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Viasat, Inc. (VSAT)

Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Mon, Feb 6, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to ViaSat's Fiscal Year 2012 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Your host for today's call is Mark Dankberg, Chairman and CEO. You may proceed, Mr. Dankberg.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Thanks. So good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to ViaSat's Earnings Conference Call for our third quarter of fiscal year 2012. I'm Mark Dankberg, Chairman and CEO, and I have with me here, Rick Baldridge, our President and Chief Operating Officer; Ron Wangerin, our Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Keven Lippert, our General Counsel. Before we start, Keven will provide our Safe Harbor disclosure.

Keven Lippert

Management

Thanks, Mark. As you know, this discussion will contain forward-looking statements. This is a reminder that factors could cause actual results to differ materially. Additional information concerning these factors is contained in our SEC filings, including our most recent reports on Form 10-K and Form 10-Q. Copies are available from the SEC or from our website. Thanks.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay, thanks, Keven. So we'll be referring to slides that are available over the web. Let's start with some highlights and the top level financial summary for third quarter and year-to-date for fiscal year '12, and after that, Ron will discuss our financial results in more detail. Then I'll provide an update on our business segments, and finally, I'll update our outlook for the fiscal year and summarize things. And then we'll take questions. So the main event for us over the next few quarters will be the growth in our Broadband Satellite Services segment over ViaSat-1. After a lot of thought and deliberation, we decided to rebrand our consumer service as Exede by ViaSat and we introduced the new services at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. We're really pleased with the feedback we got there and we'll go into that in more depth later in the call. We also announced distribution agreements with the National Rural Telecom Cooperative and DISH that will make create some momentum in wholesale. And we've been really busy lighting up the 20 ViaSat-1 fiber teleport gateways pretty much nonstop since we took control of the satellite in December. We're about 75% of the way through that and expect to have it complete by the end of this month. We'll also provide information on subscriber acquisition next quarter once the system's fully lit up. We're pleased with initial responses and dealer and distributor engagement, including DISH, which began activating subscribers last week. We're very happy with system performance as we continue to add coverage and dealers on a daily basis. While the 6 month or so delay in the satellite launch has weighed on bottom line performance, our product segments in aggregate have been growing in revenues, new orders, backlog and earnings for…

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Thanks, Mark. We'll start with segments then go into further P&L discussions, the balance sheet and then cash flows. Last quarter, we began presenting segment revenues split between product and service, and we feel it provides better insight into our shifting business mix. In addition, the reconciliation for segment adjusted EBITDA was included in our earnings press release filed earlier on Form 8-K. As Mark mentioned earlier, overall, our operating results were about as we expected and consistent with our prior communications. Government segment revenues were down about 3% for the quarter year-over-year, primarily from lower Tactical Data Link and information assurance product revenues, partly offset by higher managed broadband network revenues to military customers. Given the U.S. government timing of their budget and their various amounts, our product revenues have been pretty lumpy, increasing and decreasing with the amount and timing of these awards. So despite our quarterly revenue being lower for the third quarter, this lumpiness has contributed to higher year-over-year to date sales of about 1%. One thing we have seen though is a continual increase in our service revenues and we expect it to continue as we look out over the next year. Our operating earnings improved for the quarter and year-to-date from better program performance, a greater mix of higher-margin programs and lower research and development costs. In the Commercial segment, our sales growth is principally from antenna systems and consumer broadband product sales, as well as satellite payload technology development programs. The revenue growth in the first 3 quarters is consistent with our total year communications. Our operating loss and adjusted EBITDA for the quarter and year-to-date reflect the production cost startup effects of the SurfBeam 2 product line, higher selling costs related to a number of large international opportunities we are pursuing, as…

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay, thanks, Ron. So I'll go over some of the key points in our businesses now. Last quarter, we talked here about some thoughts on our conceptual approach to defining new service plans for ViaSat-1. And last month, at the Consumer Electronics Show, we introduced the specifics for the plans that we called Exede by ViaSat. In the ViaSat-1 coverage areas, we offer Exede 12 with downstream speeds of up to 12 megabits a second and upstreams up to 3 megabits. We offer data plans with volumes of 7.5, 15 or 25 gigabytes per month at price points of about $50, $80 and $130 a month, respectively. With these new plans, even though lowest-priced new service is almost 10x better than the best in the legacy WildBlue plans, and there's a very compelling 25x increase in speed at the $50 price point. So we felt that rebranding was the best way to distinguish these new services from the old and to help clearly delineate subscriber satisfaction with the new services. And that's similar to what we believe Verizon did when they came out with the FiOS brand relative to their DSL products. In the places that ViaSat-1 does not cover, we're offering Exede 5 on our other 2 satellites using a similar structure, but with downstream speeds of up to 5 megabits a second. We will essentially retire the WildBlue brand name by reserving its use for the existing legacy service plans. These plans are structured very similarly to 3G or 4G mobile wireless plans. We believe the rapid growth in smartphones and tablets is helping users understand why volume-delineated plans make sense to help operators maintain speed and responsiveness over wireless access networks that have limited amount of spectrum regulated by the FCC. Like other wireless companies, we also…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first questioner in queue is Ronald Epstein with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Elizabeth Grenfell

Analyst

It's actually Elizabeth, in for Ron. Just a couple of questions for you. One, I think you just talked about the tax rate for the year, but did you say what you thought it would actually be for the end of the fiscal year, so for the full fiscal year?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

No. Our taxes are a little bit odd given the expected pretax income being pretty close to 0 and then these large R&D benefits that we're entitled to. So it will be a large negative rate of some sort, but it's a small variation when you have small pretax that can really cause a big, I guess, change in the effective rate.

Elizabeth Grenfell

Analyst

Okay. So it will be less than negative 55%, I think, you'd talked about before, or more negative rather?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes, it will be more negative. I mean, if we're looking at around -- say, our pretax number was close to 0 and then we'll have a large benefit there, then the rate could be significant. So right now we're looking at around probably a benefit in the $10 million range for the year.

Elizabeth Grenfell

Analyst

Okay. And then of the 3 plans you have, right, the 7.5, the 15 and the 25-gig per month, what do you expect the distribution to be between the 3? So do you expect it to be 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 or for 50% of the customers to take the 15-gig per month plan? What are you thinking there?

Mark Dankberg

Management

We thought and think long term that it would be skewed heavily towards the $50 range. But from the -- initially, we're getting, I'd say, more participation in the higher level plans than we might have thought. But I think over time, we think it will be skewed towards the $50 plan. We think that's going to be really attractive.

Elizabeth Grenfell

Analyst

Okay. And then just one final question. What kind of a ramp are you seeing on ViaSat-1? So for January, for example, how many subs did you add?

Mark Dankberg

Management

It's just too early to tell. I mean, we had like 2 weeks of orders, less of installations, and every day, the number of installers was changing. So it's just not meaningful. We're not going to talk about this January number.

Ronald Wangerin

Management

It's really because we opened the service up today in less than 7% of our coverage area, so it's just not meaningful.

Operator

Operator

Next questioner in queue is Mike Crawford with B. Riley & Co.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

Regarding the direct dealer channel, do you view this as more of a rebuild given how dormant this was in some of the most attractive markets where WildBlue had been sold out to capacity? Or is this something that you think you can just plug right back in and get up to speed really quickly?

Mark Dankberg

Management

No, it's a good point. It's a lot more like a recharge because I'd say the old plans, one is, they were old, and then the other is because we were in sort of this month-by-month and quarter-by-quarter waiting period for the new services, that the old ones were or largely being phased out. So unlike, for instance, when we launched ViaSat -- when we launched WildBlue-1 to add Anik F2, it was pretty much just a step and repeat on exactly what we are already doing. This is pretty much all brand new and so that's part of what's going on now.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

Okay. And then with the opportunity to offer Yonder Mobile data to Government customers using Ka-band, including your partner's capacity in ViaSat-1, when can we see that type of traffic on ViaSat-1? And then when that happens, would you report that as Satellite Services revenue? Or would that be Government Systems revenue?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay. So there are several things in there. We are -- what we're aiming to do first is get our users -- let's say, I'm talking about the Government users engaged in Ka-band. And we're doing that really in 2 places, one primarily in the Middle East and then also in the U.S. And in the Middle East, we can use a combination of Ka-band capacity we've leased from others and actually government bandwidth. In the U.S., we can use capacity that we own here in the U.S. or that we lease from EchoStar actually. And that's kind of the first thing. I think that to the extent they show up as government private network revenues, we're reporting those in our Government segment. To the extent that it's just government users on the Yonder public network, that would fold into our Satellite Services segment.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

Okay. And then on these international Ka-band competitions, so I mean, Australia has been going on for a while. I don't think you consider yourselves to be a front-runner for that one. Can you handicap these other Middle East and Americas opportunities, when you might hear and what you think the chances might be?

Mark Dankberg

Management

We think that they're all constructed to be as competitive as they can be. We think we're as competitive as anybody else. And some of them will be determined -- I think we'll know a lot over the next quarter or so, probably on all of them.

Michael Crawford

Analyst

Okay. And then the last question relates to your now already deferred IP and breach of contract complaint against SSL. Is there a way that this action could somehow affect the timing of Jupiter launch?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay. So we're not really going to comment on the specifics of the case. We have IP issues with Space Systems/Loral, that's who our issue's with. We talked about that on prior earnings calls. And we feel pretty strongly about the value of our ViaSat-1 system design work and we're going to work to protect it. And that's about all we can comment on at this point.

Operator

Operator

Next questioner in queue is Rich Valera with Needham.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Just wondering if you could give us the number of subscribers at the end of the December quarter.

Ronald Wangerin

Management

About 385,000.

Richard Valera

Analyst

So that was flat basically quarter-over-quarter?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes.

Richard Valera

Analyst

And then it sounds like you actually did add some -- I know you don't want to talk about the number, but you've added some net in the first month of the year.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, we're growing, we're definitely growing. It's just we just -- you want to do sort of normalize not just the absolute numbers, but you want to sort of normalize it to what's going on. And things are moving so fast, it's just hard to do. So we don't want to confuse things, but we will say we're growing, we're definitely growing.

Richard Valera

Analyst

No, fair enough. And then just wanted to revisit some, I think, rough targets we've talked about for the Commercial and Government businesses before. One point I think we'd talked about maybe 10% Government growth. And clearly, there's been delays, which would suggest something less than that. I was wondering if sort of flattish would be a better number for this fiscal year for Government. And then likewise on commercial, I think we had talked about at one point that may be approaching 50 and I would think again that's probably something less than that, but just wanted to get a sense of where you might calibrate those 2 rates at this point.

Mark Dankberg

Management

I think that's a pretty good guess, Rich. I think you've got a pretty good handle on -- plus or minus or so.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Okay. And you mentioned the depreciation that you'll be adding or I guess start recognizing effective with the launch for the satellite in the gateways, and it sounds like it's about $64 million of annual depreciation. So should we expect all of that to hit the service COGS line and pretty much all hit of that amount in the March quarter?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

It will hit in the COGS line, and your figure's pretty close on an annual basis, yes. The other thing for the modeling is the effect on interest expense that will be flowing through the other income line that I pointed out earlier.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Right, right. So you gave an interest expense number. I think you said it was at $6.5 million, Ron?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes, that's what we expect it to be this quarter.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Should we expect much of a change from that in the June quarter?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

It depends on how our -- the timing of when our next satellite procurement goes and the costs that are associated with that as we start to make payments on that.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then just wondering, Mark, if you'd be willing to say anything more on your DIRECTV relationship. You mentioned, I guess, you're sort of in discussions with them. Is there anything more you can add to the potential of them kind of signing up on a more formal basis?

Mark Dankberg

Management

The only thing I'd say is we've talked in the past about just sort of how to cast the plans and how to package the bandwidth that we're doing. And we've had, I'd say, different responses from different distributors. Things went fast with DISH because, obviously, they're going to -- they're investing in broadband and they want to -- they were just really motivated to move quickly. I think things are proceeding pretty steadily with DIRECTV. We have a lot of issues to work through with them just in terms of how we package and how we basically make it best suit them. I think we have a good relationship with them. I think we never want to take anything for granted, but I think things are sort of proceeding.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Perfect. And I wonder at this point if you'd be willing to hazard, a guess, on CapEx for fiscal '13 or I'm sure that's somewhat dependent on your -- what happens with ViaSat-2, but is there anything you'd be willing to say at this point?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

I really think it's too early to tell. I mean, the 2 primary drivers for next year are going to be the retail wholesale mix on the ads and the related CPE investments. And then once the satellite manufacturing contract is concluded and we begin that, that will be the other big driver. But it's I think -- because the timing and variability of those 2 things is -- it's a little early to really put out a good number there.

Mark Dankberg

Management

We'd just say it, Ron, when we could probably [indiscernible] what we have planned under our debt [indiscernible].

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes, I mean, definitely yes on that. It's based upon how we see things going our -- we believe we have sufficient access to capital under our debt agreements right now.

Richard Valera

Analyst

Okay, that's fair. And I just -- I think you talked a fair bit about the GAAP tax rate for the quarter and the year. Wondering if you could comment, Ron, on the non-GAAP tax rate. It looks like you were kind of a very low single-digit non-GAAP tax rate this quarter. Should we think of something similar for the fourth quarter for a non-GAAP tax rate?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Next questioner in queue is Yair Reiner with Oppenheimer.

Yair Reiner

Analyst

So I was wondering if you can give us a little more color on the agreement that you signed with DISH and if you expect them to be of more or less similar size a year from now, let's say, as they happen historically.

Mark Dankberg

Management

So I mean, the big issue with DISH is going to be that their affiliate, EchoStar, is expected to launch their Jupiter satellite in the summer, and then sometime shortly after that, we'll make that available with DISH. And I think what DISH has said is they'd like to have a DISH broadband service that they can fulfill either with ViaSat or with the EchoStar use. So that's about what we know now. I mean, what we'd expect is over time that they'll probably show a preference for fulfilling on the Jupiter satellite. But I think it's going to depend on the plans that they make, the wholesale deals that they have, the performance of the plans, the uptake rates in different geographic areas. It's just hard to predict what it will turn out to be. I don't think -- I don't -- now what I'm going to bet is that we'll be more business with them in the next 6 months, then we will do once they launch Jupiter. So I'm not quite sure how things will evolve after they launch Jupiter.

Yair Reiner

Analyst

Great. And then I also wanted to ask you, now that you've kind of reconfigured also the Exede 5 plan, what do you expect your total capacity in terms of users to be with ViaSat-1 with older 2 satellites?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Nothing's really changed since the last time. What we think is we could -- assuming that we own the user's satellites for consumer broadband that we didn't really set aside or have capacity that was consumed by these other applications, which are good applications, it was just for broadband. We think that the capacity of ViaSat-1 is in the 1 million, 1.5 million-ish range depending on bandwidth consumption and mix of plans. And the capacity of the older 2 satellites is in the low hundreds of thousands.

Yair Reiner

Analyst

Got it. And just to be clear, the Exede 5 plan is going to be priced like the Exede 12?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next questioner in queue is Chris Quilty with Raymond James.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Was hoping you could perhaps give some guidance around what you think the direct-to-wholesale mix might be on, say, the 12-month basis after the service launches.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Boy, it's -- we've said it's sort of unknowable. Basically what we wanted to do, and I think we have done, is we want to be prepared to have it be heavily retail weighted so that we can go to market, we can basically achieve our objectives even if a large part of that was retail. But so far, things are -- we ended up getting good wholesale distribution agreements and we think that our wholesale partners are really engaged. And if that's the case, then actually we could end up being skewed much more towards wholesale. So that's one of the things. It's just too early to tell. I don't know how else to answer, it's just too early to tell. It's one of the things we're going to talk about next quarter.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. And could you help us perhaps -- I mean, the SG&A impact on the wholesale side is pretty straightforward. It's basically a fixed cost around the contract. On the retail side of the business, we know from Hughes, which ran a large retail business, that they were incurring about $100 million a year of equipment CapEx associated with the subsidies to the customers when they were doing about 200,000 gross ads per year. Is it fair to assume with the current pricing plan and model that you guys have that that's a reasonable metric that yours would be somewhere similar on the retail side?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, it's a similar number, Chris.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. And the other part of the SG&A equation being, how do we look at the subscriber acquisition costs for retail specifically to model the growth in the SG&A spending? Is it best to back out a couple hundred dollar subsidy on the equipment and assume it's, say, $600 a sub on the gross side?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes, I think that's a fair estimate. I mean, what we end up incurring is, and I would tell you that it's -- there's components that hit SG&A and then there's components that are up in cost of services. When you look at the equipment side of it, it's -- we defer around, give or take, between $500, $600 for -- on, I'll call it net, that gets amortized over a subscriber life, which is about 4 years. And then there are some selling costs that do get expensed when we do acquire the subscriber and that can range depending upon the particular commission plan that we have set out. And those will hit SG&A when we acquire the subscriber.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. And also, when you mentioned, I think, Mark, that the older satellite, the WildBlue and Anik F2, when you said low hundreds, is that low one hundred thousands or couple hundred thousand?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

About 100,000 is allowed.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, it's going to be at least more like the second number.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. So more like 150,000 to 250,000?

Mark Dankberg

Management

No, low hundreds of thousands.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Got it. And was the forecast, I mean, the 1 million to 1.5 million subs, I -- in the long ago past, you had talked about 2 million to 2.5 million. Is this looking at the way the plan's going to roll out now with the 12 megabit per second service? Is there less capacity? Or is this just more fine tuning of the forecast?

Mark Dankberg

Management

No, I don't think we've ever said 2 million to 2.5 million. I think, basically, the unknowable aspect of the sort of the peak subscriber capacity is really bandwidth usage. That's the way I'd describe it for us to maintain the service levels that we want. And there will be different factors in there depending on who buys the plans and why and how they use them. And we have -- I think part of the way we constructed the plans is to manage the risk that the service deteriorates. And that's why we're pretty confident that we can maintain service quality kind of like it is now even with 1 million subscribers. And depending on how things play out, that could turn out to be more. It could be 1.5 million conceivably, it could get close to 2 million, but that really depends on bandwidth, the bandwidth usage statistics.

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Sort of quite a while, Chris, we've been kind of -- when we're in dialogues with most of the people we talked to, we've been guiding towards 1 million subs for multiple quarters now.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. And with respect to ViaSat-2, I mean, you've suggested in the past that 140 megabits per second for ViaSat-1 -- was a second-generation satellite we might see improvements on ViaSat-2. Is that still on track?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, that's what we're aiming for.

Operator

Operator

Next questioner in queue is Tim Quillin with Stephens Inc.

Timothy Quillin

Analyst

I just want to make sure I have the incremental depreciation right, but the $120 million in gateways would be depreciated over 7.5 years. I think you said, Ron, in the -- the $360 million in satellite costs is depreciated over 15 years. Is that right?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

We haven't really given a number on the satellite yet. We'll give that next quarter. But it's depending -- it's somewhere in that range and you end up with around, give or take, $7.5 million, $8 million a quarter for the 2.

Timothy Quillin

Analyst

Okay. So taking my protractor to, I think, it's Slide 16 in the presentation where you do your arrows on what you think is going to happen here over the next couple of years. With the non-GAAP net income down in fiscal '12 but then up in fiscal '13, if my protracting skills are correct. Does that imply that the contribution income on the Exede service will more than offset that incremental depreciation and as well as the capitalized interest. Is that the right way to think about it?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Next questioner in queue is Matt Robison with Wunderlich.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

You talked about interest expense of $6.5 million. Does that include the amortization for the portion that's already been capitalized?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

No, that's in depreciation.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Okay, okay. So that doesn't come under other income?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

No.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Okay. Is that about an additional $500,000 a quarter or so?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

I haven't computed what the actual, but it would be.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

You mentioned the interest could change as early as the June quarter for ViaSat-2. Does that mean you could be kicking that off as early as now for the current quarter?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Well, go ahead.

Mark Dankberg

Management

No, we just said we're aiming to have that going in the first half of this calendar year, which would be the first quarter of next year.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Okay. You talked about Government growth in '13. Should we be thinking about that bouncing back in the high single-digit percentages again? [indiscernible]

Ronald Wangerin

Management

So I would say single digits.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

What's that?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

I would say more mid- single digits.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Okay. And with that, is there some variability to it with the implications of ViaSat-1?

Mark Dankberg

Management

I think the issue is that from all forecasts we see, the government budget's going down. We think that we're bucking that trend, but we're pretty reluctant to say anything above roughly flat year-over-year on government revenues. It could be higher than that, but they're still -- and doing the order flow we've had and what we expect in Q4, we could beat that, but it's way too early to call anything better than that.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Fair enough. Have you seen some bits of announcements from Eutelsat lately? Have you seen any acceleration of KA-SAT in terms of your equipment sales?

Mark Dankberg

Management

I mean, it's better than it was and they're -- they've brought in some new people. I think they're working in multiple alternatives, so we see a lot of energy on the Eutelsat side to try to stimulate growth. So we still hope -- it's still fairly small.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

There has been some indications that DIRECTV is adapting to your new branding strategy. How long before we should expect something more deliberate from them as we've seen from EchoStar or DISH?

Mark Dankberg

Management

We can't really -- can't put a date on it, I mean, it's really up to them. I mean, the main thing I'd say is there is -- the form factor and the packaging of the plans is different and that requires some integration of IT efforts. So once we could reach some understanding with them about what the form packaging will be, there will be some delay while that gets worked, assuming that we can continue to work things through with them.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

And on your claim against Loral, when should we expect that to start becoming significant to SG&A?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

I'm sorry, can you repeat it?

Matthew Robison

Analyst

For the Loral claim that you filed last Wednesday, when should we expect the legal expenses associated with that to start to ramp?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

This quarter.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Okay. Is that kind of like $1 million a quarter sort of a deal or more than that?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Certainly, it could be more. It just depends on the pace.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

But that's not a bad number to increment with?

Ronald Wangerin

Management

Right, that's not a bad number to start with, but dependent upon what transpires in the near term. It could be a little bit more. It depends on how quickly things progress.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

Now they had a -- they did an 8-K on Friday saying that you guys have gotten into discussions, which I guess implied there was a response on their part, which slows your pace. Is that the right assessment? Or is it more just their own investor relation language?

Keven Lippert

Management

Well, since they were the ones -- it's Keven. They put that out there but, at this point, we really can't comment. I think that what we can say is, we are at and are fully prepared to go to litigation on this. So that's kind of how we're proceeding, and if something happens in the interim, then something happens interim.

Matthew Robison

Analyst

And so if you're thinking about ramping up ViaSat-2 in the June quarter at some point, I guess that kind of implies you've got another vendor teed up. Is that the right assumption to make?

Mark Dankberg

Management

That seems like a good assumption.

Operator

Operator

And it looks like we have time for one final questioner. Our final question in queue comes from Ken Herbert with Wedbush.

Kenneth Herbert

Analyst

You talked about the 2 additional applications with the news media, et cetera, that you're selling for the service. What should we expect over the next few quarters in terms of other potential announcements? Is this something that you're going to be -- you see as an aggressive part of the ramp or something that's more in the background? How should we think about the new applications that might come about here?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay, so that's a good question. We tend to think of them in different time scales. For the next year or 2, the way we expect to get the return on investment that we plan with the satellite is through the consumer broadband service. So that's really -- that's what's going to be the real near-term driver of value. What we think on these other applications, although they will ramp slowly, we think 3, 4, 5 years out from now could be pretty significant businesses, which certainly would help us make good business cases for additional satellites in additional markets. So that's what we're trying to do. We're really looking at this as the near-term opportunity to get those things going and to start a ramp, which ultimately will look good on its own. But right now, really a lot of the focus is on the consumer broadband.

Kenneth Herbert

Analyst

Okay. So if I understand correctly, consumer broadband, clearly the focus, but don't be surprised if other stuff continues to come out as you identify opportunities or whether it could be a good fit.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Yes, I mean, those businesses can be pretty substantial. I mean, they could justify -- let's say, the 2 combined could certainly justify satellites in their own right, but it's not going to happen overnight. So we think we'd want to get those things going now, so that years from now we'll be able to look at them in the same way we look at consumer today.

Kenneth Herbert

Analyst

Okay, great. And just finally, can you give a quick update on Blue Force Tracking 2 and where that stands? You highlighted, I think, that you're looking in the fourth quarter here for production to start to ramp, but can you give an update on that?

Mark Dankberg

Management

Main thing's I'd say is, we've been going through a number of qualification tests and functional performance tests, and those have gone well. I think the system performs well, I think, in exercises. The users definitely can perceive the benefits of it and that those are primarily in the update rate chosen. That was the big thing that this provides, so you can know where assets are from seconds ago instead of 10 or 15 minutes ago. And that obviously provides the beneficial effect that people wanted. And then other than that, the only other thing I'd say is that our program performance is pretty much on or better than what we had planned. And so we think it's going to be a good program once it starts ramping in productions.

Operator

Operator

And now I would like to turn the program back over to Mr. Dankberg for any closing remarks.

Mark Dankberg

Management

Okay. Well, thanks. We really appreciate everybody's patience and interest. We're excited to be off to the races and we'll have a lot more to talk about next quarter. Thanks again for dialing in.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day. Attendees, you may disconnect at this time.