Valmont Industries, Inc. (VMI) Q2 2021 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Greetings and welcome to the Valmont Industries Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Ms. Renee Campbell, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Thank you. Please, go ahead.

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Valmont Industries second quarter 2021 earnings call. With me on today's call are Steve Kaniewski, President and Chief Executive Officer; Avner Applbaum, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Tim Francis, Senior Vice President and Corporate Controller. This morning, Steve will provide a brief summary of our second quarter results and comment on our strategy and long-term business outlook. Avner will review our financial performance and provide trends and key assumptions for the balance of 2021, with closing remarks from Steve. This will be followed by Q&A. A live webcast of the presentation will accompany today's discussion and is available for download from the webcast or on the Investors page at valmont.com. A replay of today's call will be available for the next seven days. Please also note that this conference call is subject to our disclosure on forward-looking statements, which applies to today's discussion and is outlined on slide two of the presentation. It will also be read in full at the end of this call. I would now like to turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Kaniewski.

Thank you, Renee. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we recap our second quarter results, I would like to share some opening comments. First, I want to thank our employees around the world for their consistent execution against our strategic priorities and supporting our customers, as global markets begin to recover from the pandemic. Like many companies, we have faced unprecedented levels of cost inflation, especially raw materials and transportation since the beginning of the year. These levels are pervasive and must be accounted for in market pricing. So it has been an imperative for us to quickly increase prices globally across all of our businesses. Current economic trends lead us to believe that inflation will not mitigate in the near term, especially for durable goods. And we will continue to take additional pricing actions in all segments as needed, while inflationary pressures continue. For example, in North America irrigation, this year we've raised price five times on irrigation systems, totaling more than 30%, inclusive of upcoming increases. And in utility, utilizing our pricing mechanisms, we've raised price seven times on steel monopoles. As we have demonstrated over the past few years, price leadership is a strategic priority for us and will continue to be in all of our served markets. Next, I would like to thank our global operations and production teams who have done an excellent job this year with productivity and managing through these unique supply chain dynamics. I want to commend them on the improvement in ship complete and on-time metrics, even as our business is accelerating. We're proud of our team's persistent focus and we expect to continue building on this strong momentum going forward. Now, let me start with a brief recap of our second quarter, summarized on slide four of the presentation. Record sales of $894.6 million increased $205.8 million, or nearly 30% compared to last year and increased more than 26% on a constant currency basis. Sales growth was realized in all segments, most specifically in irrigation and utility support structures. Starting with utility. Sales of $267.9 million grew $36.5 million or 15.8% compared to last year. Higher volumes were driven by strong broad-based demand from ongoing investments in grid hardening and modernization, as well as renewable energy generation. Moving to engineered support structures. Record sales of $269.4 million increased $16 million, or 6.3% compared to last year. Favorable currency and pricing impacts, as well as sales growth in wireless communication products and components were slightly offset by anticipated lower North American transportation market volumes. Global lighting and transportation sales grew 3.3% as pricing improved in all regions and international markets benefited from increasing stimulus and infrastructure investments, especially in Europe and Australia. Wireless communication products and component sales grew 7.2% compared to last year. Carrier spending in support of 5G build-outs continues to drive strong demand globally, as evidenced by significantly higher sales of our small cell integrated products. Favorable pricing also contributed to sales growth. I want to take a moment to congratulate our ESS team on delivering a record quarter of sales and operating income. I'm especially proud of our commercial teams for their demonstrated price leadership during this inflationary environment. Turning to Coatings. Sales of $98.2 million grew $18.2 million or 22.7% compared to last year and improved sequentially from last quarter, due to improving end market demand favorable pricing and currency impacts. During second quarter we commenced operations at our new greenfield coatings facility near Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, built with enhanced processes to generate less heat and humidity and providing additional recycling opportunities. This facility aligns well with our ESG principles while serving the growing demand for new infrastructure in this region. Moving to Irrigation. Near record global sales of $282 million grew $131.3 million or 87.2%, compared to last year with sales growth across all served markets including more than 35% growth in our technology sales. Higher volumes and favorable pricing were driven by the continued strength of ag market fundamentals and deliveries for the large Egypt project. In North America sales of $156.1 million grew 57.6% year-over-year. Strong market fundamentals and improved net farm income projections continue to positively impact farmer sentiment generating strong order flow. Significantly higher volumes, higher average selling prices and higher industrial tubing sales all contributed to sales growth. International sales of $125.9 million grew 1.4 times compared to last year, led by the ongoing delivery of the Egypt project strong European market demand and record sales in Brazil, where sales through the second quarter have exceeded full year 2020 revenue, a testament to our market leadership in this region. Regarding our project pipeline in Africa, we recently were awarded more than $20 million of additional projects from new customers in Egypt, Sudan and Rwanda demonstrating our market leadership, global operations footprint and project management capabilities. Turning to Slide 5. During the quarter, we completed the acquisition of Prospera Technologies an award-winning global leader in AI and machine learning. For those who attended our virtual Investor Day in May, you will recall how we outlined our strategic pillars for long-term profitable growth. Accelerating innovation through investments in recurring revenue services is one of the critical components of our industrial tech growth strategy. Through this acquisition together Valmont and Prospera have created the most global vertically integrated AI company in agriculture, immediately providing a highly differentiated solution focused on in-season crop performance that is able to go beyond traditional irrigated acres. No one else in the industry can offer this kind of solution. Prospera brings advanced agronomy and unprecedented visibility to the field. Their technology is currently being used on over 5300 fields on a variety of crops including corn, soybeans, potatoes, wheat, onions, alfalfa and tomatoes. Growers are very excited about this technology as evidenced by strong adoption rates and the critical need for growers to reduce inputs, while increasing yields aligning well with our ESG principles of conserving resources and improving life. Through Prospera's solution vision and talented team we are moving to the next stage of agricultural development. Today, approximately half of our irrigation technology sales are generated from recurring revenue services. With this acquisition, we expect those particular sales to grow more than 50% per year over the next three to five years. We also expect this acquisition to be accretive to the segment beginning in 2023, as we continue investing in our in-season data services. Integration is going well, and we plan to share more on our accelerated market growth strategy in future quarters. Additionally, in today's market the war for talent is pervasive and competitive. Prospera brings the strongest team in the industry and we are fortunate to have 100 highly talented and motivated employees on board, including experts in data science and machine learning. As you can tell, I'm very excited about this acquisition. It builds upon our demonstrated success over the past two years as we move forward together as one company. We also completed the acquisition of PivoTrac, a subscription-based ag tech company that provides remote sensing and monitoring solutions for the Southwest US market helping grow our technology sales to $50 million year-to-date. Turning to slide 6. Our solar business is another area where we are accelerating growth and new product innovation, while supporting our sustainability commitments. During Investor Day, we talked about solar growth opportunities in both utility and agriculture, and I'm very excited to see our growing pipeline of projects in both end markets. Our backlog of utility scale and distributed generation projects has been increasing as we expand the solution globally. In the second quarter, we were awarded projects totaling $47 million. Additionally, over the past 18 months, we received more than 30 orders for the North American market. With our industry-recognized class-of-one status and the benefits of our scale and global supply chain, we're uniquely positioned to help support global customers with their renewable energy goals. Our solar solutions are also driving accelerated growth in agricultural markets. In the second quarter, we were awarded three projects totaling $25 million. We've already completed several others in sun-belt regions like Brazil and Sudan, and are planning an official North American market launch this fall at the Husker Harvest Days farm event. We are also partnering with large global food producers to help them achieve their own ESG goals. Working together with our utility solar team and world-class valley dealer network, we have formed a global cross-functional team committed to delivering integrated solutions to support ag players in their markets. We're very excited about this growth potential. Turning to slide 7. At our Investor Day, I talked about several of our ESG initiatives, and highlighted the many ways that our products and services, conserve resources and improve life, and help build a more sustainable world. As we've said before, ESG is a strategic priority for us. It's embedded into our strategic deployment process that drives our most important initiatives at Valmont, and we are pleased that our efforts are being acknowledged externally. One example is with Institutional Shareholder Services or ISS. Our environment and social quality scores have improved significantly this year from a six to a two for environment and from a six to a three for social while governance has held steady at a solid two. While this is a continuous journey, we are proud of the progress we have made so far. I want to congratulate our teams and business partners, who are strengthening our commitment to grow and innovation as a company with ESG in mind. With that, I will now turn the call over to Avner for our second quarter financial review and 2021 outlook.

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 9 and second quarter results, my comments will focus on the adjusted results as outlined in the press release and in the Reg G disclosure in the presentation appendix. Operating income of $90.9 million or 10.2% of sales grew $25.2 million or 38% compared to last year, driven by higher volumes in Irrigation, improved operating performance and a favorable pricing, notably in engineered support structures. Diluted earnings per share of $3.06 grew more than 50% compared to last year, primarily driven by very strong operating income and a more favorable tax rate of 22.5%. This rate was realized through the execution of certain tax planning strategies. Turning to the segments. On slide 10, in Utility Support Structures, operating income of $21.2 million or 7.9% of sales, decreased $4.1 million or 300 basis points compared to last year. Strong volumes, increased pricing and improved operational performance were more than offset by the ongoing impact of rapidly rising raw material costs during the quarter, which our pricing mechanisms did not allow us to recover. Moving to slide 11, in Engineered Support Structures. Record operating income of $31.9 million or 11.9% of sales, increased $9 million or 290 basis points compared to last year. We're extremely pleased with the results from deliberate, proactive pricing actions taken by our commercial teams to more than offset the impact of a rapid cost inflation. We're also recognizing the benefits of previous restructuring actions. Additionally, our operations team continued to drive performance improvement across the segment, through improved productivity and product quality and better ship-complete and on-time delivery metrics. Turning to slide 12. In the Coatings segment, operating income of $14.7 million or 14.9% of sales was $4.3 million or 190 basis points higher, compared to last year. Higher volumes, favorable pricing and operational efficiencies, more than offset the impact of raw material cost inflation. Moving to slide 13. In the Irrigation segment, operating income of $42.9 million or 15.2% of sales, nearly doubled compared to last year, and was 80 basis points higher year-over-year. Significantly higher volumes and favorable pricing were slightly offset by higher R&D expense for strategic technology growth investments including product development. Turning to cash flow on slide 14. We delivered positive operating cash flows of $37 million and positive free cash flow this quarter, despite continued inflationary pressures, increasing our working capital needs. This quarter, we closed on Prospera acquisition for a purchase price of $300 million, funded through a combination of cash on hand and short-term borrowing on our revolving credit facility. We also acquired 100% of the assets of PivoTrac for $12.5 million, funded by cash on hand. As we've stated in prior quarters, rapid raw material inflation can create short-term impacts on cash flows. The current market outlook indicates that general inflationary trends may not subside in 2021, so we would expect some continued short-term impacts. We expect working capital levels and inventory to remain elevated, to help us mitigate supply chain disruptions and opportunistically lock in better raw material pricing. Accounts receivable will also meaningfully increase in line with sales growth. As our historical results have shown, we will see improvements in working capital, as inflation subsides. Turning to slide 15 for a summary of capital deployment. Capital spending in first half of 2021 was $49 million and we returned $42 million of capital to shareholders, through dividends and share repurchases, ending the quarter with just over $199 million of cash. Moving now to slide 16. Our balance sheet remains strong, with no significant long-term debt maturities until 2044. Our leverage ratio of total debt to adjusted EBITDA of 2.3 times remains within our desired range of 1.5 times to 2.5 times. Let me now turn to slide 17 for an update to our 2021 outlook, including a few key metrics and assumptions. We are increasing sales and EPS guidance for fiscal 2021. Net sales are now estimated to grow 16% to 19% year-over-year, driven primarily by very strong agriculture market fundamentals. Further, we now expect Irrigation segment sales to grow 45% to 50% year-over-year and continue to assume a foreign currency translation benefit of 2% of net sales. 2021 adjusted earnings per share is now estimated to be between $10.40 and $11.10. I want to take a moment to discuss the rationale for providing an adjusted earning outlook going forward. As a technology company, the cost structure of Prospera is very different than any acquisition in Valmont's history, including a significant restricted stock grant for talent retention purposes. We have also acquired intangible technology assets. We believe that by excluding Prospera's intangible asset amortization and share-based compensation in the adjusted financials, the metrics will provide a better comparison of future irrigation segment performance as compared to historical results. A table outlining the reconciliation of these adjusted items to GAAP is included in the presentation appendix and press release. Other metrics and assumptions for 2021 are also summarized on the slide and in the release. Turning to our second half 2021 segment outlook on slide 18. In Utility Support Structures, we expect a meaningful sequential improvement to the quality of earnings beginning in the third quarter driven by margin improvement as pricing becomes more aligned with steel cost inflation. Moving to Engineered Support Structures. We expect continued short-term softness in North American transportation market and improved demand in commercial lighting. Demand for wireless communication products and components remain strong, and we expect sales growth in line with expected market growth of 15% to 20%. Moving to Coatings. End-market demand tends to correlate closely to general economic trends. We are focused on pricing excellence and providing value to our customers. Moving to Irrigation. We expect a very strong year of 45% to 50% sales growth based on strength in global underlying ag fundamentals, the estimated timing of deliveries of the large Egypt project, and another record sales year in Brazil. A couple of reminders that I want to mention for this segment. The first is that, the third quarter is a lower sales quarter compared to the rest of the year, due to normal business seasonality. Second, deliveries of the large Egypt project began in fourth quarter of 2020, which will affect year-over-year growth comparisons. And as Steve mentioned earlier, we have been consistently raising prices to offset inflationary pressures. With that, I will now turn the call back over to Steve.

Thank you, Avner. Turning to slide 19 and the long-term drivers of our segments. Overall, we continue to see strong demand and positive momentum across all businesses evidenced by backlog of more than $1.3 billion at the end of second quarter. And the demand drivers are in place to sustain this momentum into 2022. Like many others, we are closely monitoring the COVID Delta variant and continue to follow state and local regulations to keep our employees and customers safe. At present, government-mandated shutdowns in Malaysia have led to the temporary closure of three of our small facilities there. The expected impacts from these closures have been included in our full year financial outlook. Turning to slide 20. In summary, I'm very pleased with our strong second quarter results and our team's ability to navigate and capitalize on challenging market dynamics. We believe this demonstrates the strength and sustainability of our business and long-term strategy, favorable end-market trends and strong price leadership in the marketplace. As we discussed at our Investor Day, we remain focused on the execution of our strategy which is fueled by our dedicated and talented team of 10,000 employees and our differentiated business model. Through our acquisition of Prospera Technologies and PivoTrac, we are accelerating growth through investments in innovation, technology and IoT, building on our strategy to grow recurring revenue services. Finally, we're very positive on the year as demonstrated by our updated financial outlook and are poised and well positioned to capture growth and drive shareholder value in the future. I will now turn the call back over to Renee.

Thank you, Steve. At this time, the operator will open up the call for questions.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Chris Moore of CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Hey. Good morning guys. Maybe we could just start with solar. So utility solar contracts $47 million in orders in Q2. Just trying to get a feel for how big the projects are here. Is that one or two customers? Is it 10?

Hi, Chris, this is Steve. So we're targeting both utility scale and distributed generation because we think that that will be the mix of generation going forward. So it's a number of customers. It's not just one or two. I won't say 10 but it's -- the project size is a couple of million kind of each when you look at that. So it's a way to support developers of solar and distributed. And then we will typically call out the larger-scale utility orders like we had at the end of last year where they were somewhere in the range of about $25 million to $30 million each.

Got you. That's helpful. And maybe just one more for me. The Egypt contract $240 million kind of estimated, roughly how much of that will have been recognized by the end of 2021?

Well, it would be a little over half. We started in fourth quarter last year. It's been pretty even. So by the time we get through 2021, I'd say 55%, 60% the rest being delivered in 2022.

Got it. Helpful. I just want to make sure it wasn't really accelerating this year. I'll leave it there. Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Thanks, Chris.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Nathan Jones of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Nathan.

Hey.

Maybe we could start on Prospera, now that it's actually in the portfolio. Can you talk about the expected contribution of revenue in the second half, the expected contribution to EPS? Just start with that.

Yeah. Hi, Nathan, this is Avner. So, as it relates to revenue in 2021, I would say it'd be nominal as we start ramping up, so not a large impact for 2021. As it relates to EPS, it will be actually decretive in 2021. As Steve mentioned will start to be accretive to the segment in 2023. So if you want to ballpark it, I'd say about $0.30 to $0.35 decretive for our results in 2021.

Right. And Nathan, I would just add that since we were in partnership with Prospera, we were already recognizing revenue. So that's why the increase in revenue or the incremental piece would be more nominal. It will be -- there will be some growth, but it won't be as substantial because we were already seeing that.

Okay. So understanding that this is a bit of a different acquisition for you guys, can you talk about how long does it take Valmont to get this business to earn a return that's greater than your cost of capital? Just -- I guess that for a first question. At what point in the future here do you think that Prospera is going to earn a return for Valmont that's greater than your cost of capital?

Sure. The margins that are associated with Prospera are very much higher than our typical industrial margins. And so, if you think about 60% to 70% gross margins with the way that we kind of see the growth roughly around 50% over the next three to five years, the recurring revenue, we would anticipate this is more of a transformative acquisition. So normally, we would say within three years. This is probably more like four, maybe five. But really does start to change the way that the segment looks as we go forward, particularly on the gross side where you could see 500 to 800 basis points of improvement as we look out in the longer term.

Nathan, I'll just add one more point. As you think about this business, the working capital needs are really minimal being kind of a tech business with very little working capital intensity. So that's another good driver for return on invested capital.

Where are the margins today? And where do you think they'll be in three to five years?

Yeah. On the gross side, we are already seeing margins in that -- again that 60% to 70% range. So we will continue to invest. So the SG&A line will look a little heavier than it would be for a traditional industrial business. But overall this is a strong margin business. We would expect that to continue as adoption picks up. And so we can see that 60% to 70% range really holding pretty steady through the period. We saw that even though the market had been declining over the past six, seven years as we started our tech sales. So I think we're on pretty solid footing when it comes to those margin levels.

And on the operating margin levels, where are they today? And where should they be in that three to five-year time frame?

Well, they're decretive right now and will be through 2022, because of the reinvestment back into the business for growth. And so if you think about 2021 and 2022, again, we would start to get closer to breakeven by the end of 2022 and then building in 2023. And really is that year four, five you would really start to see things that would be closer to a 30% kind of operating.

Okay. Great. Thanks. I’ll pass it on.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ryan Connors of Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to get your take on this announcement kind of on tape from PG&E that they're going to try to bury a lot of their power lines out there because of the fires and the fact that the above-ground lines are apparently one of the causes behind some of these tragic events there. Driving some concern, I guess, that maybe underground lines are the wave of the future. Can you -- I mean, I know that's not a new risk, but this is kind of a high profile example of that front page of The Wall Street Journal. What's your -- can you just give us your reaction your take on that as a substitution risk on USS?

Yes. It's very small, Ryan. What we see -- we saw this with Lake Champlain. We see it kind of in other selected areas as -- that they may take something that is really through part of maybe a tinder box and bury it. But it does cost 10 times to 12 times more in total construction, which rate payers really do push back on the PUCs really push back on. And from a high-voltage perspective and I think we've said this before, the heat generated really makes it impractical from a transmission perspective. So where you see the substitution tends to be more in distribution. And distribution at least for us is a smaller part of our business. And what we've seen from California is much more in the way of both concrete and fiberglass solutions, which we offer both on the distributed side at least for the, I'll call it the long-haul miles. There's also a tech play for us that we've been participating in on that side, which is the remote monitoring of the right of way and we have some solutions that are able to give the operators much more visibility at a specific structure level as to a right-of-way intrusion a fire earthquake those kinds of things. So I think it will be out there. It's something that does make sense in certain types of areas. But from a substitution at least as it pertains to our business, it's still pretty very small.

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And my other one was kind of a big picture in nature. And just looking at inflation and how it actually impacts your portfolio of businesses. I mean, you talked about inflation as a headwind and sort of suggest that if it goes away that's a good thing. But yet you just posted a record quarter right in the middle of this inflationary environment. So obviously that inflationary environment is helping the ag business, the irrigation business, because of commodity prices and farm incomes, doesn't seem to be hurting the other businesses. I mean, if you think about why steel is up, it's because you and your peers are seeing a lot of demand. So I mean -- with inflation going away and even though that helps you on the cost side would that really help us from an earnings standpoint, or would that sort of be more than offset by negative demand circumstances of that environment changing out there?

Yes. The reason for our comment about the headwind is particularly as it moves so fast our pricing mechanisms most specifically in utility can't catch up fast enough. And so as inflation abates even if it just plateaus, we will then see a pretty significant catch-up in margins. So if you think about how we go into 2022, we'll have a catch up in margin. Long-term we've always said, we like inflation. It's just when it moves this quickly it does provide some drag on the business, but if inflation were a more typical 3% to 5% that's very healthy for our business. So you're right you could worry about demand destruction, but it's not something that we're worried about in the present time because markets are strong. It's just been the rate has been so dramatic that you're playing catch up with your pricing to catch that. We've seen it in Irrigation which is why we didn't get maybe a little more leverage in Irrigation. It's utility $8 million worth of steel costs that we could not pass-through in price. But as you get to a more normalized either growth of inflation or just even a plateau we tend to catch up very fast. It does consume a lot of working capital too in the meantime, which is another consideration. But we've been well capitalized and we have the wherewithal to be able to handle it.

Got it. Well, look I appreciate the comprehensive response.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Brian Drab of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning. This is Blake Keating on for Brian.

Hi, Blake.

Hi.

You guys mentioned last call meaningful sequential improvement in the second half utility margin. Do you still expect that improvement to be around 200 bps to 300 bps versus the first half?

Yes. It would be definitely approaching more of our, I'll say, normalized kind of margins in there. So if you think about the performance of the segment at 10% to 11% operating we would get closer back to that as we look at the second half of the year.

Got it. Then just one quick follow-up. What's -- what are some of the drivers behind the international strength in Irrigation outside of the Egypt project? Was any of the strength in Brazil prebuying ahead of further price increases or anything of that nature?

It is broad-based. It's every one of our served markets. And so if you look at Europe, it's based on just normal ag fundamentals and very good net farm income projections. And so Europe across the board both Western Europe, Eastern Europe and kind of the Ukraine Russia area have all performed extremely well. We're seeing additional project work outside of Egypt and Africa as we mentioned in our comments. And Brazil, the FINAME program and the fact that it's still a US dollar-derived commodity really have accelerated the demand there as Brazil, let's say, next to the US is really helping to get protein stocks built back up whether that's chicken, pork, beef. As we know there are some pretty notable shortages out there around the world both here in the US and in China. So those fundamentals are what's driving the order flow globally.

Got it. Thank you.

Thanks, Blake.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from Jon Braatz of Kansas City Capital. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Steve, Avner.

Good morning.

In the solar area -- your solar business seems to be gaining some momentum. And the solar industry is rather strong at this point. I guess, my question Steve is do you see yourself gaining share in that business in that industry at this point, or are you sort of just matching what the market is giving you?

I'll answer it twofold. I think in the short-term we're very careful because of the cost profiles particularly around steel and some of the PV shortages that are out there. Some players in the industry got caught. We didn't. So we foregoed some orders simply because it would have been loss-making. I think as we look at some of our awards that we've announced, those are at margin levels, where we can make good money. And I think that's accelerating as people see more and more of us particularly in the US market. In the agricultural space that is a brand-new business for us and accelerating very quickly. And so as large food processors are thinking about ways to hit their own ESG targets. They don't want to go to electrical contractor, another electrical contractor, have risk of performance et cetera. So the bankability of our balance sheet, our valley dealer network, as well as a company that's been in the utility power generation business for well over 40 years. I think that's going to really help us to grow market share as we go forward. So it was a great quarter by both teams the utility and the IP. And I think you'll start to see that as the market kind of recalibrates around the new cost structure, solar generation is still on a very solid ground as compared to other generation sources. I think what you'll see in the market is the idea that cost minus kind of goes away in this kind of environment.

Okay. Thank you. I have one other question. On the irrigation side, the North American farmer is going to have a pretty good year. And as they look at their tax situation at year-end, would you envision that there might be a if you want to call it a surge in business in the fourth quarter as growers try to reduce their taxable income?

As it would stand right now that kind of dynamic we've seen in the past, so it's very plausible that that would happen. Obviously, if there were some tax changes out of Washington D.C. that could be more pronounced. And so we're standing ready to take advantage of it if it does occur. But it's quite a plausible scenario as we've seen through the way farmers purchase and do tax planning together.

Yes. Okay. All right, Steve. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up coming from Ryan Connors of Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.

Hey thanks for taking for the follow-up. I just -- I wanted to get your take on the sort of the infrastructure bill situation. I mean it's like sort of ironic. We cover infrastructure stocks exclusively and we're three for three. Valmont's the third company this week for us to report infrastructure company to report record revenue and earnings and yet we've got Congress still kind of debating an infrastructure build to "stimulate" that market. What's your take? I mean do you think that's going to happen? Does the market even need stimulus at this point? It seems like things are going pretty well.

Yes. We had said in our outlook earlier that an infrastructure build to us would be incremental and not accounted for in our guidance. That's because states and state spending make up the vast majority of what we see in our business. So, at a federal level if more came in it's really like additional adrenalin to the market. And so, it would help it would move things along it would be definitely incremental to our business but it's not necessary in terms of just the way our business performs quarter-over-quarter. I think that the chances are still good that something will come out at least along bridges, highways and roads. It's kind of the other side of telecom and transmission that is still debatable based on funding and how they're going to pay for it. So I would say right now it's 50-50 but we're not banking the business so to speak on having to see something come out of that. Now, in Australia and Europe, we have seen stimulus. They've gotten it through. It is a part of helping our business even in the current profile.

And can you just remind us, what's order of magnitude, how big is US road and highway-type projects as a percentage of total Valmont, let's say revenue?

Well I'd say within the ESS segment, if the segment itself is close to $1 billion the traffic and lighting piece is maybe three quarters of it. And of that DOT work, I'd say probably half.

Okay.

The commercial lighting -- that just goes to commercial and then we have the DOT piece. So I think that's probably the way to look at it.

Got it. And thanks again for your time.

Thanks, Ryan.

At this time, I'd like to turn the floor back over to Ms. Campbell, for closing comments.

Thank you everyone, for joining us today. As mentioned, today's call will be available for playback on our website or by phone for the next seven days and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

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