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Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 18, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Wabtec Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Release Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Tim Wesley, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Timothy R. Wesley

Management

Thank you, Alison. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to our 2015 fourth quarter earnings conference call. Let me introduce the others in the room here with me; our Executive Chairman, Al Neupaver; Ray Betler, our President and CEO; Pat Dugan, our CFO; and John Mastalerz, our Corporate Controller. We will be taking your questions but first, we'll make some prepared remarks, as usual. And of course, during today's call, we will make some forward-looking statements, so we ask that you please review today's press release for the appropriate disclaimers. Al, go ahead.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Hey, thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone. In the fourth quarter, we had a good performance, record earnings and strong cash flow, despite ongoing headwinds in some of our markets and a sluggish global economy. As a result of the strong finish to the year, we posted full-year records for sales, earnings and cash flow, and we ended the year with a backlog of more than $2.1 billion. In particular, our cash generation was excellent in 2015, with cash flow from operations of $448 million for the year, exceeding net income by 12%. The business is performing well, thanks to our diversified business model, our strategic growth initiatives, our dedicated employees and the power of our Wabtec Performance System. Now, that's not say we were immune to the challenges that we're all facing, probably in every transportation and industrial company these days. But I do want to emphasize that we have managed through many cycles over the years and we have the business model and the ability to do so in the future. Today, we issued 2016 guidance for the first time. As you might expect, because it's early in the year and because of the current macro uncertainties, we think it's very prudent to take a conservative approach to guidance. Our full-year earnings per diluted share are expected to be between $4.30 and $4.50, with revenues flat to slightly up for the year. The midpoint of this EPS range represents growth of 7.3% compared to 2015. This guidance does not include our pending acquisition of Faiveley Transport and any related expense. I will talk more about Faiveley in a minute. The guidance assumes the following. Slow growth in the global economy taking into account current conditions in all of our key markets. Any revenue growth for the year will come…

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Okay. Thanks, Al. Let's start with some general comments about the global economy. As stated in the third quarter call and as Al just repeated a couple of minutes ago, we think sluggish is a good way to describe the economy in general. Lower commodity prices continue to have a negative effect on a number of transportation and industrial markets, and we can't predict when that will change. The North America market is seeing lower rail volumes due in part to reduced shipments of coal and other commodities such as metals, minerals and oil. As China's growth has slowed, that has led to reduced demand for natural resources in places like Brazil and Australia. In energy, low oil prices have reduced the number of drilling rigs in the U.S. Some of these headwinds could represent secular changes in our markets and some may also be recessionary. But either way, we have reacted and will continue to react to these changes. Over the years, Wabtec has proven that it can perform because it has a diversified business model and because we remain focused on what we do control and that is our costs, improving those and aggressively pursuing our growth strategies. So, let's talk about cost reductions. I'll talk about growth initiatives in just a minute, but on the cost reduction side, we have programs in place. As is always the case, some of our business units compete in markets that are growing, while others are in markets where overall demand is more challenging. That's not unusual. We are well equipped to respond to these market conditions. In this case, we have taken the following steps. We have reduced total employment by more than 5% in the fourth quarter and we will continue to adjust, as necessary, our employment levels going…

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Sure. Thanks, Ray. Sales for the fourth quarter were $833 million, about 1.5% higher than the last year's quarter. You have to consider that this also includes a negative impact of about $27 million or 3% from changes in foreign exchange rates. Excluding FX, all of our increase came from acquisitions, adding about $45 million. Looking at our segments, freight segment sales increased 4% as acquisitions contributed about $39 million, and that more than offset the negative effect of FX for about $10 million. Transit segment sales decreased 2%, as the negative effect of changes in FX rates about $17 million more than offset growth from our acquisitions, which was about $7 million. For 2016, we expect any revenue growth really to come from the transit segment. Looking at our operating income for the quarter, it was a $151 million or 18.2% of sales. In 2014, our fourth quarter operating margin was a comparable 16.7%, so we continue to find ways to improve our margins. SG&A for the quarter was about $91 million, about $2 million lower than the year ago quarter, and this was due to a couple of factors, a few factors; changes in FX rates, which lowered our expenses as we consolidate our results, internal cost controls and initiatives, and a lower expense for benefits and compensation. I'll also point out that in that line was costs related to the transaction of – and the acquisition of Faiveley about $2 million. Our engineering expense was up slightly as we continue to invest in product development. Amortization was about the same as the prior-year quarter. And our interest expense was $4.2 million, slightly more than the year-ago quarter. In our other expense and income line, I've to point out that we had other income of about $2.4 million…

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Thank you, Pat. Once again, we had a good performance in the fourth quarter and for the full year of 2015. Let's take one more look at 2015. Revenues increased 9% to a record $3.3 billion. Income from operations increased 15% to a record $608 million. EPS increased 13% to a record $4.10, and we ended the year with a backlog of more than $2.1 billion. Looking ahead at 2016, we're anticipating another record year with EPS guidance of between $4.30 and $4.50, with revenues expected to be flat to slightly up. We are pleased with our strategic progress and the long-term growth opportunities we see. We are responding aggressively to the current challenges in some of our markets. We remain excited about our long-term growth prospects, as countries around the world continue to invest in freight rail and passenger transit infrastructure. We continue to benefit from our diverse business model and the Wabtec Performance System, which provides the tools we need to generate cash and reduce costs. We have an experienced management team and a dedicated group of employees that are taking advantage of our growth opportunities and responding to the challenges. With that, we'll be more than happy to answer your questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. And our first question will come from Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Scott H. Group

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Good morning, Scott.

Scott H. Group

Analyst

So, I know you mentioned that you tried to take a conservative approach with the guidance, given some of the uncertainty out there, but with railcar deliveries down 25% and locomotives down 5%, you're still talking about flattish freight revenue for the year. So maybe help us bridge the gap of those declines, and then what's growing to offset that, and why you feel that that's conservative.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Okay. If you take a look at the freight markets, the things that we have – the headwinds that we talked about and, I think, they've been discussed for a number of months, I don't think we need to repeat them. And, I think, Ray gave a pretty good analysis of the impact of that. Offsetting those are things that are growth initiatives. We're still excited about the growth and I think that our comment about we think that we'll get a slight growth out of our PTC train control signaling business is one thing that we feel will continue to grow into the future and provide some of that offsetting growth. If you look at our freight markets, they're not just here in North America and we have opportunities in new markets. Some of those markets are emerging countries, whether it'd be China, India. Ray made a mention of our involvement in Russia. We've got additional projects and even the mining countries that are seeing a slow – some slowness and impact from the commodity crisis, but we have projects that we're working on to grow. So, I think that all said and done, we have headwinds that we're faced with, but we also have a lot of things that we're excited about and been working on as far as growth strategies for a number of years. And hopefully, those are the things that we see will offset those challenges that are real.

Scott H. Group

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. In terms of Faiveley, so maybe just some perspective; is this – is it taking longer than you would have thought to close the deal? And should we be seeing – are there any kind of regulatory risks that we need to be thinking about? And then just kind of separately on Faiveley, if this deal closes around the middle of the year, should we expect kind of a normal kind of quick ramp in earnings accretion in the back half of the year or because of accounting things, is the earnings accretion all likely to really kick in starting in 2017?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Okay. I think that was seven questions. Let's start out. I'm a very patient individual. So, as far as what we thought and how it's occurring, I think that the – our legal group, internal and external, gave us a pretty good indication how long the process would take. Whether we wanted to accept that or not, that's a whole another story. But – so I think we got good counsel and we understood that it's going to take time. When you think about, I think, the question – uncertainty related to the regulatory, we really can't comment on that. What we have said and we continue to say, it's not a matter of if, it's just a matter of when this will close. We have confidence, especially from our legal department and others inside and out, that we have to deal with the regulatory questions, respond to them, and it's just a matter of when this thing gets completed. As far as the impact on this year, we will obviously provide that information at the right time. When the close is imminent, we will definitely have a conference call, we'll explain the one-time costs, we'll explain what we would see from any accretion in the remainder of the year. I think it's premature to do that right now. So, we're going to continue working on the regulatory process. As we stated or anticipated, we could get this done by mid-year and it's just a matter of when and not if.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

And I think, Scott, as far as your question about timing, you know we don't control the timing. But you asked basically, is it unusual, abnormal if you look at the Alstom acquisition and that whole transaction, and then others that are – have occurred recently, I think it's pretty consistent.

Scott H. Group

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, guys. I'll get back in queue.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Okay. Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Allison Poliniak of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Allison A. Poliniak-Cusic

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good morning.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Hi. Good morning.

Allison A. Poliniak-Cusic

Analyst

On your cost reduction activities, was there any impact to Q4 profit and should we sort of think about that for maybe the first quarter, first half of this year as well?

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Allison, it's Pat. So, I mean, our philosophy has always been that we're trying to match the costs that we incur in restructuring and reductions with benefits within the quarter. So, I would say that they're probably not really material to the fourth quarter. And we've obviously targeted these head-count reductions in other areas that we reduce our costs going forward, really in line with – as our revenues are evolving.

Allison A. Poliniak-Cusic

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then, Ray, you talked about, obviously, Positive Train Control, and maybe a more moderate level of growth this year. Just given some of the challenges, obviously in the U.S. today, specifically, is there a risk that that spend could actually go negative this year, since they have a little more leeway with timing?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

No, I don't think so, Allison. I think it's a mixed portfolio, it includes international business, as well as domestic business. I think what most – I think the Class 1s are still very much engaged and very focused on completing the PTC implementation. That's certainly our experience in the day-to-day interaction with our customers, so I don't see that in parallel. We're in the process; we're very close to signing several service agreements, which we told you that would come after we did the OEM portion of the installation. So, we're already started on developing new-generation equipment enhancements and other things. So – and there's going to be productivity improvements that come with the equipment itself. So, I think for all those reasons, we feel pretty good about our guidance on the PTC side.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Yes, I think, Allison, just to add a little bit to what Ray said, I think that what we may see is that now that there is an extension that the Class 1s take a breather and they try now assess what their programs are going to be over the next three years and how they're going to get there, and reassess how this priority lines up with their capital available to spend. So, we can't control that. I think if any effect, it would be that we'd come out of the beginning of the year here maybe a little bit of an impact because of wait-and-see. But as Ray said, I think a big misconception about PTC is that it's a limited product where we sell an onboard computer on locomotives. And maybe we've not done a good enough job to explain. But we vision this train control and signaling as a long-term opportunity and probably growth for many years to come. Our vision with this is that we really feel that we want to work toward creating intelligent trains and have a more automated total system that operates the Class 1s. That would mean less infrastructure for them and it would improve their safety, productivity and efficiencies and reliability. Right now, in addition to the onboard computer, I mean, we offer dispatch systems, we offer back-office servers. We're working on enhancements to these systems related to wireless crossing activation, navigation enhancements, upgrading the computer itself. Keep in mind that this was all based on a computer that I think we would have sourced and developed in 2006, 2007 timeframe. Is that right, Ray? About that timeframe. So that – there's opportunities for upgrade. We're working on fuel management, dispatch movement planning, locomotive data collection, monitoring, diagnostics. And as Ray mentioned, for example, the MRS, we're going to be moving from – we put in a total system that is operating – they're getting all these efficiencies things and we're moving into the maintenance and service portion of that business. So, these all create an opportunity. The worldwide market in signaling is huge, and we're a small player. A lot of that is transit in both Asia and Europe. But it's a $22 billion market. And we want to grow our PTC train control signaling market over time, and when we talk about growth, could there be a quarter where it's less because of capital priorities? Obviously. But there's a lot of things driving our PTC business. And I just want to make sure we clarify that opportunity a little better than we've done in the past.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Yes. And just, Allison, one more thing. Sorry to belabor the PTC issue, but it's something we're very excited about, very focused on. If you look at how long it's taken Class 1s to do their PTC implementation, recall that a lot of transit authorities, again, did not have funding up till now. This FAST Act bill provides funding. Now they virtually have three years to implement their systems. That's from start. So, that's not – that's a very, very compressed period of time for the transit authorities. So, while the Class 1s may extend, prolongate a little bit their investment and their program, the Class 1s really are going to be motivated to get it done.

Allison A. Poliniak-Cusic

Analyst

That's great. Thanks for the color on that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Justin Long from Stephens. Please go ahead.

Justin Long

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Hi, Justin.

Justin Long

Analyst

So, I wanted to ask another one on PTC. You mentioned the service agreements, but could you talk about when you expect those service agreements to start kicking in and contributing to revenue? And would it be fair to say that the margin on those service contracts is more favorable or will be more favorable versus what you've seen on the installed base?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

I think we've talked about the margins before, Justin, as being comparable to the PTC business as a whole. It's good business for us and we think it will continue to be. As far as the timing goes, we're anticipating several of those service agreements to be in place in Q1.

Justin Long

Analyst

Okay, great. And I know the remaining opportunity on PTC is a moving target, but after getting 2015 in the books, could you share your ballpark expectation on the remaining addressable market? Between freight and transit, I mean would it be fair to say that there is at least another $1 billion or so that you could compete for over the next several years?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Let me take that. If you look at the progress that the railroads issued through the AAR, basically they have spent $6 billion out of an estimated $9 billion or $10 billion. I think it's more like $10 billion estimated sale before they get this thing operational. Of the route miles that will be PTC-ready, by the end of 2016, it will be 38% and I'll give you the exact numbers. I'm looking at them. At the end of 2016, 63% of the 22,000 locomotives will be equipped with PTC. Transit adds another 3,000 to that. And I'll talk about transit separate. Half of the employees will be trained and about 87% of the trackside signaling systems will be ready. And 77% of the base station radios will be installed. So, you could realize that up to this point, we have about $1.3 billion of revenue that we've talked about on this whole signaling arena over the last – since I think 2008 is when we might have started reporting, or even a little later than that. So that gives you a relative amount, 80%. I mean, I think it's around $800 million that we have in freight. So, you could get a relative feel for, based on those percentage of completion on what it might be. But that is only one portion of our PTC system. If you look at the transit business, they estimate that they will cost probably about $3.5 billion. And we have about $300 million of revenue over that same timeframe. And if we look at where we think they're at, counting the – they actually put out a publication that showed what transit authorities will be complete in 2016 and estimated it out into 2020 actually. And we're about a third of the way on getting PTC ready on the transit. So, there is a lot of room in those areas and then on top of that is really the opportunity is we want to have enhancements, we want to try to work toward our vision of having this intelligent train, and we have the service agreements that are kicking in.

Justin Long

Analyst

That's all really helpful. Thanks, Al. And I'm going to sneak one more in. You mentioned one of the assumptions in the guidance for this year was flat rail volumes. We've had all the rails report. Most of them have talked about expectations for volumes to take another leg down this year. If the volume outlook is worse than you think – let's just say rail volumes are down 5%, can you talk about the sensitivity in your model in that environment?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Well, the rail volumes have multiple impacts. The first impact is in the aftermarket business that we have. And generally, it's any impact that we have would be proportional to that metric, okay, or that change. But also, what happens when car-loadings come down, the demand for railcars and locomotives could decline. We probably have reflected that type of decline already. I think our estimate is probably aggressive on being flat, but that's how we see it. We read the same reports. We'll see what happens. I just wanted to make sure you knew. Keep in mind, when you develop these plans, doing the plans, I think we start in August, September timeframe, right, Pat? And things change as you go. And these are some of the assumptions that we have, and we want to be open about what those assumptions are.

Justin Long

Analyst

Okay. Great. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for the time today.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Matt Brooklier of Longbow Research. Please go ahead.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

Hey. Thanks. Good morning. The $4.30 to $4.50, the guide for 2016, does that assume incremental share repurchase activity? Or is that just a reflection in the share count that you gave the number? That's just a reflection of the $365 million that you bought back in fourth quarter?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

There's no anticipated stock repurchase. That's the number that we ended the year with.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Have you provided the PTC revenue breakout for fourth quarter per freight and the transit divisions?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I think it was 75% on freight, 15% on transit and roughly 10% on international.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

Okay. And did you guys talk to the total number in the quarter?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I believe Ray said it was about $400 million.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

For the year.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

For the year.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

For the year? Okay, I can back...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

I think it was like...

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I think it was $109, $108.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

Okay, I can – $109 million, okay. And just the commentary on the earnings progression as we move through 2016: I'm just trying to get a little bit more color on what that could potentially look like. If we look at first quarters historically, you have seen over the past at least four years, sequential growth in terms of earnings from 4Q into 1Q. So I'm trying to get a sense for if we see a similar – I guess if you expect for earnings in first quarter to look historically like they have over the past couple of years, i.e., do we think that you see a little bit of growth in 1Q? Or are we expecting things to be more flattish, and we kind of go from there? I'm just trying to get a better sense as to kind of the progression of earnings through 2016.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

I really appreciate the question and what we don't do is we really don't give quarterly guidance because of fluctuations. However, directionally, there is a lot of headwinds. And I think some of the things that we said about the backlog and programs have been delayed and we'll kick in during the year. Maybe readjusting of how people allocate the capital related to PTC, I think directionally, we're telling you how we see it and we think that it will sequentially improve as the year goes on, and that's without providing exactly where we start from.

Matt S. Brooklier

Analyst

Okay. And then just my last question; you talked about projects and I think this is more specific to transit; it may not be – but projects that have been delayed that are starting to ramp up, and then the expectations are for these projects to ramp up as the year progresses. Can you maybe talk to, kind of big picture, what some of those projects are and why we should think about things ramping as 2016 progresses, given we are seeing some cycle headwinds here? Thanks.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Okay, Matt. So in the past, we've talked about transit projects and explained it. It's relatively normal in the transit industry because of the paperwork process, approval process, commissioning process to – for these projects to be delayed. And so there's projects like our 179 (55:51) in New York, CTA, the BART projects, those are all huge projects in the transit industry. Every one of those projects is delayed relative to their original schedule. So, if you go back to the time when those projects were awarded to the car builders and look at what the commitment milestone dates were, some of those projects are up to two years delayed. And again, I want to emphasize, it's not a criticism on any car builder; it's not an unusual situation in the transit industry. Those projects are moving along, though. They're obviously not going away. They're going to be delivered and we have revenue streams associated with all of them. On the new project side, the CTA project, it's in process. It's associated with CTA 5000. There's another huge build or huge buy coming up, CTA 7000. That procurement has been delayed two years. So that's still going to go ahead. If you look at the bill that was just put out and approved by Congress in the transit area alone, they've allocated additional monies for 10 projects that are already under construction that need additional funding. Those are places like LA, San Francisco, Honolulu, Boston. But then, in addition, there's another 31 projects that the U.S. government has identified that have been asking for funding that hasn't been able to receive that are going to come. So, existing projects are – I would not be exaggerating to tell you every project we're involved with is delayed at car-builder delivery level. So that just, again, emphasizes it's not unusual. There's various levels of delay and there a lot of new projects coming.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Mike Baudendistel of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Mike J. Baudendistel

Analyst

Thank you. Wanted to ask you because there is a theory out there that Class 1 rail CapEx is in a secular decline, and it looks like it's going to be down in 2016 at least from 2015. Is Class 1 rail CapEx a meaningful measure to look at for your business, or is it too broad in too many different areas that it's not terribly relevant?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I think, Mike – I think the real important thing you said is that there are structural or secular changes that happen in the railroad. We're not going to – if you look at coal, it'll be declining. It's hard to tell what other structural changes we'll have related – crude by rail and some of the other things, the headwinds they're being faced with. Those kind of things, obviously, are a concern and could impact just how money is spent related to capital. However, I think the reduction of capital is appropriate due to the – not only the structural changes but the recessionary changes that we see, and we're not immune from being impacted by any change in capital. But I think whenever they do reduce their capital, I think prudently, they look at the prioritization of where they form that out. And the things that we're concentrated on are critical to safety, efficiencies, productivities. So, some of it could be more discretionary and have an impact. It is a meaningful thing for us to look at. So, we do follow it. And I think it has an impact long term and short term.

Mike J. Baudendistel

Analyst

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then hoping you can comment on the portion of your revenue – I think 10% to 15% is outside of rail. Things like turbochargers. What's the outlook for those segments in 2016?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We've seen most of those bottom out in 2015. I think a lot of them, we feel, have bottomed out. We've diversified that group which makes up like 15% of our total revenue. And in a couple of areas, Ray mentioned one, power generation, our product development gives us a nice opportunity late in the year or into 2017. But those are the things we're working on, broaden those offerings in those specialized areas of power generation, friction and thermal management. But we think they've kind of bottomed out. But that really depends on what happens to the economy. And that not only relates to that portion of our business, but it really relates to the rail portion. More so, the economy drives, as you know, it's the market driver for the freight rail. The transit rail is driven by public funding as well as ridership. And we think that'll be stable.

Mike J. Baudendistel

Analyst

Great, that's helpful. Just wanted to ask you, also, the aftermarket revenue in North America, freight – I just want to make sure I'm interpreting this correctly. So you are assuming that's flat in the guidance, because you are expecting the rail traffic to be flat? And then related to that, do you ever get into a situation where if North American freight rail traffic is down 5%, that you could see customers defer maintenance on things, and then the aftermarket could be worse than proportional?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Our experience has been proportional. There's always one-time items, but over the year – over the 10 years I've been involved in it, it's pretty proportional.

Mike J. Baudendistel

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Art Hatfield of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Hey, Al or Ray, when you say rail traffic is going to be flat, are you commenting on revenue ton-mile number or car-loading number?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We're mostly looking at car loadings.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Okay.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We don't actively look at ton-miles right now because of – I know with the decline in coal, the measure year-to-year has become less, I guess, applicable. So, we've been looking at car-loadings.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Okay, no, that's helpful. Quick question, maybe you gave this and I didn't hear it, but can you give us what the breakdown in 2015 was for NAFTA versus non-NAFTA sales?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Sure. If you look at freight, international sales in freight in the fourth quarter was – 32% of the total was international. For the year of 2015, it was 36% international. For transit, it was 65% in the fourth quarter and 66% for the year. So consolidated, the 45% for the fourth quarter and 47% for the year was international sales.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

How do you – do you have an estimate on how you think that is going to change in 2016?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We do, but the one thing that we have talked about, the Faiveley creates a total of...

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Oh, yeah.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

... that's a big change of it. So, if you look at Faiveley, I think when we gave the presentation, when we announced it, we're going to end up with more like that number would be more like 59% or 60% outside of the U.S.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

And ex – but ex-Faiveley, do you expect that number to change meaningfully?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We've actually been growing more rapidly in the international area.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

All right. So that should go up this year?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Right.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Okay. Real quick, back to PTC, a couple questions there. And I appreciate your clarifications today, and I hope you do kind of – I think there is a lot of misperception in the marketplace on what the opportunity is for you, so further communication is great. Quick on the transit side, are you concerned at all about funding or where funding – the timing of funding; if funding is going to be available for these – I know they have to hit these markers, but are you concerned at all about funding for transit PTC projects?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

No. And I think that, Ray, you might want to comment a little bit about the FAST...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

No. Art, the offset, we feel a lot better about it today than we did previous to the FAST Act being enacted. So, this basically addresses the void that existed for all these transit authorities who were doing the planning, but couldn't go through the implementation.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

What we understand is there was a 10% increase in funding for year one. And the normal transit is about $10 billion. So, that's about $1 billion. And remember, I talked about $3.5 billion...

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Right.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

...and you know that the federal government isn't going to fund all of it.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Right, right. So going back to that real quick, in your comments on that, I think, Al, you alluded to the fact that PTC, it's really not as narrow as most people think it is; but it's broader in scope for you as you go forward in more the communications and signaling opportunities that may be out there for you. And I think at one moment, you may have thrown out a number about what that broader opportunity is, I think on an annualized basis? One, did you do that? And what was that number?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Okay. Again, in our estimate, we think that the entire global signaling market is about $22 billion a year.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Okay.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

That doesn't mean we play in that right now. We view that as a big pond that we'd like to play more in.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

And I would – go ahead. I'm sorry.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

What I was saying, in very niche areas.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

And I would assume that opportunity would be driven by acquisition strategy?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Internal development and acquisition targets.

Art W. Hatfield

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you for the time this morning.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Thanks.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Thanks, Art.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Kristine Kubacki of Avondale Partners. Please go ahead.

Kristine Kubacki

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Quick question, in terms of Faiveley, you talked a little bit about the timing and that. Through the process, have you – and I know you said in the past you didn't expect that, given the adjacencies of the business, any thoughts to – that you are going to have to do any divestitures or anything like that?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

We really can't comment on the process. We're right in the middle of both the European Commission as well as the DOJ processes. So, we really can't comment on that. It will become clear as we go forward.

Kristine Kubacki

Analyst

Okay. And then just – a lot of my questions have been answered, but maybe, Ray, you talked a little bit about Asia. I was wondering if you could kind of talk a little bit about what's going on in China in terms of the infrastructure there, both on the freight and the transit side.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

So, the freight is pretty stagnant. It's always been pretty stagnant, to be honest. It's not really a significant market in terms of rail overall. The transit market continues to be a good market. We continue to get a relatively steady, increasing the number of projects year-on-year. So, our business has grown, the overall investment in the market is relatively steady. It has not declined and the government on a regular basis injects stimulus money into the economy, focused on their transit projects. They have about 40 active projects in process in China, and so there's various opportunities for us across those projects. Additionally, the Chinese industry has become much more aggressive about coming into the international market and competing. We have scope on several projects in various continents in South America. They're obviously here now in North America. They are competing for this large job in Chicago. We already won the job with them in Boston, and they're planning to compete in Europe. So, their industry is – while their economy is in probably a recession, their transit and rail industry, transit in particular, is still pretty active and strong.

Kristine Kubacki

Analyst

Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you very much for the time, guys.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Rodgers of Great Lakes Review. Please go ahead.

Jason A. Rodgers

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for squeezing me in. Just a question on the transit market. The projects that have been delayed that you expect to realize later in the year, has that been due to funding delays or is it just a matter of being slower to be implemented than originally expected?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

No. It's just performance-related issues, Jason. A lot of it is associated with approvals, software submittals, design reviews, first article inspections. So, the process is cumbersome and bureaucratic and it takes time. And often, it does not anticipate the iterations you have to go through in each of those cycles.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

And this is not abnormal. The only thing that's abnormal is the number at one time. Otherwise, we wouldn't even mention it. It's a normal process they go through. It's delay after delay. But right now, there is a kind of a backlog of these things that were worth discussing.

Jason A. Rodgers

Analyst

Okay, that's good to know. Just two quick follow-ups, if you have the transit book-to-bill for the quarter as well as the shareholders' equity balance for the quarter.

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Okay. Shareholders' equity at the end of the year would be $1,701.339 million. And...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

I got the transit book-to-bill, the 12 month was a little under 1, I think it was 0.94. And the total was 1.2.

Jason A. Rodgers

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Liam Burke of Wunderlich Securities. Please go ahead.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst

Thank you. Ray, you talked about freight business outside of NAFTA, and you quoted a 30%-plus contribution. Is the split between OEM and aftermarket similar to North America? And are those – are you approaching those markets any differently than you would in North America?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

I don't recall a discussion of contribution margin, but as far as the approach to the market, no, we're approaching the markets in a similar way. As a matter of fact, in freight, it's a little bit behind transit in this respect. But in freight, a lot of the car builders are now participating on an international basis. Greenbrier, for instance, won this big order in Saudi Arabia. We won the opportunity to supply to them. So, obviously, they're a big customer of ours in North America. So, we have relationships with some South, CTX (1:13:08) and other players. In addition, I mentioned the Chinese, they're coming out from the other direction from the East, and we're participating with them. And there's a nice mix of aftermarket business and OEM business on the international market.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst

Okay, and then just quickly, reinvestment in the business is a big priority. You quoted a CapEx number. Is there any particular project or anything particular weighting in the capital expenditure this year that you're looking at vis-à-vis 2015?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

No. We have a standard process that basically looks at ROI. There's a requirement from all business units to fill out this capital appropriations request, it's essentially a business plan that justifies the investment. And if they can exceed the hurdle rates that we give them, we'll make the investment.

Liam D. Burke

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Ray.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Willard Milby of BB&T Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, everybody.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Good morning, Willard.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

A lot of my questions have been answered. So, just to keep on the transit discussion, the projects slated for the second half, is that what's going to drive the potential for revenue growth this year? Is that where you see the – turning positive, I guess or what's driving the positive revenues?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Yeah, that's exactly what we see is contributing to what we've talked about sequentially – seeing business change over the year. Exactly.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

All right. Okay. And just some housekeeping stuff I might have missed. Did you give an SG&A kind of number to think about for 2016?

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Yeah. We typically give like a quarterly run rate and we think that the run rate – our fourth quarter had some costs related to supporting the transaction as they're working on it. So we're thinking we're around $88 million to $90 million a quarter. I think that's a pretty safe number to use in your model.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

Okay. And typically the fourth quarter is up versus the other remaining three, for whatever reason. Are we thinking, like, a lower Q1 to Q3, and then a bump up in Q4 for an average of about $88 million?

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Yeah, is an average. I think you have to look our – we have a calendar year and we have like a 13-week quarter, so you end up with kind of extra days in the fourth quarter, you end up with – any given quarter you'll have discrete items that might come through. But I think that using those numbers as an average for the year would be a good jump-off point.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

All right, great. And last thing; I heard the locomotive and freight car delivery estimates, but did you say something on buses and transit cars for 2016?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Yeah. We said we expect transit cars to be up somewhere around 4% and buses, we – I think didn't mention it, but we expect it to be about flat.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

Okay. And what was the transit car for 2015? Just...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

It was around 850, 900 transit vehicles, new built.

Willard P. Milby

Analyst

All right. Great. Thanks for the time, guys.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Samuel Eisner of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

Yeah. Hi, guys. This is actually Nick Stuart on for Sam. Thanks for taking my questions.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Hey, Nick.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Hey, Nick.

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Hey, Nick.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

Just real quick, do you have maybe a more multi-year outlook for what rail car deliveries should do, given that historically we've seen sort of two to three-year declines in rail car deliveries in prior cycles?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I think a lot of it will have to do with what the economy does and what that order rate is during 2016. We know that the backlog, I think it was $111 million or something like that, and you subtract the $60 million and there's backlog to really soften the downturn in the railcar build. But if the economy head south, I think that there could be a bigger impact in 2017 and 2018.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

Got it, that's helpful. And then to your point on sort of the $88 million, $90 million run rate for SG&A, given that you are also suggesting flat to slightly up revenue, does that also imply EBIT should be basically flat to slightly up through 2016 as well?

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Well...

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

In order to get the EPS growth that we have, we would obviously be able to improve our – there's got to be a margin improvement if we won't get the contribution from the volumes. So...

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Right.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

... we would hope these cost reduction items start ramping up and kicking in as well.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

Got it. Okay, that's also helpful. And last question, I think you said that PTC revenue for the quarter was about $400 million, which was better than the kind of...

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

That was for the year.

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

For the year.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

For the year, for the year, I'm sorry. And then that was sort of better than the $350 million number that you had – the implied guidance for $350 million of PTC revenue that you quoted earlier in the year. What was the source of the maybe $50 million delta there?

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Yeah. We can only speculate a little bit, but our feeling is that because of the pending deadline, which was the end of 2015, there might have been some spending that happened in that fourth quarter period that would've otherwise happened into the first quarter. And that's why we think they're going to regroup and take a real look at their programs now that the time has been extended through the end of 2018.

Nick Stuart

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. That's all for me.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Steve Barger of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Hey. Good morning, guys.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Good morning.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Yeah, Al you talked about freight products in China, India, and Russia and I think you said even mining countries as offsets to North American freight. Just round numbers, how much revenue is emerging market freight? And is the margin profile similar to North America or would that be negative for mix?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

The freight portion internationally was, I think, 32% for the quarter...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Yeah.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

...outside of the U.S. So, as far as margin, I think that it's comparable to what we get. I think if you really step back, I think we set the standards for technology globally in the freight markets.

Steve Barger

Analyst

So, no real negative mix there?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Right.

Steve Barger

Analyst

So as you frame up PTC, the North American cycle, the positive offsets we just talked about, and the productivity initiatives, would you expect freight margin to be down in 2016 versus last year, and you will make it up on transit or corporate? Or can you be flat or up on freight?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

I'm going to let Ray answer that because the...

Raymond T. Betler

Management

We've been pretty consistent in being able to significantly improve our margins in every one of our market sectors. So that is obviously the charge that we've given our group execs and our business units. And they have plans in place that they're accountable for that they are committed to deliver on. We manage those on a monthly basis and have confidence that we're going to do exactly what we've done in the past and that's continue to improve our margins year-on-year.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Okay. And one last historical question; roughly speaking, you have driven 500 basis points of operating margin expansion since 2010. Can you say how that breaks down to into what you might call structural improvements, and how much of that was volume driven?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Well, we will not deny that we get the benefit of volume on the way up. And it really – something that we focus on eliminating on the way down. When you look at the margin improvement and you consider the FX, I don't think we've really broken that out, but I'm quick to say that volume hikes works and we really have to focus on that, especially as – those businesses where volume is coming down. And those have to be structural or you won't get the results.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Right. So, fair to say that that's where you will focus the accelerating cost out and efficiency initiatives? Is that – I mean, on the freight side, specifically?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

That's exactly right, Steve. I mean, you have to change your structure on the way down. If you don't, you're going to – you'll go down at a much larger contribution margin than you went up.

Steve Barger

Analyst

And I know you guys work on this all the time, but have you already identified what you're going to be doing over the next couple of quarters to offset that – those decrementals from volume?

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

One thing that I'll share with you that Ray and his team presented to our board, contingency plans, some of which have started to be implemented late last year. Others are going to be implemented as our assumptions either prove right or wrong. I think that Ray left the board with a lot of confidence that they're ready to take the right actions that are needed to manage through any kind of challenge that we're faced with. We all have to admit that there's tremendous uncertainty. As we look forward, only thing we want to do is draw a line and say here's what our assumptions were. Whether they're right or wrong, we don't know. But we're ready to react to them.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Very good. Thanks for the time, gentlemen.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Thanks.

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

So, the answer is yes.

Albert J. Neupaver

Management

Okay. Well, we really want to thank you for your participation and look forward to talking to you at the end of the first quarter or sooner.

Patrick D. Dugan

Management

Thanks, everybody.

Raymond T. Betler

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation, you may now disconnect.