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Washington Trust Bancorp, Inc. (WASH)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 26, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Washington Trust Bancorp, Inc’s Conference Call. My name is Gresh and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions] Today's call is being recorded. And now I will turn the call over to Elizabeth B. Eckel, Senior Vice President, Chief Marketing and Corporate Communications Officer. Ms. Eckel you many begin.

Elizabeth B. Eckel

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Washington Trust Bancorp, Inc.'s third quarter conference call. Hosing today's call are members of Washington Trust's executive team, Ned Handy, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mark Gim, President and Chief Operating Officer; Ron Ohsberg, Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer; and Bill Wray, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Risk Officer. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements and actual results could differ materially from what is discussed on today's call. Our complete safe harbor statement is contained in the earnings press release which was issued yesterday and in other documents we filed with the SEC. These materials and all public filings are available in our Investor Relations site at ir.washtrust.com. Washington Trust trades on NASDAQ under the symbol WASH. And now I'm pleased to introduce the host for today's call, Washington Trust Chairman and CEO, Ned Handy.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Thank you, Beth. Good morning and thank you for joining our third quarter call. We appreciate your continued interest in Washington Trust and hope all is well with you as we all continue to navigate the best and safest ways forward. I'll provide an overview of our third quarter highlights and then Ron Ohsberg will review our financial performance. After our prepared remarks, Mark Gim and Bill Wray will join us to answer any questions you may have about the quarter. I am pleased to report that Washington Trust posted strong third quarter results with net income of $18.8 million, or $1.07 per diluted share. We had a strong quarter. We hit record highs and net interest income, wealth management revenues, assets under management and total in-market deposits in the quarter. We continue to believe that the Rhode Island market presents us an opportunity to add physical presence in addition to digital advances, to leverage our brand and bring our distinctive level of care to more Rhode Islanders conveniently. I am proud of the team's continued efforts on growth combined with their high degree of care for our customers as they too work their way through this uncertain stage in the pandemic. We continue to feel optimistic about how we and our customers are managing the pandemic. And we acknowledge that the need for informed care, thoughtful decision-making and an empathetic approach to finding the optimum work and life balance is still critical to see our way through these trying times. We strive to keep what is the safest for everyone and what is best for our customers at the center of our thinking. The economies, in which we operate are faring better and in the midst of the pandemic. The students back in school, restaurants open, gyms open and…

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst

Thank you, Ned. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us on our call today. As Ned mentioned, net income was $18.8 million or a $1.7 per diluted share for the third quarter as compared to $17.5 million and $1 per share for the second quarter. Net interest income amounted to $36.1 million up by $1.3 million or 4%. The net interest margin was 2.58%, up by three basis points. Net interest income continued to benefit from accelerated fee income recognition due to PPP forgiveness, which totaled $2 million and had a 13 basis point benefit to the margin. This compared to 1,000,007 basis points in the second quarter. Additionally, there were no commercial loan prepayments in the third quarter compared to $717,000 of prepayment fees in the second quarter, which was five basis points. Excluding the impact of these items the margin increased from 2.40% to 2.45%. Average earning assets increased by $69 million with increases of $42 million in average loans and $16 million in average investment securities. The yield on earning assets was 2.85% for the third quarter unchanged on the previous quarter. On the funding side, average in market deposits rose by $108 million, while wholesale funding sources decreased by $79 million, the rate and interest bearing liabilities declined by 3 basis points to 0.35%. Non-interest income comprised 36% of total revenues in the third quarter and month to $20.5 million, down by $73,000 from the preceding quarter. Wealth management revenues were $10.5 million, up by $27,000, this included an increase in asset based revenues, which were up by $233,000 or 2% offset by a decrease in transaction revenues of $206,000 due to a decline in seasonal tax reporting and preparation fees. The increase in asset based revenues correlated with an increase in the average…

Ned Handy

Analyst

Thank you, Ron. This was another strong quarter for Washington Trust and we feel well positioned heading into the final quarter of the year. By now Ron and Mark and Bill and I are happy to take any questions you might have.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today will come from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Good morning.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Hey Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

First question I had for you, I heard Ned your comments about the mortgage business, perhaps normalizing. Do you feel like in a more traditional environment this is maybe a $25 million or $27 million revenue kind of business? Or does, when things normalizes, do revenues fall more precipitously than that do you think?

Ned Handy

Analyst

I'm going to turn that to Mark for comments. Mark, he is closest to it, but I think – I think we'll probably bottom out at somewhere higher than, than our pre-pandemic levels just based on the volume that we've been generating of late.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst

Yeah. So Mark, this is Ron. So we have $15 million in mortgage revenue in 2019. If you annualize what we just did in the third quarter that works out to about $25.5 million, that feels like it's probably still higher than where it's going to end up. So with – it's going to be somewhere, I think between that $15 million and the $25 million that we're at currently. Is that $20 million? I think it's hard to say. And Mark Gim, I don't know if you have any color you want to add to that.

Mark Gim

Analyst

I do. And thanks for those preceding comments, Ned and Ron. Mark, I think if we look back to where we entered the pandemic in 2020, we had a mortgage pipeline somewhere just below the $200 million range. And from a mixed standpoint, I think certainly the run up in longer term interest rates will have an impact first on the conventional saleable refinance business. And so depending on whether or not inflation expectations continue to be high, if the pipeline were to decline in relative terms, it would probably be more on the saleable side than on the portfolio side. However, as Ned said in his comments, we think the housing markets in Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island remain pretty robust. And so mortgage pipeline for retention of portfolio mortgages for reasons of size, for example, jumbo should still continue to be strong. So it's very broad guidance that Ron gave, but somewhere between pre-pandemic levels and an annualized level of sales gains would be likely with interest rates and the housing market where we see them now. Is that helpful?

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

It is very helpful. Thank you. And also, I guess I was curious as you think about the margin, you guys were, performed a little better maybe than you thought you were going to last quarter. How are you thinking about the outlook for the margin today? Do you still have some ability to drive those funding costs lower?

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst

Yeah. There's not much left there, Mark. So I would say we'll probably see some pressure on asset yields, so yeah, we did do a little better in the third quarter than, than we guided. But I would say, the guidance we gave before is kind of consistent with the guidance we're giving now. I would say we trend closer to 2.40 in the fourth quarter.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then last question, I guess I was curious about; it looks like you've got about $1.6 billion in loans in Massachusetts and no branches there. Is that a missed opportunity to maybe sell other products and services to those loan customers and is that in the cards for you all to open some branches in Massachusetts and thank you?

Ned Handy

Analyst

Yes. Mark, do you want a comment on that?

Mark Gim

Analyst

Yes, I would. Mark, we continue to try to figure out the best way to improve deposit gathering and markets where we have less of a fiscal presence like Connecticut or no fiscal presence in Massachusetts. And we have been successful on a preliminary basis in introducing some programs where if we are able to get deposits from customers, for example, who are jumbo mortgage customers in Massachusetts and service them primarily digitally we've been successful in gathering some of those amounts of tricks is to of course, keep and build on them. And I think in the remote markets where we don't have a current branch presence, it's more likely that we would try to broaden our digital offerings to those customers than to open branches de novo. It's primarily because it's a hard market to get into de novo and you'd have to either open several at one time or perhaps look for opportunities through M&A and branch divestiture. So I'd say at the current time, our plans are more, and if there are physical opening presence opportunities, they're probably going to be more profitable faster in Rhode Island than they would be in Mass and Connecticut. And so we may look to a combination of digital and or M&A to broaden that. Our client service – our customer service center is our outreach part of the digital offering program and has been, we think successful in servicing some of those remote customers.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Thank you.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Thanks Mark.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Damon DelMonte with KBW. Please go ahead.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Hey, good morning guys. Hope everybody's doing well today.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Good morning, Damon.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Good morning. First question regarding loan growth and kind of the outlook; Ned, can you just give us a little bit of insight as to how you think the paydown activity's going to play out here in the back half of the year? I mean, originations have been strong; you've just been offset by the elevated pay downs. Do you think that's slowing at all and you can start to show some net growth in the coming quarters.

Ned Handy

Analyst

I would say certainly slowing in Q4 versus Q3 is our expectation. Q3, we had a pretty big payoff quarter. The story continues to be somewhat the same. We're lending the high quality borrowers who are able to take advantage of long-term financing opportunities or sales at continuing low cap rates. And so I think while rates stay low, our type of customer will keep taking advantage of cycling money in and out of deals. And we try to put prepayment penalties or success fees in place, but that's a pretty early thing to be negotiated away by competition in the market. So that's a little bit difficult. But I think certainly as rates – if rates take up a little bit that may put some pressure in cap rates and might make it less enticing. We in terms of scheduled payoffs, we think the number's a little lower in Q4. I'm happy with credit formation. I'd like to see more. We continue to look at the possibilities of adding lenders and growing organic that way. And we think there's opportunity with some of the noise in Connecticut and in Massachusetts; we think there may be some opportunities to add lenders. But I think for the time being, we don't see it as an opportune time to change our risk tolerances. We think we're playing in the right place and we're on the pavement constantly fighting it out on the street corner to win, hopefully more than our fair share of deals. And we'll – I've said it before Damon, and I'll say it again, I'd rather be paid off early in real estate than late. So I like the quality of the deals we're getting involved in and I think we'll keep on that path.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Got it. Okay. That's good color. Thank you. And then on the C&I side, in line utilization; where does that stand in the third quarter and how does that compare to the second quarter?

Ned Handy

Analyst

Yes. We have a pretty small universe of corporate lines. They're down by $17 million in the quarter, down a little bit on a percentage basis. But that's not going to have a major impact on the numbers either way. I expect that utilization will come back to sort of normal levels. That really most of that I believe was in one large line that paid down at quarter end. So it's really – there are so few lines it's hard to think of that as being a major mover.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then just I guess my last question on expenses Ron, anything unique that we should consider going forward, or do you think this mid $32 million range is a reasonable run rate going forward?

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst

Yes, I think that's fine for Q4 Damon. I mean, we're just starting our budgeting process for 2022. So, I'm not really ready to talk about that yet. You guys are all aware that we're seem to be entering an inflationary period. So, we'll kind of have to think about how that might affect our run rate going forward. So, not quite at that point yet to talk about that.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. That's all that I had. Thanks a lot.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Thanks Damon.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Erik Zwick with Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Good morning Eric.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Hi, Eric

Mark Gim

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Eric.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Just to follow-up on that last question, I realize you are still in the planning process for 2022 with expenses and I guess the planning process for the whole organization, but as we think about the new branch in Cumberland, that's going to come online next year, what is the expected timing in terms of the quarter that you expect to open that, and any estimates on that, the annual cost for that branch?

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes, Mark, I don't know if you can talk about the timing Erik the typical cost of a branch for us on a full year basis is about $650,000.

Mark Gim

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Right. And from a timing perspective, Eric, we're thinking late second quarter, perhaps the end of the second quarter of 2022.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. And then transitioning back to the discussion on loans, thinking about it, maybe a different way, Ned in your comments, opening comments, you mentioned that the pipeline is relatively strong today. I wonder if any of you are able to provide any detail in terms of the construction of that in terms of type of as well as what the average yield is in the pipeline and how that might compare to existing loan portfolio yield.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes, I would say the pipeline is not at its high point, it's in the mid one, it's like 150-ish. There's a good portion of that that's in construction loans, like nearly half of it. And it's tilted towards three at this point in time. I think just based on loans coming on in the quarter versus loans being paid off, the loans coming on were a little favorable from a yield perspective. So, I think, some of the high-quality year ago, two-year ago, vintage stuff was priced a little lower than what's coming on today. We're getting a little bit of incremental yield. So, I feel good about that from a margin standpoint. We did have a fair amount of closing in September itself. So, the pipeline got a little emptied out. I expect that it will build back up. It's kind of hovered in the $175 million to $200 million range. I expect that we'll get back there. And one thing that, I think, we're experiencing a little bit is construction loans are funding a little slower just based on logistics issues. And so, I think, they'll take a little bit longer to reach full funding. But other than that, I feel pretty good about where we are.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

That's a good color. Thank you.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

And then thinking about credit you mentioned at the beginning of the call that you feel the level of the reserve is appropriate today, given the risk in the portfolio and the economic outlook, as we think about provisioning going forward would you expect it now to match net charge offs and growth? Are there other factors to consider at this point?

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes, Eric its Ron. So, we expect credit to remain stable in the absence of a COVID relapse or some other unforeseen economic shock. That said, provision should generally track to loan growth and the economic outlook. So, at least for the short-term foreseeable future it seems to be kind of stable.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks. And one last quick one if I can squeeze it in. I noticed in the pressure release, and you mentioned it several times already, with regard to mortgage loans and what’s been sold your gain on sale margin was up in 3Q and I think a lot of your competitors are seeing a compression there on the margin. So just curious where your advantage might lie, whether it's in the mix that you are selling, or maybe a technological and speed advantage. Just curious if you have got any thoughts on that front.

Mark Gim

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes Eric, this is Mark.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Mark Gim

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

I'll start with that from kind of an operational perspective. And then Ron can go into some of the details. We do think that one of the things that we do very well is speed in process. Time is a huge advantage for everybody in a mortgage transaction, the seller, the buyer, the bank, any referral sources. And so, we have made, we think, good use of additional digital technology to try to speed the turn time from application to close. It's kind of an unsexy thing, but every day that you can shave off the delivery time helps to preserve margin a little bit. Having said that, I think, that we do believe that compared to the high margins of late 2020 margins are returning to a more normal level, perhaps higher than when we ended the pandemic, but it's hard to defend against market trends with internal process improvements alone. But we do think that it is an advantage and an edge for us in execution. Ron, I don’t know if you have anything to add on components of margin in Q3.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Yes. Yes, Mark. So, the only other thing I would add to that is it becomes a little bit of a supply and demand thing. And as volumes are ramping up high you tend to see the yields go up because there's less capacity to process the loans and the pricing pressure – the pricing opportunity gets better. So, we kind of dipped down a little bit in Q2, we rebounded a bit in Q3. I would say we're probably still at a fairly high historical yield. So, we'll see how long we're able to maintain that.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions today.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Sure.

Mark Gim

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Eric.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Laurie Hunsicker with Compass Point, please go ahead.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Yes, hi thanks. Good morning.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Hi, Laurie.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

One thing, Ron, if we could circle back to your comments on fourth quarter margin guide of around 2.40%, stripping out PPP, and obviously there were no prepay fees. So we are at 2.44%, essentially for third quarter. So, four base points of contraction. Can you just help us think a little bit more about that? And I guess, looking into 2022 what potentially you can do to mitigate it, especially given that your cost of funds is so low and there's nothing left in terms of borrowing prepays, at least I think that that was what was in my notes. Just help think about that. And then just one last piece of that. Can you share with us what is remaining in terms of PPP fees that are unamortized? Thanks.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Yes, so I'll answer that second part first its $2.6 million of unamortized PPP.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Great.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

And then as far as just margin itself, I mean, we're going to continue to see some asset yield pressure on our resi book and on our mortgage securities, as those pay down that the legacy yields are higher and they are being replaced by lower yielding assets. So that's really the main story there. I think we've done a nice job of bringing down our funding costs through both deposit growth and just kind of reprising our wholesale funding book down. Not a lot of opportunity left there with that. So that's kind of where we are. I wouldn't expect to see lots of big moves within the margin, but I would say the overall trend over the next few quarters would probably be lower than where we are right now.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Okay. That's helpful. And then obviously your credit is looking pretty esteem [ph] a bit, just wondered if you could help us think, it looks like on the hotel side, your hotel loan balances have gone up from, what's been previously $150 million to $160 million, you are now $199 million. Are you adding to your hotel book? And then just any color you can give us the $38 million in deferrals how of that is hotel? Thanks.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

So, we did make one new hotel loan in Newport on a very favorable loan to value a property that had just been renovated and with a customer we know. But I will tell you Laurie that we're not out canvassing for new hotel loans otherwise. So that was a rare opportunity. Bill, I don't know if you've got specifics on that, or Ron on the five remaining deferrals in terms of whether they are hotels in there.

Bill Wray

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Yes, there's one hotel, one healthcare, one retail.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Okay.

Bill Wray

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Basically, three relationships.

Ron Ohsberg

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Hotel is just under $10 million.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Okay, great. Thanks. And then, do you have an average LTV on your hotel book? Or if not, I can follow-up with you offline.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Bill I don't have if you…

Bill Wray

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Yes, we'll have to do that offline to give you what the latest numbers are. The numbers we looked at last time across the portfolio if I remember right, were in the mid-50s. And we tend to underwrite these very carefully, but we should do an offline follow-up.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Okay, great. And then just one last question, I appreciate the 22% tax rate guide for fourth quarter. How should we be thinking about the tax rate in 2022?

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Yes, it's going to be approximately what we're seeing this year I’d like, say 22%.

Laurie Hunsicker

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Great, thanks. I’ll leave it there.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Sure.

Ned Handy

Analyst · Compass Point, please go ahead.

Thanks, Laurie.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Ned Handy for any closing remarks.

Ned Handy

Analyst

Well, thank you all for joining us this morning. We do appreciate your continued interest. And hope all is well with you and continues that way. And we will talk to you all soon. And Lori we will come back to you.

Mark Gim

Analyst

Have a great day everybody.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.