Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Veracyte's Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Tracy Morris, Veracyte's Vice President of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations. You may begin.

Thank you, Erica. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us today for a discussion of our third quarter 2021 financial results. With me today are Marc Stapley, Veracyte's Chief Executive Officer; and Rebecca Chambers, our Chief Financial Officer. Veracyte issued a press release earlier this afternoon detailing our third quarter financial results. This news release, along with the business and financial presentation, is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at veracyte.com. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that various statements that we may make during this call will include forward-looking statements as defined under applicable securities laws. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and the company can give no assurance that they will prove to be correct. Further, we are not under any obligation to provide further updates on our business trends or our performance during the quarter. To better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, we refer you to the documents that Veracyte filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including Veracyte's most recent Forms 10-Q and 10-K. I will now turn the call over to Marc Stapley, Veracyte CEO.

Thanks, Tracy, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today. It's a pleasure to be here to provide an update. We are pleased with our performance in the third quarter as we delivered revenue of $60.4 million, representing growth of 94% over the prior year, despite some COVID-19 related headwinds. We have also executed on some key milestones since our last update, significantly advancing our strategy. In August, we completed the acquisition of HalioDx, securing our future to develop and manufacture our own test kits for the nCounter system. This will provide physicians and their patients all around the world with access to our growing menu of tests, which we are in the process of transitioning to the instrument. Prior to considering the transfer of our tests onto the nCounter, they were developed as LDTs for the U.S. market in one of our CLIA labs. We pursue reimbursement via a process of evidence development, publications, guideline inclusion and KOL adoption. Our tests are designed from the ground up to answer very specific clinical unmet needs while fitting into the physician's workflow. And they leverage not only our deep scientific expertise in whole transcriptome genomics, but also now our expertise in immuno-oncology, a rapidly growing field. With the addition of HalioDx, we now address 8 of the Top 10 cancers in the U.S. by indication. Our expanding menu of tests will improve outcomes for patients all over the world at every step of their journey by, for example, ruling out unnecessary surgeries, providing diagnostic clarity, helping physicians with treatment decisions, or helping to detect cancer early when it can be successfully treated. To further assist physicians with the treatment of patients, our menu of tests is bolstered by our partnerships with biopharma companies to whom we provide our extensive genomic and clinical…

Thanks, Marc. As Marc mentioned, we are pleased with our third quarter performance. Our revenue for the quarter was $60.4 million, an increase of 94% over prior year and included a $4.7 million revenue contribution from HalioDx. Our strong results were driven largely by outstanding commercial execution in our urology business. Testing revenue equaled $50.9 million with an ASP of approximately $2,700 per test. Afirma, Envisia and Percepta GSC were over 11,000 tests in total, an increase of 10% compared to the third quarter of 2020, while Decipher contributed nearly 7,500 tests for the quarter. Product revenue contributed $3 million, or 45% growth year-over-year, with Prosigna volume of around 2,150 tests. Biopharmaceutical and other revenue equaled $6.5 million, including HalioDx. Testing gross margin was 68%, and our product gross margin was 50%, both of which were slightly lower sequentially. Biopharmaceutical and other gross margin was 37%, lower sequentially, primarily due to a purchase price accounting adjustment to the inventory held by HalioDx. In total, gross margin was 64%, a decrease of 400 basis points sequentially. Operating expenses, excluding the cost of revenue, increased $10.3 million sequentially to $55.4 million. Of the sequential increase, $7.5 million was related to stock-based compensation expense, intangible asset amortization and acquisition costs attributable to the HalioDx acquisition. Broken down by category, the $55.4 million of operating expenses are as follows. R&D expense grew 1.8 million to $8 million, driven primarily by the 2-month impact of the HalioDx R&D organization. Sales and marketing expenses grew $2 million to approximately $21.7 million, again, driven primarily by the 2-month impact of HalioDx. G&A expenses were $20.7 million, including approximately $5.8 million of acquisition-related expenses. Total operating expense included $8 million of stock-based compensation expense. We recorded a net loss of $14.1 million, including $6.3 million of net loss from HalioDx and $5.8 million of acquisition-related expenses. Net cash used in operating expense -- in operating activities was $1.4 million, and we ended the quarter with $168 million of cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments. Turning now to our 2021 guidance. Given the potential for volatility created by vaccine mandates, staff shortages, COVID and supply chain challenges, we are maintaining our previous guidance range while adding the contribution from HalioDx. As a result, we are now projecting revenue of $210 million to $218 million, including HalioDx revenue of approximately $10 million. In all, we are pleased with the quarter and remain confident in our position and ability to execute on our plans as we build on our success through 2021 and beyond. Thank you for your time. I will now turn the call back to Tracy.

Thank you, Rebecca. We will now go into the Q&A section of the call. And joining us will also be Dr. Giulian Kennedy, Veracyte's Chief Scientific Officer and Chief Medical Officer; and Dr. Tina Nova, General Manager of Thyroid and Urologic Cancer. Operator, please open the line.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Puneet Souda from SVB Leerink. Your line is open.

Yes. Hi, Marc and Rebecca. Thanks for taking the question. First one is really on the guide. I just want to clarify the $10 million contribution from HalioDx, when the acquisition happened, if I recall correctly, it's growing at a clip rate of about 25% or so. Just wondering if that is what you're contemplating this year, or if there is any change from that in the fourth quarter? And then if we look out to 2022, is there any difference versus that prior expectation?

Yes. Thanks, Puneet. Appreciate the question on that. If you do the math, we had HalioDx in our numbers for essentially two months of the quarter in Q3. And our guide for Q4 contemplates a couple of things. Firstly, it contemplates the same kind of volatility that we and others are seeing around the quarter in general related to COVID first and second order effects. Effects on -- due to delta variant, for example, on the supply chain potentially and on staffing shortages and other. So that's one element. The other is, while the integration is going exceptionally well, I have to say, I've done -- I've been involved in many acquisitions in the past, and they always have some distraction for the business. We've been able to ride that fairly well so far. But I want to make sure in our guidance we give ourselves a little bit of room for that. And then kind of more specific on that point, one of the things that the Halio team or the Marseille team is very focused on right now is working across with our R&D teams in San Diego and South San Francisco to develop our products for the nCounter platform. And that's the same team that carries out third-party IVD work. And so while that team is able to juggle those different things, again, I want to make sure we've got room in our forecast for that. Bear in mind and remember, we acquired HalioDx primarily for the manufacturing capability, and so that is our priority #1 is that transition. Meanwhile, in addition to that, we got some fantastic assets in the IVD services business and the biopharma business and the Immunogram platform and Immunoscore. So we're going to benefit from those over the longer term, but right now, short-term priority is manufacturing transition.

And the only thing I'd add to that, Puneet, is that does extend into 2022, per Marc's comments. Our priority will be the bio business as well as the manufacturing of -- contract manufacturing for IVD.

Okay, great. And then in terms of -- I think you alluded to this somewhat earlier in terms of the sluggishness that you're seeing obviously impacted on Afirma and more Percepta as well with hospital access. So maybe just, could you remind us where you stand today here in November in terms of the rep access? What are you seeing in terms of both the thyroid in-person sales reps and the prostate in-person sales reps? And any indication that that is on a steady improvement versus, let's say, September or so?

Yes. Parsing it out, and what I will say is there's a lot of volatility here business by business or month by month. So let me go through it. I'd say timing-wise, we did see particularly a greater effect than we anticipated in the middle of the quarter. Things definitely improved towards the end of the quarter. But October has gotten off to a start that's more similar to the beginning of the quarter than the end so far. If you go business by business, though, we continue to see across the pulmonology business, which is the most impacted, problems with access and reduced number of procedures. Again, these are hospital-based settings, 70% or so. And so you really do -- in fact, more than that -- you really do see an impact in pulmonology. And that's not gotten better recently, and we're not anticipating much change there going forward right now. Afirma did get impacted, and we talked about that and anticipated that might be the case because Afirma itself is 70% also in the hospital setting. And then, in those areas that were particularly impacted by COVID delta regionally, we did see the most impact on both sales rep access and patient reticence in procedures. We also saw an impact in staffing shortages, which are across the board, but we definitely saw that happen in Afirma. And that's more general to the hospitals. And that's one thing that we think could continue and might be exacerbated by vaccine mandates and so on. So one of the things we remain cautious about is the staffing situation at our customers. And then moving to Decipher. Decipher's been particularly resilient during COVID to kind of case counts and so far to most geographic impacts. I mean, there's not zero impact, but it's relatively negligible when you look at the growth of the business. It is a growing business. However, I think staffing shortages would be something to watch for that business as well going forward. So we're continuing to remain cautious about that. Rebecca, anything you want to add?

No. Thank you. You covered it.

Got it. And just last one, if I could squeeze on nasal swab. That's obviously an important product for you. Just as you stand today, given the early work you're doing with the sites, could you just remind us what sort of reimbursement that we should imagine for this product? And in terms of the data sets, do you have enough data at this point to move forward the reimbursement of the clinical utility that you're working on with these early sites that's going to be included into that for the reimbursement?

I appreciate that. Yes, really important product. Nasal swab is incredible progress. And again, as I mentioned, this quarter we launched the product at limited sites, and we're continuing to grow those sites. Now in terms of the data, we announced new data this quarter that enhanced the clinical validity data of the test, and we can spend more time on that if people want to. But in terms of clinical validity, we've got some fantastic data for the nasal swab. The next step is the clinical utility data through those sites, and that's going to take time. And you want to -- we want to pick the right sites, and we want to get this done the right way and done properly to secure the long-term prospects for this breakthrough product, and we want to make sure that it's launched in the best possible way. So we're in the process now of doing that. We'll gather the data. We still think reimbursement could be fairly broad range from 12 to 24 months until we get to that point. But the most important focus right now is building that clinical utility data and going through the reimbursement process, something which Veracyte has had incredible experience and an exceptional track record of doing extremely well, and so we're leveraging our experience there.

Great. Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Tejas Savant from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Hi, this is Hugo [ph] on for Tejas. Thank you for taking our questions. Would you comment on whether you're seeing any pressure on the supply chain now? And if you're -- and what are some of the actions that you're taking to ensure there are no disruptions?

Yes. The supply chain pressure, lots of people are talking about it, and it's very real for many. We've been able to -- throughout COVID, actually, we've been able to ride that out very well with our suppliers. And we've made a concerted effort to talk to many of our large suppliers and see what they're seeing and hearing right now, because one thing you do have to worry about is the second and third order effects on them and their suppliers. So far, so good. Doesn't mean that things couldn't happen, but so far, we haven't had too many problems. Every now and then there's issues, but we're able to resolve them fairly quickly with our vendors and partners who collectively I think are doing an exceptional job of managing through this. But again, remaining cautious about it. It's very real. Could happen. And we're watching it closely, and to some extent, are anticipating the odd road speed bump here and there. But so far, nothing major to report.

Great. And then would you provide an update on the rollout of nasal swab and the number of sites where you have rolled it out so far? What's been the early feedback on the classifier so far?

Yes, again, it's really early. And don't forget, in terms of feedback, we engaged with a lot of key opinion leaders, so we got a lot of feedback even before we launched the products in these sites. Launching nasal swab in the sites now is giving us additional feedback on the actual utility with real patients. And we started to launch it, as I mentioned. We've got sites already in place, and we're going to drive that up to something up to 50 clinical utility sites. I mean, that's a number we could flex either way, but right now, that would be our more aggressive plan to achieve the acceleration and the patient numbers that we want to access. We've already gotten in patient samples, and so it's great to see things are happening. And as a result of even those first patient samples, we've gotten some feedback on utility and ease of use and so on. So nothing new to report yet. I think it's a little early days. But as we get through the next quarter, we'll certainly have a lot more experience and possibly something more to share on the next call.

Great. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sykes from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hi Marc and Rebecca. Thanks for taking my questions, appreciate it. You know, maybe just, Marc, first a big picture question. Just given all the integration that's going on and the competitive nature of the diagnostics field, I'm just wondering if you can update on the commercial field force you have now, and any issues or any positives from the integration? I'm sure some of those have come with their own commercial forces. But just wondering how you feel in terms of your right size for the commercial capabilities that you have currently.

Yes. It's a great question. Thanks for asking that. We have a really strong sales team, and we've been bolstering that team in many areas. If I take each one in turn, Decipher is adding sales reps at a nice steady clip. Again, we kind of -- Tina, can talk about this, if you like, but we've -- you can't go too fast because you disrupt. It takes a while to get the sales reps trained and ready to go. And so there's a certain optimal level, and we think we've hit that optimal level. In fact, if anything, we've accelerated that. I don't know, Tina, if you want to comment on the sales reps for Decipher in particular?

No, I think we're very picky about who we hire. We really have a very extensive interview process, and so we really are looking for the best. And also, that's exactly what Marc said. You don't want to bring too many on too quickly because you've got to keep the balance of the lab and billing and customer service all in check with your reps. And I feel like we have accelerated over what we had originally planned by about three reps.

Great. Thanks, Tina. And then Afirma is a very experienced sales team that's been with us for a while, and again, we've continued to build that sales force. Part of our next strategy for 2022 is figuring out how many more sales reps we need to add in that business to go after what is still a significant remaining white space. There are not enough people who are getting the Afirma test today. More patients need access, which means potentially more sales reps for us in more territories. Pulmonology, because we have a broad portfolio of products, and the one that is the most significant volume is going to be the nasal swab. We have built a meaningful sales team there and continue to focus on the commercial launch of that product over the next couple of years. So our strategy is a little further out looking for ensuring that our sales team continues to grow, ready for the launch and the volumes that we're likely to get. So we'll make sure we have enough salespeople ready to meet the demands for that product, which could grow significantly. And then, our other businesses, Prosigna is growing nicely in Europe, and we have a really good sales team over there. In the key countries, we have country managers that are leading the charge as well. We've got some strong reimbursement capabilities, market access teams over there. And then through the Halio acquisition, we acquired some really good capabilities in IVD services, biopharma and Immunoscore. So each of those businesses comes with sales and business development capabilities that we're now leveraging across, in some cases, other parts of Veracyte as well.

Great. That's really helpful color. Appreciate it, Marc. And then Rebecca, just one quick one for you on the gross margin side. I know when you exclude the HalioDx, it was an increase year-over-year. Just would love to kind of hear your puts and takes and what's going to that, and any kind of views you have into the end of the year on the gross margin side, whether it's on the ASP or the COGS part of it.

Yes. Happy to do so. In the quarter we were, as you mentioned, Matt, we were impacted by a purchase price accounting adjustment to the HalioDx business, which brought down that gross margin relatively significantly. We would expect on a go-forward basis that to normalize. And gross margins on a go-forward basis to be in the, call it, mid-ish 60% range, including the impact of Halio, which ex-Halio would lend the core business, if you will, to be more in the high 60s. On a go-forward basis, I think ASP is relatively stable. We've seen plus or minus a little bit towards $2,700 now for a couple of quarters. And from a COGS perspective, it's highly tied to volume. So assuming volume is coming through the business, we would expect that not to be necessarily a point of conversation. So those I would say were the primary puts and takes. Our cost of materials isn't necessarily worth even mentioning in terms of volatility at this point in time. Obviously inflation is something we're all keeping our eye on, but currently not impactful.

And Matt, I apologize. You asked a part, your second part of your question about integration and integration effects, which I think was just more broadly than commercial, just to make sure I address that. The integration of Halio, which was our focus for this quarter because Decipher had gone extremely well previously, couldn't have gone better, in my opinion. I've been through many of these, and this is one of the smoothest I've ever seen. We had a really robust approach, driven by collaborative workstreams that work together from both Veracyte and Halio. Bonnie led the charge and is still leading the charge on that and the program office. And many, many, many things got done, whether it be in the branding and communications, HR, finance. Obviously, we had to close the books under a public company structure, not a private company structure. Manufacturing transition, CLIA lab, IT, which you can imagine always has a lot of integration activity to go on. Every one of those workstreams did an outstanding job and folks worked really hard. So I'm very pleased with the outcome. In terms of effects and impacts, very, very few, really. I mean, a few things along the way that we were able to tackle very quickly but outstanding result.

Great. Great to hear. Thanks for taking my questions.

Thanks.

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Matson from Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. So with the HalioDx Immunoscore test, is there any plans or ability to leverage that into additional GI tests or other types of cancers?

Yes. The great thing about Immunogram as a platform, from which Immunoscore is derived as one product, is it is a platform and it does have applicability to multiple cancer types. And so anywhere -- and there are a number where -- and in fact, there's a good Nature paper that covers this where it is most applicable and somewhere as lead or less so. But anywhere that it could be applicable in looking at the tumor microenvironment in particular and seeing how the individual patient is responding is a potential application for the product. So yes, there's potential. In terms of how we roll that out and what the strategic plan is for that, that's something that we're still working on. And Vincent Fert who is leading that across all of our sites now for Immunogram.

Okay. And then, it looks like your OpEx was kind of in the low 40s if I strip out the one-timers, the acquisition-related stuff. Is that right? And then is that kind of the run rate we should expect in the nearer term?

Yes. Thanks for the question. It was in the low 30s if you strip out stock comp, intangibles and acquisition costs. So I think that's just -- I think the stock comp probably is the difference between your number and my number, but just that clarification. And yes, I think as we go forward, I think that's a fair rough estimate. Obviously, ahead of 2022 planning, specifically more for the fourth quarter.

Yes. Okay, got it. Thank you.

Anytime.

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Weinstein from William Blair. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon. This is Griffith [ph] on for Brian. Thanks for the questions. Just a question on the lung cancer space. So Guardant announced plans for that lung cancer screening assay for smokers pre-CT. Just wanted to get an update on your NOBLE trial and your own pre-CT program there. And I guess a specific one. Do you have any idea what percent of nodules are discovered incidentally versus as part of a screening program?

Yes. On that second part of your question first, there are 15 million people who are high risk and eligible for screening under current USPSTF task -- TF guidance. Of those 15 million, roughly 1 million are actually undergoing screening on an annual basis and 1.6 million are found incidentally. So not as part of a screening regimen. And in all cases, those are kind of confirmed by low dose CT, which is very sensitive, but there's kind of a very high false positive rate or number of nodules that are benign. And so you need a test like the nasal swab to be able to help whether those nodules are benign or not. So that's how we think about it. The NOBLE study is going well. Not much more to add in terms of beyond what we've said publicly about that trial. But enrollment is continuing and we're getting samples in, and we're going to be learning a lot from that study. So that's a really important trial for us and will certainly help to open up the markets earlier on in the care continuum.

Okay. And then actually a question…

I'm sorry. Maybe I could just open up Giulia, do you have anything to add with respect to NOBLE in particular?

No. Your comments were spot on. It's going very well. We're accruing, and we hope to gather 9,000 patients ultimately and follow their course over the next number of years. So it's going to be a very rich repository for us moving forward. So it's going well.

Excellent. Thanks, Giulia.

Okay. And then just one on Decipher. Could you just talk a bit more broadly about the drivers there? Sales force adds, product line extensions and then the coverage wins, any idea on the rough magnitude of each of those? Really trying to just understand how impactful bladder could be in 2022.

Yes, I'll turn it over to Tina.

So as you know, we just started with bladder, and we're very excited to have that out on the market. And it's one of the first molecular tests to even be offered in bladder. And where it's really going to be used the most is in muscle-invasive bladder cancer, where a lot of times now they treat with chemotherapy prior to removal of the bladder that is the cystectomy. And what they have found that is a lot of patients do not benefit from the chemotherapy treatment. It doesn't actually reduce the size of the tumor and does not help when they go to do the surgery. And as a matter of fact, can be more detrimental to the health of the patient before surgery. It's a very complex surgery. It takes a lot of time. It can be anywhere from six to eight hours to actually do the cystectomy. And so therefore, you want to be -- have the patients in the best health possible. Most of the patients, the average age is 73. A lot of them are long-term smokers, and so their health is not good to begin with. So by running our test and being able to really say which patients should and should not receive chemotherapy prior to surgery, there's a great advantage to that. It's a first of its kind. There's about 150 surgeons who really focus on doing these surgeries, because as I said, they're very complex. The good news is, they're located in the same offices as our urologists who are treating prostate cancer, so therefore, we're at the same place at the same time, working with the same docs. And we're using the same sales force. So we don't have to have a different sales force because it just fits right in. And we do have coverage from Medicare. On that, it's a little over $3,400 for Medicare. And we'll actually see more Medicare patients coming out of bladder than we will with prostate because of the 10-year age difference between the two. And we have data that was just released in the Journal of Urology, which really substantiates the study that I just told you about, being able to decipher which -- decipher -- to Decipher which patients should get the test and should not prior to cystectomy.

Prostate as well.

And on the -- sorry, and on the prostate side, we've continued to add new sales reps every quarter. We're still seeing a lot of growth. It's amazing. As I've mentioned in prior discussions that I've given, prostate is still an area that's behind as far as molecular testing. So we still have a lot of white space and there's still a lot of docs that we can go to and continue to sell them the test. And at the ASTRO meeting just a couple weeks ago, it was Decipher, Decipher, Decipher. There was a lot of presentations given on our test by doctors who participated in clinical trials that we ran, and that was very exciting for us to be showcased so strongly at that meeting. And obviously, we keep adding to our grid database. We're up over 100,000 patients now of data in that database, and we use that to offer additional molecular information to our physician customers as needed. So I still see a lot of market runway with both of those products for 2022, certainly, and beyond.

Thanks, Tina.

Great detail. Thanks, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Flaten from Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

Hi guys, this is Travis [ph] filling in for Thomas. One question I had is in regards to the HalioDx. I know you guys said that you want to do IVD testing, development and manufacturing operations. Could you just tell us how that process is going and just provide a little bit more color on that?

Yes. So HalioDx has over 15 years of experience in IVD development and manufacturing. So first and foremost, the manufacturing capability is going to be used to manufacture our own kits for the platform in Canada and outside the U.S. That process will take 24 months to be completed is our current estimation, and that work has already started in terms of planning for that. Now the IVD development, which I think is a real gem here in terms of the acquisition, it's a great business that the team in Marseille has built. And we can leverage that really well to actually port the test, the CLIA test that we've developed here in the U.S. over to the nCounter platform. So our own internal team has experience of doing this for customers, and we'll be able to do this for Veracyte internally. So that's really exciting, and that's what I was referring to is the collaboration between our R&D teams across three sites. Gone really well and the planning has progressed nicely. Not yet ready to say which products in which order and by which date, but certainly, we've got a draft road map for each of the products. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we will be porting over our Envisia test, our prostate, bladder -- I'm sorry, Decipher Prostate, and as well as our nasal swab. And then other tests like bladder potentially could be candidates sometime in the future and beyond; so more to come on that.

Got it. Well, thank you very much for my question, and congrats on a great quarter.

Thank you.

The next question we have is from Andrew Cooper from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hey, thanks for the questions. Maybe just first to get a little bit of clarity just to make sure I'm understanding correctly. You mentioned kind of the 24-month time frame for really porting that manufacturing over. But if we go back historically, you had talked about things, specifically Envisia being a little bit faster for getting onto the nCounter platform. Is the 24 months sort of to get something prepared for nCounter or really just to be manufacturing it yourself as opposed to relying on NanoString? And how should we be thinking about maybe the cadence there? Even if you don't give exact dates for exact products, just a little more flavor would be great.

Yes. Thanks, Andrew, for asking that because it really does help us clarify the two parallel paths. The 24 months is the manufacturing transition, so it's the latter of what you said. It is getting ourselves ready to be able to manufacture the kits out of Marseille. That is distinct but separate, but obviously interconnected with the development projects, which is a separate parallel path, which is three individual IVD development projects to port the tests over to the nCounter platform. As you know from our previous commentary, work on that on Envisia had already started. We've been able to validate that the concordance between the nCounter and our existing assay was really, really high. So that is ahead of the curve in terms of progress. And then, of course, we have to go through that same process for prostate and for nasal swab. In addition, we've got to go through the validation and verification of the test. We've got to go through the manufacturing -- connection to the manufacturing process. And of course, we've also got to be very cognizant of IVDR in Europe as well. So all that has to be part of the project planning for those development projects as well. So those two things are going on in parallel. The timing of the manufacturing transition is, as I said, 24 months current plan. For the development projects, it's over the next few three, maybe slightly more years. We're continuing to refine that plan.

Okay, helpful. And then, maybe just one more for me. When we think about Percepta Nasal Swab and the path there, obviously, soft launch right now really to build up the data like you've talked about. But when you have that in hand, how do we think about sort of the stage gating for kind of full bore launch? What do you expect in terms of -- is it a bit by bit, or do we want to hit the ground running as fast as we can with that product? And just how do we think about the investments ahead of sort of completion of that clinical utility data?

Yes. That's a great question. Obviously, the clinical utility part of this phase, as I mentioned, is very thoughtfully planned and deliberate, and we need to move at a pace that is appropriate. Once we get reimbursement in that time frame, we need to be ready for a kind of full-scale clinical launch for a test that potentially has very significant volumes. And so during the same time period, we will be putting in place the plans or refining the plans, because much of it -- many of them are already in place to build the necessary commercial capabilities and infrastructure to launch that product at scale. So you can kind of rest assured. I don't think the situation that we will find ourselves in is one where we're not ready for the volume. We need to make sure that we've got a good sense of what that volume's going to be and that we're ready to absorb it. Our CLIA lab needs to be ready to process the samples. Our sales team needs to be scaled up and so on. So that's what the work we'll be doing over the next, you know, call it, 6 to 12 months.

Great, I'll stop there. Thanks.

Thanks.

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Marc Stapley. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Thanks. So I appreciate all the great questions. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the entire global Veracyte team for their tremendous efforts and dedication as we continue to advance our business on multiple fronts. We've got now over 700 dedicated employees, and it's been pretty gratifying, actually, to see the collaboration across teams, offices and continents as we've worked together and continue to work together to build Veracyte into a global diagnostics leader that improves outcomes for patients all over the world at every step of their journey. I look forward to updating you on our progress at our next quarterly call. Thank you, everyone.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our call today. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect.