Energous Corporation (WATT) Q4 2017 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good day everyone and welcome to the Energous Corporation Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] And please note, today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Bishop with the company's Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, William and welcome everybody. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during today's call, the company will make forward-looking statements. These statements, whether in prepared remarks or during the Q&A session, are subject to risks and -- to inherent risks and uncertainties that are detailed in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as otherwise required by Federal Securities Laws, Energous disclaims any obligation or undertaking to publicly release updates or revisions to the forward-looking statements contained herein or elsewhere to reflect changes and expectations with regards to those events, conditions and circumstances. Also, please note that during this call, energy -- Energous will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release, which is posted to the company's website. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Steve Rizzone, CEO of Energous. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Mike. Welcome to the Energous fourth quarter and year-ending 2017 conference call and update. With me today is Brian Sereda, our Chief Financial Officer. I will start with an overview of our progress before turning it over to Brian for a review of the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2017. I will then close with comments before opening the session for questions. 2017 was a defining year for wireless power industry and for Energous in particular. In 2017, Energous completed the foundation necessary to deliver Wireless Charging 2.0, which is the ability to charge devices at contact and at-a-distance with mobility, while supporting a wide range of power requirements. Specifically, in 2017, Energous demonstrated consistent progress by qualifying for mass production, cost-effective chipsets that are the basis for our WattUp near-field, midfield and far-field charging with the necessary level of integration to bring the WattUp wireless charging ecosystem to the mass consumer market. We received and shipped through our partner, Dialogue, our first commercial orders for silicon, which transitions us from being in a developmental stage to a commercialized company in less than three and a half years, dating back to the IPO and formal launch of the company in 2014. While the revenues, themselves, were nominal and fell below certain threshold requirements contained in our Dialogue agreement for reporting purposes, the silicon chips were purchased for use in manufacturing preproduction rollouts, which will translate into significant revenues later on this year, as our partners ramp into full production. Energous expanded the power envelope of the WattUp technology with the introduction of our high-powered silicon. These chips, based on leading GaN and GaAs technology, are capable of delivering up to 10 watts of contact-based power for fast-charging electronic devices, such as smartphones, tablets, game controllers, drones and more. We completed the partnership integration with Dialogue. This relationship is being enthusiastically embraced by Dialogue and Energous, as both companies are reaping significant benefits. From our perspective, the partnership brings strong, credible validation of the Energous vision. It solves the supply chain problem, as it provides a vehicle for WattUp silicon chips to be inserted into an existing reliable supply chain. For the world's largest consumer and IoT companies, supply chain is as important as the technology, when you are considering enter -- inserting third-party chips into your devices. The partnership has also accelerated Energous' customer acquisition by aligning us with a very experienced and well-connected salesforce. Finally, the partnership allows Energous to forego the very significant ongoing to cost to fund a large operations team and a global sales organization as well as the cost of caring and managing a large silicon inventory. From a Dialogue perspective, the relationship represents a new potentially significant source of revenue. It expands Dialogue's presence and the scope of their offerings in wireless power. It provides a new product for the sales organization to reengage with their customer base and in conjunction with joint reference designs, provides an opportunity to win new BLE in power management sockets. It's truly a win-win opportunity. We increased our first-to-market advantage and enhanced our barriers to competition with the expansion of our IP portfolio. We started 2017 with 18 patents. By the end of the year, we secured 104 granted and allowed patents. As of yesterday, the numbers has increased to a combined total of 122 U.S. patents, plus three foreign parents allowed and over 170 additional patents in various stages of review by the U.S. Patent Office and/or their foreign equivalents. The company expanded its customer acquisition funnel to over 70 companies in various stages of evaluation and integration of the WattUp technology. With the expectation that the first commercial shipments of WattUp-enabled consumer products, bundled with near-field transmitters, will begin shipping to the consumer early this year. Energous continued to achieve milestone-based progress with our Tier 1 customer. As we have stated in the past, we're precluded from providing details as to the relationship, and our progress in conjunction with the far-reaching confidentiality agreement. But we can say that we continue to move forward on projects that will enhance our partner's product offerings, if they decide to move forward, and implement our technology as part of their product line. At the same time, these projects expand the scope and functionality of the general WattUp product portfolio. We also added a second Tier 1 customer to our focus list, who has the equivalent potential for mass quantities of WattUp chipsets sales. Finally, in December 2017, we successfully obtained the first-ever FCC Part 18 certification for our WattUp Midfield power-at-a-distance transmitter. This is not to be confused with the common FCC Part 15 certifications, which restrict power output to one watt. The far-reaching, precedent-setting FCC Part 18 certification Energous received after a rigorous 18-month process establishes a certification path for transmitting devices that enable wire-free, over-the-air charging at any distance greater than five millimeters, with no limit for output power, so long as that amp output complies with a now-established testing, processes, and procedures. The certification also clearly established the fact that RF-based power, at-a-distance is safe to the point where devices can be worn on one's person while they are charging. We believe this certification is the launching point for all -- a whole new era of wireless charging, which will bring much needed utility and increased safety without any foreign object detection issues to the consumer. It will also bring improved functionality to a great range of devices and ease-of-use to the customer, ultimately changing the future of the consumer electronics industry. Further, the fact that Energous lead this effort from the commercial side and is uniquely familiar with both the resulting processes and procedures, further advances our first-to-market advantage and enhances our position as the leader in Wireless Charging 2.0. In looking at our performance to date, a clear picture emerges. Energous has made consistent progress in the three and a half years since launch. We now have all of the tools necessary to realize our vision of a true, wire-free, WattUp-enabled ecosystem that fundamentally changes the wired and battery-powered paradigm. We have the technology. We qualified the silicon and received FCC approval. Further, we are the only company that has contact-based and at-a-distance charging capabilities. We have the partnerships. Our partners bring validity, significant chip sales potential, supply chain credibility, cost containment and sales acceleration to our rollout and revenue plan. We have the customers. Our customer funnel continues to expand and progress. It is also notable that the vast majority of our customers either have or have considered implementations of first-generation wireless pad-based charging and are reaching out and working with Energous, because the WattUp technology offers all of the benefits of the first-generation technology with none of the drawbacks. WattUp also has the clear advantage of being a part of an ecosystem. The only ecosystem that can deliver both contact and distance-based charging solutions to the customer. Energous has the team, which is key. Thanks to the company's potential and the challenges and excitement surrounding the WattUp technology, we have successfully recruited and retained a world-class engineering development team that represents a significant competitive advantage and a valuable asset for the company. We have the IP and continue to build strong, far-reaching barriers to competition with 125 awarded or allowed patents and counting. Our balance sheet is strong. Thanks to our highly successful up-round ATM equity offering completed in January, Energous now has sufficient reserves to execute on our strategy and implement the Energous Vision. And finally, our leadership position. Energous has paved the way for Wireless Charging 2.0 and we have become synonymous with at-distance charging, drawing customer interest and defining the industry. Looking forward to 2018, Energous will continue to execute our three-pronged, revenue-focused strategy. First, we will focus on a small number of customer opportunities with shorter product cycles to ship WattUp-enabled products to the consumer as quickly as possible. Second, in parallel, we will concentrate our integration efforts on a select number of top-tier opportunities capable of completing internal product cycles in time to be able to ship mass quantities of chipsets in the second half of 2018. This will support our back end-loaded revenue ramp, leading to cash flow breakeven. The combination of these two prongs of our strategy forms the basis of the rollup of the WattUp Wireless Charging 2.0 ecosystem, which, at its core, is based on the release of three iterations of transmitters. We expect the first contact-based transmitters will be in the hands of the consumers in early 2018, followed by the first at-a-distance transmitters coming in late 2018, culminating in far-field transmitters coming to the market in 2019. As these transmitters roll into the consumer market, you can expect to see a plethora of WattUp-enabled receiving devices across a variety of consumer and IoT markets also hitting on both a standalone basis and bundled with WattUp transmitters. To support the global launches of the first implementations of contact-based transmitters, we will seek and obtain international near-field regulatory approvals. In parallel, we intend to leverage the far-reaching FCC Part 18 approval while working with foreign jurisdiction regulatory agencies to establish a similar groundbreaking path for regulatory approval of the first at-a-distance transmitters on a global scale. Finally, we believe this will all come together in 2019 to yield a significant, sustainable, high margin revenue ramp made possible by the fact that our top-tier opportunities with extended product cycle and mass quantity potential will mature in 2019. Also, in 2019, we expect to benefit from a full year of shipments of customers who launched in 2018 coupled with the continued expansion of our customer funnel, resulting in an ever-increasing number of customers buying chipsets and shipping WattUp-enabled products. In summary, everything, everything is in place to continue the momentum and launch Wireless Charging 2.0 to the mass consumer market. Brian, I will now turn the call over to you for comments on our financial performance.

Thank you, Steve. Before I get started, as you saw at the close of the market today, we issued a press release, announcing our operating and financial results for our fourth quarter in fiscal year ended December 31st, 2017. In 2017, we recognized approximately $1.2 million in revenues compared to $1.5 million in the prior year. And as in the prior year, revenues were derived predominantly from engineering services. Total revenue for the fourth quarter was approximately $30,000 compared to approximately $130,000 in the same quarter last year. Although we did ship preproduction quantities of chips in the fourth quarter, revenue in fiscal 2017 derived from chips was minor, as our chip quantity -- shipped quantity was below certain threshold requirements specified in our strategic agreement with Dialogue. Total GAAP expense for 2017 was a $50.5 million compared to $47.3 million in 2016, with the increase driven mainly by stock compensation expense. Total underlying operating expenses are down year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter and I'll break out the details for you shortly. For the fourth quarter, total GAAP expenses declined to $11.3 million from $13 million in the third quarter and was approximately $3.5 million lower than the fourth quarter of 2016. The company remains heavily R&D focused with this segment of our cost structure representing close to 67% of our total 2017 GAAP expense. Net loss on a GAAP basis for 2017 was $49.4 million after netting negligible interest income and other expense compared to $45.8 million in 2016. This equates to a $2.31 loss per share on 21.3 million weighted average shares outstanding versus $2.60 per share on 17.6 million weighted average shares outstanding in the prior fiscal year. For the fourth quarter, our net loss was $11.2 million or $0.50 per share compared to a loss of $12.7 million in the third quarter or $0.58 per share, and a $14.6 million loss or $0.75 per share loss when compared to the same quarter last year. Midyear, we completed a follow-on private placement with Dialogue Semiconductor for $15 million, bringing their total investment in the company to $25 million. We ended the year with $12.8 million of cash, down from $20.2 million at the end of the third quarter. As you may have seen, we successfully completed a $40 million At-The-Market Equity Offering, commonly known as an ATM, in January of this year, netting an additional $39 million of capital, which will be included in our first quarter 2018 balance sheet. Now, I'd like to build upon the discussion on expenses. We believe that adjusted or non-GAAP EBITDA provides a useful tool to investors, especially when used in conjunction with GAAP information. Our total GAAP expense in 2017 of $50.5 million that I quoted earlier includes non-cash expense of $17.1 million compared to $10.5 million of non-cash expenses in fiscal 2016. Netting out these expenses for stock compensation, amortization and depreciation, our total net non-GAAP spending in 2017 declined to $33.4 million from $36.8 million in 2016, a drop of approximately $3.4 million year-over-year. On a quarterly basis, our Q4 non-GAAP expense also declined to $7.6 million from $8.1 million in the prior quarter and decreased by approximately $2.7 million from $10.3 million in the same quarter last year. Non-GAAP R&D spending represented 71% or $23.7 million of our total non-GAAP expense for the year, down $4.3 million from approximately $28 million spent on R&D in 2016. The decline in R&D expense represents fewer new chips under development and a winding down of our dependency on costly third-party outside engineering support. Due to employee realignment after a full year of the Dialogue integration, we ended the year with 67 employees compared to 70 in the prior year. Although we significantly increased the depth of our customer engagements in fiscal 2017, the partnership formed with Dialogue allows us to forego the need to build that expensive global support in operations normally required to support commercial growth, which we expect in 2018. Total non-GAAP selling and general and administrative expenses grew by only $900,000 year-over-year to $9.8 million, again, a reflection on the relationship with Dialogue, allowing us to leverage their international sales organization in regions that would have necessitated direct investment by us. Just a reminder to those new to our story. The strategic alliance agreement signed with Dialogue back in late 2016 moves the -- most of the chip -- cost of most of the chip qualification, manufacturing and management of the supply chain processes to their side. We also benefit by leveraging their worldwide presence through joint marketing and sales efforts. Our net loss on a non-GAAP basis for fiscal 2017 was $32.3 million, $3.1 million lower than the $35.4 million net non-GAAP loss in 2016. For the fourth quarter, our net non-GAAP operating loss was $7.6 million, approximately $0.3 million lower than the $7.9 million net non-GAAP loss in Q3 and $2.6 million lower than the $10.2 million net non-GAAP loss in the fourth quarter of last year. Earlier, I mentioned that our balance sheet was significantly strengthened in early January through the completion of a $40 million At-The-Market transaction, netting approximately $39 million of additional cash on top of our year ending cash balance of $12.8 million. Furthermore, consistent with the perspective supplement filed in connection with the At-The-Market Offering, we expect modest chip revenue in the first half of 2018 continuing into the third quarter with the opportunity for larger volumes of shipments later in the year. I'd like to now turn the call back to Steve for his closing remarks.

Thank you, Brian. Before I turn the call over to the operator for questions, I would like to make one final comment on our competitive position. As I'm sure most of our investors are aware, wireless charging has become a very exciting space with a lot of noise. Inductive contact-based charging led by Chi Technology offers a small amount of consumer utility, and the number of devices utilizing it has plateaued. We refer to this as Wireless Charging 1.0. Wireless Charging 2.0 offers a paradigm shift in how consumers use the power in their devices. That is to say, it will move from a very active process to a completely passive process, where users won't have to think about the power and the power status of their devices. Only Energous has all of the pieces in place to provide the mass markets with a viable full range solution from contact-based fast charging to Part 18 distance charging of multiple devices, all while using a common receiver and under software control. No other company can make these claims or even come close to challenging Energous as the leader in the next great evolutionary wave in consumer and IoT devices, Wireless Charging 2.0. As investors, this leadership position as well as the milestone announcements surrounding our revenue-focus plan is what you should be tracking. It will fuel our growth and power our momentum, culminating in a company that, we believe, will be relevant with sustained revenue growth and that will be very, very valuable. Operator, I will now take questions.

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first questioner today will be Ilya Grozovsky with National Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay, thanks guys. Wanted to understand, how many current customers or partners are there for your products. I know, we saw some at CES, the wearing -- the wearables and some hearing aids. So, I just want to understand, currently, as we stand now, how many products do you expect are there out there? And if you can give us the roadmap from a numbers' perspective.

Well, first of all, hello. Let me say that as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we now have over 70 customers in our customer funnel. Our customer funnel is divided into four stages, from interest to engagement to prototyping through mass production. Since we are an integration technology, in other words, we sell, as you know, silicon to consumer and IoT companies and then we work with them to integrate our technology into their devices, we work with their product cycles. And their product cycles have varying lengths and varying times depending on complexity, their own internal operations, so on and so forth. And so again, as I said, we -- we're establishing a bit of a queue. We're focused on a number less than 10, what we call, early adopters that have short product cycles and have the ability to ship product fairly quickly. Not all of those will come to the market early this year. But again, we think multiple ones will. And their importance to us, as I said, is not revenue particularly, it's really more the validation of the technology. In parallel, we're working with a number of top-tier companies who do have the capacity to roll their product cycles in such a timeframe where we can expect to see mass quantity shipments of a number of products before the end of the year, all culminating in what we think will be the real significant revenue ramp and the large number of companies hitting the market in 2019. I can't tell you with a degree of certainty, we do not control these product cycles, how many customers specifically will hit the market, and exactly when they will, because there's so many variables involved and this is all relatively new. But it's a significant number. As I said, there are 70 in total and that queue could be larger, but we need to focus down. And we're actively moving them through the cycles. I think that's about the best way I can answer it. It's a significant number and the interest continues to broaden and increase.

Great. Thanks. And then also on the far-field product, when do you intend to submit that to the FCC for approval?

Again, we don't submit. Now, that the precedent has been established, we will work with our customers who will submit their devices for approval. And as I said, we believe that you'll see the first distance transmitters with regulatory approval hit the market before the end of the year. So, sometime in the second half of this year, you can expect that these devices will be submitted for regulatory approval. Our main focus right now, quite frankly, is the globalization of the approvals and the technology. The -- this -- WattUp is clearly a global release. And so we're now very focused on leveraging the very successful and far-reaching FCC precedent that was established and now moving over into Europe. And then coupled with Europe, the majority of the world looks to Europe and to the U.S. as kind of the arbiters of the regulatory environment. And so once we have the EU, then we'll begin to focus and expand into the Far East. And as I said, this is really taking the bulk of our focus from a regulatory perspective.

And then lastly, the $40 million approximately that you raised, do you believe that should get you to profitability and that fills your cash needs going forward?

Hi, Illy, it's Brian. Yes, no. We're heads down focused on commercialization and we believe that the $40 million is sufficient capital to get us to that point as Steve mentioned earlier in his script.

Thanks guys.

And the next questioner today will be Andrew Uerkwitz with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Thanks guys for taking my question. I have a couple here. The first is as we approach commercialization, could you kind of give us clues, if you can, of kind of what industries or what markets do you think will see some of the first products? And how that shapes up over the next 18, 24 months?

Yes. So, hello Andrew. Because of the unprecedented advantages we have in footprint and cost, I think the first markets that you'll start to see significant penetration in are in here hearables, hearing aids and IoT devices and I think we'll branch from there. But each one of those represents huge TAM and we have multiple efforts. Easily the top two to three players in each of those markets actively engaged.

And then one follow-up on that topic. You mentioned in IoT, three, four years ago, when you started, the idea was transmitters would best fit similar to like a Wi-Fi box or maybe the edge of the TVs or in the bezels of TVs and monitors. Now, that a lot of IoT devices are becoming a lot smarter and you got home speakers and whatnot, does that open up the opportunity for transmitters, and how do you kind of think about that market?

I think it's a great opportunity for us as we demonstrated at CES, one of the hottest opportunities we have right now is in the Bluetooth speakers, where they would function both as a distance transmitter for, like, your hearables and your headsets and on the top of the unit, as a fast charger. And so I think the -- as the technology continues to roll out and advance, the opportunities expand in terms of utilization and markets that we can penetrate. I think if you sum it up though, anything with a cable or a battery that's under 10 watts is fair game for us right now and represents an opportunity from a charging perspective and transmitter perspective.

And then my last question, is there a discernible difference tween the economics of transmitters and receivers, now that we're getting closer to a launch and you have a better idea of what those economics are?

Yes. The -- as a key to the mass rollout, we've worked very hard to reduce the cost of the receiver down sub-dollar with the chipset, which has the PA and the beam forming chip as well as the receiver chip totaling in the mid-single digit dollars. So, there is a difference and I think that's been an important development leading to opening up a number of opportunities for mass deployment.

Got it. Thank you guys and good luck as we get through this year.

Thank you.

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] And our next questioner today will be William Gibson with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes. First, a question on the income statement is that fourth quarter R&D spend in sales and marketing spend a good base for 2018?

Say it again, Bill. Sorry, I missed that question.

Yes. I was looking at the R&D spend and sales and marketing, where they declined in the fourth quarter. Is that a good level for 2018 and what do you see as the trend?

I think we're going to build off that base, Bill. We don't see a major expansion of those expenses. Especially on the R&D side, as I mentioned, we brought a lot of the work that was being -- that we required being done by outside consulting firms on the engineering side. We brought all of that in-house, and we built the necessary engineering talent to carry that forward. So, I don't see a great expansion of those expenses. We're going to add expenses mainly in areas that are customer facing. Some of the core R&D areas. But we don't have, as of today, great plans to add significant headcount from where we are right now. And--

Yes, Bill, I think it's -- like I said earlier, it's also really important to note the economics of the model and the benefits that we're driving from this Dialogue partnership. We would be a much larger company and a much more complex company with -- without the partnership. Because of it, we've virtually eliminated the need for an operations team, which is a multimillion dollar ongoing expense. We've eliminated the need to carry inventory, which is complex and expensive. We don't have the expense associated with a salesforce. And so this is a very, very economic model. We're now up to 72, 73 people, 63 people are engineers. We'll continue to add some number of headcount, but these will also be engineers and customer facing. And so our overheads will be nominal and I think that's how that this will roll off. And again, why it's such an attractive model, overall, as we start to really ramp up the revenues and generate sales from chips.

Thank you. And then just one follow-up. I know you went over the numbers on the increases in the issued patents, and I noticed one of the -- maybe even the latest patent that was issued had to do with the toolbox charging power tools and of the over 70 companies in your funnel, are any of those tool manufacturers?

Let me say that that's not our priority right now. As I mentioned, the -- or as we've talked all along, this technology is very, very scalable. We could be charging a Tesla with the technology. We could be charging a toolbox or a rice maker or a blender or the other appliances out there. We think, though, as a company, it's more important for us to focus. And that's why we think that there'll be, kind of, a bifurcation of the wireless power industry, where you've got the first-generation charging companies focused more and more on power. You might have seen some of the recent announcements, where they're talking about 70 watts, 80 watts, so on and so forth. I think that they'll focus on increasing power and charge stationary devices, while we'll focus on power in the lower end of the spectrum, with an emphasis on mobility. And that -- the technologies will become more compatible or comparable, if you will, than competitive. But again, long answer, but I suffice it to say that we have our hands full right now with this end of the spectrum. And for us, it's really much more important to focus, to concentrate on specific markets and then leverage our reference designs throughout those markets, so we can take full advantage of the intellectual property that we developed as an example for a hearing aid, and that we can work with the one or two top vendors in that market and then take that same reference design and proliferate it down through the entire vertical. And I think that's the right strategy for us to maximize a revenue ramp.

Thanks Steve.

And our next questioner today will be Jon Hickman with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Is there -- do your engineers come up with -- or is there some theoretical power that you can deliver and still meet absorption requirement for the distance charging?

Well, you broke up a little bit. I'm not completely sure I get your question. But I think there's a -- if I understand the issue of sending power, there's multiple elements to its. There's the regulatory element, there's the technology itself, and then there's physics and line loss and distance. And all of these come into play. And without going -- it's really not possible to say, definitively, that this is the what the technology will deliver, because it's so application-dependent. And depending on the application and the needs of the receiver that's coupled to the application that really determines how the system is put together and what kind of power is sent out, what kind of distance is associated with it, so on and so forth. So, it's really a function of the application. The good news is that we have developed and have qualified a broad spectrum of silicon chips that give us a tremendous amount of flexibility in terms of integrating our technology successfully into our customers' technology and meeting their requirements from a power perspective.

Okay. Thanks. All my other questions have been answered. Appreciate it.

Thank you, Jon.

And our next questioner today will be Jim Schnieders with Schnieders Capital Management. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Congratulations on the Part 18 certification. My question is actually kind of a follow-on to that prior question. Your first-generation midfield device received power at one-tenth the watt at three feet. And I'm wondering, is it -- do you think something in the range of one watt at three feet, is that realistic? Or is it something that we'll see, going forward? I'm trying to get more color on how that plays out.

Okay. I think to be clear, it's important to note that the device that was submitted, first of all, was an early device and we could not change that as our technology continued to evolve, otherwise, we would have had to start the process over. Also, I think it's important to note that we turned the power down significantly in order to have a very wide margin in terms of the SAR ratings and MPE ratings in particular. We felt this was appropriate to give the regulatory agencies the necessary flexibility to review the process and work with the process. So, there's considerable room for additional power just with the first-generation transmitter, let alone subsequent developments in technology that have improved the efficiency of the circuitry leading up to the antennas that have substantially improved the gain of both the transmit and receive antennas. And so I -- while I can't give you specifics without trying to detail a specific application, I can tell you that sufficient power is available to charge a broad spectrum of devices and it has not been a gating item for us in any of our relationships to-date. I think, initially, when we first started this company, we were talking about much higher power, measured in five and six watts, so on and so forth. I think that that's -- those kinds of power ratings are really not going to be possible, given the regulatory environment, even though the technology can support it. But certainly sufficient power to charge the devices that are common from smartphones to tablets, from hearables to wearables, IoT devices, is well within the range of what we can deliver.

Okay. So, is this something that as more customers come on board, more detail out as individual products come online, is that realistic?

I think, that's a fair way to look at it, yes.

All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. I have no further questions.

All right. If there's no further questions, again, we want to thank everyone for attending today's call. We appreciate your continued support and interest in the company. We will remain heads down and maniacally focused on execution, and delivering on the revenue, and we look forward to a follow-on call in another three months. Thank you very much. Good afternoon.

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