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Marriott Vacations Worldwide Corporation (VAC)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 8, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Marriott Vacations Worldwide Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I'll turn the conference over to Neal Goldner with Investor Relations. Neal, you may now begin.

Neal Goldner

Management

Thank you, Rob, and welcome to the Marriott Vacations Worldwide 2021 third quarter earnings call conference call. I am joined today by Steve Weisz, Chief Executive Officer; our President, John Geller; and Tony Terry, our new Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We need to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties, as described in our SEC filings, which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments. Forward-looking statements in the press release that we issued this morning, as well as the presentation we added to our website and our comments on this call are effective only when made and will not be updated as actual events unfold. Throughout the call, we will make references to non-GAAP financial information. You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures referred to in our remarks to the -- and the schedules attached to our press release as well as in the Investor Relations page of our website at ir.mbwc.com. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to CEO, Steve Weisz.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thanks, Neal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our third quarter earnings call. Before we start, I want to welcome Tony Terry, our newly announced Chief Financial Officer with 25 years of experience with MVW to our earnings call. While most of the time we are joining you from sunny Florida, today is particularly exciting is we're at the New York Stock Exchange to celebrate an important milestone for Marriott Vacations Worldwide, our 10th year anniversary as an independent publicly traded company. 10 years ago we were a pure-play vacation ownership company, with three brands, 64 resorts and approximately 420,000 owners. Today we’re about vacation experiences, with seven brands, 120 resorts and 700,000 loyal owners in our vacation ownership business and we also have 3,200 resorts and 1.3 million members in our exchange business and more than 150 other resorts and lodging properties in our third-party management business. Our large portfolio of offerings allows our owners and members to access virtually any kind of vacation experience they can ever want. We've built a business characterized by strong organic growth and recurring cash flow, driven in part by our capital-efficient inventory approach. This has provided fuel to enable us to expand our resort footprint and pursue M&A activities, including the acquisitions of ILG and Welk Resorts, while simultaneously returning excess cash to shareholders. We've built an incredible team of talented associates throughout the world, I’m sincerely appreciative of their dedication and contributions to our success. I'm equally grateful for the millions of loyal owners, members and guests who have put their trust in us to deliver remarkable vacation experiences time and time again to help fuel this growth. And there's much more to come, including new products, new digital tools to delight our existing customers, while also attracting new…

John Geller

Management

Thanks Steve and good morning everyone. But before I start, I want to congratulate Tony for his recent promotion. I've had the pleasure of working closely with Tony since I joined Marriott Vacations nearly 13 years ago and I couldn't be happier for him. Today, I'm going to review our third quarter results, highlight the continued strong recovery across our businesses and discuss the strength of our balance sheet and liquidity position, as well as our expectations for the fourth quarter. Starting with our Vacation Ownership business. The value of our leisure-focused business model was evident again this quarter. Despite the Delta variant occupancies continue to hold strong in the quarter with owner occupancies above 2019 levels though this was partially offset by some softness in transient and preview bookings. As a result, we grew contract sales by 5% sequentially in the third quarter to $380 million which was almost back to 2019 levels. VPG was largely unchanged compared to the second quarter and remain well above pre-pandemic levels, illustrating how well our product continues to resonate with customers as well as the benefits of our channel optimization initiatives. Adjusted development profit increased 19% sequentially to $98 million. Adjusted development profit margin expanded sequentially by 335 basis points to 30%, the highest margin in our 10 years since becoming a public company, highlighting the benefits of more efficient marketing and sales spending, lower inventory costs and synergy savings. Turning to our rental business, as I mentioned last quarter, in order to get more of our owners back on vacation, we decided early in the pandemic to allocate more of our rental keys to owners as demand recovered. This did impact our transient keys rented during the third quarter, but with average revenue per key, increasing 9% sequentially, rental revenues increased…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session Thank you. And our first question is from the line of Patrick Scholes with Truist. Please proceed with you question.

Steve Weisz

Management

Good morning, Pat.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Hi, good morning, everyone.

Tony Terry

Analyst

Hey, Pat.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Good morning. All right. Thank you. Speaking of international guests, I'm wondering if you can give us an update on your thoughts on the return of the Japanese guests to Hawaii. And also just an update now that you've purchased Welk, what your Hawaii exposure is for your overall company? Thank you. And then I have a follow-up question.

Steve Weisz

Management

Sure. So I mean clearly as the world reopens and travel resumes, that's going to be positive for virtually everywhere. I mean the interesting thing we find in Hawaii is when we're in 95% occupancy, at least in the short-term, there's not a lot of room to be had. So it will take a while for that to adjust but we're very encouraged by that. Regarding Welk, Welk does not have any presence in Hawaii. So – and to be honest, I don't know what the percentage is of Japanese buyers in the Welk system. I would think to be relatively small but so I'm actually sure that that's all that material there.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Okay. I was wondering with the acquisition of Welk having few if any – few Japanese exposure, what does your Hawaii exposure dropped down to now roughly?

Steve Weisz

Management

Yes. I mean, yes, I mean it was pre-pandemic it was roughly 15% of our contract sales Patrick. So it will drop down a little bit lower than that – excuse me, 25% of our total contract sales, I misspoke. So I dropped down relatively a couple of percentage points but not meaningfully.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then Steve last quarter in the press release, you had noted being able to turn your focus back towards the digitally-enabled growth initiatives to transform your business drive long-term growth and improve margins. I wonder if you could just give us a little bit more color on that and how that is progressing. Thank you.

Steve Weisz

Management

Sure. And really it's both external and also internal. So, external as I think I just mentioned, obviously, we've got a new marketing initiative which allows our owners to not only -- or excuse me our prospects to not only book a preview vacation package but also book it at a specific location normally before that it was a two-step process. First, we had to book the package and then we contacted you and reached out through a call center and we found availability. Well, here, people will be able to do that simultaneously based on the availability of where they want to go. So, that's number one. We've amped up all of our efforts in terms of the paid social media stuff in terms of customer acquisition. And again these are some of the things that we paused in 2020 because quite frankly, we didn't think it was money well spent and we didn't think it was going to yield the kind of results we were looking for. On the call transfer side of things, we are back on thinking we were pracademic with Marriott and we hope to begin call transfer with Hyatt. Internally, we have done all sorts of things not only with some of our artificial intelligence, some of our data mining, we're using chatbots in a number of locations both with the internal system and the external system with customers, all with a goal of trying to get to more of a self-service environment for our owners and for our associates so that they don't have to have people as intermediaries to get to the information they perform the kind of activity that one wants to perform. So, we're very encouraged by where we find ourselves and I would say we're back on the plan that we were on before the pandemic hit.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for the update.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thank you.

John Geller

Management

Thanks Patrick.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Katz with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

David Katz

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good morning everyone.

Steve Weisz

Management

God morning.

David Katz

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Good to talk to you. Can we just talk about the capital allocation initiatives that you discussed here. Number one the share repurchase is a very positive gesture if you could shed any light around sort of the size of it and the degree to which we might expect that it would be kind of an ongoing part of it? And just put all that in the context that there might be other acquisitions that we should sort of keep our thoughts on that would be in the mix as well?

Steve Weisz

Management

Sure. High level we're always focused on getting our leverage right back into that less than three times, two and a half to three times. And that's where we were at when we acquired ILG gives us a lot of dry powder, if you will, if we wanted to do an acquisition. David as we talked about their there's not a lot of large upper upscale acquisition opportunities out there in terms of dollar amount. So, clearly it's something we're going to continue to look at given the success we've had with the ILG and Vistana and then more recently here with Welk. So, it allows us to take unbranded as we've talked about rebranded really leverage that. new owner group and grow our existing platforms and drive synergies. So, that's always going to be where we're going to look first and foremost with our excess capital and we feel like we're in a good spot there. And then after that notwithstanding the first approval here from the Board was $250 million in terms of repurchase authorization. We're going to look to return excess capital through a balance of dividends and repurchasing shares. So, given our cash flow setup, like I talked about, we're going to have a disproportionate amount of excess cash flow given the inventory we have on our balance sheet. So, we've got a lot of opportunity to return capital to shareholders unless there's other acquisition opportunities that we end up taking a look at.

Tony Terry

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

And David I would just add that, obviously, once you get to the point where you run through this, I would assume that our Board would give you further authorization to continue to buy back shares. All within the context of trying to balance it with making sure that we pay the dividend, repurchase shares, as well as trying to make sure that we get that debt-to-EBITDA calculation value three and below.

David Katz

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Understood. And John you touched on the follow-up that I had in mind, which is I think you mentioned that the cash conversion from EBITDA would be well-above the 55% normal, I think you said for a number of years. Any further perspective on how high is high, and how long is a number of years? Would that be more than two? Is this the little definition of the queue?

Tony Terry

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

We're always looking that we buy back inventory, existing inventory on the secondary market. So there's always going to be that level of spend. That historically has been about $100 million a year if you're doing $1.5 billion, $1.6 billion in sales at a 20% product cost, right. The delta between the product costs coming off your books and the $100 million give or take you're buying that's your opportunity. But I do want to say we are always going to look to add new flags we're going to try and view those capital efficiently. So it’s never necessarily a straight line. We're going to do what's right to grow the top line in the business and add new resorts. I would expect that we'll continue to do a lot of those deals more capital efficient, which would mean we would be building them with a third-party and taking that inventory down three, four years out when we would start needing inventory again, right? So that's the math. I would say three to four years you get $600 million plus. I'm not sure it's going to be a straight line of $150 million a year. Some years it will be better. Some years depending on what we have going on, it could be a little bit less.

David Katz

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Awesome, awesome. Thank you very much.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning guy, and congratulations to Tony. Yeah, so I was hoping maybe you guys talked a little bit about international in terms of -- to the US that is, in terms of their level of profitability or how much of a contribution you think they make to contract sales. Just get a little bit of color on the profile of that international visitor? Thanks.

Steve Weisz

Management

Yeah. So, pre-COVID, which is obviously the reference point that we would, I think most people would look at. International contract sales were about 12% of our total. And the breakdown of that was call it 5% -- five points under 12. We're inbound in North America from both Asia, Latin America and some Europe. And about seven points or 7% of that was from international contract sales that were originated in the region in our sales centers either in Asia Pacific or in Europe. So that's, kind of, where it was. I think you can expect that while travel has reopened or become available to reopen back to the United States, et cetera. It will be a little herky-jerky I think in terms of how quickly it comes back. You lay that against the fact that again we're running better than 85% occupancy system-wide in North America in particular, it's not an overwhelming amount of activity available or occupancy available to use, but we think it will come back. I would – my personal opinion is Latin America may come back faster than Europe and that would be in turn faster than what you see in Asia Pacific ex-Japan. I think Japan, once Japan opens up I think they like to travel a lot, and I think you could see more of that each balance.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thanks to you. Very helpful. And then the follow-up is, we hear a lot in the broader hospitality industry, right, about rising labor costs and availability of labor. And, obviously, you guys are in a different structure with the commission for most of your -- for big chunkier your base. So, are you seeing any challenges on the labor front availability or any kind of cost pressure outside of that?

Steve Weisz

Management

Well, I mean, clearly, we're -- I wish I could tell you we were insulated from the industry experience. I think the number I saw were 1.6 million hospitality jobs were open at last count not obviously just with us, but across the industry. We do have -- and we see it particularly in our resort operations group where we struggle at times to fill positions maybe to a slightly lesser degree even in our sales and marketing team. I think we're about 85% of our typical pre-COVID sales executives. Now the good news is that our tour parties down, because we have moved away from OPC activities and the linkage stuff is down, call it, we think next year will maybe be 50% of what we typically run in linkage. None of that is particularly bad news. It's just a matter of as we -- as COVID is affect things, it caused us to go back and look at where we want to put our resources in terms of tour generation, et cetera. But -- and fairly clearly there are some cost pressures. I mean, wage rates are up. Now in the resort environment in their operations that's -- those costs are passed on to owners by virtue of their maintenance fee. And the good news is while in the short-term, you might say, well, that's obviously causing latency to go up, they do have some excess capacity, because of some of the lower cost that those resorts ran during low occupancy in 2020 that remain on their balance sheet. So they could absorb that for a while. In the sales and marketing side, we cover that dollar for dollar. And again, we have to make sure that we are finding the right kind of efficiencies to offset those and get some sort of additional pass-through in terms of our cost per point, et cetera. But I mean, it's not a great situation. And if anybody is in the hospitality business and says that it is. I think they're misleading you, but we're working our way through it. And the great news is that our owner satisfaction levels that we've been measuring are very high and continue to go up on a month-over-month basis. So I think most people understand it and they're contacting with the job that we're doing.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Super helpful. Appreciate all the details. Thanks guys.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thank you.

John Geller

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Brandt Montour with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Brandt Montour

Analyst

Hey, good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my questions.

Steve Weisz

Management

Good morning.

John Geller

Management

Good morning.

Brandt Montour

Analyst

So just quickly and I apologize if you said this or if I could have inferred this from the release, but would you have been above 3Q 2019 EBITDA this quarter excluding Welk was that in there?

Tony Terry

Analyst

Yes. I talked to the numbers, I think, we would have been maybe $2 million below, $3 million below 2019 if you exclude the $18 million from Welk…

Brandt Montour

Analyst

Got it. Essentially, okay. That's great. And then -- I’m sorry.

Tony Terry

Analyst

Yes. Essentially on 19 just a couple of million below.

Brandt Montour

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Great. Thanks. And then Steve or John or anyone. Just wondering if you had any updated thoughts on VPG into next year? I know you're not going to give guidance, but I was hoping we could just talk about it more qualitatively breaking DPG apart into the two major components. And how you see trends or at least the underlying trends for those two drivers going. I mean we're all trying to figure out sort of what the -- how sustainable the consumer spend at these levels is. But with VPG specifically, is there anything structurally that makes you think that you will settle longer term above 2019 levels in VPG?

Steve Weisz

Management

Yeah, I actually think we will and particularly in 2022, while 30% comparative to 2019, it's a little bit difficult to continue to hold that because what happens is as your first-time buyer VP -- the first-time buyer percentage of tours goes up, which we would expect to see some in 2022, you're going to see some -- because they typically have a lower VPG number than your owners have just the risk I could tell you that the VPG number will come down. However, I mean we have made a strategic decision that we've stepped away from anything that's at least not except for we're in Hawaii anything OPC. So we won't be going back there unless something were to dramatically change. As I mentioned, I think lengthy tours will probably be 50% of what we saw in 2019. Typically, lengthy tours have a tendency to carry a lower VPG as well. So, I would expect that for next year and for probably several years or after the VPG number will continue to remain very strong, percentage increase number may change over time. But I think -- I don't think we're going to see going back to the 2019 numbers in the foreseeable future.

Brandt Montour

Analyst

Excellent. Thanks again.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I'll turn the call over to Steve Weisz for closing remarks.

Steve Weisz

Management

Thank you, Rob and thank you everyone for joining our call today. Despite the delta variant, we delivered another strong quarter validating the resiliency of our leader focused business model. Contract sales in the third quarter were rally back to pre-pandemic levels. New owners are coming into the system and VPG is holding well above 2019 levels enabling us to deliver our highest adjusted EBITDA margin since we began a stand-alone public company. Our exchange and third-party management segment Interval signed a number of new customers including El Cid resorts that in total will add nearly 50,000 new members in 2022. We're investing in technology initiatives to drive growth and expand margins, while also deleveraging the balance sheet in the past few months and our Board of Directors authorized a new share repurchase program and reinstated our quarterly dividend, enabling us to again return excess cash to shareholders. It's been an amazing 10-years with new businesses, brands, customers and associates all contributing to today's milestone. And yet I believe our best days are still in front of us. In fact, if the past 18 months have proven anything, it's the people always want to go on vacation and that's the only business we're in. As always, thank you for your interest, take care of yourself and filing to everyone on the call and your families stay safe and enjoy your next vacation. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Have a wonderful day.