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VirTra, Inc. (VTSI)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 30, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the VirTra Fourth Quarter and Year-End 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Brett Maas of Hayden IR.

Brett Maas

Analyst

Thank you, operator. I would like to welcome everyone to VirTra's fourth quarter and full year 2017 earnings call. Hosting the call today are Bob Ferris, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Judy Henry, Chief Financial Officer. By now, you should have received a copy of today's press release. If not, it's available in the company's website at website at www.virtra, which is V-I-R-T-R-A.com. The press release also includes a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures used herein. In addition, you will be able access the company's fourth quarter financial report on the corporate section of the website on the reports tab on or about Friday, March 30. This webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay for 60 days on the company's website, starting later this afternoon. Before I turn the call over to management, please take a moment to read the company's notice regarding forward-looking statements. During this webcast, management may discuss financial projections, information or expectations about the company's products and services or markets, or otherwise make statements about future, which are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made. The company does not undertake any obligation to update them as required by law. Following the prepared remarks and similar to previous webcasts, management will answer your questions if time permits. I now like to turn the call over to Bob. Bob, the floor is yours.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thanks, Brett. Good morning and welcome to VirTra's fourth quarter and full year 2017 earnings call. Thank you so much for joining us. 2017 was an important and productive year for VirTra. We delivered full year revenue of $16.5 million, exceeding the record level from the prior year. Simultaneously, we continue to invest in every department of the company and in corporate governance enhancement to position VirTra for continued success for our stakeholders. As the technology has improved and new features have been added, market acceptance by law enforcement agencies for simulator training has increased. As a result, the industry continues to gain momentum, growing through new customer adoption and media coverage. We believe that VirTra remains the technological leader in this growing space, and we continue to innovate to maintain this position. As a result, VirTra has been selected by many of the largest and most respected law enforcement agencies across the globe and interest for our solutions is at an all-time high. I continue to believe that VirTra provides uniquely effective products to address current challenges facing countries worldwide. Our solutions are highly realistic and can orderly [ph] train law enforcement to better handle life and death situations ranging from active shooters to complex judgmental use of force decision making. In addition, we carefully design our simulators to induce stress during training, such as use of our patented Threat-Fire device, thereby helping officers be better prepared when they encounter the enormous stress that can occur in real life situations. Our goal is to ensure every minute in the simulator yields significant real world skill improvements. Strategically, 2017 was a year of targeted investment in people, processes and solutions to bolster our strong existing reputation in a growing market. Over the last year, we worked to improve the quality…

Judy Henry

Analyst

Thank you, Bob. Revenues for the fourth quarter of 2017 of $2.4 million were down 21% compared to $3 million for the corresponding period in 2016. The decrease was due to the timing of certain orders under contract that as Bob mentioned, resulted in lower recognized revenues during the fourth quarter. Gross profit for the fourth quarter of 2017 was $940,000 or 39.5% of revenues, compared to $1.9 million or 62.9% of revenues for the corresponding period last year. The decrease in gross profit margin was primarily due to non-recurring, non-cash adjustments in the carrying value of certain inventory. Net operating expense was $2.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2017, compared to $2.2 million in the fourth quarter of last year. The year-over-year increase in operating expenses was due to expanding staffing levels, annual increases in payroll and benefits for current staff, sales and marketing expansion, increases in non-recurring public company related costs, new research and development and IT infrastructure upgrades. Approximately $411,000 of these expenses are non-recurring in nature. The loss from operations for the fourth quarter of 2017 was $1.5 million compared to $303,000 for the corresponding period last year. As Bob mentioned, we have two non-recurring and non-cash items recognized in the fourth quarter. First, due to a long track record of annual profits, VirTra recorded an income tax benefit of $2.6 million, reflecting a reversal of our previously established valuation allowance, partially offset by the effect of changes in the federal income tax rate applied to our deferred tax asset and miscellaneous state income taxes. In addition, management regularly evaluates the recoverability of its investment based on investee company's performance and financial position. During the fourth quarter, VirTra recognized an impairment loss of $613,000 related to our investment in Modern Round. Inclusive of these two…

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thank you, Judy. As I look to the future, I've never been more excited about VirTra's long-term potential. Our recent addition in NASDAQ is certainly electrifying our staff, but it's just a beginning of a new chapter with much work ahead of us, if we are to succeed in improving and saving lives through the effective use of technology. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Jim Poitner [ph], private investor. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Bob and other members of VirTra that are there. First of all, congratulations on a great year. And it sounds like there's every indication to believe 2018 is going to be even better. Bob is the -- is part of the reason for the delay of finishing and delivering orders in part due to the federal government's inability to get budgets passed or were these more localized, meaning either finishing the product for delivery or other reasons that aren't the size [ph] of the federal government? Thank you.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thanks, Jim. Great to hear from you. Thanks for listening to the call. I know you've been a shareholder for many, many years. I think you sent me a picture doing 1994 of your involvement with this company. So, that goes back quite a ways. As far as the revenue recognition, the fourth quarter revenue recognition issue is mainly related to some orders getting delivered early and being accepted a bid early. So third quarter received some orders that normally would have gone in the fourth quarter and then some of the other orders in fourth quarter ended up getting -- due to accommodating customers, were delayed into 2018. The mention of the continuing budget resolution does impact some order flow. It was somewhat related to fourth quarter potentially, of course, we're not exactly sure because those continuing resolutions created a new situation that we haven't exactly seen before. So but again like I mentioned we are very excited about 2018 being a strong overall year, even though we do have quarterly fluctuations.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Bob.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thanks, Jim.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Charles Landes [ph], private investor. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello, Bob and congratulations for making it to NASDAQ. It's been a while coming, but it's been worth the wait.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you so much. And I know you've involved in the company for years as well. Thanks for calling and listening.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Bob, how many employees are currently at VirTra full-time?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Currently we have 80 employees.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

80 employees. And could you go into a little more detail regarding the Modern Round status. Is that completely a thing of the past and written off or is it just functioning less than anticipated?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Yeah. Great question. So, I think there is four important aspects to consider with Modern Round. One is, as far as we know, Modern Round is currently in a process of expanding into new locations, both standalone and sub-licensing locations. Modern Round reports at their Peoria location, which is the first one they ever -- that they put up generated positive operating results for 2017. The write-down with Modern Round is really in accordance with GAAP accounting rules regarding the current fair market valuation. So I mean, really the reason the write-down is occurring now is that, there was some data that help to form a fair market valuation that was then used to reassess this value on our balance sheet, just to make sure there was accurate as of the end of last year. So obviously, VirTra doesn't control Modern Round and Modern Round operates their business with their own staff, while focusing on their unique market segment. But with the opening of new locations with -- Modern Round opening new locations and the escalating minimum royalty requirements that are in our contract with them to maintain exclusivity. We do expect that the licensing fees paid by Modern Round could well grow in the future. Well, of course, there is no guarantees on that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Do you expect that they will fulfill the international aspect?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

I have no visibility on that right now. I do not know.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. And finally, the recently released news regarding the Mideast customer, what type weapons are they primarily training with?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

I do not have that information in front of me. So I would not want to hazard a guess.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. My interest in that was the recent release of the recoil kits, if those figured into that customer or if there is just a random occurrence?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

No, we definitely focus a lot of attention on deciding what exact firearm make and model that we develop recoil kits for. We have almost daily meetings to make sure that we're all in alignment. And then we have regular meetings to discuss our development road maps. So, every recoil kits that is released from our company, it's for very strategic reasons. So yes, it -- very much if there is a client that is in need of a recoil kit, there is many times that sort of development kits sprint to the top of the queue for obvious reasons.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And what's the outlook for the current facility? Is that going to be adequate for several years or you going to need to get additional space?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Our current facility is actually two different facilities. So our current building has about 40,000 square feet and then we have a secondary location about 15 minute drive from this facility where we do other work of CNC machining mainly. So, those two facilities are currently adequate, we are also only running one shift. So we are essentially just running about 10 to 12 hours a day at our current facility and that can always be increased. So as of today, we do not foresee a need to move into a much larger facility even with anticipated growth of our revenue, we feel we can accommodate here. And we are obviously always in the process of looking at how we optimize our leased space, and we're currently working on some things along those lines, but as of right now we are not anticipating a major building shift in the near future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. Thank you very much, Bob. And good job to you and rest of the staff there of getting on NASDAQ, again I see that as a major milestone unlocking a lot of doors, and hopefully a lot of interest in the product and shareholders. Thank you.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thank you so much. And thank you for your continued loyalty to VirTra. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is with Mark Klugger [ph], private investor. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello, Bob. This is Mark Klugger from Florida and Orlando area. I met you several years ago at [indiscernible] with my boys scout unit. How are you today?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

I'm well. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I am doing awesome. Thank you so much. I have always been an investor, I guess since 2006 and so, I guess I am fairly a young investor, but I had a question for you outside of congratulating you and the team on NASDAQ. I think it's wonderful news having followed the stock since it was a [indiscernible] stock. With regards to the sale these days, it seems that our sort of price unit would be the V-300, how long from start to finish does it approximately take to put a whole package together and get it ready for shipment. I know we've seen some multi-unit order, so I was just curious to know how that all works out?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Well, first of all, I do remember you and boy scouts and I have been in Eagle Scouts. That's one of my best memories at a trade show, was having opportunity to show you and them the most advanced training simulators at that time. And thanks for your continued interest in VirTra over the years. When it comes to the amount of time it's really highly dependent on what items are on the order. But I would -- but we have a little over year ago our production team took it upon themselves to really streamline the -- our ability to create a V-300 simulator and that resulted in a huge decrease in the amount of time it takes us to get a V-300 fully build and tested. It's incredible how much time is required to properly test products and we do an enormous amount of testing here at VirTra. So, but based on them, improving our process of how we actually produce the unit, we are able to have a lot more time for testing the unit. But generally speaking, there are times when I've heard we had equipment on the shelf and actual -- when I say equipment on the shelf, like we have a V-300 ready to go on the shelf and we have been able to go from order to shipping in a matter of days. But as -- but it can -- or the process it takes to create a V-300 as far as just the simulator portion itself can actually be done in a number measured in hours for the setup of all the software on all the computers.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, okay. Well, listen, I really appreciate all that you've done. I have two Eagle Scouts now. So I just passed the [indiscernible].

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Congratulation.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I applaud you. Thank you for your hard work with Eagle Scout 12 years ago. Thank you so much everybody and just so excited for opportunities that balance for this product and for the company. Thank you so much.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is with Jim Jacob, private investor. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello, Bob.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Hi, Jim.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yeah. Actually I don't have a question, but I do have a comment really for everybody who is on the call. And that VirTra is an excellent example of a company that should be only compared on an annual basis. We all know that the quarters can be lumpy as you've explained to us. And if you look at 2017, it was much better than 2016 and the comments that you've made already and also knowing that Q1, which is already 25% of the year is in the books and you're making some nice positive comments that 2018 should be much better than 2017, and that's what I think everybody should really focus on is the annual comparisons not quarter to quarter, because it's tough in a 90 day period to manage revenues to fall into that quarter. So that's my comment.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Well, thank you very much. And I very much agree with your analysis. Thanks for calling so much.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is with Biff Adam from Boya [ph]. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Bob, Biff.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Hello. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I'm doing good. How are you?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Doing really well.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. So I've got a question -- I have been in this stock for a long time. And I love what you've done. I love how we've got out of many different issues and now we are clean and now we are with NASDAQ and looks likes blue skies. The question I've got is, you talked about governmental regulation that could have paused some orders for Q4. Recently Trump signed the omnibus bill, is -- are we to assume this could help free up some funds for orders from the DoJ $40 million order -- not order but a thing that we have with one other issue that could help some government issues or government orders?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Yes, there is certainly the potential that, that could help some of the orders based on the federal budgeting process. Yes, absolutely.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And so then -- I know you already mentioned that, but the Q4 being less than what we had hoped, I would imagine a lot of that came from the issue of the government not being able to spend in Q4 or prior to Q4 which would allow Q4 earnings to separate somewhat. That's correct, right?

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Yeah. I think, they are related, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's really all I had and looking forward to 2018. Sounds like it's going to be a good year.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

All right. Well, thanks so much and I appreciate all the years you've been loyal to the company. Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

You bet, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. And I'd like to turn the call back over to Bob Ferris for closing remarks.

Bob Ferris

Analyst

Thank you. I'd like to end today's call with a sincere thank you to all those people who have been instrumental in allowing VirTra's products to train officers, war fighters and civilians at the very highest level in 29 countries around the world. I'd like to recognize the employees, customers, shareholders, many of which who called in today and vendors who should each share in our sense of accomplishment in joining the NASDAQ. Thank you and God bless. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.