very much hope you will go out to the App Store and download and review our new mobile booking app on your iPhone or Android device. It is a one gorgeous looking booking app. Michele, Matt and I very much look forward to speaking with many of you in the weeks ahead and more importantly hopefully meeting with you face-to-face in the not too distant future. Take care, everybody and thanks again.

Operator

Operator

And this will conclude today’s program. Thanks for your participation. You may now just connect. Have a great day.