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Voya Financial, Inc. (VOYA)

Q1 2014 Earnings Call· Mon, May 5, 2014

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Rod Martin

Operator

Sir, thank you and good morning everyone. Particularly on a little bit snowy morning in the North, this is a very comfortable place to be. I’m reminded to call to your attention the forward-looking statements and cautionary statements that you’ll see on Slide 2. We will be talking about some non-GAAP measures and some forward-looking information in today’s presentation. So with that as a backdrop, let’s begin. It’s a pleasure to be with you to share ING U.S’. as investment narrative. Let me highlight some of the key elements of our investment narrative and discuss our focus on execution to drive our ROE improvement. First, we have a leading franchise in attractive markets. Second, we have a strong track record of execution with a 12% compound annual growth rate in operating earnings from 2010 through 2013. Third, we have an experienced management team executing a comprehensive ROE improvement program. In fact, we targeted a 400 to 500 basis point increase in the ROE to 12% to 30% by 2016. And fourth, behind the strength of our Retirement Solutions, Investment Management and Insurance Solutions business, we cast our vision to be Americas Retirement Company. ING U.S. is dedicated to helping Americans become both financially and emotionally ready for retirement. This vision guides our efforts to provide our customers and finance with all the asset accumulation, protection and distribution products and services plus guidance and advice. ING U.S. is one of the largest retirement focus companies in the financial services industry. We have more than $511 billion in assets under management and administration. More than 13 million customers, more than 200,000 points of distribution and over 7,000 employees dedicated to helping Americans and our customers with their retirement readiness. Our ongoing business has a diverse earnings profile that generated $1.2 billion in…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Quite a few, but open of course for everyone else, maybe we could start just to talk about the closed block VA and you laid out the ROE progression plan for the ongoing book of business, and of course the overall ROE is somewhat pressured by capital allocated to closed block. What options are you considering for capital release going forward there and how had the change in capital markets and higher equity markets or higher interest rate which has actually changed pretty sharply within the IPO impacted those options?

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

Yes. Let me start with a few of the statistics around the block and then we can speak of upwards about some of the strategic options. So if you look at the risk of the block, you can measure that in different ways so one of the metrics we use very often is called the net amount of risk for living benefit. So this is basically what kind of exposure do we have above the accounting values in terms of potential payouts we have to do to the customers. If you look where the block was one and a half years ago there was a number somewhere between $5 billion to $6 billion, where we are today or at the end of 2013, the net amount of risk came down to $2.2 billion so we’re very sharp drop of the net amount of risk. If you look at the resources we have put aside for this block at the end of year and now I'm looking at that from a statutory basis or the statutory resources we have put aside. At the end of the year we were at $4.1 billion, so $4.1 billion of resources and these are statutory reserves as we announced yesterday during our earnings call for the living benefits, for the death benefits in cash flow testing reserves of $3.3 billion and then we have another $800 million of additional assets aside from a statutory basis point of block. So in other words, clearly very good improvement, the risk profile is coming down, we have a significant asset still aside to deal with the block so all very positive. We are focusing for this block in terms of the prime objective to project regulatory and rating agency capital because the most important is that this block doesn’t create any capital surprise and therefore we are very comfortable where we are today and the capital surprises on the statutory basis so therefore we are so focused on a statutory basis. If you look at the GAAP capital what is allocated to this block is very interesting if you would look at where we were at the IPO of ING U.S. approximately 36% of the overall company’s capital was allocated to the closed block variable annuity. In the meantime our total capital has gone up, our book value has been growing since by over $1 billion and of that higher book value now 21% is back into closed block variable annuity. So in other words, more capital and lesser or much lower percentage that is now needed for the Closed Block, so another very positive sign how this book is developing. Rod would you like to speak about the strategic options?

Rod Martin

Operator

Sure. So as we discussed during the road show. We put a significant amount of capital behind this book as you put it out back with your question. And we’re asked frequently and quite understandably what alternatives are you contemplating and kind of on what basis would that thought process be evaluated. And the piece of that we’ve signaled for the market is, we will give an update first no later than the end of the first quarter on the cash flow analysis that we did and we shared with the investment community and investors during the road show. So we’ll update that as of yearend numbers and give you that no later than the first quarter result that’s step one. Step two, given the amount of resources we’ve committed to this, we’re going to do something that’s economic for all stakeholders. This business and block has improved significantly as Ewout has pointed out. So we are open to and believe we are evaluating kind of all alternatives and ideas that you would expect us to be looking at in the course of anyone that has a block of business and looks at these alternatives you all know we have a large book of business and there is not likely a singular silver bullet to the solution. So we’re going to doing something that makes sense and one of the points of value that I talked about was the amount of capital we’ve committed to this so we signaled during the IPO road show do not expect a return of that capital on this book of business sooner than five years. We did that to be conservative. We are highly motivated and aligned I think with our shareholders, if we can find a solution that makes sense we would certainly consider that but we, given that we put a lot of resources behind this business we’re going to smart about it for all stakeholders as we go through this and I think the first step is to update that cash flow analysis give you a perspective on the first quarter call on where we are and the alternatives we’ll consider. Jay Cohen – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: May be one follow up on that, given the size of the block and I think it’s about $40 billion in terms of the EBITDA balances. Would it need to be one singular solution is there anything about the block that makes it, needs it to be one singular solution or there solutions available for reinsuring or offloading portions of the block?

Rod Martin

Operator

I don’t think it absolutely needs to be one single solution it could be a combination of ideas and we’re certainly looking at those. So we are, please don’t look at Closed Block I said this during our road show this is passive management. We have a substantial amount of capital behind this book of business, we take this every bit seriously and managing that capital as we do the ongoing business. And we’re going to do, we’re going to behave in a smart and predictable economic way for this book of business and as we think we -- given the amount of resources within the two that makes sense. Jay Cohen – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: I just had a question on the brand name VOYA, should be expecting a temporary slowdown in sales because of it and really you’re spending incrementally more on advertising to promote the new brand?

Rod Martin

Operator

So let’s take it in two steps. We’ve been very thoughtful about how we run about this process as you probably would expect. And by the way of example we very intensely at the listing wanted to pick a stock ticker simple that wouldn’t change when we move to a new name and that was VOYA. We also wanted the stock ticker symbol to be not some interpretation of our name, so again the VOYA. We also promised our distribution partners and our institutional plans that we would give them a long runway in terms of the process and so at the time we announced the name which was some period of time ago in fact right before or right at the IPO, we’ve had very active communications with both stakeholders our distribution partners and our institutional investors. And at this point, this is the kind of season that you have meetings with those take holders. And I’ve been through a number of them just recently. For example it’s really where at least I wanted it to be and that’s get 100. I mean we know it’s coming, we’re there, we’re mentally prepared for this to get on with it and so we’ve got a staged approach as we just announced. The holding company on April 7th investment management and our employee benefit on May 1 the rest of business on September 1st. And we’re doing that in a strange way so we can just be deliberative and thoughtful and not missing any -- miss any deadlines or some awful a lot of and you’ve all been through this with other companies, but I call wiring and plumbing that’s needed to just change all of those things. So we signaled it I think very comfortably well a year in advance Juan and Glover [ph] in our branding team has done a terrific job of -- I think the communication process with all stakeholders and people are excited about. We’re really ready to move on to this. So I don’t think there will be and I'm not expecting any drop off from sales as we go through this. The expense fees, there is two components of that. We talked about actually both of those on the earnings call yesterday. One is the operational re-branding piece think about that as the plumbing and wiring that you have to do to change all the legal entities and all of the stuff on websites to get that done. That cost alone is $50 million that is of 2014, 2015 expense and that number hasn’t changed we’ve been discussing that number for some period of time. The amount of additional marketing we’re going to do we’re still debating and maybe Alain, you want to just talk a little bit about that.

Alain Karaoglan

Analyst

Yes. So we haven’t announced yet the number in terms of dollar amount on advertising that we’re going to spend. It is costly to re-ramp but we will do so at the appropriate time. And one of things that we want to make sure is that every dollar we spend we get tremendous value. In fact, Jay, what we’d like to do is not to see a slowdown in sales but a pickup in sales as we advertise. We have very well stage in terms of investment management employee benefits and in September the rest of the business and a lot of our customers are also institutional customers where you get a chance to have a conversation. And so the impact of the re-branding may not be as significant as the retail brand that have the re-brand. But we will announce at some point in time this year what are our expectation in terms of advertising we will make sure that we get enough out of it and that our awareness score – brand awareness score as high as better as anyone else that has rebranded before.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. Concerning the Closed Block from a credit perspective, I understand what you’re doing is to try to have the hedge program protect rate capital and rating agency capital, could you may be give us a broad brush view of what would cause a tail risk outcome. What would cause the hedging program to kind of go off the rails what macro factors or external factors [indiscernible] and also I have a follow up.

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

So, let me explain a bit what is exactly this different components of our hedging program. So the hedging program is stated around the movements of the liability in case of a market short both for equity markets and interest rate risk. And the most important is that our equity hedges which are more short future positions as well as our growth hedges which are more swaps positions that they are able to offset the liability movements in case the market turns negative that the hedges provide sufficient offset for the additional statutory reserves we have to pose all the additional rating agency requirements we have to hold in such a situation. So it’s more of a shock kind of offset that we are able to come from. If you look at the hedge effect its very positive, it’s very strong, we are showing at every quarter you see the difference between how the hedges has moved as well as how the reserves on a statutory basis have moved. And over the last few quarters the hedge program is having a very high hedge effectiveness. If you speak about what is really the tail risk that is more of a secondary order of that. So what is happening in case markets go down or markets go up let me speak about the up scenario it is more of the secondary order effect that is then going to help. So markets go up, we’ll see higher fee income over our assets balances so the growth fee income is going up. We see the hedge notionals that come down in such scenario because the policies get more out of the money so the hedge costs are coming down. If the policies get more out of the money we see a pickup in the lapse rates and so the lapse just go up because the lapses are dynamic and we expect higher lapses whether it’s lower in [indiscernible] so the book is running off faster and that is the optimal positive development. So, the hedge program is really focused on the short-term impact and to deal with it, whether long-term impact with respect to positive markets as we have seen over the last half year three quarters that is really helpful for the book and if, for example if you look at the lapse rates for the last quarter for the fourth quarter of 2013 that was for the first time over 10% on an annualized basis. So we’re very, another very positive development.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. But that’s what I’m trying to get to, it has been a positive development now. What would you -- has there been any sort of thinking about what would cause it to be maybe de-link or go the other way what would we -- I mean are you saying intentional circumstances, what sort of extreme scenario we have to see to go up what kind of trouble here?

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

So the hedge is again is to protect the downside. So if there is a sudden shock of 10%, 15% equity market growth today for whatever reason and the hedge program is there that’s why we have the hedge program to deal with it and to offset these additional southern capital requirements that we have to post. But let’s say the opposite of what I just said in the up market is happening in the down market. So if markets go down we will see a higher [indiscernible] levels, lower lapses, lower fees so that effect will permitting gradually over time and that is still an exposure we have on the book.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then the follow up you talked about the 500 plus RBC ratio, the target 425. But from what I understand the build-in capital that’s a blend in rate right which includes Closed Block Variable Annuity are down.

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

No.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So how should we think about then the repatriation or the give back, the progress to the target RBC often time 500 or 425 or should we think about it that way, is that kind of a plan?

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

Yes. Let me explain a bit of different components of our capital structure. So the RBC ratio relates to our regulated insurance entity so our five prime insurance entities that are having their accounts on a statutory basis. So 504% RBC relates to approximately in total terms $1.1 billion excess over the 425% RBC target level that we’re aiming at. And of the $1.1 billion we expect that we can take out in terms of ordinary dividend capacity $800 million so $800 million will be available ordinary dividend from the $1.1 billion. The RBC does not include our reinsurance entities, future life of them international whereas most of the [indiscernible] book reinsure, I just gave you a dose in capital numbers so shortly on the statutory basis, we are very comfortable where we are today. It doesn’t include our investment management entity so that is an entity where all the profits are available for upswing to the holding. And it doesn’t include your holding company itself, and the holding company itself at the end of the year had a liquidity position of $600 million. So overall if you look at the different components we are very comfortable where we are from a capital perspective to each of the different areas. We have now to determine which part of that capital position is excess capital, we will go through the following process, we will first close our statutory accounts at the end of this month. So the statutory financial statements will be ready at the end of February then we will get our operating plans for the next few years, we will make a determination what is the best way to do with excess capital, how much is available and what is the most value enhancing way to return it to shareholders, have a discussion with our Board and then we will come back to you at the latest when we announce our first quarter results so that will be early May of this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you very much. Sorry to go back to the VA block again but I wondered if you could speak to the effectiveness of the hedge program in the event that bear flattener is the scenario that proves out over the next two to three quarters?

Rod Martin

Operator

Can you repeat the question, what scenario?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

What’s the vulnerability of the hedge program now particularly the interest rate portion if you get a bear flattener yield curve over the next two to three quarters?

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

So our swap positions are very long positions and they really match the duration of the liabilities so the average duration of the swaps is approximately 18 years. So we think from a hedge program overall risk perspective, we are sufficiently covered. If rates do not move a lot we also don’t see a local movement in the statutory reserve, so in that case the hedge also is not contributing a lot neither in a gain because the reserve doesn’t move or in a loss the reserve, I have someone showing. In more or less at flat rate scenario, the hedge doesn’t do a lot, the hedge is really helping the rates will fall back and the hedge is having some negative run rates will move up but again that’s been offset by some of the short releases we see at the same time.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And just a brief follow up, I don’t know if this is disclosed in prior discussions, but if it’s at all possible to know just on the interest rate portion what is the gross notional value and what is the mark-to-market value of replacement cost relative to each other in the last quarterly close day?

Ewout Steenbergen

Analyst

We do disclose in our Qs and Ks some of our hedges notional position, so you should be able to see the development of that in terms of direction while it is very clear that the hedge notional have to come down off the last 12 months in line with the markets we’re at and the effect that we have to hold less hedge positions because the risk in terms of the book is from now. Jay Cohen – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: I think we’re going to have to stop there. Let’s thank Rod, Alain and Ewout for their time.

Rod Martin

Operator

Thank you.