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Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, May 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. Welcome to the Waters Corporation First Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode, until the question-and-answer session begins. This call is being recorded. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Caspar Tudor, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Caspar Tudor

Management

Thank you, Leila, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Waters Corporation's first quarter earnings call. Joining me today are Dr. Udit Batra, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Amol Chaubal, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I will cover the cautionary language. In this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements, regarding future events, or future financial performance of the Company. We will provide guidance regarding possible future results as well as commentary on potential market and business conditions that may impact Waters Corporation over the second quarter of 2025 and full-year 2025. These statements are only our present expectations and actual events or results may differ materially. Please see the risk factors included within our Form 10-K, our Form 10-Qs, and the cautionary language included in this morning's earnings release. During today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are attached to our earnings release and in the appendix of the slide presentation accompanying today's call. Both are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Unless stated otherwise, references to quarterly results increasing or decreasing are in comparison to the first quarter of fiscal year 2024. In addition, unless stated otherwise all year-over-year revenue growth rates and ranges given on today's call are on a comparable constant currency basis. Finally, we do not intend to update our guidance predictions or projections except as part of a regularly scheduled earnings release or as otherwise required by law. Now, as we begin, thank you all for joining us today. We've structured today's call to highlight how Waters resilient growth profile, operational agility and innovation driving strong results, as we navigate a dynamic global environment including recently announced tariffs. Udit will start by framing our key messages and cover how we are well positioned to deliver against our 2025 objectives. Amol will then walk you through a detailed review of our first quarter performance, updated guidance, and the actions we have taken to stay ahead of revolving external conditions. After their remarks, we will open the lines for questions. With that, let me turn it over to Udit.

Udit Batra

Management

Thank you, Caspar, and good morning, everyone. We had a fantastic start to the year. Double-digit instrument growth drove our performance as customer spending, especially in Pharma, exceeded expectations. Demand remained solid across all our end markets and geographies. These results are driven by our strong commercial execution and our steadfast commitment to operational excellence. I want to take a moment to thank all my colleagues for their dedication and outstanding performance. Their focus and agility enable us to accelerate the benefits of pioneering science and deliver solid financial outcomes, especially in dynamic market conditions. We have consistently shown leadership through turbulent times. Just look at the last five years, where we have successfully navigated the pandemic, the global chip shortage, supply chain disruptions and inflationary pressures. Through it all, Waters has become a stronger company by focusing on three guiding principles. First, we stay close to our customers and work tirelessly and with urgency to support their evolving needs as conditions shift. Second, while mitigating risks, we never lose sight of opportunities to enhance our competitive position, we remain focused on launching differentiated new products and investing in our capabilities. Third, we redoubled support and communication with our colleagues who are dedicated to the mission of the company and lead with an indomitable spirit. Staying true to these principles has enabled us to consistently deliver robust results over the past five years. Today, we continue to navigate a dynamic macro environment. However, our resilient downstream weighted revenue profile and swift operational actions position us to deliver high single-digit earnings growth this year, even after accounting for newly announced tariffs. Amol and I will discuss these points in greater detail later in the call. Turning now to our results. In the first quarter, sales grew 4% as reported and 7%…

Amol Chaubal

Management

Thank you, Udit, and good morning, everyone. For the first quarter, we delivered sales of $662 million, up 4% on a reported basis and 7% in constant currency, placing us at the high end of our guidance range. Orders growth exceeded sales growth, underscoring our strong momentum. By end market, Pharma grew 8%, industrial grew 6% and academic and government grew 3%. Pharma saw double-digit growth in Asia and the Americas and 3% growth in Europe. Industrial was led by Waters Division, which grew high-single digits, driven by PFAS applications growing more than 90%. TA Instruments continued to benefit from battery testing demand. Within Academic & Government, as Udit highlighted, China grew double digits as we continue to leverage our local market presence. Regionally, Asia grew 13% with China growing 5%, Americas grew 6% and Europe grew low-single digits. By product line, instrument sales grew 11%, driven by mid-teens growth in both liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry. Recurring revenues grew mid-single digits as expected, given the two fewer days in the quarter. Customer activity remains strong and installed base utilization remains high with our consistent results supported by our commercial initiatives in service plan attachment, e-commerce adoption and the launch of new bioseparations columns. Overall, the first quarter execution was strong across markets, regions and product lines and our resilient growth exposure positions us well for the remainder of the year. Now I will comment on our first quarter non-GAAP financial performance. Earnings per share reached $2.25 coming in at high end of guidance, supported by robust sales volume and an improvement in FX rates. This represents 2% reported growth and 7% growth in constant currency. GAAP earnings per share were $2.03. Gross margin came in at 58.2% and adjusted operating margin came in at 25.5%, consistent with our expectations.…

Udit Batra

Management

Thank you, Amol. So in summary, our first quarter results reflect excellent momentum and reinforce our confidence in both the recovery of the instrument market and the steady growth of our recurring revenues. We are executing from a position of strength, anchored by resilient sources of growth and a revitalized portfolio that continues to command strong pricing. We remain firmly on track to achieve our 2025 objectives despite the recently announced tariffs and no expected impact to our original EPS expectations for the year. Our commitment to operational excellence, financial discipline and rapid execution continues to deliver solid outcomes and creates value for our shareholders. We are energized by our progress, confident in our positioning and immensely proud of our team who have been instrumental in achieving these strong outcomes. So with that, I will turn the call back to Caspar.

Caspar Tudor

Management

Thanks, Udit. That concludes our prepared remarks. We are now happy to open the lines and take your questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the Q&A. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Jack Meehan with Nephron. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jack Meehan

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

Udit Batra

Management

Good morning, Jack.

Jack Meehan

Analyst

I wanted to start – talk a little bit more about the replacement cycle dynamics that you're seeing called out in the script that it's still ramping. Can you just talk about the different customer classes within Pharma biotech, what you're seeing there? And then for Amol, within the 2025 guide now, is there any update to what your forecast was for instruments?

Udit Batra

Management

Jack, good morning and thank you. Look, instruments performed extremely strongly in Q1 came in ahead of expectations, right? So double-digit growth driven by both LC and mass spec growing in the mid-teens. Now your question is around the replacement cycle in Pharma, in particular, LC and Pharma also grew in the mid-teens, really, really strong growth. There, the growth was led by large Pharma, where I'll remind you that our focus is on late-stage resilient applications in QC, in manufacturing and in the generic segment, so large Pharma, generics and CDMOs, which is about 75% of our Pharma business all grew in double digits. So the replacement cycle is well and truly underway. The funnel is quite strong, and our customers are really responding well both in greenfield and brownfield opportunities to the Alliance iS building a stake there as well. Amol on the 2025 guide.

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. And so the only change for the remainder of the year in our guide is mainly around the U.S. A&G business. It's a very small portion of our business, like 3%. What we've done is we've proactively meaningfully derisked our U.S. A&G forecast. So we've prudently assumed 20% decline for U.S. A&G for the rest of the year, which brings our overall A&G for the full-year to a mid single-digit decline for the full-year. And that creates a 50 basis points topline headwind. Now separately, our selective surcharge actions on tariffs add about 50 basis points on the topline. And so for rest of the year, net of the two, there is no impact. So that's roughly the guide change.

Jack Meehan

Analyst

Great. And one follow-up. In the Pharma biotech customer class, have you seen any change in behavior related to tariffs, like specifically from what you can tell? Was there any pull forward in the first quarter? Or have you seen any increase in ordering in the second quarter just around customers' positioning around tariffs? Any color on that would be great.

Udit Batra

Management

So really no change in behavior, Jack, at all, right? The funnels are quite strong. I mean we've seen momentum through the quarter. So really no change in behavior. And in terms of the tariff impact on Pharma itself, look, just like us, the Pharma customers are spending time thinking through what actions they would take if tariffs were implemented on their products. And just like us, they're thinking through supply chain modifications. And you must have read sort of the over $160 billion commitment that many large Pharma players have made to restore in the U.S., we're very well positioned with all of them. And if and when that comes, we are sure to benefit from it. It's not included in our guide. But seeing absolutely no change on the replacement dynamics in large Pharma, in particular. Now I just want to take the opportunity also to take a step back, right? We're getting caught up in sort of the small – the changes that are occurring every single day. The Pharma industry remains one of the most attractive end markets. Look, I've spent close to 30 years of my career, half of it in Pharma and half of it sort of serving Pharma through the life science tools industry. And I can tell you, innovation has never been stronger. It is there to meet the needs of an aging population, both on the acute and chronic side. So we feel very good about our position in serving the Pharma industry as we together work to getting the benefits of this pioneering science to many, many customers in need. So very positive about the long-term prospects of Pharma, but in the short-term, really no change in dynamics on the replacement cycle.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Tycho Peterson with Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Tycho Peterson

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Congrats on the quarter. I want to probe into price. I don't think I've ever heard you guys use pricing so much on an earnings call. So maybe talk a little bit about what you're expecting on pricing this year, where you're seeing the greatest ability to push price? And are you not all concerned about pharma pushing back on pricing, and that does seem to be one of the things we're talking about in response to tariffs is leading on their own suppliers.

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. So look, I mean, Q1, we did 200 basis points of like-for-like price. As you know, we don't include upsell in our price embedded in our previous guide and also in this guide is excluding tariffs, 200 basis points of like-for-like pricing gains. Now we are doing selective surcharges associated with tariffs and they are going to contribute about $15 million or 50 basis points incremental to this 200 basis points of like-for-like pricing gains, and that is embedded in our revised guide.

Udit Batra

Management

Right. And in terms of your second part – the second part of your question on pushback from pharma. Look, I mean, we've had very close collaboration with our customers. As far as the 200 basis points on innovative products is concerned, I mean, that's always sort of welcome if you're introducing new products. As far as the tariff surcharge is concerned, that's been conversation – that's been conversations with one-by-one with customers, and we track the stick rate on a daily basis. And I would say between 80% to 90% customers have fully understood what we're trying to do with 10%, you have to have a debate and explain the reasons why and what parts but we're very confident on both the $200 million on the – driven by the product differentiation and the additional 50 basis points that is a surcharge due to the tariffs.

Tycho Peterson

Analyst

Okay. And then a follow-up on India. This has obviously been a nice growth driver. You've got some tailwinds heading into 2026 with Semaglutide moving over there. How do you think about maybe longer-term risks around that business with manufacturing moves more onshoring? Do you think that what you're seeing there is sustainable?

Udit Batra

Management

Yes, it's a good question, Tycho. Look, I mean, just like the innovative pharma industry, generics have a strong role to play in relieving funding for reinvestment in innovation. And India has played a strong role in supplying genetics to the rest of the world, like our large pharma customers, Indian generics companies also have global footprints, right? And they're in a very straightforward way able to reshore in other geographies. None of them have initiated any of those discussions. But I think if at all, there are tariffs, they will again look at the same levers that we have or large pharma companies have including supply chain adjustments, and we're ready and we have the best relationships with them to help them navigate through it. Now that said, the results in India, again, were close to 20% constant currency growth, and we're extremely proud of the team in India that is taking our new innovative products and really embedding them in the generics value chain.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Puneet Souda with Leerink. Please go ahead.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

Yes. Hi, Udit, Amol, Caspar, thanks for taking my questions here. First one on the tariffs and supply chain realignment side. Can you elaborate on what's already completed and what remains to be in terms of supply chain realignment in terms of Wilmslow, Singapore versus U.S. and what remains to be optimized? And then is – are the LCs and mass specs affected by the IP domiciling and transfer pricing issues that affect the API for the drugs – or are you largely not impacted from that? And I have a follow-up? Thank you.

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. So Puneet, a couple of things. I'd like, look, our gross impact is $45 million. And most of that shows up in the second half of the year, primarily because in Q2, you have some inventory, but our teams did an excellent job of bringing more inventory and stockpiling before the deadlines. And that partly is also the reason why the cost associated with that was the drug on our Q2 gross margins. But then sort of second half is pretty clean and can be extrapolated into the future. Within that, if you say within the $45 million, roughly $15 million is offset with surcharges roughly $14 million is manufacturing cost actions that are largely on the landing mode. I mean, the actions that we have embedded in our guide are pretty much on the landing mode at this point. So we feel pretty comfortable there and roughly $6 million is discretionary spend management. In terms of – your other question on IP and – so it does affect, right, because at the end of the day, where you are manufacturing, you have an IP there. So you are bringing the product into another domicile at a certain transfer price. You can't change those transfer prices very easily without sort of moving the IP in the first place. So the $45 million exposure that we've outlined includes all of that impact in it. Again, there are more moves sort of planned that will go live at the beginning of next year, which will allow us to completely offset the impact as we go into 2026.

Udit Batra

Management

And so Puneet, just one embellishment to what Amol has said. Look, none of this stuff happens automatically. And I think you're used to us reacting rather rapidly to a changing and challenging environment. And many of you had the chance to meet our team at our Investor Day. I mean these are folks who are extremely dedicated to assessing the problems on a daily basis. We meet daily developing solutions and implementing them rapidly. And we continue that cadence on a daily basis, and I'm extremely thankful to the dedication of the team to be able to offset 35 out of the 45 gross rose $35 million impact – $45 million impact that we saw for the full-year.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

That's great. Thanks for all the details. My follow-up is, I mean, you're indeed outperforming significantly versus the peers. And that comes to the differentiation of what Waters is, its products, the quality and where it's situated in the pharma servicing the pharma customers. I'm wondering, can you talk – take a minute and talk about how the pharma customers in the U.S. and Europe versus the pharma customers in India are thinking about in this macro environment, I think the questions are still about the second half and the confidence of these pharma customers and your positioning there that helps you gives you the confidence to raise the guide and see outperformance in the second half as well. Maybe could you elaborate a bit on that? Because obviously, we're not seeing this from the rest of the industry.

Udit Batra

Management

Puneet, thank you for the question and the opportunity to comment on this rather important topic. Look, what does – as you know, it positioned extremely well downstream in high-volume applications where regulations are key. And we've made that our home. We've been executing in that domain extremely well. Now we're at the beginning of the replacement cycle, which helps our instrument growth. And you saw double-digit instrument growth already in Q1 – we're not seeing any slowdown in replacement discussions with our large pharma customers, our genetics customers or our CDMO customers, all of which are continuing to grow in mid-teens, right? So we grew in pharma high single-digit. These three segments are growing in the double digits, right? So driving the growth and they're a large part of the story is the replacement cycle. Now as you look at each of these different segments I commented earlier as well, not only is the funnel strong, the conversations are extremely strong. And as they think about navigating the complex macro environment, they are talking to us about changing of their manufacturing footprint, different supply chain reconfigurations. And given our relationships with these customers, we stand to benefit from it. And that gives us the confidence to raise the full-year guide given the outperformance in Q1. Pharma is a large part of that story and our downstream presence, our innovation, which is meeting these unmet needs, the focus on idiosyncratic growth drivers like GLP-1 testing, like the India generics outperformance, like the focus on biologics is all helping. So really excited about what we're seeing from our customers and their focus on ensuring that they play a strong role in getting safe medicines to people and we have a strong role to play there.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Catherine Schulte with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Catherine Schulte

Analyst

Hey guys. Thanks for the questions. Maybe just what are your expectations for China for the balance of the year? Are you seeing any hesitation in customer spend there? And then what are your latest assumptions for stimulus?

Udit Batra

Management

Good morning, Catherine. And thank you for the question. Look, China came in ahead of expectations, around 5% growth for the first quarter. And this was driven by a strong performance in stimulus-related opportunities in the academic and government segment, where – we're benefiting from our wider distribution as well as the localized footprint and equally benefiting from our TA portfolio, which did extremely well in the battery testing arena, right? So A&G actually came in double digits for China for the start of the year. Now as we look at the balance of the year, we've assumed that China basically remained stable at a low single-digit growth. So we've just taken it down from the 5% growth in Q1. We've assumed that it is low single-digit growth. And any wins in the balance of the stimulus would be considered upside, right? So basically low single-digit for the balance of the year, even with a strong start for the year. So a bit of prudence built in there.

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. I mean Q1 was consistent, right, even if you exclude the stimulus, we were relatively flat and we have a strong local presence that is executing really well on not just the stimulus, but the broader business, which reflects in our overall number.

Catherine Schulte

Analyst

Great. And then maybe a follow-up on reshoring. How do you think about that as a potential tailwind? And how long after some of these capacity announcements do you typically see the demand start coming for your products? I know you said it isn't in 2025 guidance, but just curious how you think that rolls out from a cadence perspective?

Udit Batra

Management

So Catherine, it's early days. I mean, these are just being announced. We're in close conversation with all our customers. Nobody yet has detailed plans on exactly what they're going to do. And as they emerge, we expect to play a strong role given that our focus is and it remains on late stage or marketed compounds, which is where a lot of these capacity expansions will come to support existing products, right? So we feel very confident about our position, but it's early days. There's not a lot of detail on exactly where these manufacturing facilities going to be put up across the U.S.

Amol Chaubal

Management

And just having a service organization with the best NPS scores really puts us in a driver's seat, right? Because they are part of all these conversations around tech transfers and site movements. But as Udit alluded, like none of this has converted into orders. None of this is in our guidance.

Udit Batra

Management

And Amol's point is an excellent one. Look, I mean the service team is the first one to find out when you're opening up a new manufacturing site, customers want to be sure that the software is transferred appropriately. The methods are transported appropriately and the new products that the new instruments that they purchase really have sync up with the software as well as with their other sites. So when – if and when it starts, we will be one of the first to find out.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Sung Ji Nam with Scotia Bank. Please go ahead.

Sung Ji Nam

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll just ask one, it’s a multi-parter on academic, especially U.S. academic. Obviously, it's a very small portion of your revenue. But could you remind us kind of what is the latest number for that in terms of your exposure? And then also curious kind of what you're seeing on the ground currently. Are you actually seeing meaningful weakness from your customer base? And then lastly, with all the structural changes that are being proposed, are there opportunities for Waters to kind of actually take advantage in terms of future opportunities in academic, especially in U.S. academic? Thank you.

Udit Batra

Management

I'll start and then I'll pass it on to Amol. Look, you're right, in academia and government is the smallest end market for us. So we're not really reflective of exactly what's going on in that segment as many of our peers might be. The U.S. portion of that is roughly 3-ish percent. Now ironically, the start to the year was excellent, right? That segment grew double digits, driven by PFAS testing and Department of Defense orders, right? So starting the year with a double-digit growth. But as Amol pointed out in the prepared remarks, we have assumed a significant decline for the balance of the year, right. The year started with double-digit growth. But for the rest of the year, we've said is going to go down by 20%. Amol, do you want to build?

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. No. I mean, look, Q1 was double-digit growth for rest of the year. I mean it's a full-year $90 million or rest of the year, $70 million business for us, a really small in grand scheme of things. We've run a meaningful haircut of $15 million to it, which is assuming the rest of the year is minus 20%. It's prudent. It's just derisking, and we'll see how it plays out?

Sung Ji Nam

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Brandon Couillard with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Brandon Couillard

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Did the PFAS business thing to really accelerate quite a bit here in the quarter, clocking a new high up 90%. Is there any timing benefit in that growth rate? What are you assuming for the year? And maybe just unpack that acceleration a little bit for us?

Udit Batra

Management

Yes. So really happy with the performance on PFAS testing, Brandon, and thanks for the question. Look, we've gone from strength to strength. I'll remind you that for the last two years, that business has grown 40% each year. So it's not a one-quarter phenomenon. And this quarter, it grew 90% across the food and environmental segment, but also academia, especially in the United States. We did not see any semblance of a pull forward on that, right. Our Xevo TQ Absolute remains the instrument of choice and the funnel is extremely strong on the food and environmental side in – for the balance of the year, not just in the U.S. but in other geographies. And recently, the – despite sort of move towards deregulation across many different segments, PFAS has the opposite trend going for it, right? So on April 28th, the EPA announced 21 measures to combat PFAS pollution. So this includes, of course, aligning PFAS across many agencies, but in no small part, limiting the affluent PFAS in affluence for metal finishers and other customers. And equally, ramping up the development of testing methods to improve detection and strategies to address PFAS, right? So this is not a onetime event, and we're seeing even more focus from the EPA on implementing regulations and asking for even better detection methods. And the reason I went on that diatribe is to illustrate the need for the most sensitive instrument in the industry, and that's where the TQ Absolute continues to do extremely, extremely well.

Brandon Couillard

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And to follow-up – the balance sheet is in great shape. Net debt is down to back where it was through Wyatt acquisition. What's your appetite for another $1 billion-plus deal or maybe even something more transformative? And do you expect the macro volatility to actually lead to more assets becoming available perhaps in more attractive valuations? Thanks.

Udit Batra

Management

So Brandon, thanks for the question. Look, Wyatt is a poster child for an acquisition. The strategic fit has been excellent, and it's played out exactly like we thought. It has helped us build our bioanalytical business, which we want to continue to build on. Second, we committed to taking light scattering into QA/QC. As of this morning, we announced that light scattering is now compatible. That is the Wyatt instruments are compatible with Empower which allows our customers and many of whom have been talking to us about this, to take light scattering into QA/QC basically post haste. So this is a significant opportunity. Now don't ask me to quantify it. I will not do it today and we will look at the facts after the sales are consummated. But extremely excited about what we've seen with Wyatt. And yes, if we find other acquisitions like Wyatt, there are several in the pipeline and valuations have become a lot more reasonable, we would go for it. But again, as Amol as said many, many times, if the strategic fit and the financials don't make sense, we will resume our share buybacks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Vijay Kumar

Analyst

Hi, Udit and Amol. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a nice sprint here. Maybe on instruments here, Q1 very pleased with double-digit growth. Your prior guidance I think, assume something like 4% to 5% to hit the midpoint of the guidance. Is your instrument outlook changing? How should we think about 2Q and balance of the year on instrument growth?

Udit Batra

Management

So Vijay, good morning and thank you for the question. Yes, I mean, a great start to the year with instruments, double-digit growth, both LC and mass spec in the mid-teens – when you look at the guidance for the balance of the year, look, we've raised it, but it's basically 5% to 7%. And the guidance philosophy has not really changed. Recurring revenues basically take in the high end of the guidance of 6% to 7%. And for the balance of the year, we don't see any issues with the number of days in the quarter, right? So it should land between 6% and 7%. In fact, there's an extra day in the fourth quarter, if I'm not wrong. So 6% to 7% on the high end, bringing in the high-end, which is 60% of the business. Instruments, we are still assuming roughly 5-ish percent, right. In such a dynamic environment, we think we will get constructive as the year goes along, right. Great start, good funnel, both LC and mass spec doing well with the replacement cycle fully underway, new products making a difference, idiosyncratic growth drivers doing what they're supposed to do and according to our prediction, but we still want to have sufficient level of prudence in the guide. So we've assumed roughly 4% to 5% instrument growth for the balance of the year.

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. I mean largely unchanged for rest of the year other than the meaningful downsizing of U.S. A&G.

Vijay Kumar

Analyst

That's helpful. Then maybe one quick follow-up on Amol view. Share count assumptions went up a tad versus prior guidance. Curious why no buyback assumptions within the guide?

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. I mean it's net neutral versus the previous guide. We took down our interest expense assumptions, and we took up our share count assumptions. But when you net the two, it's net neutral on EPS.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Matt Sykes with Goldman. Please go ahead.

Matthew Sykes

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just the first one, sort of a high-level question for you, Udit. When you look at sort of the commercial exposure you have, is clearly where you want to be in this current market environment. But just given all the challenges we're seeing sort of more upstream and research, given your lower levels of exposure there, does this make you want to take advantage of the environment to perhaps invest a little bit more in upstream, either organically or inorganically or are you fairly content with remaining sort of commercial for this time being, just given the macro uncertainty?

Udit Batra

Management

I think Matt, firstly, good morning. We're very happy with our commercial exposure as you pointed out. And I think the fact that we have high-volume applications in a recurring setting, which are regulated, I mean, plays to our strength. And there's a lot to do here, right? I mean there's a lot more to do with the hand that we have rather than thinking about the hand we should have or we should get. So many examples, right? I mean this morning, we announced that we are taking light scattering into QA/QC with Empower. I mean, several of you asked that question in the past, and we are finally here. There's a lot more to do there, right? We want to continue to develop new products that go and fit into QA/QC with Empower as our primary highway to do so. When you look at instruments, right? I mean I think back when I joined the company five years ago, people said, where the LC is a commoditized segments, especially for small molecules. Well, you introduce Alliance iS customers respond to innovation. Look at TQ Absolute, right. I mean the most sensitive mass spec in the industry and that's benefiting from the PFAS testing. So there's a lot to do where we are and our focus remains squarely on high-volume applications. And equally not to lose focus on battery testing on clinical, there's a lot to do here, Matt. So not really getting distracted with other areas at this point.

Matthew Sykes

Analyst

Thank you. And then just a follow-up. Just on services, it came in a little bit lighter than what we were expecting. Is this just a natural output of just having a very high instrument placement growth?

Amol Chaubal

Management

Yes. I mean, look, we had two less days. So that accounts for roughly 2% lower growth. But then we also had lower purchases of parts from third-party service providers, people who also service our instruments, and that was a little bit of the drag on our service revenue for the quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of Dan Arias with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Daniel Arias

Analyst

Thanks for your questions, guys. Can you just touch on TA for the quarter, 1% growth was a bit lower than I think where the Street was, but industrial was up, what are the moving parts that gets you from one to the other and then what's going on from a product and customer standpoint? And then along those lines, what's the outlook on the cyclical side of the business for the year.

Udit Batra

Management

Yes. Look, so Dan, generally very pleased with TA overall, right? I mean it's a heavy instrument business, so it can be quite lumpy. But that said, we did extremely well on battery testing, especially out of China, which grew double digits. The U.S. came in a bit lighter than we had initially hoped, but that is basically timing of different orders. So really pleased with where the TA business is. And again, this morning, we announced a couple of new launches in the TA business, focused on polymer testing, material testing and equally on helping our battery testing customers. So very happy in general with that business. I think it's just lumpy, and so you see it go up and down quarter-on-quarter. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

Daniel Arias

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. And just as a follow-up, and I realize this is getting pretty specific, but is there anything that you can say about mass spec in biopharma? And the reason I asked just because very clear that PFAS is helping LC-MS pretty significantly. So just kind of curious what the market for instrumentation beyond LC looks like if you look at your core biopharma markets?

Udit Batra

Management

Yes, it's a great question, and thank you for the opportunity to comment on it. If you come up with a sensitive instrument that is easy to use and customers like it, of course, there are benefits in other segments. And the drug metabolism segment is one such segment. But historically, Waters has not had a strong presence largely due to limitations in our software. We worked very hard on improving the waters_connect software to make it simple to use, to make it reliable from a regulatory standpoint and several customers are testing that. And so we're starting to see some traction in the DMPK segment. Both in large pharma, but equally in midsized CROs, right. And I will stop there and not comment on it anymore for competitive reasons. But that said, very happy with what the team has been doing in taking a highly sensitive instrument, not just for PFAS testing into drug metabolism for pharma and also into clinical where mass spec is starting to play an increasingly important role in diagnostic testing.

Operator

Operator

Our final question will come from Dan Brennan with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Dan, your line is open. Please feel free to unmute.

Daniel Brennan

Analyst

Sorry about that. Can you hear me? Apologies. Udit, I think you got this question earlier, but I just wanted to go back to it a bit if you could. Just what are you seeing from pharma now, like as they contemplate possible tariffs later in the year? Are they trying to accelerate orders now? Is that a benefit maybe in the first half of the year? I think you didn't see – I think you said you didn't see any impact in the first quarter to Jack's questions. Just wondering if there's any kind of change in activity, what you're seeing from that customer base?

Udit Batra

Management

So same as I said Dan, earlier, no change at all, right. I mean, this is basically driven by the replacement cycle. The growth is driven by the replacement cycle, traction of Alliance iS and we can go customer by customer and seeing significant benefit of our downstream presence and that, of course, gets compounded if you look at our focus on GLP-1 testing, look at generics, look at the growth in CDMOs. So customers that are downstream that have high volume applications are continuing to replace instruments. This is across generics, CDMOs and pharma, which is over 75% of our Pharma sales. So no real pull forward that we can see.

Daniel Brennan

Analyst

Great. And then just beyond QA/QC part of the portfolio, excuse me, because you talked about mid-teens growth and the rest of the pharma a little bit slower. Just what's happening like discovery and development, even though it's a smaller part of the business? Just wondering what you're seeing there? Thank you.

Udit Batra

Management

So continued pressure, Dan, I mean, like we also commented earlier, continued pressure on biotech, on drug discovery and pharma research. And I think these are segments probably that will recover down the line. But for now, we see continued pressure on those segments. So drug discovery, pharma research and CROs, all three are still under pressure. But again, I'll remind you that's less than 20% of our overall business, our overall pharma business.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes the Q&A portion of the call. I will now hand it back to Caspar Tudor.

Caspar Tudor

Management

Thank you, Leila. I will hand it over to Udit to deliver our closing remarks.

Udit Batra

Management

Thank you again for joining us on the call today. We had a wonderful start to the year, thanks to the focus on downstream high-volume applications driven by the momentum in the replacement cycle, game-changing new products as well as our idiosyncratic growth drivers. I want to thank our team who has risen yet again to meet another set of challenges, solving problems on a daily basis, collaborating closely with each other and with our customers, coming up with creative solutions in real-time and implementing them with excellence. Thank you for supporting Waters and the indomitable spirit of our colleagues.

Caspar Tudor

Management

This concludes our call. We look forward to connecting with many of you at upcoming events and conferences.