Martine Rothblatt
Analyst · JPMorgan
Those are great answers. Jess, one just additional shade of color I could add on top of Mike's remarks with regard to your question as to what kind of parameters can I provide to provide greater assurance about the doubling of revenues by the end of '25 is the uptake of Tyvaso DPI has been dramatic. And as Mike mentioned, he provided some metrics, for example, the very high number of selexipag prescribers who have not previously prescribed on Tyvaso now prescribing Tyvaso DPI. So when we achieve the doubling of our patients on Tyvaso over a period of just 18 months, I can't really overemphasize what an important metric that is. Just to give you kind of a sense, Tyvaso was approved 10 years ago. So it took like 10 years to get up to a certain level of patient penetration for this drug and then in under two years, it doubles. I mean that's -- it's an unmistakable sign in addition to the steps that Mike shared with you that this product is going to penetrate very, very rapidly. Now while one might think that in an area such as PH Group III, which has been penetrated by no pulmonary hypertension medicines like, oh, these are all just like people dying of thirst and just going to just slap up this new medicine right away, the reality in a disease like pulmonary hypertension is that it just doesn't happen like that. Instead, it's a very kind of blocking and tackling exercise of physician by physician, center by center working through all of the rigorous of talking to the right payers and getting the payers to understand the right procedures and going through all the procedures and the pre-approval, diagnoses, requirements, the catheterizations and all of these things. So while we did create like special teams focused on PH Group III before we launched into that indication, in the field of pulmonary hypertension, one year of kind of preparation is sort of like nothing compared to how much activity is needed to build a bulk of patients. So now that one year is more than two years behind us, we've now had a year of actual practice, okay, you can actually put these patients on medicines. As Mike referred to, the payer aspects, especially with regard to Medicare, we're just very, very recently resolved favorably in our direction. And so the -- it's just you have to like first have not just one year and not just like there wasn't like a waiting bolus of patients in Group III just waiting for a launch, you have to like develop this market and really kind of till the soil for a number of years. We've now done that, and we're experienced in those clinics and it's this reason why we think out of those 30,000 PH Group III patients. Fortunately, none of them have been touched by pulmonary hypertension treatment that we can rapidly grow our numbers of patients at the same rate that we've been growing them for the past year with this doubling of the number of patients on Tyvaso and thereby reach a number of total treprostinil patients, something that would be in the 20,000 that would correlate when you multiply that times the reimbursement per patient to the $4 billion per year. And of course, it's important. In addition to this, not to be losing revenue from Remodulin or Orenitram. But not only are we not losing revenue, we're solidifying our hold on the Remodulin revenues as Mike referred to the very rapid penetration that the Remunity pump has made and we're growing our revenues in Remodulin -- in Orenitram as a result of the EXPEDITE study that Mike described. So we feel that doubling revenues in three years is really a very doable too. Operator, next question, please?