Martine Rothblatt
Management
Thanks so much, Mike. Andreas, with regard to the next thing that you might hear about, it's I think that there is a pretty good likelihood that there will be some sort of an announcement, and again, knock on wood and cross my fingers, Mr. David Bennett Sr. continues to do well at the 90-day and the 6-months mark. And the reason I call those out is when the FDA looks at clinical transplantation milestones, they put a lot of emphasis on sort of like two weeks, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days and maybe one year. And we know this because one of our Phase III trials, for example, which relates to the over 200 lives we've saved with our Lung Bioengineering technology relates to getting clinical FDA approval for our second Lung Bioengineering technology, which is in its wrapping up its last couple of patients of its Phase III trial. And with this type of technology, which is kind of techno speak, it's called ex-vivo lung perfusion technology. The FDA wants to see that the patients who are on our Lung Bioengineering technology do as well at two weeks, four weeks, three months, six months, et cetera, as the patients who don't have the advantage of a Lung Bioengineering technology. So that same kind of milestone metrics, I think, are going to apply in the xeno context. And our goal would be to show that our xenograft patients, of course, separately for kidneys and hearts, do as well at two weeks, four weeks, three months, six months and the year as would patients who are otherwise similarly matched but have allografts. Now depending on the organ, the slope is pretty severe, even with something that has been done for decades, like allo heart transplants, you're looking at 80% to 90% survival at one year, which depending on -- if you are looking at the glass half full or half empty, it's like amazing, these lives were saved. But oh my god, can't we do better and not lose 10% to 20% of the people. And for things like lungs, for example, unfortunately, the curve is worse; for kidneys, it's better. Another advantage with kidneys is you can always back up to have the patient on dialysis. So that's an advantage, a huge advantage for xeno is that there's pretty much consensus agreement around the experts in the fields that people who are -- who have rejected a previous kidney transplant and have a lot of reactive antibodies in their blood that those do not cross-react with xeno antigens. So a person who has already had a kidney transplant would have a much, much tougher climb to try to get another kidney transplant but would not likely have the same aggressive reaction to another allotransplant as -- I mean, to another xenotransplant as they would have had a very aggressive reaction to another allotransplant. So that's kind of a favorable patient category. There's also about 80% of the people who are on dialysis in the U.S. who do not even qualify to be on the kidney transplant list. So that's another huge patient population. Then there are patients who have been on dialysis for so long that they have actually pretty much run out of access ports in their body for dialysis, and that becomes increasingly problematic for those patients. So there are just many, many different opportunities to insert xenotransplantation into the transplant paradigm. And we are going to do it, and we're going to follow the same clinical milestones that you've seen. The FDA previously required such as two weeks, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, et cetera, as for allotransplantation. While I see that we're at the half-hour market -- half-hour mark here. So thank you, Andreas, very much for your questions. Thanks, everybody. Operator -- or thank you, Dewey. And do you want me to turn it back to you or to the operator?