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The Wendy's Company (WEN)

Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Wendy's/Arby's Group first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to John Barker, Chief Communications Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

John Barker

Management

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. The agenda for today's conference call and our webcast will begin with remarks from our President and CEO, Roland Smith, who will discuss an overview of our first quarter results, an update on our strategies to drive performance in our brands, progress we're making on key profit drivers, and future growth for the company. Then our Chief Financial Officer, Steve Hare, will review financial results in greater detail. Roland will then wrap up the call with some final thoughts before we open up the line for questions. Our main focus on today's call will be to discuss the first quarter as well as our plans to grow the business profitability and generate stockholder value. I'd like to summarize for a minute what is included in our financial statements, which are attached to today's earnings release. We provided a full P&L with consolidated first quarter results. Results for the first quarter of 2008 reflect three months of pre-merger results for Triarc and therefore do not include results of Wendy's. You need to understand this difference, when looking at the quarterly comparison between 2009 and 2008, is not meaningful. The statements also include a summary of key balance sheet items and included is a table that shows for the first quarter of 2009 our EBITDA, a reconciliation of EBITDA to the reported net loss, and adjusted EBITDA, which excludes facilities reallocation, corporate restructuring, and integration costs. We also provided selected financial highlights for each brand, with same-store sales, revenues, four-wall restaurant margin percent and the total number of restaurants as of quarter end. We have provided summary pro forma results for the 2008 first quarter in our Form 10-Q that we filed this morning. This summary information should help analysts and investors better understand our operating performance. Please note that our earnings release as well as the financial statements and other historical investor information and our filings are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.wendysarbys.com. Now before we begin I'd like to refer you for just a minute to the safe harbor statement that is attached to this morning's release. Certain information that we may discuss today regarding future performance, such as financial goals, plans and development, is forward-looking. Various factors could affect the company's results and cause those results to differ materially from those expressed in our forward-looking statements. Some of those factors are set forth in the safe harbor statement that is attached to the news release. Also, some of the comments today will reference non-GAAP financial measures such as earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. Investors should review our reconciliations of non-GAAP terms to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure. Now let me turn the call over to Roland.

Roland C. Smith

Management

Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone, and thanks again for joining us. On our call today I plan to discuss an overview of our first quarter results, an update on our brand strategies, progress on our merger integration and key profit drivers, and finally, an update on our outlook for achieving our goals for EBITDA growth over the next three years. Let me start with first quarter highlights. We were pleased to deliver $80.3 million in adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter, which met our expectations. This driven by positive same-store sales and margin growth at the Wendy's brand and excellent cost controls throughout the company. Our ability to deliver good performance was encouraging considering that heavy discounting and couponing continued at most QSR chains. Wendy's produced positive North America systemwide same-store sales in the first quarter of 1% as we focused on our Value Trio of sandwiches at $0.99 and our Premium Fish. Arby's sales results improved significantly in March with the introduction of our premium Roastburger line of sandwiches. While Arby's quarterly sales results were disappointing, we continued to make progress on key initiatives to improve Arby's sales built on the introduction of new products, more effective advertising and new operation strategies, and we remain on track with our target of $100 million in restaurant margin improvement at Wendy's and $60 million in G&A savings by the end of 2011. We see meaningful EBITDA growth opportunities as we continue to execute our plans and we remain confident that we can deliver average annual EBITDA growth in the mid teens through 2011. Now I'd like to talk more about our Wendy's and Arby's brands. At Wendy's we produced positive North America same-store sales in the first quarter, up 0.3% at company restaurants and up 1.2% at franchise restaurants. Wendy's company…

Stephen E. Hare

Management

Thank you, Roland, and good morning. I will discuss a review of our key P&L items and brand highlights, a brief update on our balance sheet and capital structure, and our financial outlook. As a reminder and as John mentioned earlier, the first quarter of 2009 includes results for Wendy's and Arby's while the first quarter of 2008 only includes pre-merger Triarc results. That makes the quarterly P&L comparison not meaningful. Now let me review our first quarter highlights. As stated in the earnings release for the first quarter ended March 29, 2009, consolidated revenues were $864 million. Cost of sales was $676 million or 78.2% of sales. General and administrative expenses were 12.7% of total revenues or $109.9 million, including $3.7 million of integration costs. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter, which excludes integration-related costs, was $80.3 million. Net loss for the 2009 first quarter was $10.9 million. On a diluted per share basis the net loss was $0.02 in the first quarter of 2009 on roughly 470 million diluted shares. The earnings results include net pre-tax special expense items of approximately $26 million or $15 million after tax, including integration-related expenses, impairment, depreciation adjustments, asset write-offs and investment losses. While some of these special items, such as integration-related costs, will continue, we believe it is beneficial to identify these special items to assist in providing a meaningful perspective of the underlying operating performance of the company's restaurant business. Total interest expense of $22.1 million related to borrowing costs for Wendy's and Arby's, but does not fully reflect the impact of the interest rate increase under the amended credit agreement that was completed near the end of the first quarter. Our tax rate in the first quarter of 2009 was 30.6% and included an adjustment of $1.2 million for…

Roland C. Smith

Management

Thanks, Steve. We are pleased with the progress we continue to make at Wendy's and we're confident about our ability to revitalize this great brand. While January and February sales at Arby's were disappointing, we significantly improved in March with the Roastburger launch and we are optimistic that we can improve sales over the remainder of the year as we execute our brand strategy focused on new product innovation and a more effective value offering. And our key profit growth initiatives remain firmly on track. We believe Wendy's/Arby's Group represents a compelling investment opportunity for several reasons: First, we are just beginning to re-establish leadership in new product innovation; second, our focus on operations excellence is producing a better customer experience; third, we have a clear game plan to improve same-store sales; fourth, we are effectively managing our costs and reducing G&A; and finally, we have already laid the foundation for solid EBITDA growth with our early success in significantly improving restaurant level margins at Wendy's. In summary, we have a solid plan to generate annual EBITDA growth in the mid teens through 2011. We look forward to updating you on our progress throughout the year, and now let me turn it back over to John.

John Barker

Management

Thanks, Roland. Now I would like to open it up for questions. Considering the very large number of participants on the call we'd ask that you try to limit your questions and we'll work through it. Operator, if you could open the phone lines for questions, we'd appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Michael Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.. Michael Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.: The question I have is on the company margins at Wendy's. Could you talk in more detail, Roland, Steve, about where you saw the 100 basis points of improvement, what areas you're finding more opportunity or less opportunity versus your original expectations, and other than lower commodity costs, other areas that you'd expect to find additional opportunities to improve the Wendy's company operated margins for the remainder of the year?

Roland C. Smith

Management

As I mentioned on the call, we were very pleased with the 100 basis point improvement at Wendy's in the quarter. That came from primarily three areas, labor in a couple of areas, but most predominantly in the area of reducing our labor grid because we spent significantly labor hours for more volume in this quarter than the volume that we had a year ago and that was a big part of our savings. Second, in the area of what we call controllables or CROC, all the costs in the store that we actually manage, you know, kind of nickels and dimes, by our restaurant managers, we saved on average in our stores about $50 a week over the first quarter by just more carefully managing all those expenses by kind of quartiling all of our restaurants and looking at the line-by-line P&Ls to ensure that we understood what restaurants were struggling and helping our restaurant managers cut those costs out of that area. We also carefully managed our utilities. I told a story not long ago about actually having our restaurant managers going to our restaurants early in the morning and carefully decide which kind of circuit breakers they turn on. I know that sounds a little mundane, but if you do that more carefully you spend less energy and you don't peak your utilities. That's a very positive effect on actually how you spend money in the restaurant. And then finally we actually improved in food from the standpoint of how we control our theoretical versus our actual. And what we were able to do was get much closer between theoretical and actual from the standpoint of managing our careful food costs as we went through the quarter. We did have a corresponding negative impact which was commodities that I mentioned. We spent more on commodities in the first quarter of 2009 than we did in 2008, and so we would have actually beat that 100 basis point improvement fairly significantly if commodities had been flat to year ago. I'm pleased to report, however, and I mentioned it in my previous comments, that we expect commodities to mitigate throughout the remainder of the year. And although we initially in our last call forecasted about a 2% to 4% increase in commodities, we now believe it's most likely that it will be below 2%.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from John Glass - Morgan Stanley.

John Glass - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

First, Roland, could you just comment a little more specifically on both brands' same-store sales performance during the quarter? I guess specifically I'm interested in how Wendy's progressed through the quarter. You faced a fairly easy comparison, at least on the company side, so how you entered and exited the quarter. And then you talked about the Roastburger's impact in March and April, but could you be more specific? I think people would like to know how much Arby's same-store sales may have backslipped since that launch.

Roland C. Smith

Management

John, what I can say - and you know we don't talk about same-store sales month by month in the quarter - we were pleased with how we actually delivered same-store sales at Wendy's. As I mentioned, if you subtract the impact of the breakfast stores that we closed, which is really the fair way to look at our same-store sales year-over-year, we produced at the company stores 1.6% improvement in same-store sales and, quite honestly, that's without the benefit of the significant impact that we expect to be able to enjoy later on this year as our new product pipeline really starts to take hold and we introduce products like the new Frosty line I mentioned and the premium chicken products that I mentioned that tested well and also the premium hamburger sandwich that we expect to launch in the fourth quarter. From an Arby's standpoint we did get a little bit more specific because we wanted to make sure that you had an understanding of the significant positive impact of the Roastburger launch. As I mentioned in my comments, it improved the trend by 10 percentage points, which is very significant, and we were pleased with that. I did also mention, to be fair, that we saw a little bit of softening of sales as we got into April. And April, just so you know, we weren't on national TV and we weren't promoting Roastburger, so that was not something that really surprised us. I did mention and I'll reiterate that we were able to retain a significant portion of that significant improvement that we made during the Roastburger launch. We have just reintroduced Roastburger on TV nationally the middle of last week. John, I hope you've seen the commercial because we think it's a significant improvement and we think that it's going to drive our sales significantly in the month of May. And we look forward to several line extensions on Roastburger later this year to continue that momentum, along with, as I mentioned in my comments, some other kind of offerings to include chicken and turkey and ham. Also we're excited about a couple of value tests that we have in the market as we speak. It's around the concept of actually a higher price point but a compelling price point for a number of our products. It's being received well. And as I mentioned, we would expect that we'd be able to introduce it later this year to kind of shore up what we need to do from a value standpoint with that customer that continues to be very concerned about how much money they're spending.

John Glass - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

So it doesn't sound like you're willing to talk directionally then about comps at either brand right now?

Roland C. Smith

Management

I think that's correct, John.

John Glass - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

The reason I bring that up is I think either that or maybe setting some expectations around EBITDA on a quarterly basis, not for all quarters but the next subsequent quarter, might be useful just in helping people model this business given that it's a relatively new company. Can you comment about what was the impact of food costs this quarter? Can you quantify that so when we look at the margins we think about the food deflation or less food inflation in upcoming quarters?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Yes, John, I can talk a little bit about that. As we looked at our line-by-line P&L and looked at food costs we saw from a year-over-year standpoint a little more than 50 basis points of a negative impact in food costs for the first quarter versus year ago. We expect, as I mentioned, that to mitigate. I've seen a couple of reports yet this morning from folks that are kind of also kind of suggesting that they think commodities will lower as we go up for the rest of the year. And so we think that a little greater than 50 basis point impact of commodities will actually favorable impact us as we go through the remainder of the year. I've talked about a target that we absolutely expect to be able to meet from a Wendy's standpoint of 160 to 180 basis points of improvement by the end of the year. And, quite honestly, if commodities do what we all hope that they will, we think that that will help us get a little higher in that range, enjoy a higher margin improvement.

John Glass - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

And 50 basis points is both brands combined?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Actually if we added Arby's it would be slightly more than that, but that's close enough.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jeffrey Bernstein - Barclays Capital.

Jeffrey Bernstein - Barclays Capital

Analyst

First, I guess, a follow on on that question. You mentioned a couple of times your internal targets. I think you said EBITDA met expectation. I'm just wondering, I know we have three-year targets but, perhaps, if you could focus in on '09 based on the current levels? I think you mentioned that your comps were roughly in line at Wendy's and slightly below at Arby's. I'm wondering if you can give some kind of actual versus estimated comparisons? And lastly I think Arby's, you mentioned that the comps disappointed but the restaurant margins were on track. I'm just wondering if you can reconcile between the softening comp and still on track with the EBITDA margin or restaurant margin for Arby's specifically.

Roland C. Smith

Management

I'll try to do that. There's a number of questions there, Jeffrey, but I'll try to knock them off one by one. I guess the first thing I should say is unfortunately in my previous comments I was a little dyslexic. I said 7.8% was the decrease in same-store sales at Arby's for the first quarter when it should have been 8.7% so for the record I'd just like to correct that. So let me talk a little bit about our targets first. As we've mentioned and as we continue to talk about, we have a three-year mid-teen EBITDA growth goal as an average that we continue to believe that we can achieve. Now, because that is a three-year target and because the initiatives that produce that, like the G&A reduction from efficiencies and synergies, the significant margin improvement from Wendy's and same-store sales growth at both brands, and because these are all multi-year initiatives, that's why we speak to you in the terms of multi-year kind of EBITDA target guidance. And so while we are not giving annual targets, as we did say, the first quarter EBITDA met our expectations. And a lot of that was explained, as Steve provided you comments about the fact that our first quarter specifically at Wendy's from a sales standpoint tends to be about 20% of our EBITDA on an annualized basis. This year we believe that that quarterly seasonal split will be even less for the reasons that Steve mentioned. First of all, Arby's had some negative same-store sales in the first quarter that we don't expect to replicate at that level as we get through the remainder of the quarters. Secondly, as I've mentioned, we expect to have significant impact from a lot of new product introductions, both at Wendy's and at Arby's - the extension of our Roastburger loan, some other roasted meats, our value offerings at Arby's. We also have a fajita launch that we expect to - a flatbread fajita launch at Arby's we expect to launch later this year. And then the products that certainly I mentioned at Wendy's which include the Frostys and the premium chicken and the signature hamburger. And also a significant portion of the margin improvement that we are going to attain at Wendy's is yet to be fully realized, although we're making great progress. And so the impact of all of that will allow us to have increasing EBITDA throughout the last three quarters which will make the first quarter EBITDA as a percentage less than what we would typically expect around the 20% level. So that's what's kind of going on with targets and that's how we're talking about what we expect to do from an EBITDA standpoint going forward. I think your last question had to do with food costs. Jeffrey, if you wouldn't mind, could you just repeat the last one? You were asking me a little bit about margins at Arby's.

Jeffrey Bernstein - Barclays Capital

Analyst

Sure. It looks like, like you mentioned in your prepared remarks, that the comps clearly disappoint at Arby's despite improving in March, but yet you mentioned that the restaurant margins were on track with your expectation for the first quarter. I'm just wondering if you can reconcile that and perhaps talk about the strength of your Arby's franchisees based on the most recent results.

Roland C. Smith

Management

Jeffrey, that's a great question. You may be familiar, certainly we've talked about it in the past, that at the Arby's brand what we've been able to enjoy for a significant number of years is very, very strong restaurant margins based on the way that we manage those restaurants. As a matter of fact, we're making many of the improvements at the Wendy's brand right now because we've instituted some of the same thinking around how we actually manage the restaurants at the GM level. I've talked about this before but probably worth kind of re-mentioning again, at Arby's we've had an ownership mentality which is really kind of based on the fact that RTM, which was the previous owner of the stores that we currently run, was one of the largest franchisees in the world and did a great job of instilling in each restaurant manager the concept that they really were responsible and should run that restaurant like they owned it. And we've taken that same culture and we've put in place similar things at Wendy's and we're beginning to enjoy the benefit of that and that's partially why we were able to generate 100 basis points improvement in the first quarter versus year ago. That culture, Jeffrey, is still in place at Arby's and while over the last couple of quarters we certainly have not produced the level of comp sales that we would have liked to, our restaurant managers continue to be very focused on very carefully managing every single nickel and dime in our restaurants so that even though we have missed some of our expectations of sales we have not missed our EBITDA projections as much because we've been able to protect our margins. We do an excellent job of managing our actual to…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Stephen Kron – Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.. Stephen Kron – Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.: A couple of quick follow ups first on the EBITDA line. Just to be clear, the seasonality that you guys are talking about, 20% historically, you did $80 million of EBITDA this year, just doing the math, want to be clear on this, that would imply you're looking at $400 million of EBITDA for the year, but if that 20% proves to be lower this year as far as seasonality, as you guys are indicating, you're comfortable with the north of $400 million EBITDA target. Am I characterizing this fairly?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

I think that's a fair characterization, Stephen, but, you know, those are your numbers. Stephen Kron - Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.: Understood. And just, I think, one of the things everybody's maybe struggling with with the $80 million is just putting into context how this compared to last year, because we don't have that number. We do have a full year adjusted EBITDA for the company. Is there any color you could provide for us what the adjusted pro forma would have looked like last year?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

Well, Steve, we do have the pro forma adjusted first quarter in the 10-Q, so you do have operating profit there to work from, so that should be able to get you pretty close. Stephen Kron - Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.: And then I guess two other ones. Arby's, it seems as through last quarter there were a couple of different value tests in the works. It seemed as though from your comments, Roland, that there might be one item later in the year that you guys might introduce. I don't want to read too much into it, but it seems as though maybe you're pulling back on the types of tests you're doing. If that's true, is that because of the response you got from the Roastburger and maybe being a little bit more premium is not so bad or is it potentially because some of these other tests aren't really meeting the expectations?

Roland C. Smith

Management

I think it's really your first point, Stephen. Being premium we don't think is bad at all. We love the response from the Roastburger. As I mentioned, it [makes us] in the mid to high teens, which was beyond our expectations and is really significant in the first month of a new product launch. You've followed this business for a long time and know that new products that make somewhere between 5% and 8% are usually considered kind of homeruns. So from the standpoint of the acceptance by our consumer it was beyond our expectations and we're very excited about that. By the way, we have tested a number of value concepts over the last number of quarters so that we could kind of look at how we might speak to some of our more value-oriented customers and we've begun to focus on the ones that are actually performing well and so we don’t believe we need to continue that significant testing because we are kind of landing on one or two that we think fit within the concept of our premium brand positioning but still allow our customers to come in and get our great products for kind of a little less money than they would compared to full price. Stephen Kron - Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.: On the CapEx guidance for the full year that you provided, it seems as though this quarter CapEx represented just north of 10% of your full year target yet, if I understood it correct, six of the 15 new units that are going to be built are already built, so can you just explain or reconcile why the back half weighting to CapEx and really what that's going towards?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

Yes, Steve - and that's a fair comment because the 17 does look low - but when we look at the actual timing, for example, we have a schedule of remodels that tend to be sort of backend weighted during the year, so compared to our original expectations we thought that, when we look at the schedule, we think we're still going to average about $140 million for the year when we look at the schedule of construction around new units. Some of the new units that opened during this quarter, of course, with the lead time some of that CapEx actually fell in the previous year. Stephen Kron - Goldman Sachs & Company, Inc.: Okay, nothing from bigger remodels or anything like that?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

No. You know, the plan that we originally talked about, the 140, is unchanged; it's just in terms of what actually fell in the first quarter looks low. But I would expect that with just the normal spending that we've got approved as part of our business plan we'll still come in around 140 for the year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Larry Miller - RBC Capital Markets.

Larry Miller - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

I also had a question on the guidance; maybe we're kind of beating this to death. Can I just get your sense on how you think about this: Commodities are 2% lower than your forecast. To me that’s about $50 million. Are you just being conservative here on your outlook or is it that the weak same-store sales give you a little bit of pause and maybe they ate up a little bit of that upside? And then just a follow on to that, the 53rd week, I didn't know that there was one. I'm calculating about $7 million extra in EBITDA. Is that about right and presumably that's in the plan also relative to that and maybe even pushing down Q1 below that 20% mark as well. Can you comment on that?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Sure can; let me start with commodities. I think it's certainly fair to say that we were trying to be conservative from a commodities standpoint. We were conservative in our original forecast of 2% to 4%. I think we're still being relatively conservative saying that we think it will come in now below 2% as a year-over-year increase from the standpoint of commodities. We're through the first quarter, a little bit into the second quarter, there's lot of runway left this year, and I want to be careful that we don't over promise and under deliver and that's going to be consistently what we try to do as we speak to you and our investors. And as those commodities come down and we continue to see things that kind of help our margins, certainly it will have a positive impact. You know, from a sales standpoint, as I've mentioned a couple of times, certainly the benefit of the significant work we've done in R&D and in improving those teams and also the new strategy that we've developed for Arby's has really yet to take hold and really kind of deliver the results that we are confident that it can. As we get into kind of the late second, third and fourth quarters, there are some significant new product launches that we are very confident are going to drive sales. And, again, that's one of the reasons, as you mentioned, that we believe - and I think as Steve Kron also mentioned - that we believe that the representation of this quarter as a percentage of the total year will be less than what it would typically be. But we are in a very competitive marketplace from the standpoint of sales in the QSR industry. I'm sure you saw the report…

Stephen E. Hare

Management

And, Larry, I would say in terms of the math on that 53rd week, I think if you had built your forecast on a normal year-over-year basis, I think it would be fair to sort of take that forecast and divide by 53 and come out with $7 million or whatever your number is and that should be additive and part of the reason why we think that tilt will be a little more pronounced this year first quarter versus the remainder of the year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tom Forte - Telsey Advisory Group.

Tom Forte - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

You talked earlier in your comments about the Wendy's Value Menu and thinking about items at $0.99 to $1.99. Is this more raising the price on items that are already on the menu or adding new products to the Value Menu?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Thomas, it is a little bit of both, quite honestly. We're looking at some of our items that we think we ought to reintroduce to the customer because they are great values and they're unique items, like our baked potato and chili, which we don't need to sell for $0.99 because they are unique but I think they are a great value and we are looking at other products that we might be able to put in that range to kind of not only excite people about high quality great products but also kind of cover the fact that some of our consumers continue to be very price oriented. We are in the process of validating what those products are, take it into both quantitative and qualitative testing so that we can introduce this some time later on this year.

Tom Forte - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

And then the second question I had was to the extent your seeing competitive behavior as it pertains to Wendy's with coupons or discounting at both the value end of the menu and the premium side, are there thoughts of a competitive response for Wendy's heavily promoting the Baconator, for example, or some of the premium chicken sandwiches from a price standpoint?

Roland C. Smith

Management

I think it's an excellent point. We believe that because of our USP around particularly our hamburgers - and I think may of you know this, but unfortunately many of our customers have forgotten this - that some of the aspects or attributes of our products, like fresh, never-frozen beef, hand-torn lettuce, all our fresh condiments, our sandwiches that are built to order, we're improving our bacon and our buns and we believe that later on this year we can introduce some premium product items with premium pricing - not pricing that's too high, but still premium pricing - that we believe the consumer will absolutely kind of enjoy and pay the freight, which will provide us great margins and, quite honestly, it will still provide them great value. We have premium chicken coming out later on this year and, as I mentioned, a premium signature hamburger, so I think your thinking is right on and that's something that we certainly plan on implementing.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Westra - Cowen and Company.

Paul Westra - Cowen and Company

Analyst

As a follow up question on your food costs or commodity cost impact, was the impact in the first quarter you mentioned, was that in line so that the improvement in your outlook is going to fall exclusively into the second, third and fourth or did you already start seeing that in the first?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

Let me see if I understand this correct, Paul. We did have a negative impact on commodity costs in the first quarter of this year versus the first quarter of 2008. I said that that was a little bit north of about 50 basis points. And so if you take that into account and mathematically then look at what we would need to do commodity wise in the second, third and fourth quarter to deliver what we're saying conservatively is a little less than 2%, certainly the math would suggest that it would have to come down significantly in order to make that mathematically kind of work for the year.

Paul Westra - Cowen and Company

Analyst

Yes, I got that part. I was just [inaudible] little bit here. Was the plus 50 basis points or more impact, was that a little bit better than you originally thought or is that in line? In other words, the difference in your full year outlook from 2% to 4% to now a little bit below 2%, is that a sequential change in your forecast starting here in the second quarter or did you already start seeing some of the benefits of better commodities in the first?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

No, we've seen, like many of our other brand competitors that have been a little bit more vocal about that, that was a little better than we expected.

Paul Westra - Cowen and Company

Analyst

Can you comment a little bit on your CROC lines and maybe some energy, insurance and repair and maintenance? You went through food and labor so far. What are you seeing there compared to your initial 160 to 180 basis points?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Well, as I mentioned before as we've been speaking about this, certainly our CROC line, our controllables, whatever you want to call it, is an area of our restaurants that we think we have a significant amount of savings as we put the culture in place and as we put the metrics in place on a regular basis to kind of look at those lines and actually kind of make improvements. In the first quarter we did see an improvement in a couple of areas in that line, utilities being one, R&M being another and a couple of other of those lines that kind of ended up delivering from a Wendy's standpoint. I know this sounds small as we talk about it in terms of millions of dollars of EBITDA, etc., etc., but it was about $50 a store. But quite honestly $50 a store times the number of company stores per week ends up to add up to a lot of money on an annualized basis and that's one of the things that I think kind of some of our competitors or those that are not quite as capable for managing margins miss. They overlook that small stuff and that's the small stuff, the nickels and the dimes that the managers save on a regular basis, that adds up to make really significant margin improvement over weeks and months and years. And so we've begun to already enjoy those savings. I can tell you that the restaurant managers are very excited about this because now they can see tangible evidence that in fact they really could save money. And one of the issues that I had to deal with when I first got to company was I'd stand up in front of managers and talk about in this 500…

Paul Westra - Cowen and Company

Analyst

And just one follow up for Steve. Do you see a tax rate going forward in the 38% to 40% range and what should we be using as a general annual number in the years ahead?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

Yes. For the remainder of the year 38% to 40% is a good number for the year. It'll probably be, then, at the low end of that range.

Paul Westra - Cowen and Company

Analyst

And 38% is a good number for 2010 and beyond?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

For now that's certainly good enough. I think we've had some unusual charges go through the tax provision. I think going forward 38% to 40% should be where we normalize, so I think that's fair for modeling purposes.

Operator

Operator

Your final question comes from Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research.

Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research

Analyst

Wendy's comp, let's use the 1.6% in the first quarter, was there a pricing factor in there? I'd just like to get a sense of what the traffic was in the first quarter.

Stephen E. Hare

Management

There was some pricing impact in that 1.6%. Traffic across most QSRs continues to be kind of softer than we would like, but the combination of the products that we sold and some of the pricing that we have taken late last year certainly kind of added some positive revenue to the stores.

Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research

Analyst

Was there a positive or negative menu mix in the quarter?

Stephen E. Hare

Management

I'm not sure, Mitch, what you mean by negative or positive menu mix.

Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research

Analyst

Just breaking out the comp by price, traffic and then the mix piece, that third component of the comp, you know, the average ticket excluding any pricing.

Stephen E. Hare

Management

I think it's minimal. We in the first quarter really had two promotions. One we did twice, which was our Trio Value at $0.99, which obviously had an impact on check. But in the middle of that, kind of bookended by Value, we had our Premium Fish, which obviously from a mix standpoint was a premium product at a premium price that helped check. So you balance that all out, probably minimal impact.

Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research

Analyst

On the stores that do have breakfast, can you remind us how many stores have breakfast? Do you plan on keeping that level? And can you give us a sense of how those stores are doing at breakfast?

Roland C. Smith

Management

Yes. We have about 600 stores that are still in breakfast. We have begun to introduce a couple of new products in those stores from the standpoint of work that we've done, probably the most exciting of which is the Panini Bacon Egg And Cheese sandwich that seems to be testing well with the consumers. But I would say the predominance of the breakfast products that we're excited about that we will bring into those restaurants over a period of time is still in the test kitchen and has yet to kind of make it through the quantitative and qualitative tests with our consumers that we want to validate before we take it to the store. And so those stores, from the standpoint of what they're producing on a weekly and a monthly basis [inaudible] is really not relevant because they're still predominantly selling our old menu, they're still predominantly using our old operations system, they still have our old coffee, and so it's just really kind of not helpful from the standpoint of what that's doing. And we're not certainly spending the advertising dollars that we used to from the standpoint of encouraging customers to come in until we can get those new products in the stores and start to talk about why consumers should come into Wendy's for a premium breakfast.

Mitch Kaiser - Buckingham Research

Analyst

Thank you.

Roland C. Smith

Management

Thanks. So I appreciate all your time. I want to just close with a couple of comments. First of all, I want to reiterate that we met our expectations in the first quarter and while we will certainly take or would have taken more comp sales at both brands, we are making the progress that we expected to make and continue to be optimistic and bullish about the year for 2009 and what we can deliver. I want to reiterate that we think that the Wendy's/Arby's Group is a compelling investment opportunity for a couple of reasons. As I mentioned, we're just beginning to re-establish our leadership in product innovation. Our focus on operations is really starting to provide a better customer experience and that will produce sales over a period of time. We do have a clear game plan at both brands to improve same-store sales. We are managing our costs very efficiently, both G&A and from the standpoint of what's going on in our restaurants. And finally hopefully you've seen that with the first quarter improvement in restaurant margins at Wendy's you can see that we've laid the foundation for EBITDA growth both this year and in the years to come. I think that we will continue to improve sales. There's some time that will be necessary in order for that to come to fruition as our new products get launched into the market later on this year, and I look forward to updating you on a regular basis as you track our success this year and the years to come. Thanks a lot for the time and we'll speak soon.

Jeffrey Bernstein - Barclays Capital

Analyst

And feel free to call myself or Kay later today with any follow up questions. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the Wendy's/Arby's Group first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. If you would like to listen to a replay of today's conference call please dial 303-590-3030 or 1-800-406-7325 with access code 4065554 followed by the pound sign. We'd like to thank you for your participation and at this time you may now disconnect.