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VersaBank (VBNK)

Q4 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 25, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to VersaBank’s Fourth Quarter 2020 Financial Results Conference Call. This morning, VersaBank issued a news release reporting its financial results for the fourth quarter and year ended October 31, 2020. That news release, along with the Bank’s financial statements and supplemental financial information, are available on the Bank’s website in the investor relations section as well as on SEDAR. Please note, in addition to the telephone dial in, VersaBank is webcasting its earnings conference call live over the Internet. The webcast is listen-only. If you are listening to the webcast but wish to ask a question in the Q&A session following Mr. Taylor’s presentation, please dial in to the conference line, the details of which are included in this morning’s news release and on the Bank’s website. For those participating in today’s conference call by telephone, the accompanying slide presentation will be available on the Bank’s website. Also, today’s call will be archived for replay both by telephone and via the Internet beginning approximately one hour following completion of the call. Details on how to access the replays are available in this morning’s news release. I would now like to remind you, our listeners, that the statement about future events made on this call are forward-looking in nature and are based on certain assumptions and analysis made by VersaBank management. Actual results could differ materially from our expectations due to various material risks and uncertainties associated with VersaBank’s businesses. Please refer to VersaBank’s forward-looking statement advisory, which is on slide three. I would now like to turn the call over to David Taylor, President and Chief Executive Officer of VersaBank. Please go ahead, Mr. Taylor.

David Taylor

Management

Thank you, Colin. Good morning and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. With me once again via teleconference, as we continue to work remotely, are Shawn Clarke, our Chief Financial Officer; Aly Lalani, Chief Risk Officer; and Brent Hodge, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary. As noted last quarter, as a digital bank, the ability of substantially all the Bank’s staff to work remotely has meant that various restrictions imposed as a result of the pandemic have had virtually no impact on our operational efficiency. In fact, the Bank is thriving in this particular environment. The past few months have given us even greater confidence in our growth prospects for 2021 and, as I will discuss later, the profitability and new growth opportunities created by our acquisition of Digital Boundary Group only amplify this further. As expected, the fourth quarter of 2020 benefitted from our continuing redeployment of cash into interest-earning loans across our lending business following our decision during the second quarter of this year to temporarily increase our cash balance early in the COVID-19 pandemic out of an abundance of caution. As a result, we achieved strong quarter-over-quarter improvements in all key financial and operational metrics, driven by our continued success in leveraging our proprietary technology to offer innovative solutions that address unmet needs in the banking sector. Net interest margin for Q4 was 2.82%, down from 3.04% in Q3 last year but a 29 basis point increase over Q3 and moving solidly back toward the pre-pandemic levels. The decrease compared to Q4 last year is of course the higher cash balances in Q4 of this year. Even after these dampened levels, we continue to lead the Canadian banking sector in net interest margin while maintaining a very low-risk loan profile, as was once again evidenced by our…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Okay, so your first question comes from Stephen Boland from Raymond James. Stephen, please go ahead.

Stephen Boland

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Hope you are doing well. Two questions. David, maybe you could just talk about commercial banking. We’ve seen decline in the portfolio over the last couple quarters, so what changed in terms of the growth again? Is it just pent-up COVID demand? Was it some competitors leaving the square? Or just favourable pricing? Maybe you could just talk about the conditions.

David Taylor

Management

Certainly. Steve, as you know, leading into the pandemic we were quite concerned about the major centres markets being somewhat overheated, so for, well, about two years, we were backing off on lending in those markets. And what was driving it was a lot of competition, low pricing, some of our competitors weren’t asking for the type of security that we thought was appropriate. It was the typical overheated market and so we were backing off and you saw the portfolio continue to decline quarter over quarter. Now, coming out of the pandemic, what we’re seeing is a lot less competition. Those aggressive competitors don’t seem to be active anymore, and we can guess why, what I said earlier about bad loans being made in good times. So a lot less competition than we saw before, which has given us the opportunity to price appropriately and take what we think is the appropriate security. And there’s been a resurgence in the construction of homes in the outlying areas from the major centres, quite a resurgence. So, in our neck of the woods here, Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge, Guelph, Stratford, Paris, Brantford, I mean all these places have got home projects underway and, thankfully, we are providing a lot of that financing. So it’s a good time for us in this business. In fact, our lenders would say they’ve never been busier. Good customers, providing a good product that people are demanding, and decent pricing and the appropriate security.

Stephen Boland

Analyst

Okay. That’s good to know. And maybe just the second question on Digital Boundary Group, and I think you said $0.08 accretive. Did I have that correct, that number?

David Taylor

Management

Yeah. Based on their last 12 months earnings, that’s approximately the number that it would translate to. Hopefully, of course, we’ve got synergies and the business continues to grow, but just looking back at their past 12 months of earnings, that’s the number I came up with.

Stephen Boland

Analyst

Okay. So maybe I’ll just (inaudible) this, I’m not sure how you can answer, because it relates to the regulator. I mean many years ago you formed Discovery Air out of a loan and I believe at the time it became somewhat material to the earnings of the Bank that the regulator wanted you to get it off the books. Is this business, you know, imminently related to the Bank business that, you know, you’re not going to get pressured from a regulator to maybe remove this from the balance sheet of the Bank or as a subsidiary? I’m just wondering what your thoughts are there.

David Taylor

Management

Well, certainly this business is certainly important to the security of the Bank in itself. We think any bank should be investing in cyber security. I think it behooves any CEO of any bank to want to bolster its cyber security. We’re operating in a hostile cyber security environment, and the investment that we’ve made in DBG, of course, is very important for the Bank’s own cyber security, but there is additional capacity, of course, to provide cyber security to other banks and to corporations. So, first and foremost, it just bolsters our own cyber security, but it does producing additional cash flow for the bank. It’s hard to say what an individual regulator would say. At that time, we faced a change in guard in the regulatory world. We had one superintendent who was very much in favour of the Discovery Air company that we created and then afterwards we had another regulator that didn’t like it at all. This is a lot different. This isn’t a Canadian military business. Discovery Air was providing aerial dog-fighting skills to NATO forces in Canada, which we think was very important for Canadians, but this one is really integral into what a bank needs to have to stay safe in this world, so I wouldn’t expect regulators to worry about it. In fact, I think our big bank colleagues are deeply invested in this area too, as they should be. So I don’t see it the same way, but if it was, you know, we could do what we’ve done before, start spinning companies off.

Stephen Boland

Analyst

Okay. That’s a good comment. And, sorry, maybe you mentioned VersaVault. Can you just provide, ah, maybe you did provide an update, I’m sorry if I missed it, just where they are in customers and revenue, things of that sort?

David Taylor

Management

Well, the customer that we announced some time ago was Chairmans Financial operating in Europe and they’ve utilized the VersaVault to a certain extent. We expect VersaVault will be used a lot more in North America, particularly in conjunction with the other product offerings that DRT is working on and the DBG acquisition. It’s designed to keep sensitive documents away from prying hands, prying eyes, and, as we know, we’re in a world where there’s a lot of prying eyes. So it’ll keep cryptocurrency keys safe, but it also keeps sensitive documents safe and security documents. So I see a big role for VersaVault and I now note that others are coming out with similar offerings. So, while we were maybe a little bit ahead of our time being the first to offer digital vault, now there’s other with digital vaults too. Maybe not quite as good as ours, in my own personal opinion, but at least they’re out there. So I think people are getting used to the idea that this is a good place to put your digital assets. Say you have, for example, the plans to a new fighter plane, just to use maybe a military example, somewhere in the world, and you really want to keep it away from others. We think our vault is the right place. So I think it’s going to be as part of a comprehensive product offering for DRT Cyber. I think it’s going to be a very important component.

Stephen Boland

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much, Dave.

David Taylor

Management

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Greg MacDonald from LodeRock Research. Greg, please go ahead.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, guys. Can you hear me all right?

David Taylor

Management

Sure can, Greg.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

So I wanted to ask a few questions, first on the loan growth opportunity as you go into the first part of 2021, and specifically wanted to zero in on Point-of-Sale growth opportunities. I think of this business’s growth opportunities as kind of three buckets. One is adding new partners, the second is kind of organic growth for the industry, so what you get from existing partners, and then there’s the Instant Mortgage app opportunity. How do we think about those three buckets as we go into the early part of 2021? Is one or two of those going to be driving more than the others? Should we be thinking of them as all kind of representing equal opportunities for growth? Give us a sense of how we think about those buckets. And then I suspect you don’t want us to be thinking of 7% sequential growth opportunities each quarter as being kind of what we should expect. Could you talk a little bit about what our expectations are for overall growth? It was a pretty strong quarter in the 4Q, so how are you thinking about 2021 as we enter the first quarter?

David Taylor

Management

Good questions, Greg. Thanks. So, with respect to the three drivers for growth for the Point-of-Sale program, adding new partners, well, we expect we’ll add a few more new partners throughout the year. That wouldn’t be a significant driver, I think, in the course of 2021 and it takes new partners some time to be integrated into the system and to start providing us with Point-of-Sale loans. The Instant Mortgage is in sort of its infant stages and, yes, we’re having good discussions with various people about utilizing it and we have one partner in particular that’s been working very hard on integrating it into their program, so it’ll provide some growth. But organic growth is, at this point, tremendous. We’ve seen a huge resurgence in organic growth with our existing partner network. And it’s so much that I hesitate to say what it’s going to be going forward, but let’s say our guys have never seen that kind of organic growth in our history, so it may very well be that 7% per quarter is the norm, or maybe more. We’re well established in this market and we worked as best we could with our partners to ensure their viability during this tough time and I think that’s very much appreciated. And we have tons of capacity. So all those things added up kind of make the tick next to organic growth versus the other components that will add to growth, but nothing like organic.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Okay. So, maybe a point of clarification there. A lot of us have been wondering, ah, we look at numbers like auto sales as a good leading indicator here and we wonder how much of the 3Q, 4Q, I’m talking calendar year, growth that we’ve seen in indicators like that was a result of pent-up demand, i.e. people not spending money they would have spent in the 2Q as COVID hit, versus what might be more kind of structural changes, i.e. people are moving outside of cities and not wanting to take transit and therefore there’s some continuation on this. It sounds to me like you’re hearing or seeing evidence that there’s no slow down, i.e. maybe it’s not so much a pent-up demand issue, maybe this is more structural. Is that the right way to think about it?

David Taylor

Management

Yeah. And also our competitors are not sort of front line and centre within our partners now. We spent a lot of time working with our partners to ensure they would stay viable during the tough, tough times and that’s enhanced the relationships, so we’re seeing a lot more business and maybe our competitors are seeing a lot less. And we have a lot of capacity. So it may be that the market is showing some pent-up demand, but the reason we are so bullish on our growth is that our existing partners are sending us a lot of deals, ah, fast and furious, and I think we’re seeing a lot more than our competitors are.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Second question on the opportunity for insolvency deposit growth. This is interesting. You noted in your press release that a lot of these companies and face-to-face businesses may be practically insolvent but not technically insolvent due to some of the government funding structures out there. And I’m hearing that as well when I talk to some of these insolvency guys. What are you hearing most recently from some of these partners? And I’m thinking in terms of the number that you put up, the 14% year-over-year growth in this deposit base. Is it possible you could see numbers bigger than that? Is that something that you expect?

David Taylor

Management

Yeah, I expect we’ll see way bigger numbers. And the reason being is the 14% growth was just a function of us adding more partners. So, in fact, the occurrence of insolvencies was much, much less with the COVID relief helping retail folks out in the tough time, but a lot are on the edge. And we tend to cater to the retail insolvencies. Our software makes it very efficient for insolvency professionals to deal with retail and small retail insolvencies. As you know, there’s been a huge decline in retail insolvencies, but everybody believes, what did the Globe and Mail say, a tsunami of retail insolvencies coming our way. So that just bodes well for, I hate to say it positively in that it means a lot of suffering for individuals, but it means that our deposits from the insolvency practices due to retail insolvencies will likely increase dramatically.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

And then are the partners suggesting that’s more of a second half 2021 event just as a result of kind of the profile of government subsidies?

David Taylor

Management

Yeah, I would think so. I’m just guessing that our government will try to dampen the effect of the tsunami by helping out maybe a bit more with relief, but it’s inevitable. I mean this COVID pandemic has created havoc in our economy, it’s put a lot of people in terrible spots and, unfortunately, there’ll be a lot more insolvencies. Probably deeper into 2021, but you’ll see our deposits just keep right on growing. Like I say, we’re up 14% with a decline in insolvencies just by adding partners. Our software works really well for insolvency practices and we have partnerships with the two leading administrative software packages in the industry, so, firstly, access to close to 100% of the insolvency practices operating in Canada, so we’re in a very good spot there. And we’re pleased that we can provide this efficient software package for these folks and it makes their life easier, but we’re not pleased that there’s going to be so many insolvencies in that that means a lot of hardship for people. But that, you know, it’s just a service we provide and it would probably mean a lot more deposits.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Okay. And then just one more quick thing and I’ll pass it on to others in the queue. On the DRT acquisition, you’ve mentioned in the past the potential for acquisitions to kind of fill out the product suite of the DRT business that you have in mind. Where do we stand right now? Are there more products that you need? Should we expect more tuck-in type acquisitions like this? Or does this acquisition largely fill out what you need to really see this business out to fruition?

David Taylor

Management

It largely fills it out; although there are partnerships we presently have with neat businesses that round out the project offering. Maybe there’s an acquisition in the cards there, maybe not, but the partnership relationship works very well too. So presently, from a functional point of view, with DBG added to the mix, we think we have a comprehensive suite to offer to another bank or a corporation to keep them safe. We’ll do the assessment, we’ll ensure that we identify any vulnerabilities they might have, we have solutions to cover up those vulnerabilities, and we have the capability of providing ongoing surveillance so that they can be sort of somewhat comforted to know that big brother is keeping an eye on their systems as they evolve and change and as the hostile cyber world changes. So we think we have a first-class offering and we think it’s a hugely growing market. We know we banks, banks think about it all day long, us being a tiny sort of sample of the banking industry in the world. If you’re not thinking about it, you really should start thinking about it very, very soon.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Right. And just you mentioned that DBG, one of the client bases they have is US police services. A lot of us kind of simpletons in the investment world think of, you know, companies like cyber security companies having customers like that means that they’ve gone through quite a fact checking and process to be able to offer services like that to US governmental organizations. Can we assume that that’s a very positive indicator? That it means you’re kind of green lit to do business with other US government agencies, et cetera?

David Taylor

Management

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You have to be first class checked out to be able to provide those type of services. We were, when we formed that company, Discovery Air, that Steve Boland referred to, we provided these NATO forces with aerial dog-fighting and other trainings and we received US State Department approval for that in effect. I think at one time I was the CEO of the largest private fleet of jet fighters in the world. So we’re in good stead that way. We’ve always catered to that industry and, you know, obviously, with foreign actors, there’s a lot of need for first-class cyber security.

Greg MacDonald

Analyst

Great. Thanks for that, David, and congrats on the quarter.

David Taylor

Management

Oh, thank you. Good questions, Greg.

Operator

Operator

One moment here for your next question. Okay, so this question comes from online actually. So the question is: What will be unique about Instant Mortgage that it will be a key selling point of the solution?

David Taylor

Management

Well, that’s a good question, and what we’re selling with the Instant Mortgage is ease of operation or ease of acquiring a mortgage. We’ve designed it to be extremely user friendly and to be available at the point of sale. So, say you’re a new Canadian and a bit bewildered about where you go to get a mortgage, you’ll find that it’s available at the point of sale and the salesperson will help you with the app, they’ll press the button, and very quickly it’ll come back with an approval so that you can pursue purchasing a home. So it’s all about the ease of access as opposed to going down to your local bank branch and finding out where that might be and making an appointment and all those things. This will be done right at the point of sale, just as the other point-of-sale industries that we support. Say if you want to buy a motorcycle or a hot tub or something for your house or a new car, we provide convenience through our partners to get financing rapidly so you can get on with the purchase process.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Peter Leacock from CIBC Wood Gundy. Peter, please go ahead.

Peter Leacock

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, David.

David Taylor

Management

Good morning, Peter. You’re up early.

Peter Leacock

Analyst

I am up early. First of all, congratulations on the quarter and otherwise a terrific year. I mean I think you were faced with, as everybody has been, with very challenging conditions, but I can’t imagine you and your team having done a better job, so congratulations on that.

David Taylor

Management

Thank you, Peter.

Peter Leacock

Analyst

I just was wondering if you could provide a little more information on Digital Boundary Group in terms of how that came up on your radar. I see that they also look to be based in London, Ontario. Did you know of them or how did the opportunity appear for you?

David Taylor

Management

Well, you’ve done your homework. Yes indeed, Digital Boundary Group’s head office is in London, Ontario. And that was very fortunate. I met with John Millar, one of the principals of Digital Boundary Group, some time ago. Well, before COVID happened, we were able to have properly gentlemanly lunches to discuss the possibility of a partnership with DRT Cyber. And then as we got to know DBG’s capabilities we were super impressed with the wonderful work they’ve been able to do over the last 20 years, the customer base they’ve established and how well thought of they are in the industry. So it was a wonderful coincidence that they were located in London and, you know, despite the challenges that COVID’s brought upon us, i.e. not meeting people in person, we were able to bring this deal finally to a conclusion. So, yeah, it was just happenstance that they were located in London, but once in a while you get some good fortune come your way.

Peter Leacock

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much, David.

David Taylor

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have another question that’s coming from online. The question is: There was discussion of a potential acquisition of another FI in the last few calls. Is that still on the table or are your organic growth opportunities more attractive?

David Taylor

Management

Well, that’s a really good question and we have worked upon a number of potential FIs to acquire, we’ve done a lot of analysis, and there are some attractive ones out there that we think could be complementary to our business and, you know, the one and one would make three. But we are seeing massive organic growth now, to say the least. So we have to kind of weigh those opportunities up in that an acquisition does bring a quantum increase in assets and earnings, but we’re growing so rapidly too that we might get there maybe just as fast just from the organic growth. But we’re still pursuing them, we’re looking at them, we’re analyzing them, but this is a strange period of time where coming out of the COVID pandemic our bank, of course with no loan losses and not even a loan in arrears and lots and lots of capital and super systems, is kind of in a unique position to grow organically.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed.

David Taylor

Management

Thank you, Colin, and thank you, everybody, for the really good questions. Should you want to engage me later on individually, I’m here at the VersaBank’s Innovation Centre of Excellence, almost all by myself, I’ve got two cats that are hanging around that are getting awfully lonely with no staff, so I’m available to answer your questions individually, if you want to drop me an email, happy to engage. Thank you again. Over and out.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.