Douglas Cifu
Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead
Yes, no, it’s a great question, obviously. It’s front of mind. And we have tried very much to be front-footed in talking to clients and the regulators and lawmakers about this over the years and indeed more recently. I think the issue is really there is a misunderstanding with regard to what the term of payment for workflow means as people use it synonymously with wholesale market making and frankly, that’s a mistake, which leads to confusion and misinformation. Wholesaling, by nature, is a business which we and a bunch of other firms are engaged in, where we are providing immediate execution on over 8,000 reg NMS listed securities as well as meaningful price and size improvement to every marketable order that comes in. So, retail flow comes in and by its nature, it’s a little more balanced. And because of our ability to offer price improvement that is better than the national best bid or best offer, retail investors are benefited from us providing that service to the tune, from a Virtu perspective, of about $1.3 billion and we estimate, as an industry in 2020, that Virtu, Citadel, Susquehanna, Two Sigma and the other firms, UBS, that provides this wholesaling service, provided $3.6 billion of price improvement, nothing to do with payment for workflow, but literal price improvement off of the national best bid or best offer. So if you are a retail investor, you are able today to pay no commission, sent an order of up to 9,999 shares, right and received either the NBBO or in many instances, better than the NBBO on that entire order. There are lot of institutional clients that are maybe listening is that I have talked to that would happily take that deal, right. They are sending similarly excited orders in similar names and they are paying us a commission and they would be thrilled if we get the touch, right. So, retail investment – if just take a step back at the ecosystem and what we and our competitors have developed in partnership with the over 200-odd trading platforms, etcetera, it’s an unbelievable ecosystem that we all should be very proud of and regulators and policymakers and folks that study the market that look at that say – and really look at the data, right and avoid the histrionics, if you will, look at that and say, well, that’s a great system, right, like really who is not benefiting from that system. And we are putting risk capital up to provide that service and we get paid through internalizing, if you will and realizing the bid offer spread as best we can. Some days, we don’t make any money in that business, right, because flow can be sharp and unidirectional or whatnot and on balance, we do. But we have been at that business for over 20 years and invested billions of dollars in technology to make that work. Now, some retail brokers charge the wholesale market makers a fee and that’s called payment for product flow, right, for executing the order flow. But as I have said before, there is about a dozen or so firms that do that of the 200 retail brokers, platforms, etcetera, that we connect to. And as a general matter, we are agnostic, Rich, as to whether or not a broker charges it or not. We look at that as really the same as any other fee, right or charge that we are going to have from connecting to any other kind of exchange, financial intermediary, bank broker. We are connected to hundreds of venues and banks and brokers around the world and a lot of times we are paying for order flow, right. In this instance, it’s with a handful of retail brokers. The important statistic is that we paid – that we provided, excuse me, over 3.5x, 3.5x price improvement if you will to PFA right. So the vast preponderance of what we are doing as a service in the industry is providing price improvement. And then finally, all of the retail brokers that require payment for order flow do it at a standardized rate. And so really the competition between us and our competitive wholesalers is 100% based on what level of execution, quality or price improvement can we provide back to their end-users, right. So in terms of the ecosystem and who is ultimately benefiting it really is the retail investor.