Michael Benkowitz
Analyst · Hartaj Singh with Oppenheimer & Company
Yes. Happy to do that. Yes. So I think with Orenitram, I think you have to kind of, again, kind of step back and look at the timing of the launch and kind of where that kind of fit with COVID, right? So I will say, at a high level, I think as a company, we continue to be very pleased with the physician reaction to the EV data. I think our underlying patient trends continue to be very solid. And I would say, in particular, I think, in late Q1 and even heading into Q2, if you look at referrals and starts, we've seen actually a nice uptick over the prior months. I will say, I mean, hindsight to 2020, as I kind of look back over the last 18 months and think about when we received the label expansion, which was October of 2019, when the publication came out, which was in March, like literally two days, I think, before the world shut down, to your point, Hartaj, we did see a nice uptick in that kind of initial 4 to 6-month period. And then it did get sort of muted. So we had a nice ramp and then it just kind of plateaued a little bit there for a little while. And I think, obviously, as I look at it, I think it's a function of kind of COVID shutting down, the lack of access that we had to physicians and just impacting our ability to really kind of get out and continue to communicate the EV data. I mean we certainly had some access during COVID virtually, but nowhere near the axis that we had pre-COVID. So I think that we're starting to come out of this a little bit. We're getting that access again. We're able to get in and have really, I think, fruitful discussions with physicians and really kind of talk about the Orenitram value proposition. I think the doctors are seeing that. And like I said, I think we're starting to see that uptick. And so I think as we look into the future, I think, long-term, as Martine said, I think we do have a lot of runway there with Orenitram as we continue to educate the physicians on the value proposition. I also think with some of the data that we've talked about in prior calls around this idea of treating patients to pressure. So putting - starting them on Remodulin, really trying to drive down their pulmonary arterial pressure and then switching them over to Orenitram, I think that is continuing to get a little bit of - certainly a lot of attention by physicians. And I think over the long-term, that's going to give us, I think, another - sort of another leverage point with Orenitram. And then I think the third one that we see in sort of the latter half of the 25/25 plan that Martine laid out is OreniPro, the once daily. So that provides, as we're talking about Tyvaso, a more convenient way to take Orenitram and potentially with a better tolerability and an ability to dose faster. So maybe some additional attributes there. So I think it's really sort of a combination of building on and restarting - build on the momentum we've seen in the last quarter and continuing to leverage the EV data, leverage this treat to pressure idea that's getting some attention and then the once-daily formulation that's coming in kind of the back end of the 25/25 time frame.